A bit of FUD here I think - unless I read TFA wrong, the entire thing is under investigation and no one is saying anything for at least a month. The autopilot apparently sensed the need for more thrust and warned the pilots of this. It might be premature to say that a software problem is the likely cause of failure...
I am a computer salesman and I do not work on commission. I love it that way - the pressure is off me to line my pockets at the expense of others, and I get to help people pick a machine that is really right for them.
Why mod this down? I rarely put on the tinfoil hat, but they can have an awful lot of data for people who choose to use many/all of their services. It is an aggregate of many people's lives. Not saying that they are doing it, but the guy deserves more than a -1 for his thoughts.
I in turn agree with your arguments. It wasn't stated what position she would hold - however I believe that most of us assume that a programming position in a bank does entail a high degree of sensitivity. I do agree with the transparency statement, particularly if the employer/employee relationship dissolves.
While we have changed the laws recently on visiting our border countries/the Caribbean and more people will be required to have a passport to visit them, I don't see having nearly the percentage of passport holders that the EU has any time soon. Driver's licenses are still too easy to fake to have this be the sole verifiable identity document for a position such as this, hence my argument for fingerprinting.
Yes I know of their purpose. Do you know what they do? Contrary to your supposition, the FDIC is not funded by some inexhaustible slush fund, but ultimately through taxpayer contributions, of which I am one. Pardon me if I do not want my tax money squandered in this fashion (which it wouldn't be anyway - see below). In addition, there is a $100,000 limit on what the FDIC will protect against, per depositor, in the cases that they DO provide protection against. What if they take more than that out of your account?
This entire point is moot anyway - please reference the following:
What is the Purpose of FDIC Deposit Insurance? The FDIC protects depositors' funds in the unlikely event of the financial failure of their bank or institution.
Likewise, the NCUA also has insurance to ward off the possibility of branch failure, not inside jobs.
While it can be assumed that the banks/credit unions would attempt to make good on any funds stolen, this is not a guarantee, and the money to replenish the missing funds would come from somewhere, correct?
There are indeed ways to check criminal backgrounds without fingerprints. For some sensitive jobs, this is an added step in the verification process, and rightly so IMO. Do you have a problem with police officers or teachers being subjected to this as well? All of these positions have a grave responsibility with the potential for ripe abuse that can harm others. While fingerprinting and the matching of such against the NCIC does not guard against the possibility of future crimes, it does aid in an informed decision of whether the job applicant is of good enough character to hold the sensitive position in question (forgive the run on sentence).
Why you brought drugs into this discussion is beyond me. Perhaps you should stop taking them before you post again.
Your argument has some merit, but approximately 20% of the US populace has a passport. Now what? No offense, but discussing someone who has access to commonly accepted sensitive data and the ability to use it for malicious purposes (either financial, medical or law enforcement), I expect better precautions. As also noted elsewhere in this discussion, we have provisions for name and social security number changes in the US (as I am sure is also the case in the EU), which detracts from your identity proposal. Fingerprints are one way to be somewhat sure that the person's record is verifiable and traceable.
With that said, I am as adverse to abuse of this practice as any other/.er. But some jobs demand more scrutiny than others.
I am not sure what happens to them. Perhaps they retain the fingerprints in case the employee later decides to commit bank fraud, which is a Federal crime and does damage to other people? With all due respect to your "freedom is dead" stance, I am quite comfortable with an institution retaining fingerprints of anyone who handles "my" money.
I have no problem with the same requirement being imposed upon myself. Good thing too, since I used to work in IT for a financial institution and had access to their servers, clients and data center. Are my fingerprints sitting fallow somewhere years later? Probably - I haven't given it much thought and don't plan to.
Sorry if you don't like it, but some jobs necessitate this level of scrunity, as others have mentioned.
I honestly hate to come in on the side of corporations, but I fail to see how your company's way was "smarter". If the background does not come back as they expect it to, they then have an employee who cannot fulfill the requirements of the job posting as the employer laid it out, (and after all, it is their job to give, so they get to make up the requirements). In addition, now there is a question of honesty looming over the new employee's head.
So the employer has now wasted time and money on someone who they would rather let go, but now will find difficult to because of unemployment insurance, possible lawsuits, etc. Best to weed out a bad fit before they are hired if at all possible.
I tend to agree with my anonymous colleague. I am sorry to hear that the submitter of this story is alarmed (OK, in truth I am only sorry that the submitter doesn't see the good sense in this practice), but if your sister is going for a position where she has the potential to alter bank records, install backdoors into financial systems, divert funds, etc, then I think that a fingerprint check is totally justified. Good old fashion horse sense and prudence has to be maintained in with some types of jobs, and this is one of them.
It would be awesome to see a B-52 take off from an aircraft carrier. Let me know when they are able to accomplish it, since the takeoff distance needed for a B-52 without weapons loaded onboard is about 2,000 feet:) (and the typical carrier today is 1100 feet).
Why should any editorializing in the spam report matter, as long as you have the info you need? Why should you be nice to the clerk handing you your Happy Meal? A) Because it is the karmic thing to do, and B) so they don't spit in your burger before handing it to you.
Nope, they haven't. It is likely that they can't release it either. ISPs who get requests from governments of countries they operate in usually can't ever publicly reveal the reasons for it. I know this because I used to work in one and got requests like this all the time. We would honor requests from Europe as well as the US because we had offices there. Usually the site owner knows why they got "magically" shut off. Oftentimes they will leave the site up until the governmental agency says it is OK to shut it down. This is so the federales have a chance to move in on the perp without spooking them into running first.
PS - of all the cases I worked on, I never morally felt bad about any of them, or felt like I was impeding on anyone's freedom of expression. They were all bank fraud/phishing or kiddie porn cases. Some may differ here on/. , but I sleep well at night knowing that I helped get some nasty people off the street.
PPS - the above comments are not directed at cryptome specifically, but more of a general overview and my feelings on it.
Er, I see four listings there. While not anything to be proud of (there shouldn't be any), I imagine most other large hosting companies have at least that number.
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Undoing troll mod on this - damn this new mod system...
I didn't think Apple hardware was all that bad...
They seem to have a bit more software these days as well.
A bit of FUD here I think - unless I read TFA wrong, the entire thing is under investigation and no one is saying anything for at least a month. The autopilot apparently sensed the need for more thrust and warned the pilots of this. It might be premature to say that a software problem is the likely cause of failure...
Someone who reads /. but is not willing to have broadband in their home? I guess there is a first for everything...
I am a computer salesman and I do not work on commission. I love it that way - the pressure is off me to line my pockets at the expense of others, and I get to help people pick a machine that is really right for them.
To be immortalized thusly..
Why mod this down? I rarely put on the tinfoil hat, but they can have an awful lot of data for people who choose to use many/all of their services. It is an aggregate of many people's lives. Not saying that they are doing it, but the guy deserves more than a -1 for his thoughts.
Apparently not indeed, but I pray that Bush is the most glaring exception to the rule that we will see in a long, long time.
I in turn agree with your arguments. It wasn't stated what position she would hold - however I believe that most of us assume that a programming position in a bank does entail a high degree of sensitivity. I do agree with the transparency statement, particularly if the employer/employee relationship dissolves.
While we have changed the laws recently on visiting our border countries/the Caribbean and more people will be required to have a passport to visit them, I don't see having nearly the percentage of passport holders that the EU has any time soon. Driver's licenses are still too easy to fake to have this be the sole verifiable identity document for a position such as this, hence my argument for fingerprinting.
Yes I know of their purpose. Do you know what they do? Contrary to your supposition, the FDIC is not funded by some inexhaustible slush fund, but ultimately through taxpayer contributions, of which I am one. Pardon me if I do not want my tax money squandered in this fashion (which it wouldn't be anyway - see below). In addition, there is a $100,000 limit on what the FDIC will protect against, per depositor, in the cases that they DO provide protection against. What if they take more than that out of your account?
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This entire point is moot anyway - please reference the following:
What is the Purpose of FDIC Deposit Insurance?
The FDIC protects depositors' funds in the unlikely event of the financial failure of their bank or institution.
http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/deposit/faqs
which has nothing to do with inside bank fraud.
Likewise, the NCUA also has insurance to ward off the possibility of branch failure, not inside jobs.
While it can be assumed that the banks/credit unions would attempt to make good on any funds stolen, this is not a guarantee, and the money to replenish the missing funds would come from somewhere, correct?
There are indeed ways to check criminal backgrounds without fingerprints. For some sensitive jobs, this is an added step in the verification process, and rightly so IMO. Do you have a problem with police officers or teachers being subjected to this as well? All of these positions have a grave responsibility with the potential for ripe abuse that can harm others. While fingerprinting and the matching of such against the NCIC does not guard against the possibility of future crimes, it does aid in an informed decision of whether the job applicant is of good enough character to hold the sensitive position in question (forgive the run on sentence).
Why you brought drugs into this discussion is beyond me. Perhaps you should stop taking them before you post again.
Your argument has some merit, but approximately 20% of the US populace has a passport. Now what? No offense, but discussing someone who has access to commonly accepted sensitive data and the ability to use it for malicious purposes (either financial, medical or law enforcement), I expect better precautions. As also noted elsewhere in this discussion, we have provisions for name and social security number changes in the US (as I am sure is also the case in the EU), which detracts from your identity proposal. Fingerprints are one way to be somewhat sure that the person's record is verifiable and traceable.
/.er. But some jobs demand more scrutiny than others.
With that said, I am as adverse to abuse of this practice as any other
I am not sure what happens to them. Perhaps they retain the fingerprints in case the employee later decides to commit bank fraud, which is a Federal crime and does damage to other people? With all due respect to your "freedom is dead" stance, I am quite comfortable with an institution retaining fingerprints of anyone who handles "my" money.
I have no problem with the same requirement being imposed upon myself. Good thing too, since I used to work in IT for a financial institution and had access to their servers, clients and data center. Are my fingerprints sitting fallow somewhere years later? Probably - I haven't given it much thought and don't plan to.
Sorry if you don't like it, but some jobs necessitate this level of scrunity, as others have mentioned.
I honestly hate to come in on the side of corporations, but I fail to see how your company's way was "smarter". If the background does not come back as they expect it to, they then have an employee who cannot fulfill the requirements of the job posting as the employer laid it out, (and after all, it is their job to give, so they get to make up the requirements). In addition, now there is a question of honesty looming over the new employee's head.
So the employer has now wasted time and money on someone who they would rather let go, but now will find difficult to because of unemployment insurance, possible lawsuits, etc. Best to weed out a bad fit before they are hired if at all possible.
I tend to agree with my anonymous colleague. I am sorry to hear that the submitter of this story is alarmed (OK, in truth I am only sorry that the submitter doesn't see the good sense in this practice), but if your sister is going for a position where she has the potential to alter bank records, install backdoors into financial systems, divert funds, etc, then I think that a fingerprint check is totally justified. Good old fashion horse sense and prudence has to be maintained in with some types of jobs, and this is one of them.
It would be awesome to see a B-52 take off from an aircraft carrier. Let me know when they are able to accomplish it, since the takeoff distance needed for a B-52 without weapons loaded onboard is about 2,000 feet :) (and the typical carrier today is 1100 feet).
Nope, they haven't. It is likely that they can't release it either. ISPs who get requests from governments of countries they operate in usually can't ever publicly reveal the reasons for it. I know this because I used to work in one and got requests like this all the time. We would honor requests from Europe as well as the US because we had offices there. Usually the site owner knows why they got "magically" shut off. Oftentimes they will leave the site up until the governmental agency says it is OK to shut it down. This is so the federales have a chance to move in on the perp without spooking them into running first.
/. , but I sleep well at night knowing that I helped get some nasty people off the street.
PS - of all the cases I worked on, I never morally felt bad about any of them, or felt like I was impeding on anyone's freedom of expression. They were all bank fraud/phishing or kiddie porn cases. Some may differ here on
PPS - the above comments are not directed at cryptome specifically, but more of a general overview and my feelings on it.
*giggle* - I haven't heard that in a long time, and I'm not sure if I ever read it in print. Thought you were squawking gibberish for a second.
Er, I see four listings there. While not anything to be proud of (there shouldn't be any), I imagine most other large hosting companies have at least that number.
Well said.
+1 funny
+1 hopeful
I imagine they were off reading this wildly uninteresting and uninformative story, like I was. Thirty seconds of my life I'll never get back :(
Believe it or not, it is true. If you win a car in a church raffle in the US, you must pay applicable taxes on the prize. Sucks, but it's the truth :(
Bah - water is for little girls! THIS is what all radio stations should be sponsoring - go go corporate responsibility!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Bowl
It can't help but raise the sea level. How much is another question...