Sure ZTE can. It can ship phones with anything they like. The US DoJ/FTC is not going to go to China and arrest anyone for copyright infringement. Is the US going to sink Chinese ships carrying ZTE phones on the way to NK, Iran, etc because they 'pirated' Google apps? I don't think so.
Hell, as big a market as China is, Google and many other Silicon Valley giants could decide to relocate and become Chinese companies themselves, drop services/sales to Western nations, and end up with a larger market and more money in the long run as the US keeps sinking into decline and irrelevance on the world stage.
Politicians just can't wrap their heads around cause and effect.
No, actually, they understand it very well.
They pander and grandstand, do 'favors' for their contributors/lobbyists/cronies, tell blatant lies to the public, exempt themselves from laws we must obey while enriching themselves, and the effect is that the idiots keep reelecting them again and again.
I don't know, but you could ask around. I heard this guy named 'Robby' is pretty smart, and can whip up batches of whiskey quickly as well. I think he works as a PA for some eccentric dude and his daughter that the father has has jealousy and possessiveness issues with.
Damn straight. The Founding Fathers built America without the Internet. Sure, the used slaves to do it, but they didn't have the Internet.
By total numbers, Irish slaves far outnumbered African slaves. Irish slaves were cheaper, African slaves were much more valuable.
Also, the very first legal owner of a slave in the US, and who fought through King Henry's Colonial Courts (America didn't make it's own laws when slavery was established legally) to establish slavery as officially & legally recognized as legitimate, was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
Slavery in America was established nearly a century before the Founding Fathers were even born. That's like blaming Obama and the Clintons for WW2 Japanese-American internment camps.
Thomas Jefferson, one of the primary authors of the US Constitution, never bought nor sold any slaves. He ended up with slaves from his deceased in-laws and simply took care of them and didn't break up their families, as freeing slaves was at the time a hanging offense. It was the best he could do for them at that time.
[A great new source of government income]...fine (issue penalties) to people for paying late!
To be fair, April 15th is the cutoff date for filing return forms and any other appropriate forms along with any taxes owed (besides any you're filing proper forms to defer). It's not like April 15th is a surprise or that there is not adequate time. According to the law it's the taxpayer's responsibility to make certain the required forms are filed and any taxes due are paid on time. I'm pretty sure the ToS on the IRS "Direct Pay" web page says, in so many boilerplate words, essentially the same thing and that 100% service up-time is not guaranteed.
This was designed as a convenience, not as a way to perform as a 'Hail Mary play', last-minute, guaranteed way to save yourself from your own irresponsibility, stupidity, and procrastination.
But assisting with government domestic mass-surveillance and data-mining is A-OK.
"We promise we won't help attack anyone, we'll only help governments oppress their domestic populations, the US government's domestic surveillance of the US population being at the top of the list."
Some time this year ships have to switch from bunker oil to #2 fuel oil (diesel).
Bad news if you drive a diesel car.
Makes me wonder what will happen to bunker oil from now on.
Bunker oil will begin to replace traditional "fracking" fluids. That would certainly cause blood to shoot from the eyes of more than a few environmentalists.:D
even if I find out I have no recourse other than throwing away my device and going back to a normal PC where I can install proper, non key escrow encryption software.
That doesn't help at all if backdoors are baked into the silicon of your CPU, BIOS, etc.
But, no worries, mate! I've got you covered!
I've got an old 64-bit SGI Octane with IRIX UNIX installed (complete with the latest then-current Netscape Navigator browser!!) & matching monitor I'll give you a good price on if you pay shipping!:D (combined weight in the near-100lb/45kg range!!)
I'd call them more incompetent than anything else. They received tips about the Florida school shooter including his name and what he was going to do and they did nothing. Typical big government.
After the "Fast & Furious" fiasco where the ATF were attempting to illegally allow straw-purchasers from Mexican drug cartels to buy and smuggle US weapons into Mexico to "give ammo" to the gun-control lobby, it would not surprise me at all to learn of covert 'stand-down' orders regarding the Parkland shooter (especially considering the bizarre behavior/non-action of LEOs at the scene on top of a plethora of ignored warnings beforehand), and authorities at high levels in government responsible for deliberately and intentionally allowing those children to die to advance the gun-control agenda.
It's strange, because gun-related homicides over the last 25 years are down over 50% and gun violence victimization is down over 75%. School shootings are also way down, with the '90s being the worst.
The US government is rapidly coming to more-resemble a hostile occupying force than a peaceful domestic government in place by the will of the people it governs.
The very structure of the corporate enterprise is legally obliged to deliver profits to the shareholders above all other concerns.
For "shareholders", read "owners".
And I'm curious - would you invest in a company that promised to never deliver any kind of return for the money you invested? If not, why not?
Exactly. Corporations are simply people pooling their resources in order to produce or provide a product or service for a profit.
Where I found their reasoning going awry was here:
The internet's original sin, as these programmers and investors and CEOs make clear, was its business model. To keep the internet free -- while becoming richer, faster, than anyone in history -- the technological elite needed something to attract billions of users to the ads they were selling. And that something, it turns out, was outrage.
No, "outrage" was simply a byproduct and result.
What the internet did was both inform people without the filters of the MSM and allow like-minded folks to find each other and organize. The "outrage" came in when people started finding out how much they've been screwed and blatantly lied to by both the government and megacorps, and that who both break the law with impunity and violate pretty much every civil right that exists daily and continue to do so even after being caught multiple times.
The US has pretty much become a "banana republic" in that there is no "rule of law" any longer. The powerful and wealthy are above the laws that would see you or I sentenced to long prison terms if we were to violate the same laws in the same way as they do and have long done. Both (R) & (D) establishment are sick, corrupt jokes that would make for a great Netflix parody series if it were not for the fact the fate of so many lives and suffering hang in the balance.
I believe his question is trying to get across the idea "what not build them inside cities". The answer would be cost per square foot of land is still higher in cities.
That and most importantly, the smell. I don't care what sort of farming you do, if you're raising plants and/or animals, even with hydroponics, etc, there's going to be smells that city-folk may object to. Even were it economically-viable, you won't see them on Park Ave., in the 'nice' parts of Marha's Vineyard, or on Rodeo Dr. and anyplace else whee those with money, fame, and power reside anytime in the foreseeable future.
Building such vertical farms in historically DNC/Progressive strongholds like Chicago and Detroit would require budgeting-in additional expenses for 24/7/365 armed security on-site or they'll come back the next day to find the building's wiring and plumbing gutted by meth-head copper/aluminum thieves and the remains of the gutted building being used as a dope & whore-house by street gangs.
If someone could make a reliable mesh system using lasers, this would allow some type of interconnected ad-hoc network to exist without having to have a dedicated ISP.
Good luck with that.
The US government would never permit the existence in the US of any communications network they did not control and could not collect bulk surveillance data on and trace/track any and every user at will. Authoritarian regimes don't operate like that.
After all, one does not allow their livestock/slaves the tools to be able to communicate securely and organize to free themselves.
Further, apps and services like this simply cannot exist without a bit of a safe-harbor.
That's the real goal here, potential copyright infringement is justification, a 'cover-story'.
Neither the US, Russia, UK, nor many other Western & Eastern/Middle-Eastern governments want their populations to have access to secure communication tools to enable the masses to conveniently communicate securely enough that it makes it difficult, labor-intensive, and time-consuming to do domestic intelligence operations within and data-collection and monitoring upon.
You don't allow the livestock/slaves the tools to organize to achieve freedom like a secure way to communicate.
This is entirely between the content owners and Telegram.
Should you be arrested because you might commit a crime? That's what you're describing.
You're missing the bigger picture, here.
This is not about "pirated" content at all. That's simply being used as justification.
This is about suppressing an encrypted communications channel that certain state actors including the US are fundamentally opposed to their populations having access to.
You don't allow your slaves the ability to communicate securely to enable them to organize to throw off their chains.
Well, at least for the latter it is. Freedom of religion actually means that I may choose to not participate in a mass delusion.
It also and equally means that you cannot attempt to restrict other's religious beliefs and practices that fall within lawful bounds (i.e. doesn't incite violence, etc).
It also means that religion is not banished from the public square, as that would make such a society an Atheist Theocracy, another belief system no different than Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc etc as they all are based on faith in an unprovable belief.
It's about belief systems and the ideas and concepts that they embrace at the heart of it. Religions, ideologies, political constructs like communism, fascism, socialism, capitalism...they are all simply belief systems centered around certain ideas.
It could also be described as "Freedom Of Ideas".
To mangle a famous quote;
"Beware he who would restrict your ideas (speech) and deny your access to that of others, for in his heart, he dreams himself your Master."
I for one can't wait until the politicians who approved this bill have users post links "illegal" sites and they get hauled off to jail.
Nah, lawmakers will make certain there's an exemption for those in power just like the exemptions Congress has to "insider trading" laws so that they may enrich themselves via their foreknowledge regarding new laws, Acts. and actions of the government that affect stock prices.
I wonder how many people are checking to see if anyone in Congress has a softball game scheduled?
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Because the US bankrolling Europe is something that would fly with any politician in the US regardless of side?
Obviously so or it wouldn't have gone on for the last ~60+ years.
Did you have a point other than the one under your hat?
Strat
Dear America,
Fix your fucking healthcare system.
Sincerely,
The civilised world.
Dear Europe (and much of the rest of the "civilized" West),
Please start paying for your own national defense, the nuclear arsenals, standing armies, air forces, navies, etc to match Russia and China.
Then we can talk about us spending that money we currently spend to protect YOUR asses on healthcare instead.
The US is bankrolling your 'free' healthcare.
Just say "thank you" and STFU, 'mkay?
Strat
They can't ship with Google apps installed
Sure ZTE can. It can ship phones with anything they like. The US DoJ/FTC is not going to go to China and arrest anyone for copyright infringement. Is the US going to sink Chinese ships carrying ZTE phones on the way to NK, Iran, etc because they 'pirated' Google apps? I don't think so.
Hell, as big a market as China is, Google and many other Silicon Valley giants could decide to relocate and become Chinese companies themselves, drop services/sales to Western nations, and end up with a larger market and more money in the long run as the US keeps sinking into decline and irrelevance on the world stage.
Strat.
Politicians just can't wrap their heads around cause and effect.
No, actually, they understand it very well.
They pander and grandstand, do 'favors' for their contributors/lobbyists/cronies, tell blatant lies to the public, exempt themselves from laws we must obey while enriching themselves, and the effect is that the idiots keep reelecting them again and again.
Because otherwise the wrong lizard might get in.
Strat
Oops, yep that was me.
Started to post AC and thought I'd unchecked the box.
Strat
Could that planet be... Forbidden?
I don't know, but you could ask around. I heard this guy named 'Robby' is pretty smart, and can whip up batches of whiskey quickly as well. I think he works as a PA for some eccentric dude and his daughter that the father has has jealousy and possessiveness issues with.
Strat
Damn straight. The Founding Fathers built America without the Internet. Sure, the used slaves to do it, but they didn't have the Internet.
By total numbers, Irish slaves far outnumbered African slaves. Irish slaves were cheaper, African slaves were much more valuable.
Also, the very first legal owner of a slave in the US, and who fought through King Henry's Colonial Courts (America didn't make it's own laws when slavery was established legally) to establish slavery as officially & legally recognized as legitimate, was a black man named Anthony Johnson.
Slavery in America was established nearly a century before the Founding Fathers were even born. That's like blaming Obama and the Clintons for WW2 Japanese-American internment camps.
Thomas Jefferson, one of the primary authors of the US Constitution, never bought nor sold any slaves. He ended up with slaves from his deceased in-laws and simply took care of them and didn't break up their families, as freeing slaves was at the time a hanging offense. It was the best he could do for them at that time.
Strat
[A great new source of government income]...fine (issue penalties) to people for paying late!
To be fair, April 15th is the cutoff date for filing return forms and any other appropriate forms along with any taxes owed (besides any you're filing proper forms to defer). It's not like April 15th is a surprise or that there is not adequate time. According to the law it's the taxpayer's responsibility to make certain the required forms are filed and any taxes due are paid on time. I'm pretty sure the ToS on the IRS "Direct Pay" web page says, in so many boilerplate words, essentially the same thing and that 100% service up-time is not guaranteed.
This was designed as a convenience, not as a way to perform as a 'Hail Mary play', last-minute, guaranteed way to save yourself from your own irresponsibility, stupidity, and procrastination.
Strat
But assisting with government domestic mass-surveillance and data-mining is A-OK.
"We promise we won't help attack anyone, we'll only help governments oppress their domestic populations, the US government's domestic surveillance of the US population being at the top of the list."
With "friends" like these, who needs enemas?
Strat
Some time this year ships have to switch from bunker oil to #2 fuel oil (diesel).
Bad news if you drive a diesel car.
Makes me wonder what will happen to bunker oil from now on.
Bunker oil will begin to replace traditional "fracking" fluids. That would certainly cause blood to shoot from the eyes of more than a few environmentalists. :D
Strat
Yeah, because Putin is clearly one of the world's leading Progressivists.
Exactly. Spot-on.
Kind of like stating that water is wet, though.
So, what was your point?
Strat
When Russian security services ban your product because encryption too good, isn't that like seal of approval for the encryption?
Yeah, it's sort of like; "Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce."
Now, where have I heard that before?
Strat
Machiavelli once stated, "the masses are ignorant." Sadly, we still are.
Who cares what some ancient old Italian race-car driver dude said? Ain't he dead? /s
Strat :)
even if I find out I have no recourse other than throwing away my device and going back to a normal PC where I can install proper, non key escrow encryption software.
That doesn't help at all if backdoors are baked into the silicon of your CPU, BIOS, etc.
But, no worries, mate! I've got you covered!
I've got an old 64-bit SGI Octane with IRIX UNIX installed (complete with the latest then-current Netscape Navigator browser!!) & matching monitor I'll give you a good price on if you pay shipping! :D (combined weight in the near-100lb/45kg range!!)
Strat :)
I'd call them more incompetent than anything else. They received tips about the Florida school shooter including his name and what he was going to do and they did nothing. Typical big government.
After the "Fast & Furious" fiasco where the ATF were attempting to illegally allow straw-purchasers from Mexican drug cartels to buy and smuggle US weapons into Mexico to "give ammo" to the gun-control lobby, it would not surprise me at all to learn of covert 'stand-down' orders regarding the Parkland shooter (especially considering the bizarre behavior/non-action of LEOs at the scene on top of a plethora of ignored warnings beforehand), and authorities at high levels in government responsible for deliberately and intentionally allowing those children to die to advance the gun-control agenda.
It's strange, because gun-related homicides over the last 25 years are down over 50% and gun violence victimization is down over 75%. School shootings are also way down, with the '90s being the worst.
The US government is rapidly coming to more-resemble a hostile occupying force than a peaceful domestic government in place by the will of the people it governs.
Strat
Exactly. Corporations are simply people pooling their resources in order to produce or provide a product or service for a profit.
Where I found their reasoning going awry was here:
The internet's original sin, as these programmers and investors and CEOs make clear, was its business model. To keep the internet free -- while becoming richer, faster, than anyone in history -- the technological elite needed something to attract billions of users to the ads they were selling. And that something, it turns out, was outrage.
No, "outrage" was simply a byproduct and result.
What the internet did was both inform people without the filters of the MSM and allow like-minded folks to find each other and organize. The "outrage" came in when people started finding out how much they've been screwed and blatantly lied to by both the government and megacorps, and that who both break the law with impunity and violate pretty much every civil right that exists daily and continue to do so even after being caught multiple times.
The US has pretty much become a "banana republic" in that there is no "rule of law" any longer. The powerful and wealthy are above the laws that would see you or I sentenced to long prison terms if we were to violate the same laws in the same way as they do and have long done. Both (R) & (D) establishment are sick, corrupt jokes that would make for a great Netflix parody series if it were not for the fact the fate of so many lives and suffering hang in the balance.
Strat
I believe his question is trying to get across the idea "what not build them inside cities". The answer would be cost per square foot of land is still higher in cities.
That and most importantly, the smell. I don't care what sort of farming you do, if you're raising plants and/or animals, even with hydroponics, etc, there's going to be smells that city-folk may object to. Even were it economically-viable, you won't see them on Park Ave., in the 'nice' parts of Marha's Vineyard, or on Rodeo Dr. and anyplace else whee those with money, fame, and power reside anytime in the foreseeable future.
Building such vertical farms in historically DNC/Progressive strongholds like Chicago and Detroit would require budgeting-in additional expenses for 24/7/365 armed security on-site or they'll come back the next day to find the building's wiring and plumbing gutted by meth-head copper/aluminum thieves and the remains of the gutted building being used as a dope & whore-house by street gangs.
Strat
If someone could make a reliable mesh system using lasers, this would allow some type of interconnected ad-hoc network to exist without having to have a dedicated ISP.
Good luck with that.
The US government would never permit the existence in the US of any communications network they did not control and could not collect bulk surveillance data on and trace/track any and every user at will. Authoritarian regimes don't operate like that.
After all, one does not allow their livestock/slaves the tools to be able to communicate securely and organize to free themselves.
Strat
Further, apps and services like this simply cannot exist without a bit of a safe-harbor.
That's the real goal here, potential copyright infringement is justification, a 'cover-story'.
Neither the US, Russia, UK, nor many other Western & Eastern/Middle-Eastern governments want their populations to have access to secure communication tools to enable the masses to conveniently communicate securely enough that it makes it difficult, labor-intensive, and time-consuming to do domestic intelligence operations within and data-collection and monitoring upon.
You don't allow the livestock/slaves the tools to organize to achieve freedom like a secure way to communicate.
Strat
Sorry, but Merriam-Webster is crap. They went newspeak/PC long ago.
Thanks for confirming your use of newspeak definitions, however.
Very Post-Modern of you.
I'll stick to the original definition, thanks.
Strat
This is entirely between the content owners and Telegram.
Should you be arrested because you might commit a crime? That's what you're describing.
You're missing the bigger picture, here.
This is not about "pirated" content at all. That's simply being used as justification.
This is about suppressing an encrypted communications channel that certain state actors including the US are fundamentally opposed to their populations having access to.
You don't allow your slaves the ability to communicate securely to enable them to organize to throw off their chains.
Strat
No. Atheists do not believe in gods. They do not believe that there is no god
Then you are Agnostic or some form of Humanist or Secularist, not Atheist.
Atheism is the positive belief there is no God.
Stop mixing and mangling definitions. Words have meanings.
Strat
Atheism is a religion in exactly the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby, i.e. it isn't
Sorry, no.
Both you and the article you linked to are wrong.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Theists believe there is a God.
Both rely on *faith* as neither position is provable.
Agnosticism simply the reluctance to put *faith* in either position.
Strat
Well, at least for the latter it is. Freedom of religion actually means that I may choose to not participate in a mass delusion.
It also and equally means that you cannot attempt to restrict other's religious beliefs and practices that fall within lawful bounds (i.e. doesn't incite violence, etc).
It also means that religion is not banished from the public square, as that would make such a society an Atheist Theocracy, another belief system no different than Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc etc as they all are based on faith in an unprovable belief.
It's about belief systems and the ideas and concepts that they embrace at the heart of it. Religions, ideologies, political constructs like communism, fascism, socialism, capitalism...they are all simply belief systems centered around certain ideas.
It could also be described as "Freedom Of Ideas".
To mangle a famous quote;
"Beware he who would restrict your ideas (speech) and deny your access to that of others, for in his heart, he dreams himself your Master."
Strat
I for one can't wait until the politicians who approved this bill have users post links "illegal" sites and they get hauled off to jail.
Nah, lawmakers will make certain there's an exemption for those in power just like the exemptions Congress has to "insider trading" laws so that they may enrich themselves via their foreknowledge regarding new laws, Acts. and actions of the government that affect stock prices.
I wonder how many people are checking to see if anyone in Congress has a softball game scheduled?
Strat