The "actual problem" is one nobody here even wants to admit exists.
It's government guaranteed/backed student loans. Colleges and universities have every economic motivation under such a system to raise tuition to ridiculous extremes as the current reality has born out.
You end up with people who should not have gone to college saddled with debt they cannot hope to ever repay. Even those for whom a college education would otherwise be a good choice are saddled with enormous debt they'll be repaying for a significant fraction of their lives.
Get the government out of the student loan business.
Hmm, Federal *Communications* Commission. It logically should have some authority over a major communications company.
The FCC deals with technical issues and standards like RF spectrum frequency-band divisions and mode & bandwidth restrictions.
The FTC deals with how businesses operate.
This about how they operate and not a technical issue, so it's an FTC issue.
Don't like it? Get Congress to pass a law or Act to change it. Doing an end-run around the Rule of Law never works out in the end for anyone but tyrants and authoritarians.
I'm the AC who cited Kristallnacht, not the other fellow who replied to you. You continue to misunderstand German politics - the Nazis were founded from a thoroughly and entirely extreme right-wing group, in fact under investigation by the German Army in its earliest era. Hitler was originally assigned as an army intelligence agent to infiltrate them, and after going rogue and joining them it was his idea to adopt a name that matched the actual socialist advantage in post-war Germany, after the Kaiser's failure which was conservatism's failure in the war. The name change and your extremely fragmented knowledge of history not withstanding fact, how do you really respond?
How I'd respond is simple. Show me the evidence in first-sources. Let's see some historical documents backing this up. So far all the evidence I've seen points towards my version of the facts, but I'd be fascinated to see some contrary evidence.
We may also have a confusion/conflation of terms and definitions here. "Left" and "Right" have different meanings from European and American perspectives.
The FCC never had the legal authority/power in the first place. You don't use a hammer on a screw or a screwdriver on a nail. EO's and Presidential Directives are not law. The problem is not in the FCC's purview, but the FTC's until Congress passes a law or Act that says otherwise.
If you give your guy the power(s) to do an end-run around the Constitution, Congress, and due process, you give the opposition's guy the same power(s). That's not a winning strategy for either side and especially not for the people.
California represents 1/8th of the US population and the biggest economy in the country. Our laws are more likely to become your laws than the other way around. Let the feds do what they want, we'll still go our own way.
Nope.
The Federal Supremacy Clause.
The modern (since Wickard vs Filburn) interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.
Not going to happen unless you can convince the Feds led by Trump and the courts which are seeing more (R)-nominated Federal Judges seated almost every week. Good luck with that one.
So your saying it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to advocate for physical violence against an identifiable group of people?
Like, if I wanted to, I would be unable to utter the words: "Let's go kill all the republicans"?
You're conflating "hate speech" with "incitement". They are two separate things. "Incitement" as in "incitement to violence" is a pretty clear and objective standard. "Hate speech" is anything but objective or clear and changes depending on the "victimhood status" of the particular speaker.
The resurgence in Post-Modernist thought is the genesis for "hate speech", "safe spaces", "white privilege", "micro-aggressions" and many other of the relatively recent social bugaboos and taboos, all of which are designed to destroy Western Enlightenment-based societies. Post-Modernism is toxic to a free and open society. It substitutes subjective emotional response and a hierarchy of victimhood for reason & logic and equal protections under Rule of Law. All thinking people should reject such toxic nonsense out of hand.
Whiny RWNJ shill has delusions of winning, how very Trumpian of you, you get bitchslaped every time, utterly destroyed, then claim you win. See you soon when I get mod points. Youâ(TM)re an automatic troll mod, you never contribute anything useful, just foaming at the mouth lies and hate. Sad.
LOL, wow!
So you've got nothing to rebut my facts with but vitriol & hatred. Nice. Your Mom must be *so* proud.
You've become everything we've learned through history to expect from the Left.
Condolences or congratulations take your pick, I suppose.
There are already laws and legal torts to handle people who cause harm to another through reckless negligence, etc. Either this is mine, or it is not. If it is mine, I shall make the decisions on what happens to it and also, be personally responsible for any harm I cause through negligence, etc with it. If it is not mine, then whomever owns it (by making those decisions for me) is the responsible party for any harm it may cause.
Proprietary vendors like MS want it both ways; It's yours when it comes to liability but theirs when it comes to making decisions about it's management/operation.
Shifting the responsibility in this manner is what allows MS and others to escape liability for those botnets, crypto-malware infections, vulnerabilities/backdoors, etc that exist because of bad engineering/coding and QA on their part.
OK, car-analogy time. It's like a car maker selling you a car which they control all operational functions of and you're not allowed to modify or even view critical parts, but you're held legally responsible if it, for instance, exceeds legal engine emissions standards when you have no way to alter or control it, or in many cases even be able to detect the flaw yourself.
Older does not mean better either. Do you think MS started forcing updates because they believed people would like it? No, they did it because all of the data they had showed that people never install certain privacy/security-hostile updates, ever.
Fascism is Left, not Right. The National Socialists of WW2 Germany were socialists with a nationalist doctrine (at least up until Hitler did away with all that and grabbed total control), the USSR was socialist with an international doctrine. Whereas the Nazis were "workers of Germany unite, Germany uber alle!" the Soviets were "workers of the world unite, socialism worldwide!". The Party planks and principles for the Nazi Party and the Soviets are nearly identical except for the divergences I cited in the previous sentence.
Italian Fascists were socialists who allowed private industry (with government control) which conveniently allowed Mussolini to blame problems he created on those industries.
All three are top-down, redistributionist, "everything within the State, nothing outside the State" command-and-control governments where individuals were unimportant, only the collective was important and everything and everyone served the collective. That is textbook Left with only minor differences among them.
Thus does one become the very evil they seek to destroy.
You mean like Leftist groups such as ANTIFA, BLM, etc etc?
Please post a link to the videos of violent US riots instigated and carried out by conservatives to shut down opposing views. How many Leftist speakers have conservatives prevented from speaking at events by using violence and riots?
The violence, riots, and silencing of opposing speech are purely primary Leftist tactics.
I guess I'll just have to do even more to debunk & destroy Leftist/SJW Post-Modernist nonsense and hateful intolerance.
So you don't consider yourself hateful and intolerant?
Not at all.
Defeating Leftism and relegating it to the dustbin of history where it belongs is the exact opposite, as Leftist/Collectivist ideologies are the embodiment of hate and intolerance, and I'll stand alongside anyone who tries to open people's eyes to the Left's hatred and intolerance and defeat them politically without engaging in violence or authoritarianism.
Hell, I don't even want to silence anyone on the Left as they do a great job of exposing who they really are and how hate-filled & intolerant they are by their own words and actions.
Yep, spot on, its obvious, the conga line of Incel gun nut sock puppets include Super Kendoll. Archangel Mike Okian warrior Frosty Piss. Lgw Blindseer. All the Cayenne various trolls All spout the same RWNJ bullshit talking points. They rarely post in the same thread, or on the same day, it so obvious they should be embarrassed. I waste so many mod points on these useless turds.
What!? I'm not included!?
I guess I'll just have to do even more to debunk & destroy Leftist/SJW Post-Modernist nonsense and hateful intolerance.
The internet is the source of all knowledge, true and false. We'd once thought that by giving people access to both in the marketplace of ideas, with no gatekeepers, the "true" would drive out the false.
We're now realizing, however, that this may not be the case. The false can drive out the true, because it can be crafted to play to people's wants and needs and prejudices.
That's not an internet problem, it's a societal problem. Society is dysfunctional due to the rise of identity/group politics and "intersectionality"-driven/generated hatred that the Left has pushed for decades in order to divide the people and empower themselves. What is seen on the internet is merely a symptom of a sick society suffering the inevitable outcomes of Leftist ideology and political agendas, it's not a cause.
This is a problem. Does it have a solution?
Yes, the solution is simple...but far from easy. Get people to realize that almost everyone agrees on basic principles of liberty and civil rights, the differences are simply about how best to address issues we all agree need to be addressed, and that hating someone because they want to solve the same problems you do but in a different way does not make regular folks on the Right Nazis or those on the Left communist dictators. There's no peaceful end-game if people can't look past group-identity-driven hate.
No, the big ISPs are smart enough to wait until Net Neutrality is no longer a hot issue, before they start abusing their newfound freedoms.
"Newfound freedoms"??
You mean "new" as in exactly how the internet had been until the FCC (with some prodding from the Obama administration) implemented NN rules? FFS, the FCC NN rules were only in place for a matter of months!!
On top of that, all the ISP abuses trotted out as justification were resolved under existing laws and with the force of negative publicity without any NN rules.
"If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it."
This is simply content providers trying to effectively seize regulatory control over their means of distribution just like the RIAA/MPAA tries to do. If you don't like the RIAA/MPAA doing that shit, why the fucking hell are you in favor of Alphabet essentially doing the same evil shit except to ISPs!?
Judges and politicians are old and have no clue how the internet works much less 3d printers. This is like saying blueprints of firearms are illegal.
What this is really about is protecting authoritarian foreign governments from their own people. These foreign governments have applied political and diplomatic pressure as well as "contributed" large sums of money to US politicians to prevent the distribution of such information that those wishing to free themselves from oppression could use to gain their liberty.
As to posters here who ridiculed the idea that rebels with a one-shot single-use gun could beat those armed with normal guns, it's quite simple. You're right. By itself, it can't. You use such a weapon to sneak up and shoot a government soldier/guard/etc (like those guarding a government armory) and take *their* weapon and drop the 3D-printed plastic gun. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Strangely enough, that right was granted when guns took about 30-60 seconds to reload, and they only shot one round at a time.
And it also included artillery and warships, so you're saying you're OK with your neigbor's 105mm Howitzer and the light battle cruiser he has moored down at the docks, right?
Also, the army's guns took the same time to reload and functioned in the same manner as that was the intent, to assure that citizens had weapons of standard infantry-grade so that citizens may form militias in times of emergency that can share ammunition and spare parts with the regular infantry and fight alongside them. Every able-bodied US male citizen between 17 and 45 are members of the unorganized militia as set out in the US Constitution.
"Unorganized militia -- composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia."
Like this doesn't happen to the RNC or to other parties? EVERYTHING on the net is being hacked and targetted. I'd be more surprised that this DIDN'T happen to any political campaign with a net presence.
That's not even the craziest part.
Why even hack the DNC to obtain their voter database when all they'd need to do is obtain the registries for all the cemeteries/mausoleums, crematoriums, and funeral homes (including recent obituaries in a close race) in a given Democratic district?
It has to have been the work of a foreign state as Americans would know better.
The law seems to primarily target city-owned buildings
Another poster says TFA talks mostly about luxury towers.
This is NYC. If it's city buildings, it's a kickback scheme to 'crony' city contractors, suppliers, and labor unions financed by taxpayers. If it's privately owned luxury apartment towers, then it's both a kickback scheme to various politically-connected interests as previous, it's also a 'get those dirty rich' move to be used in NYC election campaign ads.
If this proposal was made in Tucson or Kansas City, I might entertain the idea that this was proposed in good faith for the reasons stated by at least some of those behind it.
However, this is thoroughly-corrupt NYC. Organized crime was never mostly destroyed in the 1970s-'80s as it's been portrayed, they simply got smart and entered NYC government. Organized crime runs NYC. Somebody is getting paid off and someone is getting rich(er) here with this proposal somehow, it's a near-certainty.
No, out of quite-justified fear of what Communists always do. Murder tens of millions of people (mostly their own) After all, Marx himself said that Socialism was the step between Capitalism and Communism.
And before anyone goes off about the Nordic countries, they have been corner-cases firstly because they're only partially Socialist (and mostly Capitalist), and secondly because until relatively recently they've been a very small and culturally/racially/religiously/ideologically homogeneous culture (somewhere around 5-7 million population in Norway I think?). They are now running away from Socialism because of all the foreign refugees who don't share the same culture, ideology, beliefs, or values. Socialism breaks down in a large and very culturally, religiously, and morally diverse society because of the natural tribal nature of humans.
As usual in this world, people are why we can't have nice things.
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So fix the actual problem
The "actual problem" is one nobody here even wants to admit exists.
It's government guaranteed/backed student loans. Colleges and universities have every economic motivation under such a system to raise tuition to ridiculous extremes as the current reality has born out.
You end up with people who should not have gone to college saddled with debt they cannot hope to ever repay. Even those for whom a college education would otherwise be a good choice are saddled with enormous debt they'll be repaying for a significant fraction of their lives.
Get the government out of the student loan business.
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Hmm, Federal *Communications* Commission. It logically should have some authority over a major communications company.
The FCC deals with technical issues and standards like RF spectrum frequency-band divisions and mode & bandwidth restrictions.
The FTC deals with how businesses operate.
This about how they operate and not a technical issue, so it's an FTC issue.
Don't like it? Get Congress to pass a law or Act to change it. Doing an end-run around the Rule of Law never works out in the end for anyone but tyrants and authoritarians.
Strat
I'm the AC who cited Kristallnacht, not the other fellow who replied to you. You continue to misunderstand German politics - the Nazis were founded from a thoroughly and entirely extreme right-wing group, in fact under investigation by the German Army in its earliest era. Hitler was originally assigned as an army intelligence agent to infiltrate them, and after going rogue and joining them it was his idea to adopt a name that matched the actual socialist advantage in post-war Germany, after the Kaiser's failure which was conservatism's failure in the war. The name change and your extremely fragmented knowledge of history not withstanding fact, how do you really respond?
How I'd respond is simple. Show me the evidence in first-sources. Let's see some historical documents backing this up. So far all the evidence I've seen points towards my version of the facts, but I'd be fascinated to see some contrary evidence.
We may also have a confusion/conflation of terms and definitions here. "Left" and "Right" have different meanings from European and American perspectives.
https://youtu.be/cz-mqZxVWyE
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Nothing ever is done to big corporations
...criticized for surrendering the power...
The FCC never had the legal authority/power in the first place. You don't use a hammer on a screw or a screwdriver on a nail. EO's and Presidential Directives are not law. The problem is not in the FCC's purview, but the FTC's until Congress passes a law or Act that says otherwise.
If you give your guy the power(s) to do an end-run around the Constitution, Congress, and due process, you give the opposition's guy the same power(s). That's not a winning strategy for either side and especially not for the people.
Strat
California represents 1/8th of the US population and the biggest economy in the country. Our laws are more likely to become your laws than the other way around. Let the feds do what they want, we'll still go our own way.
Nope.
The Federal Supremacy Clause.
The modern (since Wickard vs Filburn) interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause.
Not going to happen unless you can convince the Feds led by Trump and the courts which are seeing more (R)-nominated Federal Judges seated almost every week. Good luck with that one.
Strat
You're conflating "hate speech" with "incitement". They are two separate things. "Incitement" as in "incitement to violence" is a pretty clear and objective standard. "Hate speech" is anything but objective or clear and changes depending on the "victimhood status" of the particular speaker.
The resurgence in Post-Modernist thought is the genesis for "hate speech", "safe spaces", "white privilege", "micro-aggressions" and many other of the relatively recent social bugaboos and taboos, all of which are designed to destroy Western Enlightenment-based societies. Post-Modernism is toxic to a free and open society. It substitutes subjective emotional response and a hierarchy of victimhood for reason & logic and equal protections under Rule of Law. All thinking people should reject such toxic nonsense out of hand.
Strat
Whiny RWNJ shill has delusions of winning, how very Trumpian of you, you get bitchslaped every time, utterly destroyed, then claim you win. See you soon when I get mod points. Youâ(TM)re an automatic troll mod, you never contribute anything useful, just foaming at the mouth lies and hate. Sad.
LOL, wow!
So you've got nothing to rebut my facts with but vitriol & hatred. Nice. Your Mom must be *so* proud.
You've become everything we've learned through history to expect from the Left.
Condolences or congratulations take your pick, I suppose.
Strat
B..b..but mah 'S'! :P
Even when it causes harm to others?
Yes.
There are already laws and legal torts to handle people who cause harm to another through reckless negligence, etc. Either this is mine, or it is not. If it is mine, I shall make the decisions on what happens to it and also, be personally responsible for any harm I cause through negligence, etc with it. If it is not mine, then whomever owns it (by making those decisions for me) is the responsible party for any harm it may cause.
Proprietary vendors like MS want it both ways; It's yours when it comes to liability but theirs when it comes to making decisions about it's management/operation.
Shifting the responsibility in this manner is what allows MS and others to escape liability for those botnets, crypto-malware infections, vulnerabilities/backdoors, etc that exist because of bad engineering/coding and QA on their part.
OK, car-analogy time. It's like a car maker selling you a car which they control all operational functions of and you're not allowed to modify or even view critical parts, but you're held legally responsible if it, for instance, exceeds legal engine emissions standards when you have no way to alter or control it, or in many cases even be able to detect the flaw yourself.
It's straight-up horseshit and needs to end.
trat
Older does not mean better either. Do you think MS started forcing updates because they believed people would like it? No, they did it because all of the data they had showed that people never install certain privacy/security-hostile updates, ever.
FTFY
Strat
Fascism is Left, not Right. The National Socialists of WW2 Germany were socialists with a nationalist doctrine (at least up until Hitler did away with all that and grabbed total control), the USSR was socialist with an international doctrine. Whereas the Nazis were "workers of Germany unite, Germany uber alle!" the Soviets were "workers of the world unite, socialism worldwide!". The Party planks and principles for the Nazi Party and the Soviets are nearly identical except for the divergences I cited in the previous sentence.
Italian Fascists were socialists who allowed private industry (with government control) which conveniently allowed Mussolini to blame problems he created on those industries.
All three are top-down, redistributionist, "everything within the State, nothing outside the State" command-and-control governments where individuals were unimportant, only the collective was important and everything and everyone served the collective. That is textbook Left with only minor differences among them.
Strat
In Soviet America, content platforms use YOU!
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Thus does one become the very evil they seek to destroy.
You mean like Leftist groups such as ANTIFA, BLM, etc etc?
Please post a link to the videos of violent US riots instigated and carried out by conservatives to shut down opposing views. How many Leftist speakers have conservatives prevented from speaking at events by using violence and riots?
The violence, riots, and silencing of opposing speech are purely primary Leftist tactics.
Strat
Not at all.
Defeating Leftism and relegating it to the dustbin of history where it belongs is the exact opposite, as Leftist/Collectivist ideologies are the embodiment of hate and intolerance, and I'll stand alongside anyone who tries to open people's eyes to the Left's hatred and intolerance and defeat them politically without engaging in violence or authoritarianism.
Hell, I don't even want to silence anyone on the Left as they do a great job of exposing who they really are and how hate-filled & intolerant they are by their own words and actions.
Have a great day! :)
Strat
Yep, spot on, its obvious, the conga line of Incel gun nut sock puppets include
Super Kendoll.
Archangel Mike
Okian warrior
Frosty Piss.
Lgw
Blindseer.
All the Cayenne various trolls
All spout the same RWNJ bullshit talking points.
They rarely post in the same thread, or on the same day, it so obvious they should be embarrassed.
I waste so many mod points on these useless turds.
What!? I'm not included!?
I guess I'll just have to do even more to debunk & destroy Leftist/SJW Post-Modernist nonsense and hateful intolerance.
Strat :)
But by blabbering about "the Left" at the beginning of your post, you've lost all credibility.
So the Left has not embraced and pushed "intersectionality" and group-identity politics and agendas? Wow.
No, sorry, it's you who just lost all credibility by refusing to acknowledge reality.
Strat
The internet is the source of all knowledge, true and false. We'd once thought that by giving people access to both in the marketplace of ideas, with no gatekeepers, the "true" would drive out the false.
We're now realizing, however, that this may not be the case. The false can drive out the true, because it can be crafted to play to people's wants and needs and prejudices.
That's not an internet problem, it's a societal problem. Society is dysfunctional due to the rise of identity/group politics and "intersectionality"-driven/generated hatred that the Left has pushed for decades in order to divide the people and empower themselves. What is seen on the internet is merely a symptom of a sick society suffering the inevitable outcomes of Leftist ideology and political agendas, it's not a cause.
This is a problem. Does it have a solution?
Yes, the solution is simple...but far from easy. Get people to realize that almost everyone agrees on basic principles of liberty and civil rights, the differences are simply about how best to address issues we all agree need to be addressed, and that hating someone because they want to solve the same problems you do but in a different way does not make regular folks on the Right Nazis or those on the Left communist dictators. There's no peaceful end-game if people can't look past group-identity-driven hate.
Strat
No, the big ISPs are smart enough to wait until Net Neutrality is no longer a hot issue, before they start abusing their newfound freedoms.
"Newfound freedoms"??
You mean "new" as in exactly how the internet had been until the FCC (with some prodding from the Obama administration) implemented NN rules? FFS, the FCC NN rules were only in place for a matter of months!!
On top of that, all the ISP abuses trotted out as justification were resolved under existing laws and with the force of negative publicity without any NN rules.
"If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it."
This is simply content providers trying to effectively seize regulatory control over their means of distribution just like the RIAA/MPAA tries to do. If you don't like the RIAA/MPAA doing that shit, why the fucking hell are you in favor of Alphabet essentially doing the same evil shit except to ISPs!?
Strat
Judges and politicians are old and have no clue how the internet works much less 3d printers. This is like saying blueprints of firearms are illegal.
What this is really about is protecting authoritarian foreign governments from their own people. These foreign governments have applied political and diplomatic pressure as well as "contributed" large sums of money to US politicians to prevent the distribution of such information that those wishing to free themselves from oppression could use to gain their liberty.
As to posters here who ridiculed the idea that rebels with a one-shot single-use gun could beat those armed with normal guns, it's quite simple. You're right. By itself, it can't. You use such a weapon to sneak up and shoot a government soldier/guard/etc (like those guarding a government armory) and take *their* weapon and drop the 3D-printed plastic gun. Rinse and repeat as needed.
Strat
Strangely enough, that right was granted when guns took about 30-60 seconds to reload, and they only shot one round at a time.
And it also included artillery and warships, so you're saying you're OK with your neigbor's 105mm Howitzer and the light battle cruiser he has moored down at the docks, right?
Also, the army's guns took the same time to reload and functioned in the same manner as that was the intent, to assure that citizens had weapons of standard infantry-grade so that citizens may form militias in times of emergency that can share ammunition and spare parts with the regular infantry and fight alongside them. Every able-bodied US male citizen between 17 and 45 are members of the unorganized militia as set out in the US Constitution.
"Unorganized militia -- composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Stop basing your worldview on 'feelz' as the world and reality care not about anyone's 'feelz'..
Strat
...Not to use anything Google-related.
Strat
Who is the arbiter of what's "decent" under this law anyway?
Allow me to condense Sen, Wyden's remarks;
"We must infringe upon your freedom to prevent those we deem Nazis from infringing upon your freedom." -- Sen. Ron Wyden (D) 2018
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Like this doesn't happen to the RNC or to other parties? EVERYTHING on the net is being hacked and targetted. I'd be more surprised that this DIDN'T happen to any political campaign with a net presence.
That's not even the craziest part.
Why even hack the DNC to obtain their voter database when all they'd need to do is obtain the registries for all the cemeteries/mausoleums, crematoriums, and funeral homes (including recent obituaries in a close race) in a given Democratic district?
It has to have been the work of a foreign state as Americans would know better.
Strat
The law seems to primarily target city-owned buildings
Another poster says TFA talks mostly about luxury towers.
This is NYC. If it's city buildings, it's a kickback scheme to 'crony' city contractors, suppliers, and labor unions financed by taxpayers. If it's privately owned luxury apartment towers, then it's both a kickback scheme to various politically-connected interests as previous, it's also a 'get those dirty rich' move to be used in NYC election campaign ads.
If this proposal was made in Tucson or Kansas City, I might entertain the idea that this was proposed in good faith for the reasons stated by at least some of those behind it.
However, this is thoroughly-corrupt NYC. Organized crime was never mostly destroyed in the 1970s-'80s as it's been portrayed, they simply got smart and entered NYC government. Organized crime runs NYC. Somebody is getting paid off and someone is getting rich(er) here with this proposal somehow, it's a near-certainty.
Strat
Out of fear of its power
No, out of quite-justified fear of what Communists always do. Murder tens of millions of people (mostly their own) After all, Marx himself said that Socialism was the step between Capitalism and Communism.
And before anyone goes off about the Nordic countries, they have been corner-cases firstly because they're only partially Socialist (and mostly Capitalist), and secondly because until relatively recently they've been a very small and culturally/racially/religiously/ideologically homogeneous culture (somewhere around 5-7 million population in Norway I think?). They are now running away from Socialism because of all the foreign refugees who don't share the same culture, ideology, beliefs, or values. Socialism breaks down in a large and very culturally, religiously, and morally diverse society because of the natural tribal nature of humans.
As usual in this world, people are why we can't have nice things.
Strat