Slashdot Mirror
Adobe's Next Major Creative Cloud Release Won't Support Older OSes (petapixel.com)
nehumanuscrede writes: Adobe ruffled a lot of feathers when they decided to cease selling their standalone products and go subscription only. While a lot of folks complained, it doesn't seem to have had much (if any) of a negative impact on Adobe financially. Now, according to PetaPixel, Adobe is poised to cease support for older operating systems by depriving those users of upgrades and updates beyond the cut-off date, even though those users are paying customers (and have been for years). I'm curious if those impacted will upgrade to the more modern OS, or simply find an alternative to Adobe software (paid or otherwise).
Personally, I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it. So, in the near future, it seems I'm going to have a choice to make: Drop my Creative Cloud subscription, upgrade to an OS I absolutely loathe like Windows 10, or continue paying full price for apps that will cease receiving updates (which was Adobe's whole argument for going with the subscription method in the first place so folks will always have the latest updated software). What are your thoughts? "Your Windows won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (v1607) that was released to the public on August 2, 2016," reports PetaPixel. "And if you're on a Mac, you won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan), which was released on September 30, 2015."
Personally, I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it. So, in the near future, it seems I'm going to have a choice to make: Drop my Creative Cloud subscription, upgrade to an OS I absolutely loathe like Windows 10, or continue paying full price for apps that will cease receiving updates (which was Adobe's whole argument for going with the subscription method in the first place so folks will always have the latest updated software). What are your thoughts? "Your Windows won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (v1607) that was released to the public on August 2, 2016," reports PetaPixel. "And if you're on a Mac, you won't be supported if you haven't upgraded beyond Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan), which was released on September 30, 2015."
First, they get greedy
Second, they stop being innovative
Third, they treat their customers badly
All pointing towards the end of Adobe, soon.
"I told you so, and so did a lot of other people" about covers it.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
I don't think most people realize how hard it is to move a piece of software forward while supporting dozens of antiquated platforms.
At some point, a professional should upgrade themselves. I'm sure Adobe will leave an older version available for those who don't update (if only so they can continue to get the monthly revenue).
Time to dump them once and for all...
According to reports on DPReview quoting Adobe, Adobe will still be supporting Windows 7 64 bit.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
Win 7 and CS6 still meet my needs. When they stop meeting my needs, I'll consider options.
When this computer dies, I'll probably continue to run Win7+CS6 in a VM.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
Where's the source? I don't see anything about it being open source in the license.
You're wrong.
MasterPDFEditor is proprietary closed source software. The software costs around $60 to get the full fuctionality.
It's like having a cheaper competitor to Acrobat, but it's definitively not free.
Everything acrobat can do for $0
Bates Numbering?
Redaction?
Adobe's Horrid user interface aside, all of the free ones I've looked at so far are all lacking some things that Acrobat Pro can do.
Same for photoshop: gimp is very nice, but it's still not in the same league.
Windows 7 extended support ends in January 2020, less than 18 months away. Developing for one OS simplifies the code base and lets the dev take advantage of newer features - like how certain Adobe products can use Directx12 and render on both the dedicated and integrated GPU.
Right here: "I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it" You are whats wrong with it.
Do you expect people to spend time and money and not benefit commensurate with expenditure in return? Do you believe technology is an end in itself?
Stop paying multiple times for the same software and just replace it. Adobe thinks you're a bitch and is out to fuck you like one. Don't choose to be a bitch.
There. Much better.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
So get to work and add those to the FOSS project, how hard can it be?
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
It's quite an old OS, doesn't fully support newer hardware, doesn't get security support and updates... find if you have an air-gapped system I guess, but I'd never consider running a Windows 7 install live connected to the net
Windows 7 was fine in its day, but it needs to be put to rest... (And I liked Vista back in the day, though an unpopular opinion it might be, I ran it with 4GB of RAM, where as many ran it with the minimum 1GB and wondered why they had a bad time)
Where is this free? There's a free trial, giving you free watermarks in your output. From their site: "The demo version allows you to try out all the features of Master PDF Editor. There are no limitations except for the addition of a watermark on the output file." But it costs $70 (excluding VAT) for a single license.
Sig?
Please tell me more about how you will replace Photoshop with GIMP, Illustrator with Inkscape, After Effects with ... err .. Blender, Premiere with ... hum, AVISynth, maybe? Or yeah, maybe command-line ffmpeg, sure sounds good! Oh and InDesign, you can easily do the same thing in OpenOffice right?
Get with the times, upgrade your 10-year old operating system. You're not running legacy industrial automation software for a production line. Don't expect Adobe to keep supporting 10-year old APIs set for deprecation.
Bates numbering isn't needed if you're honest. ;-)
No, seriously, you make good points. It's not a perfect drop-in replacement. However, those features could be added. That's the beauty of FOSS.
And yes, GIMP beat Photoshop in many ways, and lags in others.
E
It's free to download:
https://code-industry.net/free...
E
(Sorry, we don't do VAT in the big part of the world.)
Right here: "I'm still rocking Windows 7 because, in my opinion, there isn't anything wrong with it"
You are whats wrong with it.
Newer does not mean better. Maybe people don't want to use an OS that tries its damndest to suck up as much of your data as possible. Forces upgrades on itself and is generally is user hostile.
Wanna buy a shirt?
https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
However, those features could be added. That's the beauty of FOSS.
Yes. I could add any features to any piece of software (it's in the nature of software, really), but in the case of the Adobe suite, it will take me - and a team of oh let's say fifty people, about ten years to add those features that are currently unavailable anywhere else. Which means that this comment, as it always does when raised in the context of "here's a list of things that OSS doesn't do", means jack and shit.
Where's the source code?
Either you provide a URL or you shut the fuck up.
**WHY** was this modded up?
It's not FOSS and never has been.
This should be -1 Troll.
on the other hand.
any "it professional" using windows 10 should be immediately fired for gross negligence.
However, your original post said this:
Had you said "it's affordable commercial software for Linux", you'd have been right. You said it was "open source". It isn't.
Either, you haven't been long enough on this site to distinguish between "free as in beer" and "free as in freedom", which I doubt with a user ID like that, or you are being deceitful on purpose. Never mind this is "free as in limited demo version".
Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
Poster should read the linked blog. His Windows 7 is still supported. 8 and earlier 10 is being dropped. Never the less, he will be affected eventually.
These days, who doesn't just use "print to PDF" from your program of choice? Unless you need to fill in forms or something.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Once you whack it on the head with a sledgehammer and disable all the rubbish app stuff, Windy 10 is ok.
Add Classic Shell / Classic Start (new open source name)
Use Winaero Tweaker.
Use Disable Win Tracking.
Add Aero Glass for Windows 8 (if that is your thing, needs a donation for no nag).
Add old calculator.
Give paint 3d the heave ho.
Add the old windows picture viewer.
Add back all the old sound schemes (some guy on deviantart has done this).
On the Mac side, anyway, it seems Adobe is just saying it’s not going to support versions of the OS which aren’t supported by Apple - El Capitan (10.11) will be falling off the support bandwagon as soon as Mohave (10.14) is released in the next few weeks.
That doesn’t seem unreasonable, in and of itself.
The idea that Adobe wants you to pay a subscription for software which has been feature-complete for years, on the other hand...
#DeleteChrome
In my line of work, I often have to reslice company logos and other reasonably asinine muti-layer image and photo manipulation to rebrand major customer facing enterprise applications. I might need to do that once every 3 months (I mostly do infrastructure, not graphic design), so the cost of a monthly photoshop license when CS2 would be more than capable of doing the job is simply out of the question. That said, GIMP has come a long way in the past few years, so that is now my image manipulator of choice.
Similarly, Draw.IO kicks MS Visio to the curb, its also free.
And lets not forget how much better Google Docs and Libre Office are at handling Microsoft documents than Microsoft's Word Online is (no broken selection UI bugs like Office365 Word). Libre Office Calc is much more capable than Office365's Microsoft Excel - particularly when performing multiple copy/paste operations. This AND Open Office applications tend not employ lunatic UI designers who insist on presenting every menu item as a picture as though every user was an illiterate child (yet still insist on presenting a 'floppy disk' icon as a save button!!!). Instead they tend to respect Microsoft Windows' design language featuring pull-down menus.
Of course IT professionals believe technology is an end to itself. Bricklayers also believe bricklaying is an end to itself and ditch diggers believe ditches are an end to itself. But that is only a result of a misguided sense of self-importance and lack of imagination. Meanwhile in the real world we care about results.
I remember a time when Windows 7 was the best OS out there. It actually moved me away from Mac's and back to PC's. But that was then and even though Windows 10 is no Windows 7 in my book. Windows 7 is about done EOS Jan 2020. So why would any new releases of any software try to serve a OS that's about done?
As long as the old hardware runs fine, and the new hardware doesn't offer any interesting new features, and we can totally separate the resources (servers, network etc.pp.) needed for the administration of the old hardware from anything else in the campus, there is no compelling reason to do this.
Older does not mean better either. Do you think MS started forcing updates because they believed people would like it? No, they did it because all of the data they had showed that people never install updates, ever.
Bingo.
This might be incomprehensible to a Slashdot dweeb, but to a professional, the computer is the means to running Photoshop. They don't buy Photoshop to run on their computer -- they buy the computer to run Photoshop. All that nonsense about what operating system that Slashdot dweebs think is somehow even slightly significant? They Could Not Care Less. It Does Not Matter. It's only a damn means to an end, and that end is Photoshop.
Yes. That's what I would be expecting for a professional working in IT, with IT or using IT as their primary tool.
Windows 10 was released in July 2015. A professional working in or with IT-related topics that has not adapted to new technology over more than three years AND who doesn't recognize that as a potential problem? They themselves really are what's wrong about it.
Except, you have deliberately left out one important part.
There's a reason why, after 3 years, there are still more people using Windows 7 than Windows 10.
Windows 10 is broken, unusable, shit. Filled with un-needed and un-wanted garbage, even in the "Pro" and "Enterprise" versions.
Older does not mean better either. Do you think MS started forcing updates because they believed people would like it? No, they did it because all of the data they had showed that people never install certain privacy/security-hostile updates, ever.
FTFY
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Face it BeauHD, you aren't "rocking" anything.
Whats wrong with you people. Upgrade to windows 10! Its faster and more stable. Way more features. Worried about your data? You have a smartphone that is sucking more data from you than your PC would be if you had windows 10.
Looks like Microsoft is trying to avoid another Windows XP where people use it for years after the official end of support. By forcing killer apps from various software companies to be 10 only, it can get people into the telemetry ecosystem. If only the penguin made a better effort to save us. Valve, if you’re listening use your new Proton feature to support non gaming software and offer people an exit from from telemetry.
An adjustment layer is a layer that is created by applying filters to the layers below it and automatically updates when the layers below it change. GIMP doesn't have adjustment layers. Photoshop has had them since version 4. Not CS4, just 4. That's two decades ago.
Define professional -- I have a client with 2 graphic artists who run the Adobe suite, and both are using aging mid-range desktops running Windows 7.
Now, they're both 20-somethings at the entry level of graphic arts and the graphic arts they do is mostly internal communications for a private association that is perpetually behind the curve on all things IT. But I'm not convinced they're not more common use cases for Photoshop, et al.
Not everyone is directly in-line with the design business in terms of either working as a freelance designer or part of the workflow in advertising, publishing or design for mass public consumption. A lot of them are entry level or servicing an internal audience on a part-time basis and can be expected to be running mid-tier business desktops.
The only time you ever see high-end purpose-bought workstations for Adobe products seems to be either relatively successful freelancers or people working "in the biz" that are part of the media/design business. But even when I worked in advertising, there was shit hardware in some of the prepress area.
I will say that the parent poster is kind of right in pidgeonholing the nature of the Slashdot audience these days. I think it's an example of how the economy has changed and a lot of people are pursuing free/cheap solutions not because they're in love with FOSS or some other technology interest, but because they just don't have any disposable income. Any posts on cell phones seems to really exemplify this, people really aggressive about how little they spend on some outer-tier NVMO for an old or cheap Android with home-rolled firmware. I just don't know how people have the time and energy for that.
Stop lying you know damn well that the average person delayed updates for months if not years.
When Adobeâ(TM)s businesses decisions force users to invest thousands of dollars in hardware upgrades, I think theyâ(TM)ll worry. If your two-versions-old, essentially free OS upgrade is still based on personal preferences, you probably donâ(TM)t use CC professionally and therefore donâ(TM)t factor into Adobeâ(TM)s future plans.
"Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life
And how come it doesn't work aswell as Win7 for example, still?
I'm rocking CS3 on Win7. I still have the install DVD from back when I was a professional graphic artist over a decade ago. I have CC at work, though I don't use it much. There have been a few small improvements, but honestly, not much has changed. I just did an enormous freelance project using CS3 without incident. Graphics happened 10 years ago, and there wasn't much you couldn't do then that you can do now.
There is no value proposition for the consumer in Adobe's pricing model, and they know it, so they are resulting to lock-in tactics.
I'm sorry, but your opinion seems to be wrong.
Similarly, Draw.IO kicks MS Visio to the curb, its also free.
Except it apparently doesn't open Visio files. I tried and neither the desktop nor online version opens older Visio VDX files. For file creation it seems pretty decent, especially for free.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Have you got a source for your claim that more people are still using Win 7? the latest sources I am aware of, statcounter, shows Win 10 as the most used windows version every month since the beginning of this year with WIn 10 having 8% higher market share. Given WIn 10 use has increased 10% YoY and Win 7 use has decreased by 7% YoY, which makes it a reasonable estimate that within a year Win 10 will have ~25% more market share than Win 7.
It will get hacked and an offline version will appear. It always does.
its their computer. they should be allowed to do that if they wish
No, you couldn't add anything to software, and no 50 people would work with you. You felt compelled to respond when you know nothing about software development and are just an argumentative ass. Get back in your pick'em'up truck and hunt frogs and drink cheap american beer and vote for a reality tv star for president.
Agreed.
Even when it causes harm to others? Many botnets use exploits that have already been patched. But since people never install updates they get infected anyway.
This doesn't happen in a vacuum.
They are just helping their buddies at Microsoft and Apple force people to upgrade their OS, even if there is no cost it gets you closer to OS subscriptions, which is coming sooner than we think.
Just say no to ANY 3rd party cloud based subscription. If enough people balk, the market will respond, with alternatives.
My goodness. A company that sells software wanting to dedicate their time to creating new features instead of supporting older OSes that the majority of professionals aren't using these days. Windows 10 was a free update at one point, and everything since then comes with it. Same goes for macOS, free updates, with hardware supported back to 2012. Don't blame the subscription model. This has always been the case with software. New features require new and more advanced OSes.
From Adobe, "If you’re running Windows 8.1, Windows 10 v1511 and v1607 or Mac OS 10.11 (El Capitan), you can continue to run and install current and previous versions of Creative Cloud applications. However, you will not be able to install or run the next major release of Creative Cloud unless you’re on a supported version of Windows or MacOS."
It's not like you lose access because you don't want to update and want to continue to use an OS that's nearly a decade old.
+11
Which OS is more NSA friendly - Win 7 or Win 10?
And depending on your personal situation, you dont need those updates either. Or do you work for CDW or something?
Only one zero? Are you sure?
I agree
Pirating just continues its use as the de facto standard.
its not. Just 8.1 with a new skin. In fact I bet I can trick 10 "only" programs to run on 8.1. The "store", apps and some of the visuals were rewritten but that looks to be it from delving into the guts.
I've used Paint Shop Pro since the late 90s. I have v. 5 ($100 in '99) and 16 ($50 in 2014). Also, Aftershot Pro for RAW images. I think I paid $40 for that, with a 5-machine license. They're comparable to Adobe products for a fraction of the price. I wouldn't allow Adobe's bloated software on my system even for free. (Take a look at the size of their Acrobat Reader. Crazy!)
Yes, GIMP doesn't quite make it, unfortunately. But if you're willing to pay for the software -- as Adobe customers must -- then there are good options.
They've become as untrustworthy as Microsoft.
"I want to stick with windows 7" and "I want the latest adobe" are simply incompatible. I wish it weren't, but hey, you can't have both old and new on the same machine. A year ago, I was fine with vista on my ten-year old machine. But then even firefox refused to connect to modern SSL web-sites.
So you get to decide, upgrade everything (occasionally), or stick with old everything.
But you've stepped on a landmine of mine. You loath Windows 10; but with about five hours of clicking, it becomes nearly identical to windows 7. You can adjust almost everything to be the way you have your windows 7 now. And the remaining things are, quite frankly, just minor cosmetic differences.
Take it from me. I spent six hours and got it almost the same as my vista setup.
Even when it causes harm to others?
Yes.
There are already laws and legal torts to handle people who cause harm to another through reckless negligence, etc. Either this is mine, or it is not. If it is mine, I shall make the decisions on what happens to it and also, be personally responsible for any harm I cause through negligence, etc with it. If it is not mine, then whomever owns it (by making those decisions for me) is the responsible party for any harm it may cause.
Proprietary vendors like MS want it both ways; It's yours when it comes to liability but theirs when it comes to making decisions about it's management/operation.
Shifting the responsibility in this manner is what allows MS and others to escape liability for those botnets, crypto-malware infections, vulnerabilities/backdoors, etc that exist because of bad engineering/coding and QA on their part.
OK, car-analogy time. It's like a car maker selling you a car which they control all operational functions of and you're not allowed to modify or even view critical parts, but you're held legally responsible if it, for instance, exceeds legal engine emissions standards when you have no way to alter or control it, or in many cases even be able to detect the flaw yourself.
It's straight-up horseshit and needs to end.
trat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
B..b..but mah 'S'! :P
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Working in or with IT and neither recognizing nor adapting to its pace of innovation is a phenomenal blunder and disqualifies them for being "professional".
Do you work, directly or indirectly, for Microsoft?
Because you seem to be the only one here who thinks that forced software updates, automatic reboots, built-in privacy and security risks, and other such "innovations" are desirable in a professional environment.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
And also people who use adobe are usually designers. Slashdot is know for being lacking when it comes to design.
No, they did it because all of the data they had showed that people never install updates, ever.
You think professional users never installed updates in earlier versions of Windows?
I mean, it's true, we stopped installing all non-security updates on Windows 7 at my office several years ago. I know some people who stopped installing even security updates earlier this year, after Microsoft borked their handling of some big vulnerabilities for an extended period.
The thing is, we all stopped installing those updates because they were bad updates. Being responsible professionals, we were weighing the risks of not installing them against the risks of installing them, and then we chose the better option. With earlier versions of Windows, at least you had that choice.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Reading through to the original blog post, they are making pretty much the same announcement that many other ISVs make -- when the underlying OS is no longer maintained by the OS vendor, or is in the process of being depricated, they don't make new software on it. To quote the blog:
Microsoft discontinued mainstream support for Windows 8.1 in January 2018. Mainstream support for Windows 7 support ended in 2015. For more information on Windows support, visit the Windows lifecycle fact sheet. Apple has announced macOS 10.14 (Mojave) for the fall of 2018 — and we will continue our policy of supporting the three most recent versions of MacOS.
From my career working at an ISV, these choices are perfectly reasonable, as attempting to support the old OS becomes something of a boat anchor on your ability to develop new features that rely on new features (or security constraints) in the more modern operating system. There's also the matter of dependencies -- if you are dependent upon other software, drivers, etc to make your product, if one of those vendors drops support for the OS, then all the features that depend on that in your product have to gracefully degrade, and have the code added to make it do so, which requires not only the writing of the code, but also documenting, testing and then explaining to customers. Any bug found and filed with the vendor is also very likely to be closed or fixed only in the currently supported operating systems, if it exists there at all. Only very rarely and after a lot of effort will an OS vendor fix something for an OS in the "extended support" (or whatever they call it) phase.
This isn't just an Adobe thing, or a Mac OSX thing or a Windows thing. It happens in Open Source all the time. Projects take advantage of new features that require a certain version of a library or other dependency and then "support is removed" for older versions of Linux. Do people complain about projects not supporting RHEL 5, which ended regular support in early 2017? Or RHEL 4, which ended entirely around the same time? Look at DistroWatch and see how various distros claim support for only certain versions of packages.
Hi. I'm someone who runs businesses that use, among other things, high-end creative software.
We don't buy computers to run a single piece of software. The spec for the computers we buy takes the software we want to use into account, of course. But in all my time doing this, I have never met a professional in any role whose day-to-day work was so focussed on a single application that you'd buy a whole computer just for that. For everyone else, well, no-one wants three different computers filling up their desk/office/vehicle/laptop case.
When we buy a new computer, its specification will be sufficient to run everything its user is likely to need within its expected working lifetime (or, in a few limited cases, basically the highest spec you can get today for sane amounts of money). Then we install a useful combination of software so they can do their job.
We don't use Windows 10 for anything, so any software that only runs on Windows 10 is automatically excluded from things we'll consider buying. In today's online world, the amount of business software that is more-or-less essential and has no viable competition is getting smaller all the time anyway. The idea that you still have to have the latest version of any particular piece of software just for compatibility with everyone else you collaborate with is mostly an optimistic work of fiction promoted by the people who coincidentally sell the latest version of something.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Is Not To Pay,.
Corporatism != Free Market
Have you seen the quality of the updates Microsoft has released over the last couple of years? Given how disastrous they've been, it's no wonder people refuse to apply them.
To me supporting an OS back to 2015 is still supporting "older OS'es", that was quite some time ago (in computer OS terms).
I don't think it is unreasonable, at all, for a software maker to require to have an OS no older than three to four years! That is potentially a ton of useful system libraries you are missing out on if you want to support something older.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Those laws are meant for essentially one on one situations. They aren't set up to handle 100k+ node botnets causing wide spread but often indirect harm to potentially millions of people. Individually that one person failing to secure their computer is not a major crime, but large numbers of people doing it is what allows botnets to exist. How exactly an I supposed to file a lawsuit against random joe for not running windows update? The reality is those people never get punished for mismanaging their computers. You say the vendors want it both ways but honestly it kind of looks like the users do as well. They want full control over the computer but when anything goes wrong they always pass the buck to the vendors. It's always their computer until it breaks then it's microsoft's responsibility. Right now we live in a world where nobody is truly responsible for a user's computer.
lol fag
newer is better. 10 smokes 7, anyone who thinks otherwise is pants-on-head retarded
There has been no good version of Windows since Windows 2000.
Which OS is more NSA friendly - Win 7 or Win 10?
Vaguely remember watching an interview with a lady at NSA who does IT talking about getting everyone on Windows 10, deploying 2FA and moving most of their hardware to Amazon. Now that was some funny shit.
Sorry, no. GIMP is a pig.
http://www.acetonestudio.com
About this "upgrade to an OS I absolutely loathe like Windows 10", you also have the choice to stop loathing. Your options would be less bleak if you let go of your hate.
I got tired of Adobe's subscription dunning, the non-intuitive operation, the privacy invasion... so I went ahead and wrote my own image editor. As I need new functionality, I add it.
So now I have something that is 100% intuitive for me (and for others... consistent interfaces tend to make that happen), does everything I want, won't suddenly drop support for my OS, doesn't "expire", doesn't use my personal information to shove ads at me or "share" with dubious entities, and gets bugfixes the day the bugs are discovered when the bugs are actually in my code and not the underlying OS (and even then, I tend to cook up workarounds ASAP.)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I've used ACD Canvas (formerly Deneba Canvas) for years. It has the equivalent of probably 50-60% of PS, nearly all (or more) of AI, publication tools though nowhere near InDesign, basic web stuff, and now GIS capability (which appeared in v.9 but didn't become fully useful until about 14). Any object type can be freely intermixed in any layer, and image effects can be applied to vector objects. Unfortunately, for new users, it's horribly expensive (around $800US), though they're happy to do commercial deals for large orders and have traditionally been reasonable about upgrades (though after 17, with the subscription push, that last is now questionable). And since 15 it has to call home before you can use it (so it doesn't work right in Wine any more). Since 17 came out they've been pushing the subscription thing too, though they'll still sell you a copy. IMO the sweet spot for Canvas was probably 15, before they dropped PS plugin support and some ancient file format compatibility in the process of going to 64-bit (the latter being of little consequence; it did increase the ability to handle large projects, but it's still not very multithreaded so some tools can lock things up for a long time with one CPU core maximized). Anyway: it's another option, sort of a swiss army knife package, and I find it fairly easy to use.
Just use old versions of Photoshop and other offerings from Adobe. Is there really something new in any of their stuff that you can't live without?
It's time we stop supporting companies who no longer wants to support us.
Adobe switched from having their own dolby codec to using the built in OS codecs so they could save a few $ in licensing. So I haven't been able to use the most up to date versions on windows 7 for a year or so now. Toss in that they upped the monthly price and I think it's time to ditch them. If they switched to the monthly charges with the excuse that we will always have the most up to date version, then I don't feel bad replacing a .dll, cancelling my subscription and forgoing updates.
LibreOffice (and probably OpenOffice, and others based on them) does open Visio files. It claims to open more of them (to older Visio versions) than Visio. I haven't tried it, since I seldom get Visio files, but it's worth checking out. Given that LO opens more Word and Excel file versions than Word and Excel do, I wouldn't be surprised if the Visio import works as well too. Visio documents, like PDFs opened in LO, go into the Draw component, which can be a little annoying if you're hoping to plug it into a text document.
As for PDFs in general, I tend to use generic viewers like Sumatra in Windows and the default viewer in Linux for general work. But it's correct that not everything works there: for forms, I revert to Real Adobe Reader in Windows or Wine, which requires a recent (so far, 7 and up) version. To avoid problems, it's necessary that Adobe Reader's preferences be adjusted to exclude use of Document Cloud if you want to work with local files.
The definition of what "old OS" means has moved up over the years.
Thanks to mobile, three years is indeed QUITE old at this point. If you are developing an IOS project having to support a version of IOS older than three years would be quite limiting, and mean that you could not compete very well against software that did not feel the need to add those shackles.
Now the desktop OS area is not so bad, but even there over the last few years Apple has added some significant frameworks to OSX that would mean either a lot of parallel development or leaving a lot of performance on the table if you refuse to use updated or new frameworks in an OS.
That doesn't help anyone, because if you look at for example at os updates something like 95% of people are on a three year old version of OSX or newer... that in turn is because the HARDWARE still supports the latest OS going back to at least mid 2010, my Mackbook Pro 17" from that time still can use the latest OS. That is *eight* years now, I mean at what point do you personally define an OS version as old? That's a pretty old computer now but I could still use Adobe CC on it easily.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
For your records, I rolled back to Windows 7 two weeks ago, after losing support from the OS to perfectly functional hardware by the second time. (First HDTV PCIex board, then my MICROSOFT Webcam!).
Every Major W10 update crippled some kind of older hardware. I will stay on Windows 7 as long as possible, I don't intend to throw money out of the window just for the sake of having the latest OS.
Mofos, as I've said.
I'll grant you that in a professional environment forced updates are not good but for a home user I think they're more good than bad. In my experience doing tech support both professionally and privately for friends and family home users didn't install updates the vast majority of times. Some times going years without installing updates. Often I was asked to fix problems that we caused by not having installed those updates. Microsoft gave the average user the benefit of the doubt for 20 years and the majority of them proved to be incapable of managing their own computer.
Riddle me this mr windows 10 user. Why are windows 10 machines apart of botnets If it's so flawless? The OS doesn't matter. The updates don't matter. People who do stupid shit get dirty. It will always be this way.
Ohhhh great come back. I guess that makes his right then since you can't refute what he said. Good job AC, your true colors show.
Personal opinions hold no weight around here.
What? Fuck off you shill. You know nothing of slashdot.
Well said. Mod +1
Yes, beside me, hoards of people are opting out of Adobe's Create Cloud platform. Users don't seem to like the concept and want to own their software and not be dependent on the Internet to run it.
And Fusion 9 is free. But before you go running after Fusion 9, you should know that the entire Fusion 9 product is crammed into Davinci Resolve 15, which is also free software (for now).
As to Sketch and Pixelmator, neither of those are available for Windows. Or Linux. You have to pony up and pay the Mac tax and then also pay the Sketch tax.
Update: Apparently a free version of Sketch exists for Windows called Lunacy that can read and write .sketch files. But it's not created/maintained by the authors of Sketch and isn't open source but is free. So I don't how I feel about those things. However, I do love the fact there is already a portable app version so I can try it without munging up my Windows registry. I've been getting annoyed at Google and all the other hipster designers out there publishing ".sketch" files assuming that everyone can open them when 82% of the sane world runs Windows. So the name Lunacy fits somehow.
Gonna be checking out Affinity Photo soon though. Photoshop CS3 Extended hasn't worked properly for me since I left WinXP. For example, if you click and hold for a few seconds on the color palette in the color picker dialog in Vista and later, Windows will decide after a few seconds that Photoshop is unresponsive and will screw up the dialog too. The same problem occurs with the Lasso tool when working with larger areas of an image.
I'm a long-time user of Adobe products, but this is getting me to the point where I don't ever want to do business with them anymore. I was willing to go to the subscription model because honestly, it cost less than upgrading often, over time. But I have no desire to keep paying them in a situation where I'm not getting software updates from them (my Macbook Pro is fine, I usually update the OS on that regularly), but my workstation at the office is Win7 and the company has no inclination to upgrade it. I've found good replacements for most of the Adobe software (I'm a developer/designer by profession) - I migrated my code editor from Dreamweaver to VS Code (honestly, DW is falling behind the curve with syntax highlighting, especially on newer languages/frameworks like React), but I miss the design view for previewing and for when I quickly need to put together a visual. Does anyone have good replacement advice for the following: Dreamweaver, Photoshop, Illustrator? Replacements would preferably run on both Windows and Mac, since my work computer is Windows and my personal one is Mac.
If I can find good replacements, I'll be giving Adobe the heave-ho.
I have no problem with making automatic updates the default if that is likely to be the best action for users. It might be a reasonable position to take with Home editions of Windows, for example.
It's the forced aspect and the lack of clear controls for those who do know what they're doing that I object to. Microsoft would have a lot more credibility in my eyes right now if they had defaulted to updates on for Home, security updates only for Pro and nothing automatically installed locally because you assume it will all be centrally managed for Enterprise, and if they offered a clear way to change that behaviour to any of the other relevant possibilities in all editions.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Straw man much? When did I say it was flawless.
End of support for operating systems has to come at some point. You cannot expect software developers to support you if you want to run out of date operating systems of browsers.
Those laws are meant for essentially one on one situations. They aren't set up to handle 100k+ node botnets causing wide spread but often indirect harm to potentially millions of people.
That's the point. MS is the one entity that is responsible/liale (for Win OS, Apple is likewise responsible/liable for macOS, etc) since they effectively own & control the computer by taking the ability to manage the OS away from the users.
At this point, the last of their non-CC versions should be near free. We're still conflating the infinitely replicable with tangible goods, right?
...
I'm running a creative business, and our designers are empowered to do their work with few exceptions. We recently decided not to allow the use of ink or measurement aids, because they upset me.
We were doing really well, but recently we haven't been able to compete effectively and are losing out to our competitors who are allowed to use ink and measurement aids. But I'm not giving in!
That's what you're really saying when you decide that you'll use Windows (as opposed to macOS), but not Windows 10. If you're a smart business owner, you'll consider the wider issues, like the impact on staff performance of using alternative tooling, etc. rather than carte blanche exclusions on specific tools.
That's what you're really saying when you decide that you'll use Windows (as opposed to macOS), but not Windows 10.
Except for the part where ink and measurement aids actually help you to do your job, while Windows 10 has no apparent advantage for anything we've ever wanted to do and comes with multiple serious disadvantages in terms of reliability, security and privacy.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
This is what a monopoly does, they have cornered their core market and don't have to care about competition.
Man, just upgrade. Win 10 will be about 30% faster. It's noticeably faster. I have a laptop and they changed it from 7 to 10 and I'm amazed at how much faster it is. I know, I know... but (insert a bunch of BS that we always see with win upgrades). Suck it up dude, upgrade and I'm a Linux guy that sometimes has to use Windows. So I really don't care which version of Win I use as long as it works.
... like Mint, Ubuntu, and Arch.
Rudyard Kipling wrote
IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: –
"We invaded you last night – we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
***
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_danegeld.htm
CAPTCHA: "abhorred"
Please review the blog posts by Adobe here: http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlsp... and here: https://theblog.adobe.com/upco... Note that Windows 7 x64 SP1 continues to be supported for the next release of Adobe products.
So far Lightroom is the best photo organizer/editor/tweaker I've used. I bought it full price, paid for upgrades, and still use it when I take photos. But I'm not interested in anything cloud (I store/backup my photos locally and do offline editing) and as an amateur I don't want to pay ~$250/year for something I use intensively maybe once a quarter. Adobe has made it clear the knowledgeable occasional user isn't a customer they want to chase/support. When the standalone version stops working on my up-to-date Mac I'll move to something else not as good, probably Luminar.
I was pretty pissed off when Adobe made the initial Creative Cloud-only announcement, but by the time it dies I will have gotten 8-10 years of Lightroom for $300-$500 and that's actually pretty good value for money. I'll be sad because I'll have to migrate to something probably not as good, but at that point I'll be done with Adobe having already stopped using Photoshop. Illustrator, and Premier. Hopefully I won't miss them too much.
Right, and for "benefit commensurate with expenditure" Microsoft should be paying the poor people who use Windows 10 for doing so. It doesn't (I think you agree with me, while child comments don't) provide useful new functionality for the most part, removes *lots* of functionality in the form of shitty "apps" that are inconsistent with other parts of the OS and its settings, places what is effectively ad-ware in your paid-for product, and collects information in a non-negotiable manner.
It's pretty easy to see *who* exactly is receiving benefit from this "upgrade"...