Actually there was an expansion pack for the first one. Well, not technically a ex. pack in that it wasn't sold seperately. It came withe the UK gold edition of SP1. I saw it once online and was going to download it as I can not buy it here in canada.
It got a 34% rating on rot tomatoes. That's horrible. Butterfly effect is one of my most enjoyed movies of last year. Even Ashton is fine in the movie, and I wasn't sure if had a performance like this in him.
I read that because of all the bad reviews he cancelled all of his appearances on letterman etc, and it's probably the reason he went right back to stupid comedies.
I practically had to twist a good friends arm to rent this as he saw the rating rotten tomatoes gave this.
But hey, it taught me a lesson, any time I'm interested in seeing a movie but not too sure if it would be good I think of this movie.
What I trust more is imdb user rating which btw gave But. Effect 7.6/10 from 23,000 votes. Ya, you could argue that imdb votes are more likely people who liked the film, but I'll take that over a bunch of pretentious crtics any day.
I install various distros from time to time so I like to update the mbr from familar territory, my main deb install. So can I tell the unbuntu install to not write to the mbr and let me do it manually from my other install where I will add it so I can keep my various os's in the list?
Also, if I let it write to the mbr, does it make any attempt to see other's os (like win 98/xp) and maybe other distros? Or does it just blindly add it own?
I always thought it was one cd a la knoppix. What is the hurdle of not being able to have both on the same cd?
And I checked the cd's they mail to you are the install cds. I thought the bonus of handing these out would be to be able to tell people 'don't worry, won't install anything, just try it out!' And then if they wanted to do so there would be an install option after checking it out.
Regarding this question: Apparently this means that Ubuntu will not work with general debian apt repositories. Is this true?
His response didn't clear this situation up for me. From what I understand, they take a snapshot of (all?) deb sid packages every six months and make them their own for ubuntu.
So within that 6 month window if a package enters sid that is not currently in ubuntu, and I'd like to have the package and enable the sid sources, is everything still going to behave? I'd think you could get away with some programs, but if in turn some libs start getting updated from sid I could see problems.
So what's the deal on this? Anyone have experiences with mixing sources or have you found there's no need as ubuntu has all of sid? Also in between the 6 month cycle. Do they upgrade their packages faster than sid sometimes? Besides the obvious gnome, x.org etc.
This is seems pretty much like a button relabeling/shuffling. What really erks me with gimp is every tool having it's own window. I like having a parent window with everything else being a sub window with all tools staying 'above' the opened images. And tab was always handy to hide everything but the window of the image so you could just work on the image at hand with the current tool selected without being encumbered with all the clutter of the tool/layers windows etc.
I've tried to have a somewhat similar environment with having all the gimp tools in one workspace and the image in another but it's just not the same.
And I've seen this mentioned before with stating why an MDI interface is inferior. Well, it's hard to swallow something you know you don't like after multiple attempts at getting used to it, no matter who tells you 'no what you've liked all this time, no no, that way is no good, this is the way.'
But, from what I understand, this functionality is beyond most (all?) current window managers for X.
What you quoted mentions that no one character is the star, but the first sin city Marv was the central character and it was a great story. I was a comic nut back then and collected all the dark horse presents issues to get the complete sin city story and enjoyed every page of it, and later repurchased it in the reprinted graphic novel. Whereas the followup sin city stories didn't grab me nearly as much as the first.
So even though the trailer looks amazing and I am really excited to see it, I'm kinda disappointed that it is going to encompass the first 3 sin city books. Esp with the great ending of the first sin city, I'm curious as to how they will blend that in with the other stories.
And your comment of how pulp was the freshest original thing since ever, well I had that same feeling but it was for reservoir dogs. Even though I did enjoy pulp immensely, it's reservoir dogs that blew me away and I'm glad I caught that in the theatre and I remember at that time going on about the movie to anyone who'd listen.
Funny how the explosion with tarintino with pulp happened in america, whereas the same media frenzy already occurred for tarintino with reservoir dogs in the UK.
I want to start programming, and considering of of these. One thing I didn't like about mono is the programs I have tried seem to take a fair amount of memory. I realize as one runs more apps concurrently the hit is not as bad but the first one launched can take around 50 megs of ram. Python doesn't seem to suffer from this and also is available on many platforms.
So why would one take one over the other? I mainly want to develop gtk apps.
I notice broadvoice has a 9.95 rate for just in state.
This is something I would like in Canada say province wide. Vonage is already available here but is 34.95 (last I checked) but that's includes all of north america.
I don't really make much long distance calls so I'd like something competitive for just local with voip.
Is there any provider for something like this providing service in Canada?
Hmm, sdl doesn't work for me. Can't get this to go with sound. Btw, I use dmix for sound mixing so not sure if something in my.asoundrc file is causing probs.
Hey thanks, that looks great. And nope, I have no qualms using a console based one as long as the functionality is there. I'll definately give this one a look.
Yep sorry I'm wrong on the bitornado thing requiring mysql. Can't recall which one I was thinking of there. But the above post telling me all the features I named are already in the new official. Hmmm, I'll have to have a look but I don't think that's the case.
I've tried to like azureus, and I actually still use it as there is pretty much no alternative gui wise in linux, but I really wish there was.
Basically it brings my system to a crawl. Java vm (and yes i'm on 1.5) feels like a pig imo. We need a native gtk/qt gui that's in c/c++.
And please don't be a smartass and point out there is the basic gui that the official comes with. It's way too lacking. AFAIK, the only way to throttle is by using the ncurses one. Never mind that you can't set ratio's (I set all of mine to 1:1.), or bind all torrents to one port instead of needing all open. Pretty much all of the other clients do that now, except the official so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
So as you see, there are quite a few things lacking in the official client. I've checked freshmeat periodically but couldn't find anything for linux. I know there is bitorrando and some others but they require access to a mysql server wtf?
My windows friends used to use azureus and didn't fair much better performance wise but now they pretty much all use bitcomet.
I don't mean to knock the azureus team, cause as it is they've made a pretty good functional gui, but java just brings the performance down too much.
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With all this talk of voip here and there, I've never understood how the actual conversion from ip to pots actually takes place.
Basically I want to know how these companies do it. How do the perform this termination service? How small a scale could one do this himself?
Back when I'd install office 97 in win98. I'd just install word and excell as thats all I'd need.
Well now I'm in debian and I went to see what OO had to offer. But 180 megs for the install. Too big for just a word processor and a spreedsheet. You say it offers more? Fine, but I don't want more.
Also, I read somewhere that Open Office is unusual in that it copies a whole lot of crap to one home where in the end, in effect the user has practically installed the thing to their home. Is this correct?
Everytime chess gets mentioned on/. (ok I know it's a go story but you know the comparisons will start) I like to post a link to this short story written by Arthur C. Clarke. I originally found the story through someone else's/. post
http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/learn/html/e. 8.2.shtml
Ok, I rebooted in windows just to make sure I'm not stating things incorrectly. Yes alt f does not dismiss the menu, what I was trying to say was I was searching for the toggle key in gnome, since it wasn't alt, I thought that since alt-f got me there it might get me out, only escape gets me out. Again toggles are a good thing.
And when I was saying about getting to other menu's via hotkeys I meant that in windows I can hit the alt key and then I had the option of either arrowing over to another menu or press it's hotkey. In gnome, once I press alt f, I'm stuck in that menu expect for escaping with the arrow keys. Yes the same holds true for windows except that there is alt key in the first place to get in the top level of the menus and the user can either use the hotkey or arrow keys. From another users reply I've found that f10 is giving me the functionality I want in both linux and windows, too bad of it's position though.
I understand your logic on something being a modifier and not to be used exclusively. But then I ask the question, why not? Why not add functionality to a key if it makes a user more efficient. For ex. another windows thing I'm used to is windows key - e launches windows explorer. Now, look at that, here is a key that is not normally a modifier but yet has some functions associated with it to use it as a modifier.(Also windows key m to minimize all apps) I tried setting up the same thing in gnome but it won't let you use the windows key as a modifier. I also never knew about f10 and that might come in handy and I appreciate that but it's location alone might not make that too useful.
Regarding launching something and leave it. Hmm I do some system intensive things like vid capture/encoding and gasp! some gaming in linux like enemy territory and doom3. So I'm not going to leave a bunch of apps when these apps need all the resources you can give them.
...because from a usability standpoint, the Windows GUI sucks the most of all, and we should not be cloning it
Hmm, I can't really agree there. There's lots of things wrong with windows, but there is a lot of things they have done right in the gui.
It's seems too many linux devs detest windows to the point where they don't allow themselves to see what they have done right.
We should be thinking embrace and expand whenever it's appropriate. We should look at what they have done right and benefit from it.
Here are some examples I find of things that just should not exist at this point. In these examples I'm talking about gnome.
1) Remembering windows size/positions. This drives me nuts. I've read that the reasoning behind this is for the most efficient use of the desktop (e.g. you launch a 2nd term and it positions itself beside the 1st term instead of overlapping). Sounds good, but in practice it makes me a less efficient user. Back in my windows days, I liked that whenever I launched the file browser it was always in the same position where I left it. I could rely on this and be ready to click whereever I needed. Same with the file dialog, calculator or whereever. I EXPECTED them to be in a certain position and thus I could work faster/more efficiently. I think maybe a compromise on this would be the default should be that gnome remembers size/position for all apps unless the developer of an app explicitly coded an app not to follow this behaviour. So the wm is the default unless the app says otherwise. I can see the benefit of autopositioning maybe with terms, but for most other apps it just makes me slower and gets in the way. As it stands I feel like I never know where an app will be when it launches.
2). Hot keys. For the love of god can someone fix hotkeys in gnome! Ok again this is coming from a windows background but bare with me. I was used to the alt key toggling the menu of whatever is the active app. Toggles are good, they are efficient and I believe intuitive. Just like play/pause on almost every player that exists. Ok so when I first used gnome, no alt hotkey toggle. Ok fair enough, I have to actually press alt f, but then I try alt f again to get out of the menu and nothing. I have to press escape to get out of the menu. Ok ignoring that, once I'm in the menu the other hot keys are rendered useless. Go ahead try it, press alt f, and then press alt e to get to say edit. Nothing. This is clunky. Once you are in the menu only the arrow keys navigate the menu's.
I work for a company testing applications and a key thing we look at is the hotkey placement of apps as when employees are using apps everyday all day, you want those hotkeys to be laid out efficiently as possible. So sometimes once in a menu it's quicker to just left arrow over once but sometimes it's less keystrokes to use the hotkey while in the menu.
I was going to go on about the menu functionality with gnome but I'm going on too much. You might say it sounds like I want kde but there are many more things about kde I don't like over gnome, and I appreciate the streamlined environment of gnome over kde.
Now you might say I was conditioned to the windows way of things. But really look at what I said above about say the hot keys. Which system is the more efficient. I'm talking number of keystrokes here and navigation.
It erks me when people say just flat out say the windows gui suck most of the time. On my thought of embrace and expand. I think there should be a document really analysing what windows has done right, and if they have done it right, why would we or would we NOT implement it.
Cause face it, ff made it really on two things: blocking pop ups and tabbed browsing. With security being a third thing but really people don't immediately see that.
If microsoft patched ie to stop popups and hacked in tabbed browsing I don't think as many would have switched to ff. It's not like we would get many converts with 'Look! It open source and standards compliant!!'
Thanks microsoft for dropping the ball on this, and whatever your smoking up there in redmond, keep smoking it.
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Actually there was an expansion pack for the first one. Well, not technically a ex. pack in that it wasn't sold seperately. It came withe the UK gold edition of SP1. I saw it once online and was going to download it as I can not buy it here in canada.
It got a 34% rating on rot tomatoes. That's horrible. Butterfly effect is one of my most enjoyed movies of last year. Even Ashton is fine in the movie, and I wasn't sure if had a performance like this in him.
I read that because of all the bad reviews he cancelled all of his appearances on letterman etc, and it's probably the reason he went right back to stupid comedies.
I practically had to twist a good friends arm to rent this as he saw the rating rotten tomatoes gave this.
But hey, it taught me a lesson, any time I'm interested in seeing a movie but not too sure if it would be good I think of this movie.
What I trust more is imdb user rating which btw gave But. Effect 7.6/10 from 23,000 votes.
Ya, you could argue that imdb votes are more likely people who liked the film, but I'll take that over a bunch of pretentious crtics any day.
I install various distros from time to time so I like to update the mbr from familar territory, my main deb install. So can I tell the unbuntu install to not write to the mbr and let me do it manually from my other install where I will add it so I can keep my various os's in the list? Also, if I let it write to the mbr, does it make any attempt to see other's os (like win 98/xp) and maybe other distros? Or does it just blindly add it own?
I always thought it was one cd a la knoppix. What is the hurdle of not being able to have both on the same cd?
And I checked the cd's they mail to you are the install cds. I thought the bonus of handing these out would be to be able to tell people 'don't worry, won't install anything, just try it out!' And then if they wanted to do so there would be an install option after checking it out.
Any plans to unify the live and install cd?
That's pretty much what I pay for regular service. One of the big pushes of voip is the national calling, but for me 99.9% of my calls are local.
Is there any voip service in canada that can really save you money over traditional local service?
When I see less than 5 bucks savings I think it's not worth the hassle. Plus the headaches of qos, e911 etc, it's gotta be worthwhile to switch.
Well, when I hear masters of the universe I think of He-man ;)
Regarding this question:
Apparently this means that Ubuntu will not work with general debian apt repositories. Is this true?
His response didn't clear this situation up for me.
From what I understand, they take a snapshot of (all?) deb sid packages every six months and make them their own for ubuntu.
So within that 6 month window if a package enters sid that is not currently in ubuntu, and I'd like to have the package and enable the sid sources, is everything still going to behave? I'd think you could get away with some programs, but if in turn some libs start getting updated from sid I could see problems.
So what's the deal on this? Anyone have experiences with mixing sources or have you found there's no need as ubuntu has all of sid? Also in between the 6 month cycle. Do they upgrade their packages faster than sid sometimes? Besides the obvious gnome, x.org etc.
This is seems pretty much like a button relabeling/shuffling. What really erks me with gimp is every tool having it's own window. I like having a parent window with everything else being a sub window with all tools staying 'above' the opened images. And tab was always handy to hide everything but the window of the image so you could just work on the image at hand with the current tool selected without being encumbered with all the clutter of the tool/layers windows etc.
I've tried to have a somewhat similar environment with having all the gimp tools in one workspace and the image in another but it's just not the same.
And I've seen this mentioned before with stating why an MDI interface is inferior. Well, it's hard to swallow something you know you don't like after multiple attempts at getting used to it, no matter who tells you 'no what you've liked all this time, no no, that way is no good, this is the way.'
But, from what I understand, this functionality is beyond most (all?) current window managers for X.
What you quoted mentions that no one character is the star, but the first sin city Marv was the central character and it was a great story. I was a comic nut back then and collected all the dark horse presents issues to get the complete sin city story and enjoyed every page of it, and later repurchased it in the reprinted graphic novel. Whereas the followup sin city stories didn't grab me nearly as much as the first.
So even though the trailer looks amazing and I am really excited to see it, I'm kinda disappointed that it is going to encompass the first 3 sin city books. Esp with the great ending of the first sin city, I'm curious as to how they will blend that in with the other stories.
And your comment of how pulp was the freshest original thing since ever, well I had that same feeling but it was for reservoir dogs. Even though I did enjoy pulp immensely, it's reservoir dogs that blew me away and I'm glad I caught that in the theatre and I remember at that time going on about the movie to anyone who'd listen.
Funny how the explosion with tarintino with pulp happened in america, whereas the same media frenzy already occurred for tarintino with reservoir dogs in the UK.
Btw, I'm not from UK, I'm from Canada.
I want to start programming, and considering of of these. One thing I didn't like about mono is the programs I have tried seem to take a fair amount of memory. I realize as one runs more apps concurrently the hit is not as bad but the first one launched can take around 50 megs of ram. Python doesn't seem to suffer from this and also is available on many platforms.
So why would one take one over the other? I mainly want to develop gtk apps.
I notice broadvoice has a 9.95 rate for just in state.
This is something I would like in Canada say province wide. Vonage is already available here but is 34.95 (last I checked) but that's includes all of north america.
I don't really make much long distance calls so I'd like something competitive for just local with voip.
Is there any provider for something like this providing service in Canada?
This stuff sounds really interesting. I've never heard of this myself before. Any links explaining how this works?
Hmm, sdl doesn't work for me. Can't get this to go with sound. Btw, I use dmix for sound mixing so not sure if something in my .asoundrc file is causing probs.
Hey thanks, that looks great. And nope, I have no qualms using a console based one as long as the functionality is there. I'll definately give this one a look.
Yep sorry I'm wrong on the bitornado thing requiring mysql. Can't recall which one I was thinking of there. But the above post telling me all the features I named are already in the new official. Hmmm, I'll have to have a look but I don't think that's the case.
I've tried to like azureus, and I actually still use it as there is pretty much no alternative gui wise in linux, but I really wish there was.
Basically it brings my system to a crawl. Java vm (and yes i'm on 1.5) feels like a pig imo. We need a native gtk/qt gui that's in c/c++.
And please don't be a smartass and point out there is the basic gui that the official comes with. It's way too lacking. AFAIK, the only way to throttle is by using the ncurses one. Never mind that you can't set ratio's (I set all of mine to 1:1.), or bind all torrents to one port instead of needing all open. Pretty much all of the other clients do that now, except the official so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
So as you see, there are quite a few things lacking in the official client. I've checked freshmeat periodically but couldn't find anything for linux. I know there is bitorrando and some others but they require access to a mysql server wtf?
My windows friends used to use azureus and didn't fair much better performance wise but now they pretty much all use bitcomet.
I don't mean to knock the azureus team, cause as it is they've made a pretty good functional gui, but java just brings the performance down too much.
With all this talk of voip here and there, I've never understood how the actual conversion from ip to pots actually takes place.
Basically I want to know how these companies do it. How do the perform this termination service? How small a scale could one do this himself?
That Yahoo is worth twice as much as General Motors. What did yahoo do that's so great. I mean look at how they looked in 95.
http://promo.yahoo.com/birthday10/incorporation/
It's just a bunch of links. I thought they'd die after the bubble burst, but
I guess you can never underestimate the power of being first.
Back when I'd install office 97 in win98. I'd just install word and excell as thats all I'd need.
Well now I'm in debian and I went to see what OO had to offer. But 180 megs for the install. Too big for just a word processor and a spreedsheet. You say it offers more? Fine, but I don't want more.
Also, I read somewhere that Open Office is unusual in that it copies a whole lot of crap to one home where in the end, in effect the user has practically installed the thing to their home. Is this correct?
Everytime chess gets mentioned on /. (ok I know it's a go story but you know the comparisons will start) I like to post a link to this short story written by Arthur C. Clarke. I originally found the story through someone else's /. post
http://www.research.ibm.com/deepblue/learn/html/e. 8.2.shtml
Like Peek, Tammet will read anything and everything, but his favourite book is a good dictionary
Thats just too damn funny. Peek btw, is buddy from rain man.
Ok, I rebooted in windows just to make sure I'm not stating things incorrectly. Yes alt f does not dismiss the menu, what I was trying to say was I was searching for the toggle key in gnome, since it wasn't alt, I thought that since alt-f got me there it might get me out, only escape gets me out. Again toggles are a good thing.
And when I was saying about getting to other menu's via hotkeys I meant that in windows I can hit the alt key and then I had the option of either arrowing over to another menu or press it's hotkey. In gnome, once I press alt f, I'm stuck in that menu expect for escaping with the arrow keys. Yes the same holds true for windows except that there is alt key in the first place to get in the top level of the menus and the user can either use the hotkey or arrow keys. From another users reply I've found that f10 is giving me the functionality I want in both linux and windows, too bad of it's position though.
I understand your logic on something being a modifier and not to be used exclusively. But then I ask the question, why not? Why not add functionality to a key if it makes a user more efficient. For ex. another windows thing I'm used to is windows key - e launches windows explorer. Now, look at that, here is a key that is not normally a modifier but yet has some functions associated with it to use it as a modifier.(Also windows key m to minimize all apps) I tried setting up the same thing in gnome but it won't let you use the windows key as a modifier. I also never knew about f10 and that might come in handy and I appreciate that but it's location alone might not make that too useful.
Regarding launching something and leave it. Hmm I do some system intensive things like vid capture/encoding and gasp! some gaming in linux like enemy territory and doom3. So I'm not going to leave a bunch of apps when these apps need all the resources you can give them.
...because from a usability standpoint, the Windows GUI sucks the most of all, and we should not be cloning it
Hmm, I can't really agree there. There's lots of things wrong with windows, but there is a lot of things they have done right in the gui.
It's seems too many linux devs detest windows to the point where they don't allow themselves to see what they have done right. We should be thinking embrace and expand whenever it's appropriate. We should look at what they have done right and benefit from it.
Here are some examples I find of things that just should not exist at this point. In these examples I'm talking about gnome.
1) Remembering windows size/positions. This drives me nuts. I've read that the reasoning behind this is for the most efficient use of the desktop (e.g. you launch a 2nd term and it positions itself beside the 1st term instead of overlapping). Sounds good, but in practice it makes me a less efficient user. Back in my windows days, I liked that whenever I launched the file browser it was always in the same position where I left it. I could rely on this and be ready to click whereever I needed. Same with the file dialog, calculator or whereever. I EXPECTED them to be in a certain position and thus I could work faster/more efficiently. I think maybe a compromise on this would be the default should be that gnome remembers size/position for all apps unless the developer of an app explicitly coded an app not to follow this behaviour. So the wm is the default unless the app says otherwise. I can see the benefit of autopositioning maybe with terms, but for most other apps it just makes me slower and gets in the way. As it stands I feel like I never know where an app will be when it launches.
2). Hot keys. For the love of god can someone fix hotkeys in gnome! Ok again this is coming from a windows background but bare with me. I was used to the alt key toggling the menu of whatever is the active app. Toggles are good, they are efficient and I believe intuitive. Just like play/pause on almost every player that exists. Ok so when I first used gnome, no alt hotkey toggle. Ok fair enough, I have to actually press alt f, but then I try alt f again to get out of the menu and nothing. I have to press escape to get out of the menu. Ok ignoring that, once I'm in the menu the other hot keys are rendered useless. Go ahead try it, press alt f, and then press alt e to get to say edit. Nothing. This is clunky. Once you are in the menu only the arrow keys navigate the menu's.
I work for a company testing applications and a key thing we look at is the hotkey placement of apps as when employees are using apps everyday all day, you want those hotkeys to be laid out efficiently as possible. So sometimes once in a menu it's quicker to just left arrow over once but sometimes it's less keystrokes to use the hotkey while in the menu.
I was going to go on about the menu functionality with gnome but I'm going on too much. You might say it sounds like I want kde but there are many more things about kde I don't like over gnome, and I appreciate the streamlined environment of gnome over kde.
Now you might say I was conditioned to the windows way of things. But really look at what I said above about say the hot keys. Which system is the more efficient. I'm talking number of keystrokes here and navigation.
It erks me when people say just flat out say the windows gui suck most of the time. On my thought of embrace and expand. I think there should be a document really analysing what windows has done right, and if they have done it right, why would we or would we NOT implement it.
Cause face it, ff made it really on two things: blocking pop ups and tabbed browsing. With security being a third thing but really people don't immediately see that.
If microsoft patched ie to stop popups and hacked in tabbed browsing I don't think as many would have switched to ff. It's not like we would get many converts with 'Look! It open source and standards compliant!!'
Thanks microsoft for dropping the ball on this, and whatever your smoking up there in redmond, keep smoking it.