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Rodriguez uses Linux to Edge out ILM
An anonymous reader writes "A Linux device helped legendary independent filmmaker Robert Rodriguez (El Mariachi, Desperado, Spy Kids, Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and others) win the race with ILM (Industrial Light and Magic) to create the first movie ever to use a digital format supporting full-bandwidth RGB. Rodriguez's Sin City, which opens April 1, was shot in Dual Link, or "4:4:4" format, and transferred between tapes and hard drives using SpectSoft's Linux-based RaveHD DDR (digital disk recorder)."
I would bet that a lot of the digital effects used in this film were rendered and perhaps even designed with Linux. If they were done with Windows they would have used a blue screen.
was shot in Dual Link, or "4:4:4" format
Uhm... what?
Linux was vital to this project. As we all know, if it were Windows-based, the RGB mode would be 0:0:4, more commonly known to the industry as "blue screen".
Rodriguez's Sin City,
Actually, its Frank Miller's Sin City. IMHO the writer is more important than the director.
"For Great Justice."
...and they've come out with a fucking 3D format! Things get obsolete so fast. How does it look? 4:4:4 seems a little boxy (Or should I say cubey?) for panoramas, but I guess the third dimension really makes you forget that.
Wow, that explains how vibrant the reds, greens, and blues look in black and white!
Les Miserables Volume 1 now up with my reading of
"It's really the same as 1:1:1," explains Howard. "It just means 'take RGB, break it up, send part of it down one wire, and part down the other wire.'"
The compromises in traditional Y'CbCr formats were designed to minimize perceptual loss, keying on the human eye's varying sensitivity to luminescence at various color frequencies. We are most sensitive to brightness in green light, less so in reds, and least with blue. This explains why studios often shoot against a "greenscreen" -- Y'CbCr has most information about green, so it's the easiest color for a software program to identify and replace.
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I hear George Lucas uses Outlook Express. Or rather, he has his assistant use it, and read the messages to him. He doesn't even know how to check his email.
I've had unreasonably high hopes for "Sin City" ever since I watched that fabulous trailer. But it's not like graphic novels-turned-movies have impeccable track records on the big screen, so imagine my concern going into this.
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For lack of a more eloquent explanation, "Sin City" freaking rules.
Remember the first time you saw "Pulp Fiction"? You were unnerved and at times downright repelled, but you admitted that it was the freshest, most original thing to be put into a theater since... ever, and you couldn't wait to talk about how amazing it was with everyone you knew? "Sin City" is kind of like that.
http://sarahlane.typepad.com/sarahword/2005/03/ce
1. Is "Sin City" a family movie?
- Heavens no. It's incredibly graphic and gruesome. I know YOU'RE into that, but don't bring the kids.
6. Does the all-star cast detract from the story at all?
- Refreshingly, no. No one character is the main star, it's more like a bunch of supporting roles. Great supporting roles. These actors are stoked.
8. Are we talking CG animation or live action?
- Almost all the live action was done with green screens and props, then the magic was painted in later. It's amazing.
10. I was pleased to see lots of hot chicks in the trailer. Can I expect more of that?
- You sure can, my friend! But they'll also chop your head off. Literally.
the website remindes me of the game max payne .. how is it connected?
I agree. With software such as Maya and RaveHD on the market anyone with a creative mind and some tech savviness can creat just like ILM. For instance, just look at all the great indie films you can find freely on the web, there is amazing stuff going on without the need for an old powerhouse like ILM.
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Is the movie es "good" as the previous work of Rodriguez? I'm cheap... but movies are too expensive these days, and last movies are... uhm... not completely master pieces.
yes, because ILM was much more than just a render farm. Teams of talented artists, model makers and engineers have kept them relevent.
Incidentally, another distinction earned by Rodriguez during the making of Sin City, is that he joined George Lucas and others who have been kicked out of the Director's Guild. Rodriguez's offense, Howard says, was working with a co-director -- Sin City comic book creator Frank Miller -- who doesn't belong to the Guild.
I know it's slightly offtopic, but Robert Rodriguez wasn't kicked out of the DGA. He quit because they wouldn't allow him to credit Frank Miller as a co-director.
Kudos to him, I say.
Seems they could've chosen a more impressive set to show off their technology :/
Whatever. Maya + RaveHD does not make you a visual effects facility capable of turning out 300 shots in a post production schedule of 7 months.
Just like having a copy of the GIMP doesn't make you into one of the leading creative ad agencies in the world. It takes a mix of talent, skill, experience and tools to be the top of your field.
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Jeez, can't a person speak his mind, even if he has bad grammer and not be persecuted...
With all due respect to the writer of the article, in practical terms, I'm not sure what this means to the viewer of the film . . . Does this mean that the colors/details look better, or that there are less losses in color/detail during the application of digital effects, or is this fairly immaterial to the end viewer and will the end product look pretty much the same as 4:2:2 work?
And to extend the question beyond the big screen, will this make a difference in the DVD transfer of this film, or will any benefit be negated by losses during DVD transfer?
I for one welcome our Red Green and Blue, Sin City overlords.
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No, this shit has to stop.
I can't believe how much I look forward to see Sin City. It's going to be a classic. I'm as hyped and pumped about it as Robert Hamburger is pumped about ninjas.
get out much ?
didn't think so, ever wonder why ?
with the rise of even schools having massive renderfarms
Why do you equate computing horsepower with talent? Do I go to a film and then marvel at the amount of CPU time it took to create?
Think of all those endeavours ILM has going on...They're about to move to the SF Presidio into a giant new facility where the game company and the film company are going to be rooming in together; Episode III is about to be released (oooh, maybe a PG13 Star Wars flick!) and all those digital film techniques (i.e.: Camera GUI) they have invented. It's a wonder that ILM is no match for a guy that just wants to make a good movie about human depravity.
I wonder how George will take the news? I predict he'll spend a few million (bah! billion) bucks on some cluster racks to console his staff for the loss.
If you are worried about this movie being good, check out the reviews collected at Rotten Tomatoes; all 9 have been positive so far (for a 100% rating).
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Trying to read that article made me feel like I had ADD again. All of its skipping around on various topics wasn't neccesary. The stupid part of the article is its arrogant attack on ILM when the article later admits ILM has been using this same technology for some time. The only thing is Sin City came out a couple months before Episode 3. Kudos to both studios and I'm not trying to say the Sin City technology isn't an accomplishment, but I wish the author of the article would have focused on their achievements instead of comparing them with ILM.
Heh, sometimes I do. For instance in the movie Contact I was blown away by the amount of CPU it took.
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I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
Parent post (in context) is too funny for people to miss!
I think you're a bit misguided...
today i can create on a home PC in hours what ILM would have taken years
Technically, yes, but you need a lot of really skilled writers and animators to create the movie in the first place. Merely having the capability to render photorealistic 3D images does not by itself make a good movie -- look at the difference between Final Fantasy: The Sprits Within and any Pixar production to see that.
with the rise of even schools having massive renderfarms (like the g5 one)
Again, I think you're mistaken. I assume you're referring to the Terascale cluster at Virginia Tech, but it's not a "renderfarm", it's a supercomputer cluster designated for scientific research. Check out their web page here, they have details about what kind of jobs they'll accept.
Maybe credit is due RaveHD, and as long as it didn't crash or hang, then a little credit is due the OS. Maybe this is the beginning of the OS becoming transparent, and apps now matter?
Unless the man is a penguin fanboy that is.
ILM has an advantage in designing *new* machines, building on their own past achievements, as well as the newcomers', like anyone else. But the most important geniuses at ILM were those designing and using their machines. Organizational culture, rooted in its executives' vision, distinguishes winners from losers. Jumps in tech are opportunities to be exploited, not guarantees of success, for the big innovators as well as the later exploiters.
A more relevant factor in ILM's relevance is budget. ILM has big budgets, to attract talent and explore more opportunities, more of which they can afford to lose before hitting a winner. But their budget is so high that they can only be hired by big budget projects. Which are run by people who fear any risk, and which tend to make effects budgets "show their value" by featuring the effects, rather than using effects solely to support the rest of the picture (characters, story, etc). So we get ILM working big, bombastic, boring projects. Meanwhile, cheaper (Linux, etc) effects houses can spring up, try stuff, experiment with both effects and other risky, unproven parts of the picture. Again, the bottleneck is brains: if ILM supports the vision of a visionary film, it has an advantage. If ILM's execs apply it to the deadend of mere "special effects extravaganzas", it will be as relevant as fireworks exhibitions.
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so it says the images were made available via samba. Sounds like the rest of the process is windows?
I didn't know I could get DDR for linux. Is there a USB Dance Pad I can get? Oh, wait, this must be some othe kind of DDR.
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I just want to point out that during my tenure at a certain Linux company, the name of which rhymes with "VA Linux".... OK it was VA Linux, back in the heady days of year 2000 I was telling certain key members of upper management there that if VA is going to sell high proced Linux boxen then they ought to consider building and selling boxen specifically for FILM PRODUCTION. I repeated myself more than once. I was told by certain key players in upper management who no longer work there that "We're not interested in going after niche markets."
VA no longer sells heavy Linux boxes but obviously someone is, and they're selling them to Hollywood.
*sigh*
trailer 1 (large, 14.5MB) and trailer 2 (large. 20MB)
First off, it's "80's", not "80s".
AP says otherwise.
Secondly, the first sentence in your fourth paragraph is wrong; it's a run-on sentence.
Commas can be used to join a series of independent clauses. It's not something you see very often, but it's not wrong.
I suppose your post would've been much funnier if you weren't being so hypocritical.
I wonder if you know what "hypocritical" means?
Now if all those effects could turn his movies into something viewable that would be great. Besides El mariachi, his crap stinks... and bad... i mean i couln't even make myself watch once upon a time in mexico...
"cluster", "renderfarm"; whatever it is, I'm sure they let students render film projects on it... I mean if nobody's signed up to check their hotmail account or type a book report.
I know you guys have to frame everything in terms of "LINUX WINS!" but you know what? It's not a race. Nobody was sitting around a table going, "I wanna be the first to make a feature with 4:4:4 dual-link RGB!" In fact, just the opposite: Everybody was sitting around going, "Let somebody else try 4:4:4 HD video. I don't want to take a chance on it with millions of dollars of somebody else's money."
Besides that, this whole thing is completely wrong. We've been using 4:4:4 for years in film production with a device called a "datacine." Go out and shoot 35mm film, which by the way has more color sensitivity than any video camera on the market, then run it through a device that scans each frame at high bit depth and high resolution in (you guessed it) 4:4:4 RGB.
Seriously, these machines have been around for more than a decade. RGB production is nothing new. You guys are making it sound like it's revolutionary, or worse, like it COULDN'T BE DONE WITHOUT LINUX. Inferno has done 4:4:4 since the mid-90s, and that runs on SGI gear.
See: chroma subsampling. It's even got diagrams. Though it could use a bit of cleanup.
Wikipedia to the rescue again!
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Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Yeah yeah yeah, Windows sux0rs and all, but nowadays the screen is lime green and is common known to the industry as "green screen".
Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.
It's not possible for you to view 4:4:4 video at home, and will be at least a decade before that might change.
What? No. You're wrong. Many formats use color subsampling, true, but many still formats don't. JPEG defaults to 4:2:2 subsampling in all of the implementations I've seen, but I think it supports 4:4:4. And lossless formats, like PNG or TGA or (shudder) TIFF, clearly support full color inclusion.
A thought experiment: render some CGI scene, or do time-lapse photography with a still digital camera in RAW mode, and turn it into an uncompressed AVI. Hey, you're watching 4:4:4 video!
Now, 4:4:4 video production may be a ways off. But it's certainly possible to view the resulting video, though I don't know how many popular codecs support it.
And there is a difference, at least when you're picking out stills and doing CMYK separations on them. Look how blocky and crapulent the yellow channel looks when you separate out an MPEG still or a JPEG image, and how sharp the black channel looks. A significant part of that is subsampling at work.
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Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Jeez, can't a person speak his mind, even if he has bad grammer and not be persecuted... It's "Jesus", or "Gee Whiz", not Jeez. Jeez isn't a word.
No it's not you dumbass.
I remember jms mentioning that he's an awful speller and can't do math. (Some usenet post un the Lurker's Guide.) Normally, I'd read that as "my brain is useless", but I already was so impressed by the man's work that I realized---if the man can write and direct a story like that, who cares if he can multiply in his head?
I was a twit. But I think I've become less of a twit now. Thank you, jms!
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
We all know that DDR still stands for Deutsche Demokratische Republik.
During ingestion, the RaveHD wrote sequential DPX files for each shot to a standard Linux JFS filesystem on a fiber-channel disk array, Howard says. When all required shots had been ingested, the entire JFS filesystem was made available via Samba and gigabit Ethernet to the studio's production workers.
JFS isn't one of the high profile filesystems on Linux; People usually talk about Reiser, EXT3, or XFS. I wonder what lead the developers to choose JFS.
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Kind of ironic that the first movie to use accurate color capturing digital camera is going to be basically all in black and white, with most things done in CG anyway.
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Oh, thank you. I've been worrying that, despite the trailers and the awesome cast and pretty much the best team you could ask for working on it, this would be terrible on the level of "LXG". Anyone remember that? What fabulous source material. What an awful movie made from it.
Alan Moore must be kicking himself after that one, saying "Never again, you American fuckers!". No, wait, he's probably rolling in a large pile of money, and more power to him for it. If it means he's fed and clothed and able to write more comics, it doesn't matter how many movies butcher his work.
I suppose they'll fuck up "V for Vendetta" (ten to one gets you they show V's face) or "Watchmen" next. And yet, hope springs eternal from this. Perhaps they can get Johnny Depp to play Wallace in "Hell and Back" if this does well. Perhaps.
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Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
...The Orphanage who are a...dare I say it...Windows house.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
"with the rise of even schools having massive renderfarms (like the g5 one) and companies like Pixar creating fun films, are ILM even worth a column in todays market ?"
That's sort of like saying a progammer can get twice as much done if he has twice as fast of computer. Think about it.
"Derp de derp."
For Spy Kids three that is !
... well as others have commented few Graphic Novels progress well to film but that does not preclude the opportunity that it can occur !
There is a extra on the dvd for the film where RR ( heavens forbid i even attempt to spell his name ! ) explains how to create some impressive visual and audio affects for your own home movies ( the family friendly ones people ! ) . He gives a very clear and engaging discussion with example film of how to include visual affects , editing and audio additions to make the films more interesting. Id say he understands how open source benefits every on e since he is so willing to share his expertise and experiences.
As for Sin City
And thats why Firecrackers and kittens don't mix.
"Rodriguez uses Linux to Edge out ILM"
Should probably read:
"Rodriguez beats ILM to use RaveHD DDR on a commercial film release"
If you read the article, you'll see that ILM are using the same kit, so edging out has nothing to do with it - he's just completed the first film that uses one. That said, ILM did used to be first with everything new and shiny in film, so maybe it is a bit of a shock.
Anyhows Sin City looks mainly black and white, so what's with the 4:4:4 format?
His post was hypocritical because he was criticizing for things that he was, himself, at fault for.
And I would argue that using commas to join independent clauses IS incorrect, as this is exactly what colons and semicolons are for.
I stand corrected on the 80's/80s thing; I had improperly remembered the AP style guide as saying that they do require apostrophes.
Once again, read the damn web page if you want to know what projects they actually allow. From their allocation request form:
Graphics cards will probably start doing this soon. It's a way out of the "shades of black" problem in games.
I for one will welcome my new penguin overlords when Lightwave is ported to linux. Then maybe we'll see 'First independent American-made anime, created entirely under linux.' on the front page here ;P
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I do have a problem with the article in that it assumes that the color space between RGB and Y'CbCr formats are the same. I regularly use an editor that can work in both color spaces but if I work on a scene using tools based on RGB color space, I need to apply an effect over the rest of that shot (or scene) that limits the Y'CbCr to RGB color space.
The difference is subtle but noticeable, especially in film (or "digital film").
Additionally, the tools Rodriguez will use to edit his footage will run on Microsoft Windows or on Apple's OS X. Storage is great, folks but editors don't use Linux (yet).
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too bad the source code for AJA kona2 drivers had not been published on the web...
What you quoted mentions that no one character is the star, but the first sin city Marv was the central character and it was a great story. I was a comic nut back then and collected all the dark horse presents issues to get the complete sin city story and enjoyed every page of it, and later repurchased it in the reprinted graphic novel. Whereas the followup sin city stories didn't grab me nearly as much as the first.
So even though the trailer looks amazing and I am really excited to see it, I'm kinda disappointed that it is going to encompass the first 3 sin city books. Esp with the great ending of the first sin city, I'm curious as to how they will blend that in with the other stories.
And your comment of how pulp was the freshest original thing since ever, well I had that same feeling but it was for reservoir dogs. Even though I did enjoy pulp immensely, it's reservoir dogs that blew me away and I'm glad I caught that in the theatre and I remember at that time going on about the movie to anyone who'd listen.
Funny how the explosion with tarintino with pulp happened in america, whereas the same media frenzy already occurred for tarintino with reservoir dogs in the UK.
Btw, I'm not from UK, I'm from Canada.
This looks to be a good survey of visual F/X oriented films currently in production or pre-production: Upcoming Effects Films
"Jarhead" is based on a sniper's experience in the Gulf War, and a change of pace for ILM.
Wasnt Episode 3 filmed/shot about 2 years ago?
Sin City wasnt shot that long ago, because it had a shorter post-production schedule. Episode 3's post-production schedule was like 18 months.
So.. Lucasfilm/ILM completed their 4:4:4 shoot first (using similar dual-link hardware) before Rodriguez even got started.
Robert Rodriguez thinks he's such hot shit, but I really could not give a fuck. I get pretty tired of all of these crappy indie directors and kids with a cracked copy of maya thinking they're the next george lucas. Hardware/Number of CPUs in the Renderfarm is the last concern on the minds of people in large studios. You hope you have enough, but otherwise it's all about coming up with interesting visuals. That takes alot of skilled artists and programmers.
The fact that most of us use linux doesnt matter at all! Maya is LESS stable on linux, Linux has many user-friendliness issues, but we use it because it's a cheap relatively stable unix on powerful commodity hardware.
Robert Rodriguez didnt beat anyone to anything.
And the movie is in F'in B&W anyway! Agh.
feels so secure about themselves that they don't hesitate to share(see link in TFA) their "secrets" for fear that somebody might "steal" their job. It says a whole lot. Oh, and that Director's guild...nice bunch, eh?
Y'CbCr, also known as YUV, is the color space used by film editing equipment. Y represents luminance, while Cb and Cr are color difference signals.
Wouldn't be more accurate to say that Y is luminance w/ green, and that Cb and Cr are "chroma blue" and "chroma red"? Or is that just stupid? And I thought the real holy grail was 6:6:6:6 Think we'll ever see that?
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"legendary independent filmmaker"
He is a filmmaker - but how is he legendary and how is he independent?
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F*ck the DG. F*ck them right up their bureacratic asses. INDIE 4 EVER!!!
I've got a bad attitude and karma to burn. Go ahead. Mod me down.
The Viper Filmstream camera has been used on at least two features prior to this and also uses Dual Link output to a RAID.
http://www.thomson.net/EN/Home/Press/PressReleases /CorporatePress/PREN040209.htm
Just setting the facts straight.
yeah, i was kidding, thanks for the update.
I'm in a persistent vegetative state, you insensitive clod! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! !!!! eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
It took me 20 seconds to type that with no checking whatsoever. But for the OP, I have the image of a fat kid with his face all scrunched up, breathing hard, sticking his tongue out and typing with one finger.
As the article says:
* ILM does have these DDR's,
* RR's DDR's benefitted from ILM's experience with them (i.e., ILM had them first, it would seem), and
* Episode III was shot 4:4:4 before RR shot 4:4:4.
The only way that Rodriguez "edges out" ILM is that his movie comes out before Episode III.
Brave words for an AC who probably makes minimum wage flipping burgers. If it's so easy to do that shit, why is it that we haven't seen Anonymous Coward Studios taking over the industry? I mean, if you can do the same shit as ILM does in a couple of hours (where those slow bastards take MONTHS) you've got to be the hottest shit since toasted subs.
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Neither is "grammer". And that dirty, granola-eating hippy "jesus" can go get bent.
to post the torrent link.. so where is it?
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Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate.
Hate, leads to suffering.
Both CRTs and flat screen technology use RGB at their core. Light recording equipment (cameras) typically also use RGB. So the signal is still being converted from RGB to YUV and back again.
YUV/Y Cr Cb is a hack. Originally defined as Y Crb it was a way of fitting colour on to a signal and retain compatibility with monochrome equiment. Because of the available bandwidth on the signal the colour differences had to have a lower resolution which was fine because there are less colour receptors in the eyes than brightness receptors.
A phase difference between the two colour signals allows the two signals to be differentiated. Unfortunately atmospheric disturbance make them drift which is why NTSC got the reception it has about colour. PAL solved it by alternating the phase between colour lines and hence a systematic difference is cancelled out.
S-Video and eventually 'component' video reduce bandwidth issues and eliminate cross-talk between the luminance and chrominance signals by have them on separate lines. But they are still the YUV hack.
umm they where done at 3 houses. The orphanage, Hybrid, and Cafe FX. Each had 1/3 of the movie
Just to add to that. He could do video res on his home computer. Thats about 1/8 the size that a movie uses. A movie frame(plate) is anywhere from 8 to 18 MB PER FRAME.
>The footage, shot in early 2004, featured Josh Hartnett and Marley Shelton acting out the "Sin City" short-story "The Customer is Always Right"
It is said that you can actually watch three minutes of that footage here:
Enjoy.
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but it kept core-dumping the renderer when ever Jar-Jar showed up.
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
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I'll use that as notice never to post while logged in during the weekends. What a bunch of buffoons! Go away! Would ya? You're harshin' my high, man!
He gives cooking tips in the extras on Once Upon a Time in Mexico. (and a bit more about making movies and such).
He had a really good tip -- learn to cook your favorite food. Get really good at cooking it, then learn to cook your next favorite, etc.
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
That's sort of like saying a progammer can get twice as much done if he has twice as fast of computer. Think about it.
Which was exactly the situation back in the 60s/70s, writitng your programs on punchcards, then waiting ~2-3 weeks to get access to a computer, only to find out you had a syntax error.
Cafe are a Windows house. I don't know anything about Hybrid however.
Doesn't it make you feel good to know that our freedoms are protected by politicans, lawyers and journalists.
To who does Alan Moore give away his mad American cheese? I can believe the first part, but I have a hard time believing that anyone would give away the proceeds from having their beloved artworks molested in such a fashion.
I think the thing that bugs me about stories with real potential ("I, Robot", for instance) being butchered is that they preclude the making of a better film from the same source material for at least a decade. Supposedly there's a Harlan Ellison script for it floating around out there, but we'll never see it because some turd in a suit got the bright idea to graft a thin sheen of Asimov onto a previously unrelated script.
And that, really, is why I'm so pleased to hear good things about Sin City. Because if it turns out terribly, we're going to get the same old "comics are crap---just look at that 'LXG' movie!" argument, and what can one say to that?
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
ILM also uses *nix for all of their capturing... it was a win win for *nix. I'm still not sure exactly why most slashdotters would be interested in most of the digital cinema developments. But hey it had the word linux in it so it must be relevant to their needs.
now Linux will be associated with crappy movies like desperado and from dusk till dawn...
Go hug some trees.
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