I know there are various logs, but I've some things I want to investigate in boot process and hell if i can find it, looking it dmesg,/var/log. I wish there was a way to store the ENTIRE boot process in one log. Is there?
You've brought up some interesting points about the cooperative vs the simultaneous and I'll concede on those points. But everytime this discussion is mentioned someone always says they use ctrl alt fx.
A lot of users, including myself really want a gui way of tying this together. Yes I meant gdmflexiserver and it's seem to do just that.
My main problem is: In my session I have my screensaver kick in, kid comes up and wants access to his account, but xscreensaver is just giving him a password prompt as it's locked the screen. This is where gdm's new user login would be beneficial. Even if they use ctrl alt fx, the screensaver would still be running on my session. You say you don't have that problem, well it happens here not sure why.
Regarding the sound issue, I copied my.asoundrc to everyone and even tried putting it globally put the esd daemon is still locking the sound for the first user. Maybe your soundcard has hardware mixing as mine does not, and was glad to find this method with alsa to provide software mixing, only to be stumped again with another problem.
So, for me, I definately still have a sound and screensaver issue. And I can see your worry security wise about the screensaver but regardless this funcitonality is needed.
Bottom line, whoever suggests to use ctrl alt fx doesn't have kids in the house, and is ignoring the functionality a full de should provide. There really needs to be a means of switching users from the gui, and since gdm provides this, it opens up some holes with sound dameons, screensavers, and switching within the gui environment even if a user's screen is locked.
Since I was trying Gnome recently, some things about firefox were starting to stand out. First off, it uses some of it's own widgets so it's doesnt' fully intergrate nicely with a users current gtk2 theme. Then I realized sesssion management doesn't work with firefox in a gnome environment.
So, I read about epiphany and galeon, two browsers for gnome based on the gecko engine. One is very light and barebones and the latter is a more full featured version, but both intergrate nicely into gnome.
Anyways in trying these browswers, I got a couple of unexpected bonuses. One is that both browsers were just generally snappier and faster than ff. Also an issue I've had for ages on ff in lin is some flash material could really bog down the system, to the point where I could barely click something. I've searched the prob, and as seeing on the moz forums, many others have this problem. But now I have no flash speed issues whatsoever.
At first I was kind of puzzled over this with all browsers using the same rendering engine, but from what I've read it's the xul overhead of firefox that can cause these slow down issues (and give users the extensions functionality).
My point is on this, is that the more popular firefox gets, the more level the playing field is and ultimately it won't matter what browser you are choosing.
I've been using ff since.3 and have always loved it, and thought before that I wouldnt' use/need another browser. But since trying other browsers I thought a little more about what moz/ff gaining market share gives us.
Joe sixpack needs to think of things as the next big thing. So some people now think 'IE sucks, FF rox!!'. But ff isn't necessarily the next big thing, it's end game for the browser war as it gains market share.
Because in the end it won't matter if a user is browing with moz, ff, gecko based browsers, konq, safari, opera.
And I'm still puzzled at how microsoft is shitting the bed with IE.
Because moz would not have gained market share on 'Look! it's open source and standards compliant!' It gained market share on two things: no pops and tabbed browsing. If microsoft jumped in and quickly disbaled javascript popups by default and hacked in tabbed browsing, a lot of people wouldn't have switched.
I tried gnome recently and found out about this cmd to graphically quick user switch a la xp/osx. So one user can log in and leave other(s) still logged in.
This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.
The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.
Also, I recently set up my.asoundrc file for software mixing with alsa, and used esd for gnome sounds and piped to alsa. I get sound in pretty much everything simultaneously, nothing holding the soundcard, but if another user uses gdmflexiserver to log in, that user will have no sound.
Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.
I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how/. users deal with this with multiple users in the household. Esp wanting to lock out kids from ones login by xscreensaver but not locking them out from theirs.
Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.
No comment really, just thought of that and gave myself a chuckle, might be good for a sig.
Well, one thing is linux really needs another alternative to azureus. My system is running like a pig right now because of it. And yes I'm Java 1.5, helped a bit but not much.
I've searched but haven't found much, I even tried bitcomet in wine but no go.
I know morphix is, but a lot of em seem to use mixed sources or their own.
Could someone list the ones that are if they know. This is with the intent of a hd install.
I wish it didn't matter but as great a pkg mgt debian has, it doesn't seem to be able to gracefully make the transition from one/mixed sources to another.
Or least that was my experience in trying to get knoppix installed and converted to sid.
I would think, even in a hugh robotic biosuit, he would still need the force on his side to beat jedi.
Or is he just killing jedi with sheer might?
Can't recall if they showed any force powers from him in the toon, but I don't think so.
The question is, why does microsoft seem to be dropping the ball and NOT seeming to care either way.
You'd think with every other week some new exploit being found and microsoft paying for it in the media articles, that they'd be making it a big priority to firefight this situation.
They just seem to be sitting on the side lines and being indifferent to someone taking back the market share.
It's actually fortunate that IE is the insecure pig that it is. Do you think a lot of people would have switched to moz/ff if they were told - look!! it's open source and standards compliant!!
They switched because of security and features (think tabbed browsing and stopping pop ups).
And people need to root for a new champion, unfortuately, that's the mentality of a lot of people, mostly because they don't have the time or the inclination to get informed.
Because of this some of them would resist going to K-Meleon. They are still in the IE sucks, FF rocks mentality. The informed will realize that K-Meleon will be faster due to native widgets (esp on older machines). So only extensions would maybe hold them back.
For me, I've already made the switch to epiphany and definately notice it being faster than firefox.
But that's the beauty of firefox, even though people want to have their next champion, firefox really levels the playfield again. So in the end it shouldn't matter if your using Opera, FF, epiphany, Konq, Safari. If compliance is adhered to then may the best gui win. And in that situation really we all win.
I've recently tried gnome after ignoring it all this time and was glad to see it had a user switch option (via gdmflexiserver) so one user could log in without logging the other out.
But a few rough spots still. The first main problem is that all users have to disable their screen savers as the screen saver screen does not have an option tied in to switch user. This alone prevents it from being a means of locking out say the kids, but still giving them an option (via the gui) to log in.
The other problem is even if you switch before a user's screen saver kicks in, it will still kick in after the allotted time, while the other user is in their login.
And finally, the gdmflexiserver as far as I understand it, is kinda a kludge tying another Xserver to the other user. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it but it seems this wouldn't scale well resource wise. AFAIK, win xp and mac X share the same Xserver for lack of better description and lighten the resources with multiple users logged in. Also some people have problems with sound daemons being shared across Xservers.
So there is a fair amount of work to be done there, but just adding the new user option to xscreensaver would get us the core functionality now.
So a user would be able to walk away from their machine and lock the screen, and know they are keeping other users out, while not interupting their running apps and not preventing others from doing what they need to do.
I've wanted to check this out for awhile, unfortunately most of the requirements are not met by debian unstable. Looks like it would take a fair bit of system hacking to get it in there.
Yes he means the equiv of the start menu in windows. Kde does not have an automatic ability to edit this either, you have to launch a seperate menu editor. You should be able to drag-n-drop to and from the menu, move things about, go to properties and heaven forbid actually see the name of the application that's being run. This is something my gf tried to do because she couldn't drag a menu shortcut to her desktop because she didn't know the exact name to make her own shortcut. And there is no way she was going to find it herself in usr/bin, so in the end she had to ask me the name of the app.
AFAIK, no linux DE has this functionality. This is something win95 had. Maybe way back then when kde/gnome were being developed they should have looked at goals of what windows did right. Embrace and expand.
And don't get me started on hotkeys in gtk apps.
I love using alt uparrow enter to quickly quit an app. So lets see in gtk. No quick alt toggle to get in the menu, ok fair enough I have to press alt F, but alt f won't get you back out of the menu thats escape of course, and once in the menu alt e will not bring you to edit, you have to use the arrow keys once you are in the menu.
This is klunky to say the least. Businesses that use custom apps really stress having smooth functioning hotkeys for users to use them efficiently.
Assuming it's worth it going HD with the latest plasma screen, what would be the next thing they could entice buyers with. People have limited space at homes and you can only fit a screen so big, so a ceiling would be hit with ongoing resolution increases.
So is HD this limit? How big/sharp a screen would one have to have where 720p/1024i doesn't cut it?
Everytime Word Perfect comes up this gets mentioned and a thread goes on about it's merits and nothing gets done.
One of the linux wordprocessors should really implement this feature.
When I was young, I cut my teeth on paperclip and that processor out of compute's gazette (I'm sure someone will chime in and say it's name) on my c64.
Back then, there was no wysiwyg or preview of the document for that matter (well some had preview later). You created your documents using the codes for bold, page break, bullets, etc.
This gave you total control of your document. Wordperfect for dos continued this tradition but somewhere along the way it got lost in most gui wordprocessors.
Think of it like only being able to make a web page in dreamweaver and not be able to use a text editor.
Yes, Word has a limited reveal codes, and some others did as well. But it always seemed to hide some document controls from you and invariably this is when you needed to fix something and it becomes frustrating finding where this weird page break, or margin change was actually happening.
Bottom line for me, I don't care about word and haven't for a long time, but for the open office, kwrite, abiword developers out there: Please impliment this feature. Surely, one of you must be old enough to remember the old way word processing was done, and recognize that the feature still has value.
Ok, I know these guys go on about how the creative control is gradually taken away from them and all that other negative stuff. But what did AOL buy nullsoft for? 109 Million wasn't it?! 109 Million.
Did AOL even try to low ball em a little?!
Hey Nullsoft, AOL callin, we're interested, Whats say uhmm, I don't know 109 MILLION Freakin dollars? How's that sound emmm?
Seriously, anyone know the story of how that all came about?
I have mplayer with all the codecs and the mplayer mozilla plugin. I'd say 90% of the sites work without issue, but sometimes I get a problem playing these trailers. This one in particular was downloading the trailer and when it was complete it said click here to play but clicking did nothing. I just copied it out of/tmp and watched it in standalone mplayer without issue.
Also the odd site wont play saying I don't have wmp9 installed. Maybe I need to update my codecs. Just wanted to know if there are some tricks to workaround the odd site that doesn't work.
Hmm, what I meant was if I wanted to startup a residential voip service for example.
Do I need asterisk boxes in each area where i want to purchase area codes? I'm looking at a complete solution and not relying on nufone or what have you.
What I'm basically asking is how does vonage do it?
Do they 'need' to have offices in each city where they want to provide service? I assume they over sell. What's a normal line to customer ratio?
Basically I want to understand the complete cycle of how voip works from a company's like vonage perspective.
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I know there are various logs, but I've some things I want to investigate in boot process and hell if i can find it, looking it dmesg, /var/log. I wish there was a way to store the ENTIRE boot process in one log. Is there?
You've brought up some interesting points about the cooperative vs the simultaneous and I'll concede on those points. But everytime this discussion is mentioned someone always says they use ctrl alt fx.
.asoundrc to everyone and even tried putting it globally put the esd daemon is still locking the sound for the first user. Maybe your soundcard has hardware mixing as mine does not, and was glad to find this method with alsa to provide software mixing, only to be stumped again with another problem.
A lot of users, including myself really want a gui way of tying this together. Yes I meant gdmflexiserver and it's seem to do just that.
My main problem is: In my session I have my screensaver kick in, kid comes up and wants access to his account, but xscreensaver is just giving him a password prompt as it's locked the screen. This is where gdm's new user login would be beneficial. Even if they use ctrl alt fx, the screensaver would still be running on my session. You say you don't have that problem, well it happens here not sure why.
Regarding the sound issue, I copied my
So, for me, I definately still have a sound and screensaver issue. And I can see your worry security wise about the screensaver but regardless this funcitonality is needed.
Bottom line, whoever suggests to use ctrl alt fx doesn't have kids in the house, and is ignoring the functionality a full de should provide. There really needs to be a means of switching users from the gui, and since gdm provides this, it opens up some holes with sound dameons, screensavers, and switching within the gui environment even if a user's screen is locked.
Since I was trying Gnome recently, some things about firefox were starting to stand out. First off, it uses some of it's own widgets so it's doesnt' fully intergrate nicely with a users current gtk2 theme. Then I realized sesssion management doesn't work with firefox in a gnome environment.
.3 and have always loved it, and thought before that I wouldnt' use/need another browser. But since trying other browsers I thought a little more about what moz/ff gaining market share gives us.
So, I read about epiphany and galeon, two browsers for gnome based on the gecko engine. One is very light and barebones and the latter is a more full featured version, but both intergrate nicely into gnome.
Anyways in trying these browswers, I got a couple of unexpected bonuses. One is that both browsers were just generally snappier and faster than ff. Also an issue I've had for ages on ff in lin is some flash material could really bog down the system, to the point where I could barely click something. I've searched the prob, and as seeing on the moz forums, many others have this problem.
But now I have no flash speed issues whatsoever.
At first I was kind of puzzled over this with all browsers using the same rendering engine, but from what I've read it's the xul overhead of firefox that can cause these slow down issues (and give users the extensions functionality).
My point is on this, is that the more popular firefox gets, the more level the playing field is and ultimately it won't matter what browser you are choosing.
I've been using ff since
Joe sixpack needs to think of things as the next big thing. So some people now think 'IE sucks, FF rox!!'. But ff isn't necessarily the next big thing, it's end game for the browser war as it gains market share.
Because in the end it won't matter if a user is browing with moz, ff, gecko based browsers, konq, safari, opera.
And I'm still puzzled at how microsoft is shitting the bed with IE.
Because moz would not have gained market share on 'Look! it's open source and standards compliant!'
It gained market share on two things: no pops and tabbed browsing. If microsoft jumped in and quickly disbaled javascript popups by default and hacked in tabbed browsing, a lot of people wouldn't have switched.
You can press ctrl-L to get a cli for typing the path.
I tried gnome recently and found out about this cmd to graphically quick user switch a la xp/osx. So one user can log in and leave other(s) still logged in.
.asoundrc file for software mixing with alsa, and used esd for gnome sounds and piped to alsa. I get sound in pretty much everything simultaneously, nothing holding the soundcard, but if another user uses gdmflexiserver to log in, that user will have no sound.
/. users deal with this with multiple users in the household. Esp wanting to lock out kids from ones login by xscreensaver but not locking them out from theirs.
This has some issues but what would give almost complete functionality right now, would be if the screensaver had an option to run gnomeflexiserver.
The other problem with this though, is if logged in as another user, the other users settings for xscreensaver will kick in after the idle time and bog down the other user(s). I also believe this will take over the 3d functionality of the users card and not allow another user to use it.
Also, I recently set up my
Afaik, this is also a bit of a kludge, tying another Xscreen to a vert terminal similar to some users using ctrl alt f8 for the other X session. I'm not sure if there would be a way to tie multiple users to one Xsession, but I would think it would save resources and potentionally avoid sound/video accel getting taken over by just one login.
I know this is somewhat off topic as I don't believe gdm is being enhanced in the coming future in this regard, but I'd like to know how
Xp and MacX have now had this for ages. The DE's for linux really need to catch up in this regard.
No comment really, just thought of that and gave myself a chuckle, might be good for a sig.
Well, one thing is linux really needs another alternative to azureus. My system is running like a pig right now because of it. And yes I'm Java 1.5, helped a bit but not much.
I've searched but haven't found much, I even tried bitcomet in wine but no go.
I know morphix is, but a lot of em seem to use mixed sources or their own.
Could someone list the ones that are if they know. This is with the intent of a hd install.
I wish it didn't matter but as great a pkg mgt debian has, it doesn't seem to be able to gracefully make the transition from one/mixed sources to another.
Or least that was my experience in trying to get knoppix installed and converted to sid.
I'd be interested in this. Who is your voip provider and whats the service like?
I would think, even in a hugh robotic biosuit, he would still need the force on his side to beat jedi. Or is he just killing jedi with sheer might? Can't recall if they showed any force powers from him in the toon, but I don't think so.
At first I thought it used deb unstable. But I've read they make their own. They can't certainly have the near the amount pkgs deb provides?
If they don't have a pkg, do they gel well with sid? Never really liked mixing sources in deb.
When I get pages and pages of crap that we all know are ads, I wish I could just check a box, block this domain from future searches.
Click on enough of them and a user might just see search results similar to circa 96
The question is, why does microsoft seem to be dropping the ball and NOT seeming to care either way.
You'd think with every other week some new exploit being found and microsoft paying for it in the media articles, that they'd be making it a big priority to firefight this situation.
They just seem to be sitting on the side lines and being indifferent to someone taking back the market share.
It's actually fortunate that IE is the insecure pig that it is. Do you think a lot of people would have switched to moz/ff if they were told - look!! it's open source and standards compliant!!
They switched because of security and features (think tabbed browsing and stopping pop ups).
And people need to root for a new champion, unfortuately, that's the mentality of a lot of people, mostly because they don't have the time or the inclination to get informed.
Because of this some of them would resist going to K-Meleon. They are still in the IE sucks, FF rocks mentality. The informed will realize that K-Meleon will be faster due to native widgets (esp on older machines). So only extensions would maybe hold them back.
For me, I've already made the switch to epiphany and definately notice it being faster than firefox.
But that's the beauty of firefox, even though people want to have their next champion, firefox really levels the playfield again. So in the end it shouldn't matter if your using Opera, FF, epiphany, Konq, Safari. If compliance is adhered to then may the best gui win. And in that situation really we all win.
I've recently tried gnome after ignoring it all this time and was glad to see it had a user switch option (via gdmflexiserver) so one user could log in without logging the other out.
But a few rough spots still. The first main problem is that all users have to disable their screen savers as the screen saver screen does not have an option tied in to switch user. This alone prevents it from being a means of locking out say the kids, but still giving them an option (via the gui) to log in.
The other problem is even if you switch before a user's screen saver kicks in, it will still kick in after the allotted time, while the other user is in their login.
And finally, the gdmflexiserver as far as I understand it, is kinda a kludge tying another Xserver to the other user. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it but it seems this wouldn't scale well resource wise. AFAIK, win xp and mac X share the same Xserver for lack of better description and lighten the resources with multiple users logged in. Also some people have problems with sound daemons being shared across Xservers.
So there is a fair amount of work to be done there, but just adding the new user option to xscreensaver would get us the core functionality now.
So a user would be able to walk away from their machine and lock the screen, and know they are keeping other users out, while not interupting their running apps and not preventing others from doing what they need to do.
I've wanted to check this out for awhile, unfortunately most of the requirements are not met by debian unstable. Looks like it would take a fair bit of system hacking to get it in there.
Yes he means the equiv of the start menu in windows. Kde does not have an automatic ability to edit this either, you have to launch a seperate menu editor. You should be able to drag-n-drop to and from the menu, move things about, go to properties and heaven forbid actually see the name of the application that's being run. This is something my gf tried to do because she couldn't drag a menu shortcut to her desktop because she didn't know the exact name to make her own shortcut. And there is no way she was going to find it herself in usr/bin, so in the end she had to ask me the name of the app.
AFAIK, no linux DE has this functionality. This is something win95 had. Maybe way back then when kde/gnome were being developed they should have looked at goals of what windows did right. Embrace and expand.
And don't get me started on hotkeys in gtk apps.
I love using alt uparrow enter to quickly quit an app. So lets see in gtk. No quick alt toggle to get in the menu, ok fair enough I have to press alt F, but alt f won't get you back out of the menu thats escape of course, and once in the menu alt e will not bring you to edit, you have to use the arrow keys once you are in the menu.
This is klunky to say the least. Businesses that use custom apps really stress having smooth functioning hotkeys for users to use them efficiently.
So kill it and shutdown and make sure you save the session. Next time you log in it won't launch.
Personally I don't like web browsing using tmp at all. Why is this not in my home's mozilla cache? Is there a techincal reason why it goes to /tmp?
http://www.thecorporation.tv/
It's 3 hours long but worth every minute. I believe it's coming on dvd soon
It boggles the mind.
Did you mean bloggles? Or wait, was that googles...
Suprnova was up 2 years. I'm somewhat curious as to what a site with that much traffic would have made in ad revenue.
Anyone have a rough idea?
Assuming it's worth it going HD with the latest plasma screen, what would be the next thing they could entice buyers with. People have limited space at homes and you can only fit a screen so big, so a ceiling would be hit with ongoing resolution increases. So is HD this limit? How big/sharp a screen would one have to have where 720p/1024i doesn't cut it?
Everytime Word Perfect comes up this gets mentioned and a thread goes on about it's merits and nothing gets done.
One of the linux wordprocessors should really implement this feature.
When I was young, I cut my teeth on paperclip and that processor out of compute's gazette (I'm sure someone will chime in and say it's name) on my c64.
Back then, there was no wysiwyg or preview of the document for that matter (well some had preview later). You created your documents using the codes for bold, page break, bullets, etc.
This gave you total control of your document. Wordperfect for dos continued this tradition but somewhere along the way it got lost in most gui wordprocessors.
Think of it like only being able to make a web page in dreamweaver and not be able to use a text editor.
Yes, Word has a limited reveal codes, and some others did as well. But it always seemed to hide some document controls from you and invariably this is when you needed to fix something and it becomes frustrating finding where this weird page break, or margin change was actually happening.
Bottom line for me, I don't care about word and haven't for a long time, but for the open office, kwrite, abiword developers out there: Please impliment this feature. Surely, one of you must be old enough to remember the old way word processing was done, and recognize that the feature still has value.
Ok, I know these guys go on about how the creative control is gradually taken away from them and all that other negative stuff. But what did AOL buy nullsoft for? 109 Million wasn't it?! 109 Million.
Did AOL even try to low ball em a little?!
Hey Nullsoft, AOL callin, we're interested, Whats say uhmm, I don't know 109 MILLION Freakin dollars? How's that sound emmm?
Seriously, anyone know the story of how that all came about?
I have mplayer with all the codecs and the mplayer mozilla plugin. I'd say 90% of the sites work without issue, but sometimes I get a problem playing these trailers. This one in particular was downloading the trailer and when it was complete it said click here to play but clicking did nothing. I just copied it out of /tmp and watched it in standalone mplayer without issue.
Also the odd site wont play saying I don't have wmp9 installed. Maybe I need to update my codecs. Just wanted to know if there are some tricks to workaround the odd site that doesn't work.
Hmm, what I meant was if I wanted to startup a residential voip service for example. Do I need asterisk boxes in each area where i want to purchase area codes? I'm looking at a complete solution and not relying on nufone or what have you. What I'm basically asking is how does vonage do it? Do they 'need' to have offices in each city where they want to provide service? I assume they over sell. What's a normal line to customer ratio? Basically I want to understand the complete cycle of how voip works from a company's like vonage perspective.