> Equal-opportunity denigration is the only way to go!
-nod- I would add to this that what is NOT okay is to use taxpayer dollars or the police power of government to promote or denigrate any religion. The problem comes in when the radical Christo-fascist right suggests that not having mandatory prayer in school and not spending taxpayer dollars to promote Christianity as the official religion in all state matters is "Christian-bashing"
> What Rove (apparently) tried to do here was exactly this.. use Novak and others as shields so that he could release > the information and not get prosecuted. The Supreme Court has made sure that he is not going to get away with it.
I should clarify; I absolutely support prosecuting whoever actually leaked the information in question. Personally, I think it's an act of treason, but IANAL.
I do NOT support punishing any journalist who chooses to protect the anonymity of anyone who spoke to them in their capacity as a journalist, however. Even if, as in this case, the information disclosed to them was classified and the disclosure itself illegal.
In summary, assuming that the rumour mill has the facts of this case right (big assumption):
Bob Novak - Treasonist Karl Rove - Treasonist Judith Miller - Right-wing hack journalist, but not a criminal
> "Freedom of the press" is a red herring in this case. Judith Miller is a citizen of the United States, nothing more.
I disagree. She received that information while working in her capacity as a journalist. Karl Rove, if he is in fact the treasonist, didn't reveal Plame's identity just to be making conversation, he told Miller because she was a journalist and he wanted the information published to punish her husband. (Granted, this is all conjecture, but the point holds no matter who the source was).
It's absolutely vital to a functioning democracy that individuals who have information can feel safe taking it to the press, and that journalists can protect the anonymity of their sources; whether they ultimately publish the information or not is immaterial.
> Novak up on treason charges for blabbing the name of an agent of the state to everyone
Quite agree.
> Miller up for accessory to treason for refusing to cooperate about her sources
Emphatically disagree. As a sibling poster already noted, Miller didn't publish any article outing Plame; and refusing to disclose ones sources should NOT be a crime.
Miller's attorney made an interesting point in an interview I heard yesterday. He, of course, knows who the administration source of the leak is, and of course he can't disclose it. For the most part, nobody questions his silence, as they accept that attorney/client confidentiality must be protected in order to have a functional legal system. However, it can be argued that journalistic confidentiality is *at least* equally important for a healthy democracy, and yet the public seems much more comfortable condemning an ethical journalist than an ethical lawyer.
> Obviously, someone censors these things after they appear - in a country where > freedom of the press is supposedly paramount, this is a very scary thing.
You want to talk scary... Judith Miller is sitting in a jail cell _right now_, for being unwilling to reveal an anonymous source for story on the Valerie Plame leak.
> They required your résumé in plain text format and specifically mention do not use a MS Word document.
This might very well have been part of the test. It's been my experience that non-savvy Windows and Mac users often have no concept of what "plain text" files are.
> I think US judges should be given encouragement to laugh in the faces of morons who bring court cases > like this, and to charge them costs big time to put them off pulling such pathetic stunts.
-nod- Agreed. This is almost precisely what John Kerry's tort reform plan consisted of; blocking nonsense like this before it gets out of grand jury, and fining the attorneys who filed it.
> I've been using WinXP pro since pre-launch, on multiple computers, with > several hardware upgrades, and have never, ever, had a single BSOD
"Lots and lots of people independantly report very similar experiences with WinXP instability, but I don't see it... clearly, everybody else is lying and my experience is the normal one!"
That kind of logic will get you a job with the DoD's Office of Special Plans...
That is because most Americans are ethnocentric to such an extreme that they forget about all the other countries on the two continents called America. On most of the rest of the hemisphere I (and I'm guessing you too) occupy, we're Estados Unidens. USians is a reasonable appellation IMO (and I are one).
>> it's still service to the state without being >> considered part of the federal armed forces.
I like this idea a LOT. It would also ease the strain that governors are under due to the extensive deployments of the nat'l guard, such as Montana's forest fire problems.
> It never ceases to amaze that a large majority of the people on this board have an innate aversion to > serve the country that has provided them with the most freedom and liberty of ANY government in the > history of man
-nod- This is one of the areas of damage done by the Bush administration that I think doesn't get nearly enough attention. With the current state of affairs, there is arguably no way for a conscientious American to serve their country through the military.
When the military is being misused and abused by the civilian leadership in ways that demonstrably hurt this country and make us less safe, nevermind needlessly sacrificing the soldiers themselves, what choices is a patriotic American left with in order to serve their country in this way? All I've been able to come up with is to vote, be politically active, and volunteer for and donate to good organizations like the Red Cross, the ACLU, BlackBoxVoting.org and Operation Truth.
> Maybe they do, but given 10 minutes I could probably give you a far bigger list of hardware which will not > work in Linux, I could probably expand your list for Windows too and give a few more troublesome additions.
-nod- Hey, my job is to make more hardware work in Linux, so believe me, I know. =) I object to the upstream poster's tone, saying it's _ridiculous_ and _obviously a troll_ to suggest that Linux hardware autodetection surpasses Windows XP; it's obviously NOT ridiculous, and it depends completely on what hardware you have in your system.
IME, the fact that Linux only looks at chipset, vendor/device ID numbers etc tends to have very good results for bargain and generic brand devices. In Windows, the driver for, say, a Belkin rtl8169 network card and the driver for a NetGear rtl8169 card are different, and will gripe for no good technical reason if you try to use one on the other. The lack of generic USB and PCMCIA device-class drivers also causes lots of breakage, like my generic ide-cs dvdrom, serial_cs bluetooth radio and usb sbp2 floppy referenced above.
> nothing has ever come close to XP in regards to device drivers, > NOTHING. And to compare that to ANY linux OS is ridiculous.
Whatever you say. In my laptop bag I am carrying a USB floppy that does NOT work in Windows XP at all (the only driver the manufacturer ever released for it was for Win98 and doesn't work.) I have a PCMCIA DVD-ROM that required a hard- to-find driver to work in Windows from expnet.com. I have a compact flash bluetooth radio from belkin that doesn't work in any Windows OS and NEVER WILL (only available drivers for download are for WinCE/PocketPC and PalmOS.)
Stable but wonky interface, in my experience. You have to manually poke it to get it to attach to a new device, and at least on my belkin parts you have to manually switch crypto off and then back on. Oh, and anybody in the world can listen in on your keypress events, but that's not a Linux thing, that's an auto-selected 4 numeral PIN thing;)
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What the planet really needs is more people throwing CRTs into the garbage. Way to go, Microsoft,
for making it happen!
If only we could charge them for the environmental damage they're going to cause. =/
> You watch comic book movies?
> No wonder women wont suck your cock.
Your double-entendre kung fu is stronger than mine.
Well done.
> I'd bet money neither of you provided any reasonable scientific evidence to support your "theories"
-nod- I, for one, would _love_ to see a comparative study of religions taught at a junior high or high school level.
> Equal-opportunity denigration is the only way to go!
-nod- I would add to this that what is NOT okay is to use taxpayer dollars or the police power of government to
promote or denigrate any religion. The problem comes in when the radical Christo-fascist right suggests that not
having mandatory prayer in school and not spending taxpayer dollars to promote Christianity as the official religion
in all state matters is "Christian-bashing"
> What Rove (apparently) tried to do here was exactly this.. use Novak and others as shields so that he could release
> the information and not get prosecuted. The Supreme Court has made sure that he is not going to get away with it.
I should clarify; I absolutely support prosecuting whoever actually leaked the information in question. Personally,
I think it's an act of treason, but IANAL.
I do NOT support punishing any journalist who chooses to protect the anonymity of anyone who spoke to them in
their capacity as a journalist, however. Even if, as in this case, the information disclosed to them was classified
and the disclosure itself illegal.
In summary, assuming that the rumour mill has the facts of this case right (big assumption):
Bob Novak - Treasonist
Karl Rove - Treasonist
Judith Miller - Right-wing hack journalist, but not a criminal
> "Freedom of the press" is a red herring in this case. Judith Miller is a citizen of the United States, nothing more.
I disagree. She received that information while working in her capacity as a journalist. Karl Rove, if he is in
fact the treasonist, didn't reveal Plame's identity just to be making conversation, he told Miller because she was
a journalist and he wanted the information published to punish her husband. (Granted, this is all conjecture,
but the point holds no matter who the source was).
It's absolutely vital to a functioning democracy that individuals who have information can feel safe taking it to
the press, and that journalists can protect the anonymity of their sources; whether they ultimately publish the
information or not is immaterial.
> Novak up on treason charges for blabbing the name of an agent of the state to everyone
Quite agree.
> Miller up for accessory to treason for refusing to cooperate about her sources
Emphatically disagree. As a sibling poster already noted, Miller didn't publish any article outing Plame; and
refusing to disclose ones sources should NOT be a crime.
Miller's attorney made an interesting point in an interview I heard yesterday. He, of course, knows who the administration
source of the leak is, and of course he can't disclose it. For the most part, nobody questions his silence, as they
accept that attorney/client confidentiality must be protected in order to have a functional legal system. However, it
can be argued that journalistic confidentiality is *at least* equally important for a healthy democracy, and yet the public
seems much more comfortable condemning an ethical journalist than an ethical lawyer.
> Obviously, someone censors these things after they appear - in a country where
> freedom of the press is supposedly paramount, this is a very scary thing.
You want to talk scary... Judith Miller is sitting in a jail cell _right
now_, for being unwilling to reveal an anonymous source for story on
the Valerie Plame leak.
Things are tough all over.
> They required your résumé in plain text format and specifically mention do not use a MS Word document.
This might very well have been part of the test. It's been my experience that non-savvy Windows and Mac users often
have no concept of what "plain text" files are.
> I think US judges should be given encouragement to laugh in the faces of morons who bring court cases
> like this, and to charge them costs big time to put them off pulling such pathetic stunts.
-nod- Agreed. This is almost precisely what John Kerry's tort reform plan consisted of; blocking
nonsense like this before it gets out of grand jury, and fining the attorneys who filed it.
> I've been using WinXP pro since pre-launch, on multiple computers, with
> several hardware upgrades, and have never, ever, had a single BSOD
"Lots and lots of people independantly report very similar experiences with
WinXP instability, but I don't see it... clearly, everybody else is lying and
my experience is the normal one!"
That kind of logic will get you a job with the DoD's Office of Special Plans...
> government wouldn't do any better, name 1 thing they do well
The FDIC.
> Most Americans use the term American.
That is because most Americans are ethnocentric to such an extreme that they forget about all the other countries on
the two continents called America. On most of the rest of the hemisphere I (and I'm guessing you too) occupy, we're Estados Unidens. USians is a reasonable appellation IMO (and I are one).
> But how do you guarentee quality when the government owns the network?
Vote. Failing that, run for office.
Now, how do you guarantee quality when the network is controlled by a closed boardroom at one corporation?
>> they came to our country and intend to destroy us
Please list the Iraqis who attacked us on our own soil. Clearly I've missed something.
>> it's still service to the state without being
6 /05/montana_in_a_tug_of_war_for_guardsmen/
>> considered part of the federal armed forces.
I like this idea a LOT. It would also ease the strain that governors are under due to the extensive
deployments of the nat'l guard, such as Montana's forest fire problems.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/0
> It never ceases to amaze that a large majority of the people on this board have an innate aversion to
> serve the country that has provided them with the most freedom and liberty of ANY government in the
> history of man
-nod- This is one of the areas of damage done by the Bush administration that I think doesn't get nearly
enough attention. With the current state of affairs, there is arguably no way for a conscientious American
to serve their country through the military.
When the military is being misused and abused by the civilian leadership in ways that demonstrably
hurt this country and make us less safe, nevermind needlessly sacrificing the soldiers themselves,
what choices is a patriotic American left with in order to serve their country in this way? All I've been
able to come up with is to vote, be politically active, and volunteer for and donate to good organizations
like the Red Cross, the ACLU, BlackBoxVoting.org and Operation Truth.
> On the other hand, we'll quit getting stupid cutesy acronyms like PATRIOT and what not.
I'm not sure naming bills like trendy mall stores is any better; "Allocation for highway improvement in
the sixth district, Etc."
Fantastic post... and to think, if I compose a post with too man equal signs, it'll get filtered =D
> why buy a user licence for closed code(?)
There's nothing so odd about that!
> and i JUST switched my residency to georgia!
> oh well, i suppose i'll just have to console
> myself with all this extra untaxed cash.
Yeah, and the worst public schools and one of the highest crime rates in the country.
Hurray for rugged self-reliance!
> Maybe they do, but given 10 minutes I could probably give you a far bigger list of hardware which will not
> work in Linux, I could probably expand your list for Windows too and give a few more troublesome additions.
-nod- Hey, my job is to make more hardware work in Linux, so believe me, I know. =) I object to the upstream
poster's tone, saying it's _ridiculous_ and _obviously a troll_ to suggest that Linux hardware autodetection
surpasses Windows XP; it's obviously NOT ridiculous, and it depends completely on what hardware you have in
your system.
IME, the fact that Linux only looks at chipset, vendor/device ID numbers etc tends to have very good results for bargain
and generic brand devices. In Windows, the driver for, say, a Belkin rtl8169 network card and the driver for a NetGear
rtl8169 card are different, and will gripe for no good technical reason if you try to use one on the other. The lack of
generic USB and PCMCIA device-class drivers also causes lots of breakage, like my generic ide-cs dvdrom, serial_cs
bluetooth radio and usb sbp2 floppy referenced above.
> oh come on, now you're just trolling....
Likewise.
> nothing has ever come close to XP in regards to device drivers,
> NOTHING. And to compare that to ANY linux OS is ridiculous.
Whatever you say. In my laptop bag I am carrying a USB floppy that does NOT work in Windows XP at all (the only driver
the manufacturer ever released for it was for Win98 and doesn't work.) I have a PCMCIA DVD-ROM that required a hard-
to-find driver to work in Windows from expnet.com. I have a compact flash bluetooth radio from belkin that doesn't work in
any Windows OS and NEVER WILL (only available drivers for download are for WinCE/PocketPC and PalmOS.)
All of these devices _just work_ in Linux.
Stable but wonky interface, in my experience. You have to manually poke it to get it to attach to a ;)
new device, and at least on my belkin parts you have to manually switch crypto off and then back on.
Oh, and anybody in the world can listen in on your keypress events, but that's not a Linux thing,
that's an auto-selected 4 numeral PIN thing
> Most anything worthwhile that you can do in Linux, you can also do in OS X, and often much more easily.
Okay, then boot Tiger on my Sparc 5.