But you never hear someone saying "storms make me ill" (unless they got a direct hit of course!).
I have reapplied your arguement to another similar phenomenon:
If "cigarette smoking" at the sort of levels we have in our
enviroment really harmed people then as soon as a "industrial chimney"
went off in a nearby "factory" all these "victims" should keel over and
die given the amount of "smoke" a single "chimney" puts out. But you
never hear someone saying "chimneys make me ill" (unless they got "dropped into one" of course!). Far more trendy to make out they're some victim of
modern techno society so they can either kids themselves its someone
elses fault they're ill (and nothing to do with "asthma" or some
other mental condition) or so that they can jump on the compensation
bandwagon.
Oh wait... the tobacco industry already lost that arguement years back. Oh well, so much for that.
Yes, storms don't make you ill. On the other hand, you are not exposed to storms 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, are you ? If so, I suggest relocating:p
You never hear anyone say "loud sounds make me go deaf immediately". But on the other hand, being exposed to constant very loud noise over a lengthy period, DOES affects your hearing in the long run.
So how long before we get "Using this electroniz gizmo can be injurious to your health" statutorily stamped on all the electronic products ?
Ok. Kidding. Not going to happen. But I am sure some research must have been going on towards fixing this. I mean this is so obvious, it can hardly be news.
Possible result of the electronics manufacturing industry trying to downplay any such concerns, to avoid spending more on shielding etc. ? *puts tinfoil hat on*.
A better and worthwhile product would be an emulater drive gadget that let me play my PS2 games on PSP. Something the same size as a portable DVD player, that let you mount your PSP on top(say slide it into a PSP shaped cavity or something, and snap shut).
They should realize that their UMD format is not going anywhere:p
You will get awesome ability to stretch... truths, become totally unnoticed/inivisible to the the rest of the world... or at least the female population, generate a lot of hot air...and get into flame-wars! On the downside, you will look really ugly, like a mile of bad road.
In other words... you will become the average slashdotter!
Your average counterpart in India is ofcourse having a inferior standard of living than yours. Does that mean there is any moral justification to demand you should be pulled down to it ? NO!
But let us come to bare survival. What do you need first of all ? Food. So tell me... what makes your food cost a hundred times more than his ? I mean, hey... wheat is just wheat. Apples are just apples. In theory there is nothing stopping you from buying apples produced in India at one hundredth of what you pay now. So why do you have to pay more ?
Because you can afford it. Allowing them to sell their stuff at those cheap rates, pushes down the prices of your own local produce and your government wants to protect those guys too. Protectionism. You can afford to do quality control on your food, which again drives up the price... but you can afford it. They can't. And all the anti-dumping laws keep you from getting stuff cheap. Because dumping will hurt some of your local industries. And you do not want to dependent on them. You don't trust them.(To be fair, all of this is true for every nation actually)
It will be obscene however to demand, that because there are some poor, nobody should be rich. However this philosophy runs both ways. Poor will try to become rich too. And with finite pool of wealth, and only limited wealth creation through exploitation of natural resources, means some rich will be made a bit poorer in the transaction. They are now competing with you and getting to your standard of living, at a cost to a particular small subsection of your population... namely the IT workers.
All of above just means, that you are unable to even survive on THEIR payscale, in your own country. You cannot afford to. You are in a trap. And protecting some of the industries, has just ended up hurting another one.
Nobody is suggesting you should work for 80% less. I never said that once really. Instead, I pointed out that you cannot SURVIVE by working for any less. So you just need to be more competitive instead. Or get into another line of work.
It is not high compared to salaries in other jobs in USA. It is high compared to other parts of the world. And what stops it from being lowered is not a choice. It is the cost of living in USA.
I think you got your causal relation all messed-up:
Outsourcing happens because companies want to lower costs.
And how exactly, what I am saying, is different ?
I merely stated the cause. I am acknowledging the cause of *that* cause too...that average american can't afford to take a paycut because American affluent standard of living is insanely out of touch with the rest of the world, and will make it impossible for them to survive on a lower salary.
Companies want to cut costs. You cannot *afford* to take a cut in your salary to facilitate that cost. They have an alternative available. They take it. You are caught between the fire and the frying pan.
You can ask for a law to be passed that prevents offshoring. It will work... for a while. Eventually, your companies will become non-competitive thanks to not being able to utilize the cheaper resources... which others WILL utilize. And then they will die. Your economy will suffer, and so will you then. And what is worse, with a weakened economy, *everyobody* in your countrey suffers. Not just those working in the IT.
You don't *have* to take one for the team though, so as to speak. Adapt. Make yourself more competitive to make hiring you. Improve. And keep doing everytime the competition adapts as well. Run the Red Queen's race. Run to stay where you are. It is a harsher world now.
Or if you find it is getting too hot for yout taste, just get out of the kitchen. Hasrh again. But that is how it is now. Sorry.
I agree with almost every single thing you say. Yes, offshoring is being taken to insane levels. As a consolation, corporates will find out what doesn't works and eventually those jobs will come back. The balance will be achieved eventually. Yes, a healthy mix is definitely needed. The jobs which can be done just as effectively elsewhere, will be offshored. Those that can't be, must be held back.
For the other part you are just restating what I said. Americans and others will have to accept that they are competing on a global scale and adapt accordingly. As a second choice, you *can* demand the market to be closed for a while from global competition. But that will just make your economy lose in the long term by becoming non-competitive. And if your economy loses, you still lose eventually.
A nation of Project Managers ? Why the hell not ?!! The other side just made itself to be a nation of monkey coders.
That's all well and good but the best counter argument to management is not increase talent pool or taking one for the team (country) but that in offshore endeavors, if you don't have good project management skills, i.e. real tech understanding of what it takes to 'get things done', then your project is toast.
Again, that is NOT really a good counter arguement. Yes, you may be correct.. for now! Yes, the offshore endeavours might not have good project management and "real tech understanding"... for now. But for how long will that remain true ? Or are you claiming some kind of racial superiority so as to speak, that precludes others from developing those skills and understanding shortly enough ? When they manage to reach acceptable levels... which will be shortly soon, what THEN ?
What you have to realize is that thanks to globalisation, you are now competing not in just a local protected,closed market, but on a global scale. If you are not willing to compromise on the affluent, aberrant lifestyle, then you MUST run the Red Queen's race. You *must* constantly innovate, improve and keep your skills competitive. That is *one* solution.
The other is to accept the facts and surrender to the new reality. Move up in the chain. Learn another language, so that you can communicate better with THEM in their language, and can still manage the project. Keep them still dependent on you, instead of THEM learning your language instead *and* your skills and eliminating you from the equation completely.
Funny as your comment is, oddly enough NOT lowering the average IT wage is precisely why these jobs are being offshored.
Corporations find that either there IS not enough skilled talent available... or it costs a lot more thanks to NOT lowering average IT wages(in comparision to rest of the world). Hence one way or the other, the jobs get offshored to a place where it can be done more cheaply. They are even supported in this by the specialization theory of Economics(i.e. letting work done at some other place where it can be done more cheaply/productively is better for both sides in the long term).
Ofcourse, this long term gain to the majority comes at the expense of the people who lose their job. But it is not as if, it is even their own fault. They quite possibly, cannot *afford* to take a pay cut. The affluent and expensive life style of America, which is totally out of touch with the reality of the rest of the world, is to blame.
Oh well, Globalisation is a dual-edged sword. It is the great leveller of the playing field.
This is the problem with pr0n! What exactly DO you identify as pr0n ?
What about x-rated cartoons ? Hentai *is* considered pr0n! But as is with mainstream comics nowadays, you can always come with stuff that walks right on the edge. How does DoJ stop sketches to appear on the net ?
What about other cultures ? In Victorian times, showing off your cleavage was normal. Showing off your ankle, calves or thigh, on the other hand were considered scandalous. In places like burqah-clad Pakistan, showing a female in a bikini would be considered pr0n.
This is actually a prime example of US government and DoJ failing to recognize the fact that Internet is no longer a US monopoly. Internet now caters to and is constituted in turn, by various other nations. It can probably use pr0n as an excuse to control the search engines based in US... and then what ? What will stop people from accessing another search engine based in Germany that uses a more looser definition of pr0n ? Ok, so we will block that search engine. Great! Now we are now blocking sites... just like that other country we are always criticizing for censorship.
How do you stop what is all around you ? This is the great human paradox. A race that depends on procreation, wants to pretend it doesnt exists and wants to remove all traces of it. It wants to make you embarrassed of your own body.
It is ok for minors to have sex. It is ok for parents to be negligent of what their kids are doing. But it is not ok to look at some corny pictures.:p
Oh wait! What YOU actually want is the exact algorithem they use, so that you can push the rank of your garbage site higher, without doing any of the actual work required, or providing good content!
Keep in mind that microsoft is now trying to get a presence in the anti-virus business. So isn't this sudden bug a tad too convenient ? Trying to create problems with a competing product ? All in a days work for MS.
Should Microsoft even be allowed to charge for fixing a problem that is caused all due to their poor product security ? What is to stop them from actually WEAKENING the security on the products in order to sell their anti-virus product better ? If anything was to be considered a monopolistic abuse, this is it.
There is nothing all that surprising here. It has always been common nature to use others' experience as a guide. We see someone making money through something, and presto! Everyone is trying to ape the same to get similar results. That trend was responsible for the dot com bubble burst, when everyone was trying to have a success story by marketing really stupid ideas(at least one person had a portal to send doggie poo to your friends).
On the other hand, this socially acquired experience mechanism is exactly how the civilization has developed.
Except in the case of music industry, with the amount of marketing the studios do, something really crappy can be passed off as "popular". And it is entirely possible that a large number of folks possibly "convince" themselves that they like a particular kind of music, just because they are trying to fit in with the "popular opinion". Even if the said piece of "music" is just plain noise and completely crap.
What would have been a far more interesting twist on the experiment(to make its inference more clearer) would be to have a two more groups. Let one group try and rank the songs as a group vote, without being provided any additional info about the songs. Then reverse the list thus arrived at, and present it to the second group. Misinform(market) to the second group that the songs actually voted the crappiest by the first group, were voted the best. And then let them vote for their favourite ones.
The results of *that* would indeed be illuminating.
The article on President Bush has been altered so many times - not just from within Congress - that Wikipedia's volunteer monitors have had to block further 'editing'.
But this is the guy who alters and retroactively 'edits' his statements and claims every other day(Osama was responsible for 911 => Saddam was responsible for 911 => Saddam has WMD => Ok, he didn't have WMD, but he was a dangerous guy => Ok Saddam is gone but oh, this country needs our presence )!!! *Ofcourse* his entry had to be altered all the time to take this into accomodation.:)
I think Wikipedia monitors should reconsider this one!
Else how will we keep track after another 10 years of, what US is doing trying to wipe out the Kangaroos and how exactly they were directly responsible for 911 ?:p
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because they didn't design their site in such a way as to comply with googles commandments.
biased much ?
google is not telling you what colours to use on your website. They are not telling you what content you can or cannot put. However, they have simply chosen to act against you if you spam their engine and try and make it give twisted results. Next you will be arguing that spam-filters *force* you to design your e-mails in a particular way ? Which part of "DO NOT SPAM" are you unable to understand ?
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Uh. No? I just do it beforehand on a printer. Takes probably half a day.
Not a big deal at all.
And you will stuff the 10,000 folded papers in a ballot box in a few milliseconds too ? That, I would like to see.
GP's point stands.
But you never hear someone saying "storms make me ill" (unless they got a direct hit of course!).
I have reapplied your arguement to another similar phenomenon :
If "cigarette smoking" at the sort of levels we have in our enviroment really harmed people then as soon as a "industrial chimney" went off in a nearby "factory" all these "victims" should keel over and die given the amount of "smoke" a single "chimney" puts out. But you never hear someone saying "chimneys make me ill" (unless they got "dropped into one" of course!). Far more trendy to make out they're some victim of modern techno society so they can either kids themselves its someone elses fault they're ill (and nothing to do with "asthma" or some other mental condition) or so that they can jump on the compensation bandwagon.
Oh wait... the tobacco industry already lost that arguement years back. Oh well, so much for that.
Yes, storms don't make you ill. On the other hand, you are not exposed to storms 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, are you ? If so, I suggest relocating :p
You never hear anyone say "loud sounds make me go deaf immediately". But on the other hand, being exposed to constant very loud noise over a lengthy period, DOES affects your hearing in the long run.
Ok. Kidding. Not going to happen. But I am sure some research must have been going on towards fixing this. I mean this is so obvious, it can hardly be news.
Possible result of the electronics manufacturing industry trying to downplay any such concerns, to avoid spending more on shielding etc. ? *puts tinfoil hat on*.
They should realize that their UMD format is not going anywhere :p
Soak in that Cosmic Radiation(tm) baby!
You will get awesome ability to stretch... truths, become totally unnoticed/inivisible to the the rest of the world ... or at least the female population, generate a lot of hot air ...and get into flame-wars! On the downside, you will look really ugly, like a mile of bad road.
In other words ... you will become the average slashdotter!
Oh wait....:p
Your average counterpart in India is ofcourse having a inferior standard of living than yours. Does that mean there is any moral justification to demand you should be pulled down to it ? NO! But let us come to bare survival. What do you need first of all ? Food. So tell me ... what makes your food cost a hundred times more than his ? I mean, hey ... wheat is just wheat. Apples are just apples. In theory there is nothing stopping you from buying apples produced in India at one hundredth of what you pay now. So why do you have to pay more ?
Because you can afford it. Allowing them to sell their stuff at those cheap rates, pushes down the prices of your own local produce and your government wants to protect those guys too. Protectionism. You can afford to do quality control on your food, which again drives up the price... but you can afford it. They can't. And all the anti-dumping laws keep you from getting stuff cheap. Because dumping will hurt some of your local industries. And you do not want to dependent on them. You don't trust them.(To be fair, all of this is true for every nation actually)
It will be obscene however to demand, that because there are some poor, nobody should be rich. However this philosophy runs both ways. Poor will try to become rich too. And with finite pool of wealth, and only limited wealth creation through exploitation of natural resources, means some rich will be made a bit poorer in the transaction. They are now competing with you and getting to your standard of living, at a cost to a particular small subsection of your population... namely the IT workers.
All of above just means, that you are unable to even survive on THEIR payscale, in your own country. You cannot afford to. You are in a trap. And protecting some of the industries, has just ended up hurting another one. Nobody is suggesting you should work for 80% less. I never said that once really. Instead, I pointed out that you cannot SURVIVE by working for any less. So you just need to be more competitive instead. Or get into another line of work.
It is not high compared to salaries in other jobs in USA. It is high compared to other parts of the world. And what stops it from being lowered is not a choice. It is the cost of living in USA.
And how exactly, what I am saying, is different ? I merely stated the cause. I am acknowledging the cause of *that* cause too ...that average american can't afford to take a paycut because American affluent standard of living is insanely out of touch with the rest of the world, and will make it impossible for them to survive on a lower salary.
Companies want to cut costs. You cannot *afford* to take a cut in your salary to facilitate that cost. They have an alternative available. They take it. You are caught between the fire and the frying pan.
You can ask for a law to be passed that prevents offshoring. It will work ... for a while. Eventually, your companies will become non-competitive thanks to not being able to utilize the cheaper resources... which others WILL utilize. And then they will die. Your economy will suffer, and so will you then. And what is worse, with a weakened economy, *everyobody* in your countrey suffers. Not just those working in the IT.
You don't *have* to take one for the team though, so as to speak. Adapt. Make yourself more competitive to make hiring you. Improve. And keep doing everytime the competition adapts as well. Run the Red Queen's race. Run to stay where you are. It is a harsher world now.
Or if you find it is getting too hot for yout taste, just get out of the kitchen. Hasrh again. But that is how it is now. Sorry.
For the other part you are just restating what I said. Americans and others will have to accept that they are competing on a global scale and adapt accordingly. As a second choice, you *can* demand the market to be closed for a while from global competition. But that will just make your economy lose in the long term by becoming non-competitive. And if your economy loses, you still lose eventually.
A nation of Project Managers ? Why the hell not ?!! The other side just made itself to be a nation of monkey coders.
Evolve or die.
Again, that is NOT really a good counter arguement. Yes, you may be correct.. for now! Yes, the offshore endeavours might not have good project management and "real tech understanding" ... for now. But for how long will that remain true ? Or are you claiming some kind of racial superiority so as to speak, that precludes others from developing those skills and understanding shortly enough ? When they manage to reach acceptable levels... which will be shortly soon, what THEN ?
What you have to realize is that thanks to globalisation, you are now competing not in just a local protected,closed market, but on a global scale. If you are not willing to compromise on the affluent, aberrant lifestyle, then you MUST run the Red Queen's race. You *must* constantly innovate, improve and keep your skills competitive. That is *one* solution.
The other is to accept the facts and surrender to the new reality. Move up in the chain. Learn another language, so that you can communicate better with THEM in their language, and can still manage the project. Keep them still dependent on you, instead of THEM learning your language instead *and* your skills and eliminating you from the equation completely.
Corporations find that either there IS not enough skilled talent available... or it costs a lot more thanks to NOT lowering average IT wages(in comparision to rest of the world). Hence one way or the other, the jobs get offshored to a place where it can be done more cheaply. They are even supported in this by the specialization theory of Economics(i.e. letting work done at some other place where it can be done more cheaply/productively is better for both sides in the long term).
Ofcourse, this long term gain to the majority comes at the expense of the people who lose their job. But it is not as if, it is even their own fault. They quite possibly, cannot *afford* to take a pay cut. The affluent and expensive life style of America, which is totally out of touch with the reality of the rest of the world, is to blame.
Oh well, Globalisation is a dual-edged sword. It is the great leveller of the playing field.
This is the problem with pr0n! What exactly DO you identify as pr0n ?
What about x-rated cartoons ? Hentai *is* considered pr0n! But as is with mainstream comics nowadays, you can always come with stuff that walks right on the edge. How does DoJ stop sketches to appear on the net ? What about other cultures ? In Victorian times, showing off your cleavage was normal. Showing off your ankle, calves or thigh, on the other hand were considered scandalous. In places like burqah-clad Pakistan, showing a female in a bikini would be considered pr0n.
This is actually a prime example of US government and DoJ failing to recognize the fact that Internet is no longer a US monopoly. Internet now caters to and is constituted in turn, by various other nations. It can probably use pr0n as an excuse to control the search engines based in US ... and then what ? What will stop people from accessing another search engine based in Germany that uses a more looser definition of pr0n ? Ok, so we will block that search engine. Great! Now we are now blocking sites... just like that other country we are always criticizing for censorship.
How do you stop what is all around you ? This is the great human paradox. A race that depends on procreation, wants to pretend it doesnt exists and wants to remove all traces of it. It wants to make you embarrassed of your own body.
It is ok for minors to have sex. It is ok for parents to be negligent of what their kids are doing. But it is not ok to look at some corny pictures. :p
Google has made the basics of how they rank websites, very very clear right in these two pages.
http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html
http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
Oh wait! What YOU actually want is the exact algorithem they use, so that you can push the rank of your garbage site higher, without doing any of the actual work required, or providing good content!
I am sure a truth serum was involved somewhere. :)
That is Nigerian scam you idiot! Has nothing to do with India.
Should Microsoft even be allowed to charge for fixing a problem that is caused all due to their poor product security ? What is to stop them from actually WEAKENING the security on the products in order to sell their anti-virus product better ? If anything was to be considered a monopolistic abuse, this is it.
they get lost ?
erm... in that case... can we get Bush to lead this team ?
On the other hand, this socially acquired experience mechanism is exactly how the civilization has developed.
Except in the case of music industry, with the amount of marketing the studios do, something really crappy can be passed off as "popular". And it is entirely possible that a large number of folks possibly "convince" themselves that they like a particular kind of music, just because they are trying to fit in with the "popular opinion". Even if the said piece of "music" is just plain noise and completely crap.
What would have been a far more interesting twist on the experiment(to make its inference more clearer) would be to have a two more groups. Let one group try and rank the songs as a group vote, without being provided any additional info about the songs. Then reverse the list thus arrived at, and present it to the second group. Misinform(market) to the second group that the songs actually voted the crappiest by the first group, were voted the best. And then let them vote for their favourite ones.
The results of *that* would indeed be illuminating.
But this is the guy who alters and retroactively 'edits' his statements and claims every other day(Osama was responsible for 911 => Saddam was responsible for 911 => Saddam has WMD => Ok, he didn't have WMD, but he was a dangerous guy => Ok Saddam is gone but oh, this country needs our presence )!!! *Ofcourse* his entry had to be altered all the time to take this into accomodation. :)
I think Wikipedia monitors should reconsider this one!
Else how will we keep track after another 10 years of, what US is doing trying to wipe out the Kangaroos and how exactly they were directly responsible for 911 ? :p
biased much ? google is not telling you what colours to use on your website. They are not telling you what content you can or cannot put. However, they have simply chosen to act against you if you spam their engine and try and make it give twisted results. Next you will be arguing that spam-filters *force* you to design your e-mails in a particular way ? Which part of "DO NOT SPAM" are you unable to understand ?
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Usually this would be called blackmail/extortion ofcourse.
In Corporate America, criminals/conmen sue you .... oh wait!
bugger!
Like let the dog sit on them?
Since Jack will be the one sitting on them, above statement is redundant.
you just described slashdot.