It sounds like you are open to discussing this, I would love to continue the disccusion off slashdot, would you mind emailing me directly and we can continue?
somellama@@@gmailc.om
I'm sure you can see how to make that address viable...
"Well, you lucked out with Dungeon Keeper 2. I challenge you to get "any game" to work on XP or Vista. Lots of old DOS games won't run; in fact you may have more luck using something like Freedos for some of the very old ones."
I currently own about 200 games, all of them work...
When it was first released, and for many months, there was plenty of hardware for which there wasn't a driver and lots of old hardware
True BUT drivers for Windows are typically the first out the door, with linux lagging behind as it depends on the manufactuer to support it and failing this the community.
Windows 2000, XP, or Vista? Service pack 1, 2, 3....
You are purposely making it seem like there are 500 versions of the same OS, which there aren't. The point is the answer to the problem typically is much easier to find when you compare windows to linux.
Like I said I would rather run linux, there driver and software (mainly games) support sucks, if they could concentrate on this and get it to the point of windows you would have another user willing to switch.. I don't like not having a choice but if you're honest you can admit Windows makes it easier to just get up and running with any hardware or software out there...
"But there certainly aren't any supernatural effects (i.e., except for the obvious ways mentioned above, prayer has no effect whatsoever, and if you've conducted some kind of tests that show otherwise, the reason-based world is ready and waiting to hear about it, because you'd be the first)."
Well there are sections dealing with the supernatural, which I have experienced first hand, and found them to be true...
Of course you could always turn a skeptical eye to everything, but at some point you have to make a decision for yourself if you are going to believe your senses or dismiss everything you experience, can everything be coincedence? At what point does it become something more?
Like I said, I have found everything to be true.. I know Jesus WAS God in the form of man, and is there everyday for me, if he wasn't then he wouldn't have been able to do the things he has for me.
"Yes, Vendors support what everyone is using. There is no doubt about that. But for vendors to support it, there has to be people using it, and people won't use it if it doesn't "just work."
I keep hearing this and it makes me wonder..
So what you are suggesting is that I use an OS that doesn't have the functionality I want because sometime in the future it will.. well look at it from my perspective, why would I do that? To help you feel better about your OS choice? To feel good about myself?
The Linux and Mac communities need to get hardware and software vendors to listen, to develop for their platforms, how did Microsoft do this?
You guys sit and complain about everyone using an inferior product but fail to realize this is what consumers want, until you start catering and offering comparable software and hardware support it's not gonna happen.
"This may sound like one large flame, but really its just an honest question. Why do you love Windows so much?"
I'm jump in as well, i'm no fanboi when it comes to OSes, I use linux and Windows for different reasons and actually prefer linux when it comes down to control of the OS.
Why I like MS,
1. I can play any game I want from past to present.. recently I have ben playing Dungeon keeper 2 again (game from 1998) runs just as well (actually better) than it did when i first got it because it is a windows platform game and they backward compatibility is pretty strong.
2. I can run out and buy ANY hardware I want and it will "just work", I know there will be a driver, precompiled, ready to go.
3. Ton's of software to choose from, i'm not platform limited like Macs are and I don't have to be a guru to get it to work in linux. Install it and there I go.. a lot of times you can find what you want for free as well.
4. Support, if there is a problem with the Software or OS i know there is a ton of other people who have seen the problem and most likely have a fix for it.. google and boom got the answer, linux has a great support community as well, but with linux it's which platform, which kernel, which driver version, errors in the compile, do I have the right library to compile, etc, etc, etc... Windows is one version, no forks, 90+% market share.. so the answer has already been found.
Those are 4 I thought of off of the top of my head, I could add that I have been using Windows since 95 and I understand it's roots and it's quirks but that doesn't add much to the argument.
Don't get me wrong, I love the freedom I have with Linux, and if it offered the same hardware and gaming support Windows did I would deal with the rest, I like problem solving and getting to know the nooks and crannies of OS/Hardware/Software...
When I look back at my installs of game servers on linux, I spent 3x as much time getting it to work correctly than I did in Windows, once it was running I had far more control and reporting options but getting there was half the battle.
"Have you ever thought about this? If I wrote a book based on a sociology textbook and also include some invented stuff about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you'd "test" it the same way, and find lots of valid observations, and conclude that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was true?"
If you wrote something that was true, and it could be tested to be such, then yes I would believe it as well.. what's crazy about that?
Obviously since you would make some stuff up not all of it would prove to be true now would it...
Well if I did send you $500 and I wasn't happy I would consider your teachings false.. same deal here.. I have yet to be dissappointed (sp?) by God...
What helped also was a lot of stuff i was going through already (spiritually) that was spelled out in great detail in the Bible, so i got interested right away, the more i looked, the more i tried, the more it made sense.
Everything the bible/God has told me has been truthful, compared to most of what I was told by others were lies.. so i would attribute a lot more trust to giving "him" $500 bucks before I would give you anything...
Ever heard of Wow? World of Witchcraft? (At least that's what I thought the salesman said when i bought it..) but everyone seems to be a Shaman, not a Wiccan?
"How did you test the stuff you read in the bible?"
In many parts of the bible (let's use Proverbs for example) it says if "this" is happening then do "this" and "this" will be the result.. for X do Y and result Z will occur... pretty easy.
There is a load of stuff in the bible that is testable, either neither of you have read it and thus are spousing intolerance based on nothing, or you have read it and were blinded to any critical thinking because of bias?
Proverbs is full of advice that is provable, the new testament is full of advice which is spritual and physical, both of which are testable. Just because something seems to be mythical doesn't mean it is...
"I really hate how bible-pushers can tell me to believe in God just because a book says he exists. "
Then test the things the bible says are true, that way you can see for your self they are real. If everything in the bible works the way it says it will wouldn't that help to prove that it tells the truth?
I don't believe in God because someone told me too, I read the bible saw what it said about how things are and tested them for myself and found it to be factual.. how is that deluding myself?
If you asked people to go without human contact for a period of time.. people NEED social interaction, it is bred into us, and the internet (albiet dijointed somewhat) gives us that fix...
When you see a government program that's failing horribly but yet still allowed to continue year after year, chances are it's not really failing; it's doing exactly what somebody wants it to do.
War on Drugs?
"Really? Or would they all be downloading bash scripts from pr0n emails that delete their home directories and open up high numbered ports with shells running on them?"
Possibly if they were all running as root, but that's not the default for a linux install, it is for windows XP...
I have done the same for friends or family, what i do is just re-route the program to the new browser (ie firefox) but keep the icon the same, they dont notice the difference as long as you do some minimal configuration on the browser after install.
Also for other programs I make it so they can't go back (set passwords, change install paths, different user accounts, etc) and they just adapt.. if might be hard at first (everything is) but they get used to it and eventually realize that they aren't having the problems they used to have.
Of course there are always follow up questions but they become less and less and the users begin to understand more and more.. the only time I charge is when someone doesn't (want to) learn and keeps coming back with the "problems", then i see it as a billable service.
Wow he granted you the fact that he was wrong and you were right, but put a restriction on the admittance of ignorance, limiting it to "possiblity of existence".
Of course since some words have multiple meanings, a firm grasp of the english language would mean having to read into the context of a sentence to defer the meaning (out of multiple possibilities) of a particular word when it is used.
That he is still trying to assign a particular use of a word, when it is his mistake in understanding the context, bewilders me, but i found it pleasantly distracting to muse about it in this post.
I would think being innocent is a good reason to be let out of jail, and the testimony which secured a guilty verdict being recanted should surely be reason enough for a re-trial.
Do we care so little in this country about truth and personal freedom's that we would ignore a person's right to be free because it interferes with successful prosecution percentages or sheds light on the failing of our man made criminal system?
What ever happened to 1000 guilty men going free than 1 innocent man going to jail (and in this case dying of cancer in jail)?!?!
"It was an idea put forth during the time of waring families....no advantage to be had by violating the social order."
More accurately it was one of the laws given by God to the israelites. A pattern for ultimate justice in those times: Exodus 21:23-27 "[23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, [24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, [25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. [26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. [27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."
"Sin EP1 was one of the most craptastic fits of gaming idiocy I've ever played"
The original SiN wasn't anything to write home about either.. it was ok for a bargin bin pick up, but if I had bought it at full retail price I would have felt ripped off...
Well I was using Win98SE until about 2002/2003 a little bit before SP2 came out... also around the same time that companies started using XP migrating from Windows 2000... i think it is SOP to wait until at least the first SP before trying an MS deployment, we have enough trouble keeping up with help tickets to be test driving a new MS OS...
Finding torrents that have malware might be an issue, but the "cracks" themselves are typically clean (I have yet to find one that is bundled with malware), the reason for this is that the people who "crack" the.exe files do so for reputation and respect, malware would destroy both rather quickly.
Typically the cracks remove authentication or CD check routines and effect only certain DLLs or executables.
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It sounds like you are open to discussing this, I would love to continue the disccusion off slashdot, would you mind emailing me directly and we can continue?
somellama@@@gmailc.om
I'm sure you can see how to make that address viable...
I currently own about 200 games, all of them work... When it was first released, and for many months, there was plenty of hardware for which there wasn't a driver and lots of old hardware
True BUT drivers for Windows are typically the first out the door, with linux lagging behind as it depends on the manufactuer to support it and failing this the community. Windows 2000, XP, or Vista? Service pack 1, 2, 3....
You are purposely making it seem like there are 500 versions of the same OS, which there aren't. The point is the answer to the problem typically is much easier to find when you compare windows to linux.
Like I said I would rather run linux, there driver and software (mainly games) support sucks, if they could concentrate on this and get it to the point of windows you would have another user willing to switch.. I don't like not having a choice but if you're honest you can admit Windows makes it easier to just get up and running with any hardware or software out there...
"But there certainly aren't any supernatural effects (i.e., except for the obvious ways mentioned above, prayer has no effect whatsoever, and if you've conducted some kind of tests that show otherwise, the reason-based world is ready and waiting to hear about it, because you'd be the first)."
Well there are sections dealing with the supernatural, which I have experienced first hand, and found them to be true...
Of course you could always turn a skeptical eye to everything, but at some point you have to make a decision for yourself if you are going to believe your senses or dismiss everything you experience, can everything be coincedence? At what point does it become something more?
Like I said, I have found everything to be true.. I know Jesus WAS God in the form of man, and is there everyday for me, if he wasn't then he wouldn't have been able to do the things he has for me.
"Yes, Vendors support what everyone is using. There is no doubt about that. But for vendors to support it, there has to be people using it, and people won't use it if it doesn't "just work."
I keep hearing this and it makes me wonder..
So what you are suggesting is that I use an OS that doesn't have the functionality I want because sometime in the future it will.. well look at it from my perspective, why would I do that? To help you feel better about your OS choice? To feel good about myself?
The Linux and Mac communities need to get hardware and software vendors to listen, to develop for their platforms, how did Microsoft do this?
You guys sit and complain about everyone using an inferior product but fail to realize this is what consumers want, until you start catering and offering comparable software and hardware support it's not gonna happen.
"This may sound like one large flame, but really its just an honest question. Why do you love Windows so much?"
I'm jump in as well, i'm no fanboi when it comes to OSes, I use linux and Windows for different reasons and actually prefer linux when it comes down to control of the OS.
Why I like MS,
1. I can play any game I want from past to present.. recently I have ben playing Dungeon keeper 2 again (game from 1998) runs just as well (actually better) than it did when i first got it because it is a windows platform game and they backward compatibility is pretty strong.
2. I can run out and buy ANY hardware I want and it will "just work", I know there will be a driver, precompiled, ready to go.
3. Ton's of software to choose from, i'm not platform limited like Macs are and I don't have to be a guru to get it to work in linux. Install it and there I go.. a lot of times you can find what you want for free as well.
4. Support, if there is a problem with the Software or OS i know there is a ton of other people who have seen the problem and most likely have a fix for it.. google and boom got the answer, linux has a great support community as well, but with linux it's which platform, which kernel, which driver version, errors in the compile, do I have the right library to compile, etc, etc, etc... Windows is one version, no forks, 90+% market share.. so the answer has already been found.
Those are 4 I thought of off of the top of my head, I could add that I have been using Windows since 95 and I understand it's roots and it's quirks but that doesn't add much to the argument.
Don't get me wrong, I love the freedom I have with Linux, and if it offered the same hardware and gaming support Windows did I would deal with the rest, I like problem solving and getting to know the nooks and crannies of OS/Hardware/Software...
When I look back at my installs of game servers on linux, I spent 3x as much time getting it to work correctly than I did in Windows, once it was running I had far more control and reporting options but getting there was half the battle.
"Have you ever thought about this? If I wrote a book based on a sociology textbook and also include some invented stuff about the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you'd "test" it the same way, and find lots of valid observations, and conclude that the Flying Spaghetti Monster was true?"
If you wrote something that was true, and it could be tested to be such, then yes I would believe it as well.. what's crazy about that?
Obviously since you would make some stuff up not all of it would prove to be true now would it...
Well if I did send you $500 and I wasn't happy I would consider your teachings false.. same deal here.. I have yet to be dissappointed (sp?) by God...
What helped also was a lot of stuff i was going through already (spiritually) that was spelled out in great detail in the Bible, so i got interested right away, the more i looked, the more i tried, the more it made sense.
Everything the bible/God has told me has been truthful, compared to most of what I was told by others were lies.. so i would attribute a lot more trust to giving "him" $500 bucks before I would give you anything...
Ever heard of Wow? World of Witchcraft? (At least that's what I thought the salesman said when i bought it..) but everyone seems to be a Shaman, not a Wiccan?
"How did you test the stuff you read in the bible?"
In many parts of the bible (let's use Proverbs for example) it says if "this" is happening then do "this" and "this" will be the result.. for X do Y and result Z will occur... pretty easy.
There is a load of stuff in the bible that is testable, either neither of you have read it and thus are spousing intolerance based on nothing, or you have read it and were blinded to any critical thinking because of bias?
Proverbs is full of advice that is provable, the new testament is full of advice which is spritual and physical, both of which are testable. Just because something seems to be mythical doesn't mean it is...
"I really hate how bible-pushers can tell me to believe in God just because a book says he exists. "
Then test the things the bible says are true, that way you can see for your self they are real. If everything in the bible works the way it says it will wouldn't that help to prove that it tells the truth?
I don't believe in God because someone told me too, I read the bible saw what it said about how things are and tested them for myself and found it to be factual.. how is that deluding myself?
If you asked people to go without human contact for a period of time.. people NEED social interaction, it is bred into us, and the internet (albiet dijointed somewhat) gives us that fix...
War on Drugs?
I do!! All the time!! It keeps me motivated as I clean my guns...
Possibly if they were all running as root, but that's not the default for a linux install, it is for windows XP...
""The Icons look wrong" (no joke)"
I have done the same for friends or family, what i do is just re-route the program to the new browser (ie firefox) but keep the icon the same, they dont notice the difference as long as you do some minimal configuration on the browser after install.
Also for other programs I make it so they can't go back (set passwords, change install paths, different user accounts, etc) and they just adapt.. if might be hard at first (everything is) but they get used to it and eventually realize that they aren't having the problems they used to have.
Of course there are always follow up questions but they become less and less and the users begin to understand more and more.. the only time I charge is when someone doesn't (want to) learn and keeps coming back with the "problems", then i see it as a billable service.
Wow he granted you the fact that he was wrong and you were right, but put a restriction on the admittance of ignorance, limiting it to "possiblity of existence".
Of course since some words have multiple meanings, a firm grasp of the english language would mean having to read into the context of a sentence to defer the meaning (out of multiple possibilities) of a particular word when it is used.
That he is still trying to assign a particular use of a word, when it is his mistake in understanding the context, bewilders me, but i found it pleasantly distracting to muse about it in this post.
"They had no reason to let him out of jail"
I would think being innocent is a good reason to be let out of jail, and the testimony which secured a guilty verdict being recanted should surely be reason enough for a re-trial.
Do we care so little in this country about truth and personal freedom's that we would ignore a person's right to be free because it interferes with successful prosecution percentages or sheds light on the failing of our man made criminal system?
What ever happened to 1000 guilty men going free than 1 innocent man going to jail (and in this case dying of cancer in jail)?!?!
Parent is right, they all pay a terrible penalty for being tasty. See that's why camel's are smart, they intentionally taste bad.
"It was an idea put forth during the time of waring families....no advantage to be had by violating the social order."
More accurately it was one of the laws given by God to the israelites. A pattern for ultimate justice in those times:
Exodus 21:23-27
"[23] And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
[24] Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
[25] Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
[26] And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.
[27] And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake."
"Sin EP1 was one of the most craptastic fits of gaming idiocy I've ever played"
The original SiN wasn't anything to write home about either.. it was ok for a bargin bin pick up, but if I had bought it at full retail price I would have felt ripped off...
Well I was using Win98SE until about 2002/2003 a little bit before SP2 came out... also around the same time that companies started using XP migrating from Windows 2000... i think it is SOP to wait until at least the first SP before trying an MS deployment, we have enough trouble keeping up with help tickets to be test driving a new MS OS...
So you are making decisions about what's right for your kid when the difference is akin to "picking nits". Good luck with that...
Finding torrents that have malware might be an issue, but the "cracks" themselves are typically clean (I have yet to find one that is bundled with malware), the reason for this is that the people who "crack" the .exe files do so for reputation and respect, malware would destroy both rather quickly.
Typically the cracks remove authentication or CD check routines and effect only certain DLLs or executables.