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Word of the Year - "Truthiness"

KingSkippus writes "Stephen Colbert calls it 'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' Merriam-Webster calls it their 2006 Word of the Year. The word, first introduced [Windows media] on 'The Word' segment of The Colbert Report, won by a five-to-one margin. In spite of Colbert's ironic dismissal of dictionaries and other reference books, will Colbert's coined word actually be added to those books? With media outlets like CNN and MSNBC covering it, the idea may very well have truthiness."

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  1. Poster needs to look up the definition... by Nrbelex · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ironic that the post here misuses the word...

    1. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Broken+scope · · Score: 1

      It might just might fit the definition of Irony if he wasn't you know... acting..

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    2. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by JPriest · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it just felt like the right way to use it.

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    3. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Radak · · Score: 1

      Ironic that the post here misuses the word... Poster needs to look up the defintion of truthiness? Try parent needs to look up the definition of irony. Here, I'll help you out:

      irony noun (ironies) 1 a linguistic device or form of humour that takes its effect from stating or implying the opposite of what is the case or what is intended, eg saying 'You've made a really good job of that, haven't you', when someone has done something badly.
    4. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by earlgreen · · Score: 1

      I took it to mean thee poster think CNN and MS-NBC are biased and not reporting real truth...

    5. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by denebian+devil · · Score: 1

      Ironic that the post here misuses the word... Poster needs to look up the defintion of truthiness? Try parent needs to look up the definition of irony. Here, I'll help you out:
       
        irony noun (ironies) 1 a linguistic device or form of humour that takes its effect from stating or implying the opposite of what is the case or what is intended, eg saying 'You've made a really good job of that, haven't you', when someone has done something badly. 2. incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. e.g. "How ironic that someone who posted a story about "truthiness" doesn't even know how to use the term correctly."
    6. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Radak · · Score: 1

      2. incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. e.g. "How ironic that someone who posted a story about "truthiness" doesn't even know how to use the term correctly." Do tell me in what dictionary you found that ridiculous misdefinition. Or did you just make it up because it suits your misuse of the word?
    7. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by denebian+devil · · Score: 2, Informative

      2. incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. e.g. "How ironic that someone who posted a story about "truthiness" doesn't even know how to use the term correctly." Do tell me in what dictionary you found that ridiculous misdefinition. Or did you just make it up because it suits your misuse of the word? Well, let's see. There's the American Heritage Dictionary: "2a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs. b. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity."

      Then there's Merriam-Webster: "(1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity."

      Then of course there's Princeton's WordNet: "incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs."

      See, words can have what some people call "multiple meanings." Your definition may have been one possible definition, but it was not the appropriate definition for the situation.

      I could go on, but your arrogant ignorance is starting to bore me.
    8. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Radak · · Score: 1

      Okay, I'll grant you that those definitions exist. However, to apply them to the poster's misuse of a word is at best a bit of a stretch.

    9. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Um, actually that's not ironic at all. By not looking it up, the summary is the epitome of truthiness.

      However, it is perhaps ironic that you misused "irony" in your comment.

    10. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Dabido · · Score: 1

      Irony - Full or iron. Like Conan's sword. :-)

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    11. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm, hate to burst your bubble, but that's not irony, that's /sarcasm/ :P A common American misuderstanding.

    12. Re:Poster needs to look up the definition... by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      Wow he granted you the fact that he was wrong and you were right, but put a restriction on the admittance of ignorance, limiting it to "possiblity of existence".

      Of course since some words have multiple meanings, a firm grasp of the english language would mean having to read into the context of a sentence to defer the meaning (out of multiple possibilities) of a particular word when it is used.

      That he is still trying to assign a particular use of a word, when it is his mistake in understanding the context, bewilders me, but i found it pleasantly distracting to muse about it in this post.

  2. 'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by TriezGamer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' We've already got a word for that -- it's called instinct. And it's often not related to genuine truth at all.

    1. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Do you get out much?

    2. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      Good one. Now if that were usable in the same way, all Colbert's work would have been in vain. Luckily, you're just a grammatically challenged ./er.

    3. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wouldn't go that far.

      Truthiness is a perfectly cromulent word.

    4. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by dbIII · · Score: 1
      'truth that comes from the gut, not books.'

      The problem with this is it may just steam and smell unless it can stand the test of reality.

      If something has made it into a book it has been looked at by several people first - no matter what book it is - but the attitude in this comment show the current climate of proof by intimidation instead of peer review. This is the sort of thing you expect from illiterate dancers that make a list of thirty-five "senses" becuase they have never learned the meaning of the word "perception" - you should not hear it from someone that has learned to pay attention to the world around them.

    5. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Instinct" isn't a type of truth. It's a feeling (emotion) used in lieu of facts.

      "Truthiness" is truth using emotion in lieu of facts.

      Similar, but not the same word.

    6. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, it may be synonymous with instinct, but the word "instinct" while having quite a bit of gravitas on it's own, doesn't have the same kind of gravitas as say, truthiness.

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    7. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by BeerCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      and in other news... Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc

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    8. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      If you're using emotions in lieu of facts to justify a factual claim, then it's not "truth" at all - or at least, the emotions that you are using do not make it truth. If you're making an emotional claim, then facts were never an issue anyway.

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    9. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by k_187 · · Score: 1

      exactly. that's what makes it truthiness

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    10. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by WilliamSChips · · Score: 3, Funny

      And you're a positionally challenged /.er because it's not dotslash and will never be dotslash.

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    11. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by roystgnr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' We've already got a word for that -- it's called instinct.

      Instinct and truthiness are not quite the same. Instinct refers to general inborn behaviors and motivations; truthiness applies to specific propositions and can be learned. They're often related, though. "When in danger rally behind the alpha male" and "I should trust what my parents teach me" are instinct; "Bush did a great job after 9/11" and "I know the Church is true" are truthiness.

      And it's often not related to genuine truth at all.

      Are you sure? How could Stephen Colbert steer me wrong?! But now that I think about it, I once heard a rumor that Colbert wasn't even a right winger; could you check up on that one for me too?

    12. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're using emotions in lieu of facts to justify a factual claim, then it's not "truth" at all - or at least, the emotions that you are using do not make it truth. If you're making an emotional claim, then facts were never an issue anyway.

      That sonic boom is the definition of truthiness flying over your head -- you've almost nailed it. I believe that truthiness also has to include the fact that what the person wants to be true is obectively false.

    13. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by swillden · · Score: 1

      I believe that truthiness also has to include the fact that what the person wants to be true is objectively false.

      I don't think so. The way Colbert uses the word, the question of objective fact simply has no relevance. Truthiness can overlap with truth, but it does so only by accident, and the truth is less important than the truthiness.

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    14. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like "fartiness" to me.

    15. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      A better way to say it is that truthiness is orthogonal to truth.

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    16. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Truthiness" is truth using emotion in lieu of facts.

      I don't think that definition fits either. Often something it's being applied to is an outright lie, spouted with mock conviction, to expose how silly the lie actually is.
      Being poor is a truth and the term financially challenged is a lie, told in an effort to heap tons of shit on the truth. Thruthiness exposes and defines the lie by exaggerating it to the point where anyone who hears this lie knows it for what it is.

    17. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      My gut says you don't know what you're talking about.

    18. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Except that that makes it no different from instinct...

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    19. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      My gut says your gut is wrong. What now?

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    20. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Instinct is not thinking whatsoever. It happens below the cognitive level. Emotions are instinctual. But not all instincts are emotional.

      Truthiness is based on emotion, but is a thought process used to pretend something is true merely because you want it to be. Instinct says nothing about truth.

      The words are related, but *NOT EXACTLY THE SAME*. Not even *mostly* the same. To honestly think so is to engage in truthiness yourself.

      The closest synonym for "truthiness" we have is "doublethink". Not quite the same either, but closer than "instinct" is.

    21. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Eideewt · · Score: 1

      Truth off? We're presented with a succession of facts, and whoever ignores them best wins. The winner gets a career in politics.

    22. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by swillden · · Score: 1

      A better way to say it is that truthiness is orthogonal to truth.

      That's a more succinct and precise way of stating it. Whether or not it's better depends on the mathematical vocabulary of the person with whom you're communicating.

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    23. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Whether or not it's better depends on the mathematical vocabulary of the person with whom you're communicating.

      Since when was orthogonality a concept limited to mathematics? Hell, I probably use that word more often outside of mathematics than in.

    24. Re:'truth that comes from the gut, not books.' by swillden · · Score: 1

      Since when was orthogonality a concept limited to mathematics? Hell, I probably use that word more often outside of mathematics than in.

      But how much did you use it before you learned it in math class?

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  3. I still like decider by shawn443 · · Score: 3, Funny

    As in, "I'm the decider".

    1. Re:I still like decider by dangitman · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "deciderer."

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    2. Re:I still like decider by shawn443 · · Score: 1

      as on"a"ther poster said, "true dat".

    3. Re:I still like decider by Marsmensch · · Score: 1

      Yeah... has that "I am the terminator" ring to it, doesn't it?

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  4. Heckuva Job, Brownie by derrickh · · Score: 3, Funny

    I applaude the truthitude shown by this article.

    D

    1. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a perfectly cromulent attitude.

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    2. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by pilgrim23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      indeed it is Truthistic! The gut be a gooder place then booksies to find wards

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    3. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I applaude the truthitude shown by this article.


      Truthiful article indeed.

    4. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      I don't believe that your statement is truthable. You're just saying that to be klingonimous.

      ~X~

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    5. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Double plus good!

    6. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by goodtim · · Score: 1
      I applaude the truthitude shown by this article.

      I know. Its crumbelievable.
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    7. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      And this is what happens to English when it descends into the pit known only by the phrase "Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra."

    8. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by Terminal+Saint · · Score: 1

      You're just trying to embiggen your vocabulary to sound smart...

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    9. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      indeed it is Truthistic! The gut be a gooder place then booksies to find wards

      And I thought James Joyce was dead.

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    10. Re:Heckuva Job, Brownie by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      And this is what happens to English when it descends into the pit known only by the phrase "Darmok and Jelad at Tenagra."

      Chaka, when the walls came down.

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  5. True dat by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't have any facts to back this up, but this just feels like the right decision.

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    1. Re:True dat by shawn443 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I will second that with a "fo sho".

  6. ironic dismissal? by macadamia_harold · · Score: 3, Informative

    In spite of Colbert's ironic dismissal of dictionaries and other reference books, will Colbert's coined word actually be added to those books?

    He doesn't just dismiss them. He views them as a direct threat to the only *true* primary souce, one's own gut instinct.

    1. Re:ironic dismissal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's absitively correct!

    2. Re:ironic dismissal? by scatteredbomb · · Score: 2, Funny

      one's own gut instinct. Actually i dont think it even pertains to everyone's own gut instinct, just Colbert's.
  7. Fucking Philistines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Colbert might be "funny ha ha" but he is NOT a journalist and makes NO serious commentary on politics or society. His words are no more pithier than a Beavis and Butthead skit. IN fact I would have to say that Beavis' "I am the great cornhoilio! I need tee pee for my bunghole! Are you threatening me?" are words far deeper than ANYTHING Colbert has ever said.

    I used to think Colbert was kind of cute in the way that he parodied the lefty view of Republicans. But now that they've taken him to be a serious journalist, I find both he and the liberals completely sad. Thankfully, in another four years, Bush will have proven that he is capable because Iraq will have proven out to be a success, the right will have the Whitehouse for another four years, the Democrats will have lost whatever power they gained in the last elections, and the Ownership Society will have proven out as well ensuring more Republican wins for generations to come. Ideally, I think the time has come to end the two party system and make the Democratic party illegal for the protection of future generations.

    I foresee a day when the Democratic party is finally viewed as it should have always been: equivalent to the Nazi party (they were socialists too) or the Communist party. There was once a time when the Communist party was also just as serious in this great land as the Democrats are. Thankfully, we took care of that in the 50s and we'll do the same to the Democrats today. In the marketplace of ideas of the political arena, the only parties that should be allowed to compete are the ones worthy of serious consideration: Republicans and Libertarians. Maybe the Contitution party as well. The ones that should be eliminated are the ones that claim to want to help the poor or the "underdogs". America has no room for people who won't take it on themselves to work hard and succeed.

    1. Re:Fucking Philistines! by MysticOne · · Score: 2, Funny

      A perfect example of truthiness!

    2. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Supurcell · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... and that's the word.

    3. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone learned of the word 'pity' from The O'Reilly Factor.

    4. Re:Fucking Philistines! by misleb · · Score: 1
      In the marketplace of ideas of the political arena, the only parties that should be allowed to compete are the ones worthy of serious consideration:


      You're free.... to think what we let you. Let's here it for freedom. Can I get an "amen?"

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    5. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another four years? So, you're thinking that Bush will be in office another four years? It's 2006 asshat. The last presidential election was in 2006 and unless you have the inside track into Bush planning to change presidential term limits, he's done in 2008. That's two year from now. Get your facts straight if you want to be "truthy". Frankly I find this whole thing disgusting. People are making light of serious problems in our society. America is a joke on the global stage in terms of economy and supporting it's citizens. At the same time, the joke that America is has an itchy trigger finger when it comes to starting unprovoked wars. And now Bush is talking nuclear arms against Iran if the need arises? "Party of life" my ass. It's already too late. America is doomed to more direct attacks considering the bad karma we've thrown out to the universe en masse.

    6. Re:Fucking Philistines! by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Funny

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    7. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pass the freedom fries please.

    8. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      equivalent to the Nazi party (they were socialists too) or the Communist party.

      You know those are direct opposites, right? Conservative and liberal.
      There was once a time when the Communist party was also just as serious in this great land as the Democrats are.

      You know the Democrats split off of an old party called the Democratic-Republican party, right? I'm sure you are able to discern what the other unpopular party was/is.
    9. Re:Fucking Philistines! by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      That time of the month, huh?

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    10. Re:Fucking Philistines! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      republicans and libertarians?

      Jeez, and people thought the political system now had two parties that seemed alike...

      I know you're a troll, but i've already replied, so I'll bite.

      The idea of social safety nets and social programs aren't to encourage lazy people. Quite the opposite in fact. The idea behind a Government program to say, fund higher education through Pell Grants, is to make sure that people aren't stuck working for minimum wage(a great liberal idea).

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    11. Re:Fucking Philistines! by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow, how truthy. That's exactly what Colbert would say about Colbert if Colbert weren't Colbert.

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    12. Re:Fucking Philistines! by thebjorn · · Score: 1

      Oh, go smack yourself with a clue-stick. Sheesh, don't they teach satire in high-school in your timezone?

      -bjorn
    13. Re:Fucking Philistines! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 2

      It's only satire when it's funny and absurd.

      Obviously, someone never listens to what right wing douche bags actually say.

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    14. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Evilest+Doer · · Score: 1
      I foresee a day when the Democratic party is finally viewed as it should have always been: equivalent to the Nazi party (they were socialists too)
      Ah, so that's why people like Bush, Ford, Tyson, etc invested in the Nazis. They wanted to support European socialism. Now I understand! Er, I think.
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    15. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Ha! I couldn't tell whether this was meant seriously or as colbert-style satire until I got to the communist stuff. Thanks for the laugh :-)

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    16. Re:Fucking Philistines! by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      On top of that, if I had a real social safety net, I would be more likely to take on more risky business ventures and really innovate. A social safety net is good for the economy because it encourages people to take business risks!

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    17. Re:Fucking Philistines! by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Linux conceived when Linus was at his state sponsored university? :)

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    18. Re:Fucking Philistines! by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Man, if it wasn't for that first paragraph, I'd think you were Colbert.

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    19. Re:Fucking Philistines! by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Educational funding isn't a safety net. Most people who oppose liberal social programs do not oppose spending on education (though they may oppose the way we currently spend those education dollars).

      A 'Safety Net' would be paying for somebody's health care and retirement because they blew all their money on a risky venture (which may have been the slot machines at their local casino. Or maybe they blew all their cash on their drug addiction...). If it was the kind of safety net that usually gets proposed, you wouldn't be allowed to benefit if you didn't waste all your money, but you would have to pay for it anyway. Additionally, it would be wrong to judge or comment on people who lived irresponsibly because of the safety net instead of using it for the common good.

  8. Falseitude by shawn443 · · Score: 1

    Is that a word? dictionary.com says no I say yes.

  9. This proves what is already known. by PixieDust · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Colbert, Stewart, and a lot of other charismatic, fun, but still strangely accurate, are taking over media. Sure, it's "Fake News" but the vast majority of their stuff is based on fact, much of it is taken out of context, and anyone with half a brain can take the inaccuracies out, and keep the truthiness.

    The big names in news MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, they all know it's true, in fact some of them have a sort of obsession with Colbert and Stewart. They are fun. They are reporting many of the same stories, just not doing it like they're having a root canal done at the same time. And they're not afraid to poke fun at everyone, including themselves. It's very refreshing. THAT is why they have this kind of clout. They are respected.

    1. Re:This proves what is already known. by dagamer34 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You see, once you realize that all news is really infotainment, you can just say that Stewart and Colbert are just much better as entertaining us compared to NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, etc... Oh, and they make us laugh too!

    2. Re:This proves what is already known. by Zadaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I travel out of the US (Which is about 50% of the time) I get a large majority of my news from Stewart, The Onion, and Colbert. Mostly because it's better written and better delivered than the other news sources. If "real" news could write as clearly, intelligently, and insightfully as these sources I might pay attention to it.

      And sadly, I'm still better informed than most of my American colleagues.

      They may not be "Real" news, but it keeps me entertained, informed, and isn't trying to make me hate my life and fear everyone.

      CNN on the other hand (Which seems to be in ever hotel and waiting room on the planet) delivers the news with the same false forthrightness no mater if they're covering a cat up a tree or a massacre of orphans. They attempt to give all news the same mock gravity and seriousness so you'll stay tuned it, and be afraid to turn away. Which in turn makes it all worthless.

      The approach of Stewart and Colbert is that the news is the entertainment, not much more than the Mystery Science Theater of news. Compared to the major outlets which focus on entertainment, and try to cram news into that mold, succeeding at neither entertaining nor informing.

    3. Re:This proves what is already known. by Rayonic · · Score: 1
      Colbert, Stewart, and a lot of other charismatic, fun, but still strangely accurate, are taking over media. Sure, it's "Fake News" but the vast majority of their stuff is based on fact, much of it is taken out of context, and anyone with half a brain can take the inaccuracies out, and keep the truthiness.

      I don't watch a lot of television, but from what I've seen of Colbert, his whole act seems to be a walking strawman. (The argument kind, not the farm kind.) There doesn't seem to be much else to it, other than trying to be funny about it.

      I guess I just don't see the appeal. I don't want to be lectured at, even if it is sugarcoated in humor.
    4. Re:This proves what is already known. by Bishop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      from what I've seen of Colbert, his whole act seems to be a walking strawman. That is the whole point isn't it?

    5. Re:This proves what is already known. by misanthrope101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes, Colbert's entire schtick is to parody O'Reilly. "Truthiness" isn't really a joke. He's passing it as a joke so people will listen, but what he's lampooning actually exists and effects all of us every day. Truthiness has taken the place of truth, not only in the executive branch, but in the mainstream media. Bush, Rumsfeld, or Cheney can screw up their eyes a bit, furrow their brow, give a serious, pensive look into the camera and tell us in an exasperated voice that they're trying to protect America, and that the liberals only want to hurt our nation, and people nod sympathetically, but in reality experts in the CIA, State Department, and Pentagon all said Saddam posed no credible threat, didn't have a WMD stockpile, wasn't poised to attack anyone, wasn't helping Al-Queida, had no known involvement in 9/11, and that invading Iraq would destabilize the region and make terrorism worse, not better.

      Truth places more value on this fact-based, rigorous analysis, conducted by experts in the field, than it does on the gut-feeling of Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld. A loyalty to truth means that you don't give people a free pass because they meant well and are probably decent people when they aren't making decisions that lead to tens of thousands of deaths. Truthiness ignores the fact-based analysis, distrusts the experts, and puts credence in Bush's gut-feeling. This sort of has consequences and stuff. So Colbert is joking, but not really, so faulting him for not being all that funny must be done with the knowledge that he's trying to call our attention to a collective insanity that we need to stop buying into.

    6. Re:This proves what is already known. by misanthrope101 · · Score: 1
      These shows are no more "fake" than the mainstream media. Fox News is not really news, but entertainment. It panders to a demographic to keep the eyeballs tuned in so the sponsors can sell the viewers stuff. Fox News (and all the rest) do indeed cover stuff that happened, but only part of it, and only in a way to lead to a predetermined conclusion. They regularly broadcast items that are false, and known to be false. Sometimes they recant, sometimes they don't. It's well known that, circa 2004 or so, the more heavily someone relied on Fox News for their news, the more likely they were to believe that Saddam had WMD, was directly involved in 9/11, etc.

      There is no mandate for accuracy in any of the news media, and hasn't been for some time. They get around any accusations of outright lying by not really taking on the position, but just talking about "the controversy." The Swiftboat thing is a good example--the accusations were known to be false, the thing was known to be financed by wealthy Republicans, and it was obviously, obviously a politically-motivated attack. But they talked about the controversy constantly, giving it air time, let it sink in and take effect.

      Are they evil? No, they're just a business selling a product, and doing a good job of that. CNN and the rest are the same, as are the Comedy Central shows. But at least Comedy Central asks the obvious questions and admits that the ridiculous looks ridiculous. This isn't just a few comedians saying funny stuff--much of the show is given up to video clips of politicians doing their thing. It only looks ridiculous because it is ridiculous. The mainstream media is more gentle with politicians, because they need to maintain the access they have, and otherwise the "leaks" may dry up, and they'd be reporting on easter egg hunts the rest of their lives.

    7. Re:This proves what is already known. by exley · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree that programs like The Daily Show and publications like The Onion are put together by intelligent and well-read people. Hell, they are damn right clever. It takes someone pretty sharp to come up with this (as one example; let's not forget things such as the September 11th issue or the 2000 election issue, to say nothing of The Daily Show's body of work). And I really do think that a lot of comedians out there are some of the smartest people we've got.

      But this notion of people getting the majority of their news from places like this has got to stop. I know it sounds pretty cool and progressive to dismiss traditional media and show a preference for alternative sources, but it's gotten out of hand. TDS, The Onion, etc... They're jokes first and foremost. I'd bet that the people involved with them would be the first to tell you that. Again, this isn't to detract from their intelligence or the poignance of what they have to say -- but still, the joke comes first. Announcing to the world that this is how we keep ourselves informed is not gonna get us any street cred, and that alone is enough for everyone else to hate us.

      Yeah, the "real" news outlets are far from stellar. But if you follow them you can have just as good of an idea as to what's going on in the world. If you so desire, you can even think about it, check multiple sources, and wade through the bullshit.

    8. Re:This proves what is already known. by Ignis+Flatus · · Score: 1

      yeah, i dont' get it, either. i'd like to believe the people above were just trying to make a joke, but some other practical jokers modded them up as insightful/interesting for a laugh. and you've got to admit, it is kind of funny that Colbert's viewers would become the very embodiment of that which he parodies.

    9. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If "real" news could write as clearly, intelligently, and insightfully as these sources I might pay attention to it.

      If news could write, we wouldn't need newswriters.

    10. Re:This proves what is already known. by blakestah · · Score: 1

      from what I've seen of Colbert, his whole act seems to be a walking strawman. (The argument kind, not the farm kind.) There doesn't seem to be much else to it, other than trying to be funny about it.

      I guess I just don't see the appeal. I don't want to be lectured at, even if it is sugarcoated in humor.


      Are you Bill O'Reilly?

      Colbert takes the approach of the O'Reilly factor. You know, EVERYTHING twisted and contorted to support the Republican agenda. Then, he takes all the twisting and contorting, and turns it up a notch, so that for anyone paying even a little attention, it is brilliantly facetious, sarcastic, and satirical all rolled into one.

      Plus, in his interviews, Colbert is very quick-witted. Unless Penn Jillette is the guest.

    11. Re:This proves what is already known. by Tom · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I get a large majority of my news from Stewart, The Onion, and Colbert. Mostly because it's better written and better delivered than the other news sources. If "real" news could write as clearly, intelligently, and insightfully as these sources I might pay attention to it.

      Mod parent up. :-)

      I get almost all my news from (german site) Schandmännchen - a german satire news site that is very well written and brings you the ugly truth. When everyone knows that our politicians are just trying to pretend they are important and can do things, Schandmännchen writes it. One of their favoured comment about politicians is "quick, make something illegal!".

      I find myself as well if not better informed about what's going on than my friends. Funny. Or, as the site once wrote "some days we wonder why we're doing satire at all" (reality is stranger sometimes)

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    12. Re:This proves what is already known. by evilviper · · Score: 1
      They are reporting many of the same stories, just not doing it like they're having a root canal done at the same time.

      IMHO, the quantitative difference is much more than them "having fun."

      They focus attention on more important stories, as opposed to CNN watching babies falling down wells, celebrity interviews, and all the rest of that crapfest.

      They actually do a good job of countering arguments, rather than just letting some guy say the world is flat, and moving on... This includes reading quotes or showing clips that directly contradict what the person is claiming. It's absolutely insane that it's considered "news" to just feed the public press releases, and not do ANY research (or even critical thinking) at all about the stories of the day.
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    13. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, flashback to Dan Rather. "Fake, but accurate."

    14. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Daily Show certainly is. The irony of the Colbert Report is easily lost in the deadpan style, which is too similar to that of dozens, even hundreds of right-wing commentators.

    15. Re:This proves what is already known. by BIGmog · · Score: 1

      When you travel abroad, try the BBC for news. It's a good, international, non-commercially funded, English speaking news source.

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    16. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conversely, when i travel *to* the US, which is roughly about 50% of the time, the only TV I watch is Colbert.

      And sadly, I'm still better informed than most of your american colleagues.

      Wake up people.. .You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut.

    17. Re:This proves what is already known. by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Well clearly grandparent also gets his news from /. so he's pretty much covered. I myself also only really get my news from Daily Show/Colbert and /. I'd rather get my news with an air of levity (from Stewart or from the user comments) than the air of fear constantly portrayed by the 24 hour news and even local news.

    18. Re:This proves what is already known. by Uniquitous · · Score: 1

      It's as much "news" as what can be found on the editorial page. It's all commentary, which sells very well because everybody likes having their opinions justified. Don't like what that guy on the news said? Find a news outlet that spins it your way! Fox news... the Burger King of journalism.

    19. Re:This proves what is already known. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I sure hope you're joking. But I'll bite.

      The 500 shells we've found are dud, old shells that can't be used to kill anyone, nor were they capable of harming American citizens in any of the US states. They could do skin damage, but nothing on the scale of mass death.

      Further more, WE have connection to terrorist groups in South America, Africa and Asia. It doesn't make it right, but there was no credible link between Saddam and *Al Qaeda.* Who attacked us on September 11th, 2001. Saddam supported terrorists who were operating in and out of Israel. Not America.

      Also, it is not the Iraqis will to hang Saddam. The trial was pre-rigged and you know it. I'm not saying what he did was right, but if you're going to accuse a man of crimes against humanity, do it in the Hague where he at least has a fair trial.

      The fatality rate is something along the lines of thousands a month for both US and Iraqis. Not to mention the number of attacks are being scrubbed before they go out to press. Because of this, in the 3 years we've been in Iraq, we've caused more deaths than Saddam has combined.

      I really DO hope you're joking. No one can be this ignorant to the truth of what's going on in the disaster that is Iraq.

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    20. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to watch The Daily Show when it was not so popular amongst Bush haters and how they got most of their popularity.

      Today with the episodes its really childish and they have lost the touch they used to have with Colbert and the others out there; just look at the old episodes and how they compare today. Terrible news correspondence who are not even funny anymore and the writing staff is not like what it used to be.

      Get rid of that annoying British guy who just drags out the joke so poorly.

    21. Re:This proves what is already known. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Comedy Central news is a better form of infotainment than Fox, CNN, and NBC--but it is also more factually accurate, as strange as that sounds.

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    22. Re:This proves what is already known. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop equating being better informed with being indoctrinated with predigested opinion.

      You're still getting your news from a broadcast outlet. All broadcast news is about opinion and propaganda not about delivering truth and information.

    23. Re:This proves what is already known. by initialE · · Score: 1

      In an out-of-character interview, Colbert explains his intention:

      "Truthiness is tearing apart our country, and I don't mean the argument over who came up with the word...

      It used to be, everyone was entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. But that's not the case anymore. Facts matter not at all. Perception is everything. It's certainty. People love the President because he's certain of his choices as a leader, even if the facts that back him up don't seem to exist. It's the fact that he's certain that is very appealing to a certain section of the country. I really feel a dichotomy in the American populace. What is important? What you want to be true, or what is true?...

      Truthiness is 'What I say is right, and [nothing] anyone else says could possibly be true.' It's not only that I feel it to be true, but that I feel it to be true. There's not only an emotional quality, but there's a selfish quality."

      I found it on wikipedia, you can too.

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    24. Re:This proves what is already known. by tclark · · Score: 1
      Yes, Colbert's entire schtick is to parody O'Reilly.


      This is actually pretty tough to do, since O'Reilly himself is a parody of a journalist/commentator.
    25. Re:This proves what is already known. by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1
      Sure, it's "Fake News"...

      Since when has the 'Real News' not been fake?
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    26. Re:This proves what is already known. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      David Kay is a REPUBLICAN who's been on the ground in Iraq for YEARS before the invasion as part of the UNSCOM weapons inspectors group. Not to mention he was on the ground right before and right after the invasion.

      As far as Saddam and Al Qaeda?

      http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/saddam-had-no- links-to-alqaeda/2006/09/09/1157222383981.html
      http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1013-04.ht m
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm

      "We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks" - GWB.

      I might be wrong on the number of Iraqi deaths but we have no credible source on how many have died. So go figure.

      But the trial was a joke! When Saddam was in power, it was legal for him to do what he did. Now he's being hit with post-facto law. That's very scary. If he was being charged for crimes against humanity, he should've been locked up in a cold cell in the Hague and tried there. Don't we engage in these treaties for a reason?

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    27. Re:This proves what is already known. by SQL+Error · · Score: 1
      Also, it is not the Iraqis will to hang Saddam. The trial was pre-rigged and you know it. I'm not saying what he did was right, but if you're going to accuse a man of crimes against humanity, do it in the Hague where he at least has a fair trial.
      He killed half a million of his own people. Surely the survivors have the right to hang the bastard without deferring to world opinion.
    28. Re:This proves what is already known. by radl33t · · Score: 0

      >>But onto your figures, you are still more like to die in Detriot than in a random place in Iraq, as the overall mortality rate is far lower across the country that it is there. Get real. Your statement is worthless except to show that you're clever enough not to back yourself into a hole. Baghdad is a war zone. American Patrols get attacked _every_ day on patrols 0.5mi from the green zone. Grenades and bombs go off on Hafia street _every_ day. There are 1000 km2 of uninhabited desert for every 1km2 warzone, of course your absurdly articulated statement is true. there are 2600ppl/km2 in detroit; the average for the whole of iraq is 60. There are roughly 400 murders per year in Detroit. The population is 4.5 million people = 1 murder per 11250 persons /year Lets say theres 200k troops in Iraq ( overestimate ) 2895 US troop deaths in 3.5 years = 1 death per 207 soldiers /year 23000 wounded US troops = 1 war causalty per 30 soldiers /year : It is more dangerous for a soldier to be in Iraq. It is even more dangerous for a soldier to be in Baghdad. These are impressive numbers from a DoD perspective. We are incredibly efficient at making war against a nation 1/150th our size, but Iraq is still a dangerous place for our soldiers, even more so for Iraqi soldiers.

    29. Re:This proves what is already known. by Durandal64 · · Score: 1

      You're right, they do. But they couldn't even make the trial appear fair. Seriously, how many judges did that case go through? How are we supposed to set up a democracy there when we can't even set up a criminal justice system that passes for impartial?

    30. Re:This proves what is already known. by dominion · · Score: 1


      You're kind of missing the point, though. When people say they get their news from The Onion or The Daily Show or the Colbert Report, what they mean is that they're getting their anaysis from these shows.

      Which doesn't mean that they get their news from the mainstream media. You can get your news from Agence France Press, from Al Jazeera, from the BBC, from the CBC, from satellite television, to internet RSS feeds, to the Hindu Times, to everything inbetween. There are plenty of places, especially thanks to the internet, that people can get reasonably objective reporting on events. The American mainstream media is horrendous when it comes to reporting the news. They'll stick with a handful of sensational stories all day, instead of serious reporting, they prefer yellow journalism and gossip. They would be comedy, if they weren't such tragedy in that they aren't joking...

      On the other hand, when it comes to analysis of those events, nobody hits the nail on the head like the humor outlets: Daily Show, Onion, Colbert Report.

    31. Re:This proves what is already known. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      If you don't watch a lot of TV, you're missing what he's lampooning.

      See, he's not a strawman. There are people on real TV networks that act exactly like him, or, at least, exactly like him but stupider.

      Yes, stupider. Colbert will often 'outsmart' himself, or at least he would if he were actually the person he's pretending to be, by repeating Republican talking points and then bringing up the rather obvious objection to them and then just randomly dismissing the objection with some obviously idiotic reason, or, if he talking point is just blatently factually incorrect, will appeal to 'truthiness' in that it feels correct.

      O'Reilly and other Republican talking heads don't bring up the objection.

      Colbert, to rephrase, is playing an informed Republican, vs. all the uninformed ones that manage to get airtime on the 'real' television networks. Because he's informed, he often makes literally no sense, because he states the actual facts, and then come to the official Republican conclusion, usually by inserting something that obviously isn't true in the middle.

      And I'm not talking just about Fox, although O'Reilly is a big part of it. CNN has the idiots too.

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    32. Re:This proves what is already known. by back_pages · · Score: 1
      But this notion of people getting the majority of their news from places like this has got to stop. I know it sounds pretty cool and progressive to dismiss traditional media and show a preference for alternative sources, but it's gotten out of hand.

      How about this. I get my leads on the news from The Daily Show. They bring me the punch line, then I go out and find the story myself. I can't speak for everybody, but that's a fact.

      In the last year I've read Speaking Freely - Floyd Abrams, What's the Matter with Kansas - Thomas Frank, The Assassin's Gate - George Packer, and Freakonomics - Edmund Mennis, all of which I first saw on The Daily Show. How many books have I read after seeing them on CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, combined? Zero.

      Somebody, somewhere, in the mass media industry should pay attention to that. The Daily Show suggests books about politics and I read some of them. Nobody else on television wins that honor. Not only do I find my news leads from The Daily Show, but I also find detailed, novel-length analysis through The Daily Show.

    33. Re:This proves what is already known. by npsimons · · Score: 1
      But this notion of people getting the majority of their news from places like this has got to stop.

      You have a good point. However . . .


      But if you follow them you can have just as good of an idea as to what's going on in the world.

      . . . this is where your argument falls flat on it's face . . . into a pile of manure . . . which comes directly from the ass end of the republican and democratic parties. Get back to me when your "real" news has anywhere near the intelligence, insight or even just plain journalistic integrity that The Daily Show and The Onion have.


      People aren't saying they get their news from The Daily Show and The Onion to "sound cool and progressive" (what kind of moronic fad-craving twat came up with *that* drivel?). They're saying that "real" news is so pathetic, so underinformed on important issues and so lap dog obsequious to the powers that be that the "joke" news outfits are the best place to get their news, so that's where they're going to get it.

    34. Re:This proves what is already known. by rarkm · · Score: 1

      ...and how do you know that 500 shells have been found or that they were duds? CNN? How do you know that any of the things you've cited as fact ever happened? ...how does CNN know? From the US Army? How does the army know? Who (what 'experts', what are their names, where do they live?) actually looked at the "bombs"? How does anyone know that the unnamed and unnameable experts are telling the truth?

      There's hardly a thing that any one of us knows that has not been accepted from some outside source, often without any checking on our part whatever. Even the evidence of our own eyes and ears is not reliable -- eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable at identifying suspects last seen under harrowing circumstances.

      The TRUTH is that very little of what we know is actually acquired directly by our own senses. However, most of us learn to trust information from sources we believe are 'usually reliable', and could not survive for long in the world if we did not.

      Conspiracy theorists live in their own well-deserved personal hell, because they don't believe in anything, and live perpetually on edge waiting for the hordes of ruthlessly efficient [bogeyman of choice] to break down the doors.

      However, "truthiness" is a sort of halfway state of belief: it implies that even though the factual basis for an selected assertion is known to be lacking or known to be false, the essential underlying "fact" has to be true because it fits the preconceived view of the world of the believer. In effect it's a 'I believe I can fly' attitude. It may be completely safe to have such a belief as long as you don't test it by stepping outside the window. But reality deals harshly with truthiness. Search and rescue teams pull the living and dead out of the mountains on a regular basis because novice hikers "believe" that they have acquired top-notch survival skills from their ancestors or from reading a few books or watching TV.

      In other words, "truthiness" describes the belief system of fools, of which there are a great many in public and private life. If history is a guide, this is pretty much a steady state affair. "Truthiness" is a pretty good word, even if born of irony, and deserves to be added to the dictionary.

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    35. Re:This proves what is already known. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1
      from what I've seen of Colbert, his whole act seems to be a walking strawman.
      That is the whole point isn't it?
      I think Colbert's point is that the Democrats are the Cowardly Lion
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    36. Re:This proves what is already known. by smellsofbikes · · Score: 2

      I agree with your point, but I think you're missing the larger picture. It's not that The Daily Show is a joke, and that makes relying on it as a primary information source stupid. It's that many people feel it's no more stupid to rely on The Daily Show than Fox News, or maybe even CNN, and the people who think this way are generally better-informed than the people who watch FN or CNN.
      It's a little like the linux/windows security debate: the people who use linux and say it's more secure are the sorts of people who, if they were using windows, wouldn't do the sorts of things that make windows vulnerable.
      People can derive good or bad information from most sources. Right now, the sort of people who can derive good information, are watching The Daily Show.

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    37. Re:This proves what is already known. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Uh, the shells data came from David Kay himself when he went on the Randi Rhodes show.

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    38. Re:This proves what is already known. by Rayonic · · Score: 1
      "Truthiness" isn't really a joke. He's passing it as a joke so people will listen, but what he's lampooning actually exists and effects all of us every day. Truthiness has taken the place of truth, not only in the executive branch, but in the mainstream media. [snip]

      See what I mean? Lecturing. Ranting. Only on the Colbert Report it's thinly disguised.
  10. Oh god. [WARNING: Opinion Inside] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In my opinion, Merriam-Webster needs to stick to actual words. But nonetheless, congratulations to Mr. Colbert on using his sarcastic and idiotic (but sometimes funny) show and his position in pop culture to misinform the masses like no government ever could. I hate to be the turd in the liberal punchbowl, but I hate both Stewart and Colbert with a passion for the above reason. They corrupt today's youth by giving them the impression that it's okay to take nothing seriously, even if it's a matter of national security. Oh, the things people will do to make a buck. But nonetheless, it (truthiness) is both an interesting and redundant word (Instinct works fine, and it's shorter.) :/ I've never come across it in my daily life, short of when I decide to tune in to their God-awful liberal lovefests. P.S. Let's petition Merriam-Webster to add more words. I can't seem to find "burninate" or "pwn" in their dictionary. P.P.S. I'm posting anonymously simply because people with differing opinions seem to be a rare and hunted-to-extinction breed nowadays.

    1. Re:Oh god. [WARNING: Opinion Inside] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll alert!!!

    2. Re:Oh god. [WARNING: Opinion Inside] by scatteredbomb · · Score: 1

      I think some people try to over-credit Colbert and Stewart. They do not do their shows every night to teach the youth anything. Youth should already be taught that they are very capable of coming to their own conclusions about any topic. Stewart and Colbert go out there to make jokes about politicians, celebrities, news media, or anything else worth going after to make a joke out of. They show the hypocrisy in politics, and the irony in cable news. That's what they do. They aren't telling any kid what is and isn't important. If people want to be up-tight and worried about national security, then tune into a news channel. These guys are on Comedy Central for a reason, for comedy. How they do it is up to them, who responds and enjoys their style of comedy is not.

  11. Deciding by aldo.gs · · Score: 1

    What would have Turing to say about this...

    1. Re:Deciding by Dutch_Cap · · Score: 1

      What, that flaming homosexual?

  12. I laughed the first time. by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I laughed the second through fifth times. It was a good gag.

    Now we're up to the 703rd time. I think it's time for "truthiness" to make a graceful exit from the world.

    1. Re:I laughed the first time. by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 1

      "I think it's time for "truthiness" to make a graceful exit from the world."

      Perhaps when CNN, Fox News, and their ilk stop wonks from passing along their form of truthiness thoughts as fact, then the word describing them will pass by the wayside. I'm disappointed my Firefox spell checker didn't understand "truthiness".

  13. Easier This Way by saxoholic · · Score: 1

    Well, this makes things much easier for me. If it hadn't been the word of the year, my gut would have told me it was anyway.

  14. Truthiness already made it to Wikipedia by Eideewt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    About a week ago the tag for articles suspected to be hoaxes read, "The truthiness of this article has been questioned." I would have brought it up, but I couldn't figure out where to do so. It's since been fixed.

    1. Re:Truthiness already made it to Wikipedia by Eideewt · · Score: 3, Informative

      And here's a link, as if my statement's truthiness needed augmentation.

    2. Re:Truthiness already made it to Wikipedia by saxoholic · · Score: 1

      You sure you weren't at http://www.wikiality.com/?

    3. Re:Truthiness already made it to Wikipedia by owlnation · · Score: 1

      Much as I love "truthiness" I'm personally more fond of "wikiality". They go hand in hand, and wikiality is fantastic tool for proving truthiness.

      Wikiality's ability to prove "truth" on the other hand, however...

  15. Language log... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    ...has been following this already, and they have some excellent commentary on the matter

    The Colbert Nation and like-minded crusaders for all that is truthy won this one on their own

  16. Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by denmarkw00t · · Score: 5, Informative

    The word, first introduced [Windows media]...

    Try:
    The word, first introduced...

    1. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why? Because Flash is now considered less proprietary than Windows Media?

      Guess which one works in MPlayer, Xine, VLC, ffplay, GStreamer, etc., and which doesn't?

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    2. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by strider44 · · Score: 1

      The Windows Media file doesn't work at all in 32 bit Linux even with the compatibility layer files.

    3. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      The Windows Media file doesn't work at all in 32 bit Linux even with the compatibility layer files.

      No, actually it works perfectly.
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    4. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the rest, but a flash .flv video file will play just fine in mplayer.

    5. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually SWF is as proprietary as PDF--that is to say, it only looks proprietary.

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    6. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by twistah · · Score: 1

      Guess which one plays in a browser and doesn't require downloading a large file.

    7. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by denmarkw00t · · Score: 2

      Why? Because Flash is now considered less proprietary than Windows Media?

      I'm not trying to argue about which is "less proprietary," the YouTube link is just something I wanted to provide as an alternative, as I've always had rather bad luck with Windows Media, I figured others might have too and why not make a link so that everyone possible can enjoy this great segment on 'truthiness.'

    8. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, but Flash has descended to the depths of hell and returned as an advertising media that nearly everyone I know blocks. I don't mind a few static ads or unobtrusive Google type ads, however I detest Flash ads. Flash is no longer fun or funny!

    9. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      You Linux must be broken

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    10. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by Minwee · · Score: 0
      Well, I just _know_ that it doesn't, that Flash is superior, and that following your suggestion will ultimately lead us to certain doom.

      Don't try to distract me with your books, web pages and facts.

    11. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by strider44 · · Score: 1

      It seems on my computer that it's a DRMed WMV file which doesn't work on Linux at all. Is it the case that you've tested this file and it worked on 32 bit linux rather than just assuming that it's an unprotected wmv? If that's true then could you please reply (with your distro and plugin please) so I can investigate and try and get the comedy central files working - I've tried before with mplayerplugin with no success.

    12. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      It seems on my computer that it's a DRMed WMV file which doesn't work on Linux at all.

      No, it's certainly not a DRMed file.

      Is it the case that you've tested this file and it worked on 32 bit linux rather than just assuming that it's an unprotected wmv?

      32-bit FreeBSD to be exact, but yes. MPlayer handles it just fine. I suggest looking through the output log to find out why your system is having problems with it.

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    13. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Actually SWF is as proprietary as PDF

      FLV, not SWF.

      PDF is pretty obviously an open standard, as numerous programs imlement display and conversion to/from PDF. I haven't seen any programs that handle any more than the tiniest subset of SWF yet, and FLV support in libavcodec is currently quite primitive.
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    14. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 2, Informative
      I don't know about the rest, but a flash .flv video file will play just fine in mplayer.

      No, it won't. Only a tiny subset of FLV features are supported. So, you may get lucky with older FLV files, and others encoded with just the right options, but the vast majority don't work for a damn.

      And besides that, you need the SWF plugin to parse the embedded SWF file just to get the URL to the actual FLV file it's embedding. No such nonsense with "real" multimedia formats.
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    15. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Guess which one plays in a browser and doesn't require downloading a large file.

      Videos have been embedded in browsers for more than a decade before FLV even existed.

      On Linux/BSD: mplayerplug-in, plugger, and numerous others work perfectly well.
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    16. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      Or, with mplayer (and the proprietary win32 codecs):

      mplayer `echo 'mms://a809.v9950c.c9950.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/8 09/9950/v001/comedystor.download.akamai.com/9951/_ !/com/colbert/101_welcome.wmv?auth=caEafcpbZdFa6cY cabab2aJaebBbwagaqcn-bfFD6G-dHa-AEJxoF&aifp=mtvn_0 2' | sed -e 's/ //g'`
    17. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by NereusRen · · Score: 1
      Guess which one works in MPlayer, Xine, VLC, ffplay, GStreamer, etc., and which doesn't?

      Flash video works, and wmv doesn't consistently. Ooh, ooh, did I get it right? For me, yes.

      I often have problems with recent versions of (or "protected" files encoded with) the Windows Media codec in both Xine and Mplayer. Flash Video, on the other hand (which can be grabbed as a .flv file from YouTube quite easily using the DownloadHelper extension for Firefox) plays just fine in Mplayer. Despite being a Linux user, I'd prefer the YouTube link. I'm sure .wmv is easier for you, and the point of my post was not to argue that you were wrong per se... just to remind you not to assume that everyone's else's experiences are the same as yours.

      Of course, nearly ANY other major video format would be preferable: xvid, divx, mov, mpeg, h.263/264, x.264, theora, etc.
    18. Re:Wait! What about good ol' YouTube? by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Flash video works, and wmv doesn't consistently. Ooh, ooh, did I get it right? For me, yes.

      No, you're entirely wrong.

      I often have problems with recent versions of (or "protected" files encoded with) the Windows Media codec in both Xine and Mplayer.

      You're probably talking about purchased or (P2P) pirated WMV files, which is utterly different than the subject at hand. Nobody would be stupid enough to publicly put up DRM'd WMV files, and this video is no exception.

      Flash Video, on the other hand (which can be grabbed as a .flv file from YouTube quite easily using the DownloadHelper extension for Firefox) plays just fine in Mplayer.

      Some FLV files work now. However, the majority do not. Many of the features of FLV are currently unimplimented in MPlayer.

      just to remind you not to assume that everyone's else's experiences are the same as yours.

      That is, moronic, to say the least.

      I base my comments on the facts, not one-off anecdotal experiences.

      How much code have you contributed to MPlayer lately?
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  17. I preferred the word from Firefly by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "I'm feeling truthsome": Malcolm Reynolds to Inara.

  18. Colbert did not invent this word by westcoaster004 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Despite my unending devotion to Mr. Colbert, I must point out that he did not invent the word truthiness. He, like Microsoft did with their use of the word Genuine, gave it a new meaning.

    1. Re:Colbert did not invent this word by strider44 · · Score: 1

      According to Wikipedia the original word "truthiness" was "rare and dialectal". Since I'm pretty sure no one except for linguists knew of the word, and it obviously wasn't in widespread use, it doesn't count.

    2. Re:Colbert did not invent this word by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 1

      I recommend everyone check out the first link, since you get all sorts of goodies like "pope-squatting", "man date", "jump the couch", "crotch fruit", and "sudden loss of wealth syndrome" (2000).

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    3. Re:Colbert did not invent this word by hehman · · Score: 2

      Maybe the facts show that Colbert didn't invent it, but in my gut I believe that he did.

  19. Copyright it by NonViviDaSola · · Score: 0

    Colbert should copyright it, wait until everyone is using it, and then sue any politicians he doesn't like for rights infringement! :)

    1. Re:Copyright it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and then sue any politicians he doesn't like for rights infringement!

      You sound like one of those people who would be the first to scream "bullshit" if you ever got busted for copyright infringement. Stop putting spin to this, it makes you look like the turd you are.

  20. if you define it.... by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    then the media and politicians will have to stop using it.

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  21. The frightening part of this... by testadicazzo · · Score: 1

    Is as the word gains common acceptance it will be used in a positive (i.e. non pejorative) sense. When Steve coined truthiness he was of course taking the piss out of the cavalier attitude most in government (esp Republicans) have towards truth.

    Just watch, in twenty years people will critisize truths as not being truthy enough. Steven C. will kill himself on live TV in shame...

  22. bollocks by dwater · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Truth is truth, no matter where it comes from, and it has no 'degrees' other than 100% (or 0%, I suppose), so there's no 'ness' about it, since that implies an entire range.

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    1. Re:bollocks by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, if I started pulling out your hair one follicle at a time, upon which plucking would you go from being 0% bald to 100% bald?

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    2. Re:bollocks by dwater · · Score: 1

      Since being bald is having no hair, once you have plucked the last one, then I would go from being 0% bald to 100% bald.

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    3. Re:bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if I started pulling out your hair one follicle at a time, upon which plucking would you go from being 0% bald to 100% bald? I hate this type of reasoning. That is; if I can make an analogy, it must be applicable, right? Your analogy assumes that truth is a continuum but the fact that you've applied a "bald-ness" as an analogy(which, it could be argued, is a continuum, I suppose), doesn't make that assumption right, it merely means that if truth is a continuum, it's like baldness.

      Here, let me apply my analogy. At what point, when I cut off your head, are you decapitated? Have I proved anything with that? Of course not. All I've said, is "Ooo, look at me, I can create analogies. I'm such a deep thinker."
  23. speak it like it is mofo by abandonment · · Score: 1

    amen fo' shure

  24. Godwin wants you to dismantle the Democratic Party by chuckdarw1n · · Score: 1

    Even before I clicked on the comments to this post, I knew that there would be at least one (1) Right-Wing Nutjob comparing the Democratic Party to the Nazi Party, effectively rendering this entire thread Godwinised. Being right all the time is such a burden.

  25. Hmm, impactfull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I guess the question is... how many dictionaries will be impacted by truthiness (and what will the resultant dental bill be)?

  26. The demise of English in the US by Lord_Scrumptious · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm not American, but this story reinforces an impression of Americans that I have not been able to shake off. Namely, that there is absolutely no love of the English language among the majority of it's native speakers.

    Language is always changing and dynamic, but Americans coin new words simply because they can't be bothered to pick up a dictionary and find a suitable one that already exists. American's love to think they are direct and to the point in the way they communicate (and they are in many ways), but they are also masters of obfuscation. Who else has given us words like collateral damage and downsizing? Call a spade a spade if you ask me, these are dishonest words designed to mitigate the more direct meaning of other perfectly suitable words. A commercial is a commercial but it doesn't sound quite so bad if you can call it an infomercial does it?

    When it comes to coining new words and phrases, the technology sector is the worst culprit. The list is endless (and ugly): blogs, blogging, blogosphere, podcast, plogs, folksonomy, captology, thin-slicing. Yes, there's something to be said for words that form a professional vocabulary as part of a profession, but this certainly isn't it.

    Are these words conjured up in the spirit of genuine invention or discovery? Or are they created more in the hope (expectation?) that they'll have a better chance of stimulating discussion if they appear to convey something new and original (even when they don't)?

    1. Re:The demise of English in the US by progprog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Namely, that there is absolutely no love of the English language among the majority of it's native speakers. I'm normally not a grammar Nazi, but the irony of this sentence is too much to resist.
    2. Re:The demise of English in the US by anothy · · Score: 1

      you've missed the point. of course "truthyness" obfuscates the real meaning - that's the point. Colbert was being satirical, in many ways making fun of exactly what your complaining about with regard to words like downsizing.

      and who, really, are you comparing "Americans" to? i've lived in London, and heard there probably the worst and strangest contortions of english ever. several Italian speakers i know say the same thing about most Italians - particularly those not from their region. ever asked a Guatemalan about the Spanish spoken in, say, Puerto Rico? Or a Mexican about that spoken in Guatemala, or a Spaniard about that spoken anywhere else? i think what you're noting is real, but has nothing to do with americans or geography. people, generally, simply aren't careful with formal language rules. sucks, but that's life.

      and, for future reference, in proper english one only uses "it's" as a contraction; the possessive form is "its", similar to "his" or "hers".

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    3. Re:The demise of English in the US by owlnation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not an American, but I do not agree with your post. Somewhere within your post there is a valid point, but you missed it by focusing your ad hominem attack on the US.

      Firstly, as other posters have said, watch The Colbert Report. It is intelligent and brilliant satire, the purpose of his invented words is satire, and is also valuable and necessary commentary on the manipulation of words by the (often right-wing extremist) media such as Fox News. It is also very funny.

      As to nature of manipulation of words, the biggest culprit is the advertising, promotion and marketing industry. They are closely followed by News Corp (owned by Murdoch - who is Australian, not American.) Please see the documentary "Outfoxed" if you have not done so. Bear mind that Murdoch's claws extend far beyond the US, they also own TV and Newspapers in Australia, South Africa, China, and in the UK (The Sun, The Times, Sky, and recently part of ITV).

      Much of the advertising and promotion industry is international, and UK agencies play a significant part in that - Saatchi and Saatchi as one example.

      Evidence of ad manipulation exists in words such as "free", "diet", "low fat", "extra" and many, many, many more. That's universal and also exists in other languages other than English.

      One of the most beautiful and wonderful things about English is it's ability to be bent and stretched and often broken without losing it's meaning, in fact it often gains depth and poetry from such manipulation.

      If you were to go back in time to the 16th Century I'm certain Ye Olde Slashe Dotte would have a culpatory post by M'lord Scumptious listing his bile at the disgraceful disregard for Her Most Noble Majestie's Englishe by that upstart proletarian Mr Shakespeare.

      Seriously if you can understand it, it works. Grammar Nazis, you can all burn forever in Hell. We can blame Dr Samuel Johnson for introducing language fascism, which remains utterly unnecessary to humanity.

      And finally, if you have a chance, do read Bill Bryson's book, "Made in America" for an eye-opening history of how American English is, in fact, more correct in many cases.

      Oh, and PS, if you believe the Americans have no love of language I can only assume you have never read Steinbeck.

    4. Re:The demise of English in the US by Uniquitous · · Score: 1

      Well, personally I love the English language, especially older words that have fallen out of mainstream use, aye? But as a country, the US has a great deal of diversity beyond the anglosphere. The tech sector is even more of a melting pot, for obvious reasons. English was always a bastard (or evolving, if you wish) language anyway, borrowing from everything and everyone it came across. There's no reason to hang onto any arbitrary definition of "pure" English.

    5. Re:The demise of English in the US by Radak · · Score: 1

      I'm not American, but this story reinforces an impression of Americans that I have not been able to shake off. Namely, that there is absolutely no love of the English language among the majority of it's native speakers. You might want to figure out how to form possessive pronouns properly before lambasting Americans' treatment of the English language. Here's a hint for you: With the exception of one's, possessive pronouns in English do not have apostrophes.
    6. Re:The demise of English in the US by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Fine. Read over the definition of 'truthiness' carefully, and suggest a single-word synonym. The only one I can think of is 'bellyfeel,' and because of its blatant associations with 1984, there was no way Colbert could have plausibly pretended to mean it.

      "Collateral damage" wasn't coined because some American general was too lazy to look up a synonym for "demolished schoolhouse". You cite laziness as the primary motivator, when in fact the primary motivation was to obfuscate rather than to reveal. This sort of linguistic shenanigans isn't healthy, but neither is it an entirely American phenomenon.

      "Infomercial" isn't just marketspeak for "well, okay, it's a commercial, but we want you to focus on the fact that we're giving you *information*" as you seem to suggest. In Americanese, it refers to a specific format of commercial, thirty minutes in length, used by many TV channels to fill crappy time slots with programming that they get paid for, rather than programming they have to pay for. Since it has a specific and unique meaning, it's a bad example.

      I'm perfectly fine with "blog" and "podcasting". Thin-slicing sounds like a hyped word for "snap judgment". I'd never heard of captology, and I really can't make heads or tails of it. It seems to embundle a lot of semi-related ideas that all sound intriguing. "Folksonomy" probably has some close synonyms in anthropology, but I don't know how well the mainstream would digest them. I certainly can't think of a synonym that I could use and be understood by most people.

      Sure, there is some element of hype to many of these new terms, but branding an old idea with a new term might also give you the chance to say something new about it. Take 'blog' for example. You can't call it an 'online diary' or 'web journal' because the 'diary' and 'journal' both imply a certain need for privacy, when you're actually publishing to the whole world. Even the 'log' portion of 'web log' implies something about the nature of the communication that is patently untrue. Anyhow, can you see the mainstream media sitting up and taking notice of "the online journalling community"? Using an old word starts people with the assumption that there is nothing fundamentally new going on, and I don't think that's the case with blogging.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drive my horseless carriage somewhere.

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    7. Re:The demise of English in the US by Dirtside · · Score: 1
      owned by Murdoch - who is Australian, not American.

      Rupert Murdoch is from Australia, but he became a naturalized American citizen in 1985. (Source: "New Yorker" article from a month or two ago.)
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    8. Re:The demise of English in the US by Fnordulicious · · Score: 1

      > "Folksonomy" probably has some close synonyms in anthropology, but I don't
      > know how well the mainstream would digest them. I certainly can't think of
      > a synonym that I could use and be understood by most people.

      The term in anthropology is "folk taxonomy". Analyzing folk taxonomies is a central part of ethnoscience, that is the study of how people construct and communicate systems of empirical knowledge and understanding of the world around them. The postmodernists have belittled such study for the last couple of decades however it is starting to make a resurgence.

    9. Re:The demise of English in the US by oldhack · · Score: 1
      "I'm not American, but this story reinforces an impression of Americans that I have not been able to shake off. Namely, that there is absolutely no love of the English language among the majority of it's native speakers."

      Ha! At least it shows we are not the most stuck-up, humorless people. Btw, you are mixing up a joke with euphemism.

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    10. Re:The demise of English in the US by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      I'm perfectly fine with "blog" and "podcasting".
      Blog is an ugly abbreviation of an unbeautiful word, however you look at it. And I for one can't see why there has to be a namecheck for Apple's shiny MP3 player when I just want to download a radio program from the BBC.
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    11. Re:The demise of English in the US by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      Seriously if you can understand it, it works. Grammar Nazis, you can all burn forever in Hell. We can blame Dr Samuel Johnson for introducing language fascism, which remains utterly unnecessary to humanity.

      For a second I thought you said Samuel L. Jackson.

      "I'm sick of these motherfucking snakes on this MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!!"

      I don't think this Samuel could be responsible for introducing language facism. Unless he firmly believes that every noun should be preceded by "motherfucker" and that it must be enforced with "great vengeance and furious anger."

  27. thats great! by acedotcom · · Score: 0

    but wasn't the concept of "truthiness" introduced last year?

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  28. You might want to watch an episode.... by chuckdarw1n · · Score: 1

    ...before commenting in an ignorant fashion. Since you don't watch the Colbert Report (a show whose very title is pronounced ironically), you probably won't get the irony of a word like 'truthiness'. Slang has always been a hugely important part of English, and the new slang isn't any better or worse than the slang you learned when you (ostensibly) learned the language. I actually find British slang to be more bizarre and faddish than the American sort, even that which comes from rap music / American black culture.

  29. Not a new word by verloren · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Truthiness dates from 1824 or earlier:

    OED: "1824 J. J. GURNEY in Braithwaite Mem. (1854) I. 242 Everyone who knows her is aware of her truthiness."

    (http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archiv es/002586.html)

    Not that Colbert and his writers don't deserve credit for this excellent word - I was one of the 5 to 1 who voted for it.

    1. Re:Not a new word by awol · · Score: 1

      But maybe the 1854 reference is actually an abbreviation of "true Ruthiness" referring to a certain "mother of all things" ness ???

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  30. Replyiness. by Elentari · · Score: 1

    At least it's not as insulting to the English language as "normalcy". I don't understand how this word can have a meaning other than the one carried by "truth", being the root of the word. It sounds like something girls on IM use to make themselves sound cute.

  31. Truthiness == ? by Evil+Pete · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gut instinct. Yeah right.

    What that means is "Truthiness is what agrees with my basic prejudices".

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    1. Re:Truthiness == ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does "gut instinct" and "common sense." Oscar Wilde said something to that effect, but I'm not about to dig up the quote.

  32. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell did the GP make it to +5 Insightful?

  33. We need some new cliches by BeerCat · · Score: 1

    And if the "truthiness" of the situation doesn't make you like the word "truthiness", then I suggest "drismal" (which describes the weather here a lot of the time - a portmanteau word of "dreich" and "dismal"

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  34. We already have a word for that by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    The word is "prejudice".

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    1. Re:We already have a word for that by RPoet · · Score: 1

      Save it for the crossburning, Adolf.

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  35. Grammar Nazi Alert!!! by Chineseyes · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Fo Sho" lost its appeal circa 2000 with the release of Snoop Dogg's The Last Meal but the term was not universally disposed as a term of affirmation until the release of Jay-Z's The Blueprint circa 2001 due to the popularity of the single Izzo(H.O.V.A) which borrowed heavily from Snoop Dogg's supposed "Crip Colloquialism". In actuality the proper terminology to express agreement with another party would be "Fo Shizzle" which is not "Crip Colloquialism" but a form of expression first invented by an often forgotten Funk band known as Gap Band

    What are they teaching people in school these days? ;-)

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    1. Re:Grammar Nazi Alert!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You're trying to fight truthiness with facts.

      You will lose.

      Facts are a strategic blunder in a truthiness argument.

      If you really understand truthiness, then you'll realize, for example, that it would be futile to offer me facts to the contrary if I think the "Gap Band" was so named because one of the founders took a degree in physics. I mean, it can't be a coincidence.

      It just *feels* right, and that's what's important.

      Oh, I can still say I'm open minded and might be swayed by the facts, but in the end, I can always say I have my opinion and you have yours, and who's to say who is right? As long as I know I am right, and my opinion gets equal time in the media, you won't hear me complaining. I'm happy.

  36. Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by KingSkippus · · Score: 3, Informative

    You need to look up the definition. Or at least watch the FV that I linked to.

    Colbert says:

    That brings us to tonight's word: Truthiness. Now, I'm sure that some of the word police, the "wordinistas" over at Websters are going to say, "Hey, that's not a word." Well, anybody who knows me knows that I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist.

    The fact that the "wordinistas" over at Websters have made "Truthiness" their 2006 Word of the Year is about as ironic as it gets.

    Even if you don't watch the FV that I linked to, my own submission says:

    In spite of Colbert's ironic dismissal of dictionaries and other reference books, will Colbert's coined word actually be added to those books?

    sigh I hate explaining basic things such as what irony is, but since you didn't get it, allow me to direct you to one of those noisome reference books, Webster's online dictionary. Please pay particular notice to definition 3a: "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result."

    It is possible (i.e. the "actual result of a sequence of events" is) that Colbert's word "truthiness" may eventually end up in one or more dictionaries. Colbert's satire (do I have to explain what that is, too?) dismisses books such as dictionaries precisely because they don't include words like "truthiness" (i.e. "the normal or expected result").

    Feel free to point out exactly why you don't think that's ironic. Surely you don't think that conspicuous sarcasm is the only type of irony that exists?

    If anyone who actually has a brain wants to mod the parent down and undo to the work of your unfortunate Slashdot peers who had mod points but no clue, it would probably be worthwhile. Meanwhile, I find your comment a little ironic as well. And in case you missed that, too, it's because you're using a definition of irony that must obviously be derived from "truthiness" (i.e. the actual result) instead of the real definition of the word (i.e. the expected result) in your comment. Are you starting to understand?

    1. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by Gulthek · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The GP is talking about this sentence:

      With media outlets like CNN and MSNBC covering it, the idea may very well have truthiness.


      That's not truth from the gut, that's truth from evidence.
    2. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by xigxag · · Score: 1

      Nice rant, but I think he meant that you misused the word "truthiness." Stephen Colbert didn't call it "truth that comes from the gut," "Stephen Colbert" did. And pretty much everything that "Stephen Colbert" says is not to be taken at face value. "Truthiness" is the act of setting forth a feel-good falsehood in the place of real truth.

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    3. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by KingSkippus · · Score: 1
      Nice rant

      It was a good one, wasn't it? Definitely one of my better ones. I wish I had thought to save the HTML code so that I could post it as a standard response to people saying that someone has used ironic in the wrong sense when in fact they didn't. (Which, I've observed, has become just as common or more common on Slashdot as people actually misusing the word ironic.) Oh well!

      "Truthiness" is the act of setting forth a feel-good falsehood in the place of real truth.

      Kind of like, oh, say, "truthiness" being a real word? ;-)

    4. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by denebian+devil · · Score: 1

      So, would that make it "ironic" that you jumped head first into a high-and-mighty rant at the GP over his misunderstanding of the definition of "ironic," when in fact it was you who misunderstood that he was actually referring to your mis-use of "truthiness"?

      Nice try though with the call to mod GP down. If only I had some mod points right now. I know for sure I'd be modding someone down. I'll leave it to you to figure out who. Are you starting to understand?

    5. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe the story uses the word correctly.

      I just do.

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      You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!

    6. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by denebian+devil · · Score: 1

      You gotta admit that your use of "truthiness" in the last sentence was pretty awkward and contrived. If you have to go into such a pseudo-intellectual explanation of why you used it that way, you're trying way too hard. Remember, truthiness comes from the gut, not the head!

    7. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by Hooya · · Score: 2, Funny

      i guess you could say it's ironic that most people misuse the word ironic.

    8. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by KingSkippus · · Score: 1
      So, would that make it "ironic" that you jumped head first into a high-and-mighty rant at the GP over his misunderstanding of the definition of "ironic," when in fact it was you who misunderstood that he was actually referring to your mis-use of "truthiness"?

      Maybe, except that I'm still not 100% convinced that he or she is referring to the word "truthiness." Let me remind you of the OP's ambiguous statement:

      Ironic that the post here misuses the word...

      The OP doesn't specify which word. There are three things that lead me to believe that he or she is referring to the word "ironic":

      • It's become commonplace for comments on Slashdot to criticize people for using the specific word "ironic" incorrectly. Now, it's gotten to the point that these people are usually just plain wrong and in fact they don't understand what the word means.
      • The subject of the OP's message is "Poster needs to look up the definition..." There is no official definition of the word "truthiness" to look up, and I assume that the OP knows this. Obviously, there is a definition of the word "ironic." If the OP was questioning my use of the word "truthiness," I find it more likely that they would have worded it something like, "Poster needs to listen to the definition," or "Poster needs to refer to Colbert's definition." As a corollary to this, I gave Colbert's definition ("truth that comes from the gut, not books") in the submission. I would think that's it's pretty obvious that I'm familiar with it, and that there's no need for me to "look it up."
      • Even if I used the word incorrectly, then that means that the OP is misusing the word "ironic." Let's say for the sake of argument that I totally missed the boat on what "truthiness" means. How exactly is the sentence, "With media outlets like CNN and MSNBC covering it, the idea may very well have truthiness" ironic as opposed to just being a mistake (which, remember, I'm only stipulating for the sake of argument)?
      Nice try though with the call to mod GP down. If only I had some mod points right now. I know for sure I'd be modding someone down.

      Go for it. I've got plenty of karma to burn, and frankly, there are some people that I'd consider it an honor to be modded down by. Don't be disappointed that you don't have mod points now, I'm a semi-frequent submitter and poster, so keep me on your foes list long enough, and you'll get your chance.

    9. Re:Mod parent DOWN for ignorance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      sigh I hate explaining basic things such as what irony is
      And I hate liars like you who refuse to admit it when they've made a mistake, instead trying to bullshit their way out of it by claiming to have been trying to be funny or ironic. You sound just the sort whos ego is so weak and who's so self-delusional that you may actually believe your own bullshit, though. That would make one person (you, dipshit) who buys your line of shit.
  37. Undoublplusgood by flyneye · · Score: 0

    Minitrue ref CNN MSNBC truthiness undoubleplusgood.Suspect Goldstein inspired.

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  38. About the word "truth" by 3seas · · Score: 1

    In law its often used in swearing in. "do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"
    And of course the proceedings that follow based on this is the use of thruth in a manner of "A point" this of "A point" that which often results in a distortion of what is real and honest.

    The word truth has been so distorted and manipulated that someone finally challenged it...

    The Honesty oath is now law of the land
    http://www.neo-tech.com/irs-class-action/oath.htm

    "Truthiness" is nothing more then further proof of the lessor and lessinging value of the word "truth" over "honesty."

  39. misspelled it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Falsitude

  40. Better word of the year by elgatozorbas · · Score: 2, Funny

    Nullity?

  41. Re:Well, we could put that in the dictionary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can tell that lattyware wouldn't last 2 sentences from Jabberwocky (Carroll). Go get em big guy!

  42. Truthiness and instinct by Uniquitous · · Score: 1

    As Douglas Adams tells us, once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is.

  43. Truthiness word of the yea? by abshnasko · · Score: 1

    Word.

  44. Now THAT'S truthiness! by denebian+devil · · Score: 1

    n/t

  45. Keith Olbermann by Poeir · · Score: 1

    Keith Olbermann is a recently-added anchor to the MSNBC crew. Certain segments seem inspired by The Daily Show, even if Countdown with Keith Olbermann is normally straight news. An example: when Jennifer Wilbanks started making headlines again, they cut to a picture of her and, as Keith claimed something along the lines of "She now makes money by mowing lawns... WITH HER EYES," added laser beams shooting out of her eyes (including suitable sound effects) to her photograph; Keith then said something along the lines of "Okay, that last part I made up."

    More notably, in the Top 3 Soundbites featured on Countdown, both Colbert and Stewart have had multiple appearances.

    Television news is entertainment. Colbert and Stewart are showmen, so they're better at it than the straight-laced anchors.

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    1. Re:Keith Olbermann by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Keith Olbermann (or possibly his writers?) is basically one of the few people who are actually willing to say 'This is what X said. It is a complete and utter lie.', as opposed to 'This is what X said. This is what Y said in response.'.(1)

      In other words, he is one of the only news people at the 24 hour news networks.

      1) X is usually Republicans or the Administration, which causes Republicans to dislike him, but they find it really hard to actually disagree with anything he's actually said, because, duh, it's true. And this isn't because he's 'liberal', it's because the news media actually stopped reporting facts about politics about a decade and a half ago, instead resorting to 'He said she said' reporting, and the Republicans got really good at synchronized lying.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
  46. Dare to be True? by PeterAitch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Absolute communicable truth (not to be confused with recitation of facts) is an ideal, and as such unattainable (check the philosophy section of your bookstore). Of course, the very (re)emergence of "truthiness" suggests that in some cultures/contexts this is a really useful loophole which allows an alternative gut-level relationship to be utilised (rather conveniently) for good or ill. In the old days, when it was "on-side", this was referred to as wisdom; now it's more likely to be spin.

    My favourite candidate for word of the year would be "moasting" - a combination of moaning and boasting which is all the rage at social events or workplace interactions here in the UK. Alas, as a new portmanteau word, it hasn't made it into the dictionary yet.

  47. Too much thinking on a non-issue. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm all for flexibility in language and allowing for natural patterns of evolution. The French embarrass themselves every now and then by trying to disallow such evolution saying that 'Language is a code. It must not be tampered with!'

    --As if French or English, or any language in the world for that matter, sprang into being fully conceived, or worse, that the current state of a given language is by some holy decree, its final, perfect form. That's just Ego and Fear talking.

    But honestly, the word 'Truthiness' is not one I'll ever find myself using in earnest, because it was invented through a sense of irony to make fun of Brain-dead Texans with Too Much Power.

    It's not a word. It's a joke. And a bitter one, at that.

    But if it somehow, (*cough* through ignorance *cough*), it does become a well-used word without any sense of irony attached, then so be it. But honestly, the word doesn't roll off the tongue or really describe something desperate for description enough to affect the public popular lexicon any time soon, IMHO.

    Now, can we talk about something else? This whole non-issue reminds me of the banal stupidity of the whole Political Correctness thing; that is, it's too retarded for words and should be stamped out immediately so that it doesn't piss everybody off and waste enormous amounts of time and energy.


    -FL

    1. Re:Too much thinking on a non-issue. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You know, in a lot of companies, management thinks from the gut, not from careful analysis. In such places, the word "truthiness" can fit well. It's not exclusively applicable to Texan politicos.

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    2. Re:Too much thinking on a non-issue. by eggywat · · Score: 1

      "management thinks from the gut" I agree and this is often the source of a lot of problems http://bymyreckoning.com/index.php/2006/11/09/no_b rainer_there_s_no_such_thing. "Truthiness" is somewhat redundant in my opionon other than as a humorous jide at those holding a particular outlook or philosophy. Surely it wa spreceeded by superstition, instinct and .....religion!

    3. Re:Too much thinking on a non-issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As if French or English, or any language in the world for that matter, sprang into being fully conceived, or worse, that the current state of a given language is by some holy decree, its final, perfect form. That's just Ego and Fear talking.
      A pretty close counter-example.
    4. Re:Too much thinking on a non-issue. by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      There have never been more than a few hundred Esperanto speakers, ever.

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      Please, for the good of Humanity, vote Obama.
  48. My personal truth by cabazorro · · Score: 1

    Cabazorros statements exceeding truthiness:

    "Women don't want power, they want love"
    "Global Warming is real and permeates through each and every thing in life found vexing"
    "RIAA is pure evil"
    "Apple knows my needs and desires and sells them to me at the right price"
    "C++ and pointer operations are babel's tower of software development"
    "Broadband is essential and priced right"
    and so on..

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  49. Re:Godwin wants you to dismantle the Democratic Pa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uh, that was a sarcastic comment.

  50. Choronzon must be pleased! by HiThere · · Score: 1

    "Truth! Truth! Truth!" crieth the lord of the abyss of hallucinations.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  51. Stephen's Definition ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... "that which one holds to be true regardless of what is supported by fact." colbertnation.com

    1. Re:Stephen's Definition ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So neither "instinct" nor "gut feeling" exactly.

  52. Re:The real question for slashdotters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most slashdotters probably don't know what pussy is. And no the poster doesn't mean getting a pussy at an animal shelter.

  53. Where are your mod points when you want them? by msimm · · Score: 1

    I couldn't agree more. I'd accomplish nothing but embarassing myself if I seriously tried to use the word. I really don't see how this became a story, sounds like something of a publicity stunt or maybe just some media stupidity (remember the Valley talk books?).

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  54. Merriam-Webster got played by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is so bizarre. An online poll gets rigged and suddenly it's a news story on slashdot? I wonder who does the marketing for Mr. Colbert. They are good. This is even better than the time he insults Bush to his face, getting tremendous recognition and publicity, and it's spun on slashdot as "taking a huge risk". Given the number of Stephen Colbert stories that sneak onto slashdot, one wonders if they're part of some monstrous Colbert-benefiting astroturf campaign.

  55. Truthiness Need? by El+Joyero · · Score: 1

    Why would we need another word for 'falsiness' ?

  56. But Truthiness *is* a word by gzunk · · Score: 1

    That's how language evolves, people coin new terms to describe new things. Truthiness simply describes a state of affairs that we didn't think we needed a specific word for before.

    I mean "Television" as a word didn't exist in 1850, does that mean it's not a word because it (the word) was only invented (relatively) recently? Of if you think that the Latin and Greek roots of Television give it some gravitas (Tele = Far, Vision = well, Vision) then what about "Jukebox"? or perhaps "Puck" as in Ice Hockey?

  57. Pedants Unite by gzunk · · Score: 1

    Is this one of those lateral thinking competitions? Well if you have at least one follicle then you're 0% bald (since you're not bald), but after that final little pluck - bang - 100% baldness.

    I wouldn't do it myself, Immac or a razor would be better.

    1. Re:Pedants Unite by jfodale · · Score: 1

      There's lots of people that are considered bald, but still have some hair on their head. You know, the funny looking hedges that grow above the ears but nowhere else.

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  58. Well... by gzunk · · Score: 1

    "Seriously if you can understand it, it works. Grammar Nazis, you can all burn forever in Hell. We can blame Dr Samuel Johnson for introducing language fascism, which remains utterly unnecessary to humanity."

    Sometimes Grammar is REQUIRED for understanding. What about this as a written command?

    "Loose that nut"
    "Lose that nut"

    I know that grammatically it would be "Loosen that nut", (future tense imperative) but if you're advocating a free-for-all, then I will take liberties in my examples and use adjectives as verbs :-)

  59. In a similar vein... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is the english Private Eye

  60. "Truth that comes from the gut" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Flatulence also comes from the gut, so ... truthiness is like flatulence? They both stink.

  61. Why coin a new word? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there something wrong with the word "veracity"?

  62. That's crumbelievable! by dreadlocks · · Score: 1

    though this time I think Colbert took that word from a Kraft commercial.

  63. Instincts give us an evolutionary advantage by bigjarom · · Score: 1

    They are hard-wired and do not require our being aware of them. Instincts may lead us to the occasional irrational thought or behavior, but overall they tend to benefit us as far as survival and reproduction. Total rationality is not a natural by-product of evolution, and thus we have truthiness.

  64. yes and no by misanthrope101 · · Score: 1
    He killed half a million of his own people. Surely the survivors have the right to hang the bastard without deferring to world opinion.
    The Kurds, at least, weren't "his own people." He was supressing a rebellion by which they were trying to carve out part of the country, the country that he had responsibility to keep together. If a violent faction took over part of Idaho, the rebellion would be put down, and if women and children were in the crowd, they'd be casualties.

    The US government was so aghast at Saddam's gassing of the Kurds that Donald Rumsfeld flew to Iraq to shake his hand, open diplomatic relations, and increase the amount of money we were giving him. Yes, years and years later the neocons decided they didn't want him in office, but at the time of his worst atrocities he was all cuddly with a Republican White House. Current rationalizations for war aside, I'm tired of Americans pretending as if we were minding our own business and there was a bad man out there that we finally decided to bring to justice. I'm not saying he shouldn't be brought "to justice," but we're having very selective amnesia about who shook his hand and did business with him. Yes, it should be discussed on the news when they're talking about Rumsfeld's legacy--I'd love to see them show that clip and ask if he regretted doing business with such a madman after he gassed the Kurds. That would be "fair and balanced."

  65. Sounds a lot like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truthiness sounds a lot like truthfulness. One is a word, and one is wrong, and thats the truth.

  66. Opensource English by eggywat · · Score: 1

    "Americans coin new words simply because they can't be bothered to pick up a dictionary and find a suitable one that already exists"

    Well I'm not an American either, since I hale from the UK, but I feel duty bound to disagree with this statement simply because it picks in the US, when any number of English speaking cultures including the English themselves are guilty of the same thing. As has been stated many times during this thread, language is dynamic and the mixing of cultural influences in the US will inevitably produce new and sometimes downright weird linguistic innovation.

    "Or are they created more in the hope (expectation?) that they'll have a better chance of stimulating discussion if they appear to convey something new and original (even when they don't)?"

    There is some truth in the above, but I still feel that it's not a bigt problem. Words will quickly fall out of common usage if they offer nothing fresh.

    The bottom line is that English as spoken in the UK is also the bastard child of a myriad of cultures, gathering influences from Old Norse, Old Frisian, Old Saxon, but more recently incorporating phrases and concepts from the old colonies and recent immigrants. I imagine that this later category closely mirrors the kind of influences that operate in the US today. In fact the US is now the dominant source of "English" speaking culture and is increasingly becoming the arbiter of linguistic taste. I'm constantly reminded of this by the "MTV English" spoken by people on the European mainland.

    Sometimes I hear phrase coined in the US that grate somewhat, however I'm aware that there are two sides to every coin.

    Afterall language is the original opensource project is it not?

    http://bymyreckoning.com/index.php/2006/12/11/open source_english/
  67. 2005 called by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American Dialect Society wants its Word of the Year 2005 back.

  68. Verisimilitude? by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    verisimilitude (vErIsI"mIlItju:d). Also 89 veri-similitude.
    [a. obs. F. verisimilitude (1549), or ad. L. ver_ similitudo, verisimilitudo, f. ver_ similis, verisimilis, f. ver_, gen. of verum truth, and similis like. Cf. Sp. verisimilitud, Pg. verisimilitude, It. verisimilitudine.]
    1. The fact or quality of being verisimilar; the appearance of being true or real; likeness or resemblance to truth, reality, or fact; probability.
    In very frequent use from c 1850.

    "Truthiness" however, is much more glib and poorly defined. Also, it's shiny and trendy. Therefore, a much better word in the context in which it's used.

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  69. how about now? by khallow · · Score: 1

    . . . this is where your argument falls flat on it's face . . . into a pile of manure . . . which comes directly from the ass end of the republican and democratic parties. Get back to me when your "real" news has anywhere near the intelligence, insight or even just plain journalistic integrity that The Daily Show and The Onion have.

    I'm not the original poster, but how about we get the ball rolling. CNN, Fox News, etc are already more informative than these joke sites. They don't have to be intelligent, insightful, or even honest to be that.
  70. Of course, you're right. by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
    You're SO right! Terrorism is such a big threat! Terrorists have already killed as many Americans as car accidents do in a single month!

    Okay, here in the real world, terrorism is such a paltry weak threat as to be laughable. More people die because they can't afford healthcare each year than were killed in the 9/11 attack. You want security and safety? You could get a national healthcare system for half the price of the Iraq war and make Americans vastly safer.

    Alternatively, you could grow some balls, stop crying like a pathetic baby, and realize that you live in one of the safest nations on Earth, despite Bush's best attempts to rile up terrorists against you and the DHS's insistence on spending all of its time harassing small businesses and American patriots that happen to be slightly too brown for their own good.

    And before you criticize people for not tolerating different opinions, consider for a moment that you are posting about how much you hate Colbert, Stewart, all liberals, not to mention anyone who isn't terrified every single moment of every single day, anyone who still manages to laugh at the fact that politicians are invariably drawn from amongst the very shittiest human beings on the entire planet. It's not like they're giving away national secrets -- they're laughing at the fact you're so fucking stupid that you voted for a man who can't read above the 2nd grade level and is so goddam retarded that he doesn't know how that expression about being fooled twice goes.

    The whole world is laughing at America, at its stupidity, at its abject cowardice, at its irrationality. Colbert and Stewart are trying to help you see the joke so that you can do better next time.

  71. Colbert and Stewart by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1
    The Stewart and Colbert team is, let's face it, brilliant. They didn't just tak the pulse of American politics, they ran it through an MRI. They have that bitch's number. Every time they get a chance, they make the big media look like the biggest chumps in the world. Insulting Bush was just dessert for Colbert -- the meal was lambasting the press corp in their position of strength. He cut them apart on their own turf.

    People who are even remotely clued in to what's going on in American politics (by which I mean people who aren't stupid enough to have sworn their loyalty to either of the bands of crooks) can't help but admire what they're doing. And Slashdot has an unusually high concentration of people with the insight to see how big media is destroying whatever was positive about Democracy -- people who get that CNN and Fox News are handing America over to Fascism as surely as if they'd put the Blackshirts into power personally.

    Is it really any wonder that almost everyone here loves Colbert and what he's doing?