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Is Internet Addiction a Medical Condition?

PreacherTom writes "Arising from such cases as a recent lawsuit with IBM over employee termination due to online sex chatting at work, recent debate over whether Internet abuse is a legitimate addiction, akin to alcoholism, is heating up. From the article: 'Attorneys say recognition by a court — whether in this or some future litigation — that Internet abuse is an uncontrollable addiction, and not just a bad habit, could redefine the condition as a psychological impairment worthy of protection under the Americans with Disabilities Act.' The condition could even make it into the next edition of the American Psychiatric Association's DSM, making it a full-blown neurosis. It wouldn't be a huge surprise, with a recent Stanford study showing that 14% of people state it would be 'hard to stay away from the Net for even a few days in a row."

227 comments

  1. Ridiculous, just ridiculous by udderly · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you joking? A "full-blown neurosis?" That's ridiculous. Nobody is going to get fixated on the internet.

    I would expand on my argument but I'm at work and I have to get a lot of stuff done. I'm chatting with s3xygurl15, buying Xmas presents on Amazon and selling my old Xbox on eBay. I also need to email my mom to see if she can bring me some ramen noodles or mac-n-cheese, since I won't have time to eat later 'cause I'm needed on a WoW raid in an hour.

    1. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by rwven · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think there's such thing as a specific addiction tot he internet. I think people, through genetics and upbringing, develop addictive personalities. The internet just happens to be what they latch on to. Some people delve into alcohol, some into gambling, some into MMORPG's, or a plethora of other things. Frank may be addicted to WoW, but his twin brother may focus his addiction on gambling. Both can be just as destructive as one another to your personal and professional life...

      I think pinning it on the internet is just diagnosing a symptom, not a disease.

    2. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by NemosomeN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also think people tend to jump on the "let's call it a disease" bandwagon. I, personally, like being drunk. Does that make me an alcoholic?

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    3. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by ari+wins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It may not be a all-out medical condition, but Vasocongestion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_balls certainly is. That's why I'm on the net constantly looking for ways to prevent it from happening to me.

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    4. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by PFI_Optix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think they're making a mistake in isolating "internet addiction" as a particular disorder/neurosis/whatever. They need to lump it and a few hundred other "addictions" into one category called "behavioral addiction" or something like that. It's not a dependency on the internet, it's a dependency on the regular behavior, the same as a gambling addiction.

      We can call it the Just One More Disorder, because that phrase seems to characterize the behavior pretty well (and yes, I have issues with it myself, I've made myself late for work saying "five more minutes" one time too many)

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    5. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by jadavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The internet just happens to be what they latch on to. Some people delve into alcohol, some into gambling,

      Comparing internet and gambling addiction to alcohol addictions destroys the meaning of the word "addiction". If someone is "addicted" to the internet, or gambling, and you lock them in a room, they may get bored, anxious, etc.

      However, do the same thing to someone addicted to alcohol, and they might die. That's real addiction.

      These new kinds of "addictions" are really just habits, and not much more. "Habit" used to be a word, and the word was even applied to users of hard drugs in some cases, but now it's disappeared because it's not scary enough to get attention. Every habit has been elevated to the same level as addiction to attract research funds, shift blame away from people who make poor choices, and make better headlines.

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    6. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 0

      Nope, that makes you my new drinking buddy *cheers* /me raises can o beer :)

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    7. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Seeing as so-called "addictions" seem to be so common maybe the definition of normal needs to be changed to include it. "You don't have an addiction? You are nuts!"

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    8. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by AnotherUsername · · Score: 1

      Nope, it means you are a professional. Alcoholics are quitters. They go to meetings.

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    9. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by rwven · · Score: 1

      I guess I have to agree with that. There's a big difference between a mental and physical addiction...

    10. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      However, do the same thing to someone addicted to alcohol, and they might die. That's real addiction.

      So is an addiction only an addiction if the withdrawal will kill you? By your definition opiate addiction wouldn't be an addiction. Long term abuse of opiates can cause (sometimes permanent) changes to the individuals brain chemistry. PET scans and Cognitive Skills evaluations have shown that people who have abused amphetamines have permanent changes to their neurological functions, i.e. brain damage.

      So is an addiction only an addiction if it causes permanent physiological changes? Opiates and amphetamines on the brain, alcohol on the liver, cigarettes on the lungs.

      That person you locked in the room with an internet or gambling addiction undergoes a temporary neurological change in that their brain becomes dependent on their particular activity to release dopamine. The difference between an addiction and a habit is the addicted individual has become dependent on their habit to get through the day.

    11. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing withdrawal and addiction. Addiction is defined as continued use in the face of adverse consequences. For example, I go in for surgery, and I get put on a morphine drip. After a short time my body will become physically dependant on the morphine, and when it is taken away, I will experience withdrawal. However, once the withdrawal is over (opiate withdrawal isn't nearly as dangerous as alcohol withdrawal), I will go back to my normal life and continue being healthy. For an opiate addict, EVEN AFTER the withdrawal has ended, they will continue to have cravings and eventually go back to using opiates. Thus you see, physical dependance and withdrawal are a side effect of drug addiction, not the addiction itself. In effect the withdrawal is just one (relatively minor) adverse consequence that the addict subjects themselves to in order to satify their cravings. There far more serious ones (like losing ones job, friends, family, going into debt, or in the case of drugs/alcohol killing yourself or someone else). What separates an addict from a normal person is that for a normal person, encountering anything on the above list would make us immedietely cease whatever we were doing. For an addict, the drive to use is so overwhelming that it doesn't seem to make a difference what happens to them. This mode of thinking is so detached from most people's everyday experience that it's not surprising that your average slashdotter (judging from most replies to this article) can't seem to understand it.

    12. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BakaHoushi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IANAP (I am not a psychologist) I think the OP is more or less trying to point out that there's a difference between physical addictions (alcohol, nicotine, harder drugs, etc.) and mental addictions (gaming, sex, though rarely both in the same individual =p).

      To be fair, ANYTHING can be mentally addicting in the right individual.

      Suppose a child enjoys cleaning, to a degree. Now suppose that during that child's life, s/he uses cleaning as an excuse to avoid his/her mother or farther when he hears issues involving domestic abuse, or other problems at home. Over time, the child starts to clean whenever anything even remotely stressful happens. Got a B on your report card and not an A? Clean. Car won't start? Clean. Overcooked dinner? Clean.

      What we'd have here is a classic case of a coping mechanism, though it may seem to be like an actual addiction. Studies find child to be addicted to cleaning even after the room is spotless! No.

      So there, I do suppose that was a weak example, but my point is that whether or not there is actual withdrawal physically is the key here. Does cocaine physically harm you if you take enough and then stop? Yes. Does Marijuana/other opiates? I'm not an FDA agent, but I'd say no. Long term, I don't doubt it can screw with your brain, but I think that counts as "long term effects" and not "withdrawal."

      Maybe the Internet can seem to be addicting because so many people find comfort in it. It informs us, entertains us, and often gives us at least some mean of widespread, cheap communication in a world where things seem to grow more impersonal by the day (Arguable, but many feel this way). So, I'm sure in this case, the Internet does not count as an addiction because, as the OP said, it's a symptom, not the disease. It's a sign of problems people face in modern society.

    13. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      I would expand on my argument but I'm at work and I have to get a lot of stuff done. I'm chatting with s3xygurl15, buying Xmas presents on Amazon and selling my old Xbox on eBay. I also need to email my mom to see if she can bring me some ramen noodles or mac-n-cheese, since I won't have time to eat later 'cause I'm needed on a WoW raid in an hour.

      I fear this discussion will be filled with people talking about this in two different ways. Those who think this is concerning the myriad of tasks that people use the net for in their daily lives, and those who think this is about all of the things you can do on the internet that can indeed lead you to addiction. Take myself for example.

      In the clinical sense, I would definitely say I'm addicted. If I don't constantly check on my news sites, social networking sites torrent sites and email I begin to feel very anxious. When I was on a vacation without computers once I felt like I was going through withdrawl. You see, if you're away from it for a little bit, who knows what you'll miss because of how quickly things happen now. And yes, I realize that isn't a rational fear, but addictions and mental disorders rarely are.

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    14. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by MCraigW · · Score: 3, Funny
      Got a B on your report card and not an A? Clean. Car won't start? Clean. Overcooked dinner? Clean.

      Is there any chance that I can get my children to be addicted in this way?

    15. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by drauh · · Score: 1

      well, smokers will all (well, almost all) claim that they enjoy smoking. what does that prove?

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    16. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not at all.

      You might be an alcoholic if you dont liek being drunk but for some reason are compelled to do it anyway.

    17. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by HazMathew · · Score: 0

      Yes

    18. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Froboz23 · · Score: 2, Informative

      IAAP, or at least I have a psychology degree.

      I would agree that some people are more prone to addictive behavior than others, and that the addictive people need help when their addiction gets to the point that it is interfering with their quality of life. Calling this addiction "Internet addiction" does sound more like a flashy news headline. However, in terms of treatment, the specific focus of the addiction obviously plays a factor. The therapy in this case would be two fold. First, you'd have to concentrate on reducing the patient's specific addiction, in this case to the internet. Then, you'd have to focus on the core addictive tendencies, so that the patient wouldn't just switch from internet addiction to some other addiction.

      For clarification, your analogy of a child cleaning excessively is probably a bad example. Compulsive cleaning falls under obsessive compulsive behavior. OCD behaviors appear to have a physiological basis, at least in part. OCD also differs from internet addiction in that the behavior is often irrational, and provides no benefit to the individual. An internet addict at least gets some actual benefit out of his activities, by learning new things, or making friends online. A person that cleans their room for 5 hours straight gets no benefit, other than the misattributed pleasure of the cleaning experience, because their room was probably already completely organized and spotless when they started cleaning. In OCD cases that involve hand washing, the person will often wash their hands raw, resulting in injury and possible infection.

      Pharmacological therapies are the most effective at helping OCD patients, combined with behavioral or cognative therapy. Internet addiction, on the other hand, would probably not require any medication, and could be resolved directly through behavioral or cognative therapy.

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    19. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Cryssen · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're now confusing the word addiction (the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma) with dependence (being abnormally tolerant to and dependent on something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming) The word habit is still out there, and means hat it always did. A Habit is something you do just because you usually do it. An addiction is compulsory, I leave the toilet seat up out of habit, not because I'm addicted to leaving the toilet seat up.

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    20. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BakaHoushi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, this is probably why I'm not going to be a psychology major.

      I do think my point stands, though. The Internet is not a physical addiction, and it's not all bad. The only harm from overuse of the Internet, for the most part, is the opportunity cost of what else you could be doing with that time (for example, exercise, socializing in person, working on a cure for cancer, etc.) And some time spent on the net has its benefits. Just as alcohol in small doses can have its benefits (IIRC).

      I think the key difference is all in substitutions. The Internet can be substituted. The Internet is merely a delivery system. Information, shopping, socializing, and, of course, pornography, are all available in other sources. With an addiction to nicotine and alcohol, there is no substitute. Going without these causes the person to go into withdrawal. So behavioral training vs. medication is probably a good place to start in defining something as a habit (bad or not) vs. an addiction.

    21. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      You don't know many smokers do you.. Almost every person I know that smokes knows that they "should" quit.

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    22. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by crabpeople · · Score: 1
      "However, do the same thing to someone addicted to alcohol, and they might die. That's real addiction."

      Um wow. Are you stupid? How does that make sense at all? You might die by not drinking alcohol? I am an alcoholic (few drinks to a bottle every day) but had no problem stopping for a few weeks after I had surgery. Its called self control. All these so called addictions are just people happier being addicted than they would be not addicted. I certainly didnt die for lack of alcohol. Reality was really fucking boring, and I cleaned my house alot more, but death? Who the fuck even claims that besides you! Seriously. This is the first time I've ever heard that people can die from alcohol withdrawl. Even heroin or ciggarettes withdrawl you dont "die" from. You were obviously modded up by someone, can anyone tell me where he is getting this from???

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    23. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by drauh · · Score: 1

      on the contrary, i know many smokers. ask the ones you know, "do you like smoking?" just because they know they should quit doesn't mean that they don't like to do it. i'll wager most people with substance addictions will claim to enjoy consuming the substance.

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    24. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'll wager most people with substance addictions will claim to enjoy consuming the substance.

      Umm yeah, how do you think they got addicted in the first place.

      not many people are think, boy that sucked, I guess Ill keep doign it until i get physically addicted to to.

      Narcotics, nicotine, and alcohol are fun to do, that is why people start doing them enough to become addicted.

    25. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, OP is a moron, but he's technically correct. Withdrawal from alcoholism is the only withdrawal that's ever killed anyone. Heroin, narcotic, etc. withdrawal don't kill you (although the symptoms are a nightmare). Physiological addiction to alcohol is strong and can definitely kill you if the person was heavily addicted.

    26. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      "This is the first time I've ever heard that people can die from alcohol withdrawl."

      Look up "delirium tremens". Never mind, I'll do it for you.

      From Wikipedia:

      "Five percent of acute ethanol withdrawal cases progress to delirium tremens[1]. Unlike the withdrawal syndrome associated with opiate or stimulant addiction, delirium tremens (and alcohol withdrawal in general) can be fatal. Mortality can be up to 35% if untreated, though if treated early, death rates may be as low as 5%."

      It sounds like you abuse alcohol, or are a "problem drinker". You are most likely NOT an alcoholic ,or you wouldn't describe going dry for a few weeks as "no problem". However, since you know so little about the disease from which you profess to suffer, I suggest you increase your alcohol content until you are actually addicted, and THEN do a cold turkey withdrawal - alone. If you survive the DT's, perhaps you will think twice about shooting your mouth off about something about which you obviously have little knowledge. If you die, not only will you add knowledge to your little part of the world (for a short time anyway), you will make the world a better place by removing yourself from it.

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    27. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I am an alcoholic (few drinks to a bottle every day) but had no problem stopping for a few weeks after I had surgery. Its called self control.

      If you can stop you're not an alcoholic. You may drink every night, but if you can exhibit the self-control to have only one drink then you're not an alcoholic. An alcoholic can't have just one drink. Yes, that's simplistic but it delivers the point.

      And for your reference:

      Background: Delirium tremens (DT) is a potentially fatal form of ethanol (alcohol) withdrawal. Symptoms of ethanol withdrawal and DT have been recognized for hundreds of years, but the debate over their etiology continued into the 1950s. The work of Victor and Adams as well as Isbell finally demonstrated the symptoms related to ethanol abstinence.

      http://www.emedicine.com/EMERG/topic123.htm www.emedicine.com

    28. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by 5KVGhost · · Score: 1

      Amen. If I had mod points right now, they would be yours.

    29. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      I think it might be best described as a mild form of obsessive behavior, and that there may be an underlying cause to the varied addictions. There are chat fiends, MMORPG junkies, social network (MySpace) addicts, media collectors, et cetera. This same sort of behavior can be seen directed toward any number of activities, from complusive exercising (that doesn't stem from a warped self-image) to habitual TV viewing to electric train construction.

      And no, it's not quite *that* common. It approaches addiction when you start to consistently choose it over more important things, like getting to work on time (like I've done in the past) or spending time with your family or paying bills. Addiction is unhealthy.

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    30. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by udderly · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably nitpicking but barbiturate withdrawal can apparently also be fatal.

    31. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by mandelbr0t · · Score: 1

      Mental withdrawal effects can also be fatal, though not as directly. I'd bet that suicide kills a number of people suffering from withdrawal effects from substances such as alcohol, cocaine and heroin.

      mandelbr0t

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    32. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      Spoken like someone who hasn't got a clue.

      I am a recovering compulsive gambler.

      Addiction of any sort can be fairly accurately diagnosed by the "20 questions" that most 12 step programs offer. Have a look at http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/20questions.html to see what I mean.

      I know for myself that despite all logical and rational understanding to the contrary I would, at my worst, do anything to keep gambling. I personally know of people who lost families, jobs, went to jail, committed terrible crimes, literally starved themselves in order to keep gambling. I knew a couple of people who after long battles with this illness committed suicide because they could no longer keep up the fight.

      I am aware that there is a preponderance of models and schools of thought on this area (well highlighted by the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction).

      Addicts of any kind share one common fundamental characteristic - when in the grip of addiction they hold nothing to be holy. There is absolutely no barrier (other than physical restraint) that could stop them from satisfying that craving. No thought of kids, family, God, the law, self-respect - nothing can beat that insidious desire.

      So, no offence but you are talking through your arse.

      And if you really want to learn about addiction - Google for your nearest GA chapter, call and ask if you can attend a meeting as an observer. I can guarantee you will change your perception of addiction.

    33. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BlackSabbath · · Score: 1

      I forgot to add that the first time I went to GA I got a perfect score on the 20 questions.

    34. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by NemosomeN · · Score: 1

      Your analogy would work if anyone ever referred to smoking as a disease. Never heard the ever.

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    35. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I, personally, like being drunk. Does that make me an alcoholic?

      No, but not liking being sober does.

    36. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1
      IANAP (I am not a psychologist) I think the OP is more or less trying to point out that there's a difference between physical addictions (alcohol, nicotine, harder drugs, etc.) and mental addictions (gaming, sex, though rarely both in the same individual =p).

      IANAP (I am not a physicist), but isn't the brain a physical object?

    37. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BakaHoushi · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or foolish or not. But anyway...

      It is indeed a physical object. But what I'm saying is a "physical addiction" is when the body will go through withdrawal. In other words, not using/consuming your addiction will cause you to act/appear/become ill. In the case of a mental addiction, I mean that being separated from the addiction may not be pleasant, but it will not cause you to develop a sickness. Someone who smokes a pack a day for 30 years will have problems not smoking for a single day, and his body will show it quite prominently.

      A man who watches an hour of TV everyday for 30 years will not get sick if he spends a whole day outside (at least, he won't get sick from the separation from the TV. Flora, fauna, and the nasty sun... now THEY can be a man's bane.)

    38. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1
      Someone who smokes a pack a day for 30 years will have problems not smoking for a single day, and his body will show it quite prominently.
      A man who watches an hour of TV everyday for 30 years will not get sick if he spends a whole day outside

      Usually not. After all, an hour of TV a day is hardly comparable to a pack of cigarettes a day. But what if he does? What if removal of the television causes him to become anxious, to pace back and forth, to sweat, to cry?

    39. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by BakaHoushi · · Score: 1

      Okay, you're probably right. Let's up that dosage to 5 hours a day... or what have you. These are rough estimates, so let's just say "a lot."

      But in your hypothetical, again, we must ask ourself: WHY is he sweating, crying, and pacing? I don't believe it's because he physically needs TV. It's a case of what does the TV supply him with? Perhaps it helps keep his mind off the problems in his life. Maybe he has a strong desire to be accepted, and finds it easier when he watches a lot of TV, and as such, has a lot to discuss with people who also watch a lot. Perhaps he's an obsessive completionist, and can't miss an episode of a show.

      In all of these cases, it's not the TV that makes him feel this way, it's his own thought patterns. A lack of television does not make him sick. It is the lack of services provided by a TV. If he could get his fix of knowing what happened on $SHOW or what happened in the life of $CELEBRITY, he would more than likely be fine with that. Anything resembling withdrawal would more than likely be related to a social disorder, rather than an addiction.

      Now, if a man did have a physical addiction to a television set... I don't know. What if I walked through this wall beside me? It's obviously impossible, but if it happened, I suppose it WOULD be possible. Probably best to assume, however, it doesn't happen unless some sort of new evidence suggests otherwise.

    40. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1
      But in your hypothetical, again, we must ask ourself: WHY is he sweating, crying, and pacing? I don't believe it's because he physically needs TV.

      First off, it's not my hypothetical, I was just running with it :). Secondly, maybe in some cases the television could be substituted for something else. But if a heroin addict can eleviate withdrawal symptoms with methadone, do we say he doesn't physically need heroin?

      In all of these cases, it's not the TV that makes him feel this way, it's his own thought patterns.

      The thought patterns are a result of the TV watching, though. Back to the heroin addict, we could say it's not the heroin that makes him feel this way, it's the opioid receptors. But we'd just be nitpicking, in my opinion.

      Bear in mind now, my assumption to this entire argument is rooted in the belief that the actions of a person are determined solely by physical causality. Add in free will or some other metaphysical concepts and the whole thing goes out the window.

    41. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by jadavis · · Score: 1

      I can guarantee you will change your perception of addiction.

      A gambling problem can be very bad. But if you can physically die or suffer permanent damage from withdrawl, like with alcohol, it's in a different league all together.

      If calling a problem an addiction helps you to solve it, more power to you.

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    42. Re:Ridiculous, just ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Yes, Life is also an addiction, as long as there is AIR!
      They say find the balance. I guess they mean, hold your breath.

  2. Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Funny

      To quote the hilarious Marcu Brigstocke talking about the effects of video games on today's youth: "If Pac-Man had affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."

    2. Re:Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by DaveCar · · Score: 1

      To quote the innimitable Tristan A. Farnon: "My Pac-Man fever is now full-blown Pac-Man AIDS!"

    3. Re:Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by unformed · · Score: 0

      I've got 1998 on the phone here. It wants its joke back.

    4. Re:Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

      I've got 1935 on the phone. It wants its retort to an old joke back.

    5. Re:Well, I had Pac-Man fever in the 80's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HAHAHA !! What the fuck... giggle giggle

  3. Addicted to talking to your friends by dvice_null · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can be addicted to Internet as much as you can be addicted to paying your bills, talking with your friends, watching tv or playing games, because you can do all this on the Internet. How often do you hear that someone is addicted to talking with his/her friends?

    1. Re:Addicted to talking to your friends by TodMinuit · · Score: 1, Funny

      How often do you hear that someone is addicted to talking with his/her friends?

      I think this is the wrong place to ask such a question.

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  4. yes, an addiction by Gabest · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... as much as wearing clothes.

    1. Re:yes, an addiction by ShadoHawk · · Score: 1, Funny

      ... as much as wearing clothes.
      I am trying to fight this addiction, but I just can't seem to find the right support groups in the area. Something about it being too cold outside. I guess I should move to where it is a bit warmer.





      My karma is bad and no one will see this. *cries* How did it get this way?
    2. Re:yes, an addiction by Frozen+Void · · Score: 1

      Far more dangerous is the ingestion of Dihydrogen monoxide,and that stuff can be purchased freely.

  5. That's Easy. by mfh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No. It's just that it's a positive thing and when you remove it, you are left with negative feelings. So it may seem like an addiction but it's actually more like oxygen.

    When I can't get online, I am being deprived of stimulus that makes me feel efficient. When I have to thumb through hard paper manuals to get info, it makes me feel sad, aggrivated and annoyed.

    I stop looking and wait for it to come back online. I do something else.

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    1. Re:That's Easy. by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      When I have to thumb through hard paper manuals to get info, it makes me feel sad, aggrivated and annoyed.

      /motions to leather couch, scribbles furiously on notepad

      Hmmm, interesting, how long have you had these feelings? What does this inkblot look like?

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    2. Re:That's Easy. by mfh · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG how did u get a picture of the Intarweb????

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  6. Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by goldspider · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's just save some time and determine every form of antisocial behavior to be a disease. That way when we fuck up, we don't have to blame it on our character flaws.

    It's the disease, ya know. I can't help it.

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  7. It must be an Addiction by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Funny

    And if it wasn't for the addiction, I wouldn't be reading this now to know that.

    Now, if it became an ADA issue, how would an employer compensate? By putting them in front of an IBM Selectric instead of an ThinkPad?

    1. Re:It must be an Addiction by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 1

      IBM Selectric instead of a ThinkPad?

      Sorry about the typo. My Selectric is a little slow to respond.

    2. Re:It must be an Addiction by robot_lords_of_tokyo · · Score: 1

      Now, if it became an ADA issue, how would an employer compensate? by taking the job and quickly moving it to a country that doesn't have a problem with internet addiction

    3. Re:It must be an Addiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good thought, since if it is disease, they cannot be around a computer anymore, but they also could not fire them. So if that is the case, they have to work away from computers. Mow the lawn of the office with a push mower, and i bet they get over the "disease" pretty quickly.

  8. Perhaps by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's face it, people get addicted off of all sorts of things: alcohol, drugs, skydiving, mountain climbing, etc. Why should Internet use be any different? Especially if you find it useful to discover information about or talk to people with interests in something you yourself enjoy. And look at MMPORGs -- are you saying WoW doesn't suck large numbers of people in?

    But there's being addicted, and then there's it being a "disease." Frankly, I think B. F. Skinner would scoff at the notion. To him, everything was stimulus -> response -> reinforcement, and the more reinforcing an activity was, the more an organism would engage in it. It's not a "disease" as such, but something hard-wired into out neural make-up, and the Internet has the potential to tap into that just like anything else.

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    1. Re:Perhaps by epiphani · · Score: 1

      I think MMORPGs can be an addiction. I think IRC can be an addiction. I don't think "the internet" can be an addiction.

      The internet is only a medium. One can be addicted to certain content it contains, however one cannot be addicted to the medium itself.

      I dislike being away from the internet for more than a few days because it feels to me like I have been away from the rest of the world when that happens. When I am away from the internet for a week, its generally because I'm away from -everything- for a week. I love vacations, but you come back from that wondering whether someone has dropped another atomic bomb while you were out, and wondering if society has reverted to cannibalism while you were out.

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    2. Re:Perhaps by Billosaur · · Score: 1

      I think MMORPGs can be an addiction. I think IRC can be an addiction. I don't think "the internet" can be an addiction.

      Therein lies the crux of the issue: do we blame "The Internet" or do we blame the profusion of activities the Internet allows you to indulge in (email, video, MMORPGs, porn, chat, etc.)? Put another way: who is to blame for an alcoholic's problem -- the alcoholic who buys the liquor or the store that sells the liquor? Blaming the Net for an addiction is blaming the store. Any addiction starts squarely with the addict. If you let anything in your world dominate what you do in your life, whether it be drugs, alcohol, fire, the Internet, it starts and ends with you. I don't tend to think of addictions as a mental illness, a la schizophrenia or bipolar disorder -- they're the simple overloading of a natural mechanism, and there are plenty of remedies available to deal with them.

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    3. Re:Perhaps by tehcyder · · Score: 1
      the profusion of activities the Internet allows you to indulge in (email, video, MMORPGs, porn, chat, etc.)
      That's right, porn via email, porn via video, role playing games with porn characters, porn, chat about porn, all human life is there. Oh, and porn, did I mention that?
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  9. I actually took the time to translate an article by Vintermann · · Score: 5, Informative

    on this. I quote myself:

    The official diagnosis systems ICD and DSM currently have identical criteria for addiction to alcohol, illegal drugs and tobacco. Addiction to gambling, sex, internet etc are not mentioned, but psychologists who care about these addictions obviously use equivalient definitions.
    The diagnosis systems mention 6-7 possible symptoms which can be classified into three groups:
    - increased tolerance and/or abstinence problems
    - signs of loss of control (strong craving/ compulsiveness or drinking more than planned or failed to cut down on use)
    - damaging effects (social, health or work-related)
    Currently no "symptoms" are mandatory. The addiction diagnosis demands that one has at least 3 of 6 symptoms through the previous year (ICD-10) or 4 of 7 at one point in life (DSM-IV). One does not need to have symptoms from all three groups, for instance is lack of control not a prerequsite.
    Compared to regular medical diagnoses, it's remarkable that the important boundary between healthy and ill is set at an arbitrarily chosen number of symptoms (3 out of 6 or 4 out of 7)

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  10. If it is, then.. by s31523 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... so is masturbation. Seriously, though, come'on!

    1. Re:If it is, then.. by Idbar · · Score: 1

      Downloading prOn and masturbating several times a day might be a real issue of sexual and internet addiction...

      I've been downloading and... oh, wait... it's ok.

    2. Re:If it is, then.. by faridx82 · · Score: 0

      john? Is that you?

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  11. Back in the day. by the+dark+hero · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I experienced internet withdrawals back in 2002 when my DSL was taken away from me. The first month was hell. After three months i had totally forgotten i ever had the internet. The addiction is real as is an addiction to anything. The reason it's being considered a medical condition is because of the popularity of the addiction. I can honestly say i haven't had my own broadband connection until a month ago and now i feel i dont know how to surf the web, but atleast i dont waste time in front of a computer as much.

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    1. Re:Back in the day. by eln · · Score: 1

      After three months i had totally forgotten i ever had the internet

      You might want to see a doctor about that. I think you might have had a stroke or something during those three months.

    2. Re:Back in the day. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whereas I do spend a signficant amount of time on the Internet, both at home and at work (and usually in connection with my work, in the latter case). But I could stop any time I wanted to. I know I could. I wouldn't even miss it much. Really, I could. Honest.

      Seriously, though, despite there being things I do miss when I'm away from the Net for a while, I have plenty of other things I enjoy doing off-line as well. I just spend more time doing those if there's no net connection around. My biggest concern with being off-line for several days is more the amount of spam I have to wade through when I get back, just in case there's something important in there. :o)

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    3. Re:Back in the day. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      but atleast i dont waste time in front of a computer as much.
      ...and yet here you are, posting on Slashdot. Welcome back from all of your fellow addicts.
  12. Addicts are addicts by hsmith · · Score: 1

    It is simple, addicts get addicted to things. It might be drugs, it might be alcohol, even the internets. Hell, people even get addicted to working out. Some things are better to be "addicted" to than others.

    If the person has an "addictive personality" then they will find something to be addicted to.

    The President used to be an alcoholic, but now he is addicted to working out. The former is much worse of an addiction than the latter.

    1. Re:Addicts are addicts by markild · · Score: 1

      Personally, I liked him better when he was drinking.

      But hey, that's me.

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    2. Re:Addicts are addicts by DaveCar · · Score: 1


      The President used to be an alcoholic, but now he is addicted to working out. The former is much worse of an addiction than the latter.

      Working out? What, like working out which shoe goes on which foot? Working out how to totally f*ck up international relations?

  13. I have a B.S. in Psychology by DJ+Jones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This article further supports my theory that the field of psychology is bunch of bull-shit. Neurology is a science. Psychology is a bunch of philosophers conjuring up imaginary diseases to reinforce everyone's imaginary "problems" I'm writing this Slashdot entry instead of doing office work right now. It doesn't mean I have a problem. I'm just bored.

    1. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should have gotten a BA in psychology instead.

    2. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by udderly · · Score: 1

      This article further supports my theory that the field of psychology is bunch of bull-shit. Neurology is a science. Psychology is a bunch of philosophers conjuring up imaginary diseases to reinforce everyone's imaginary "problems"

      If by the "field of psychology" you mean the classification and description of "mental disorders" that have no known physical pathologies, I am in complete agreement with you. Many of the things in the DSM cannot be determined by any physical means, including an autopsy. Many are "diagnosed" by a self-report questionnaire, which is well-known to be an extremely flawed proposition. That isn't science, that's voodoo. But hey, at least it sells pharmaceuticals.

      However, there is *plenty* of scientifically valid and interesting research in the field. I studied the psychology of motivation (task persistence, incentive vs. punishment, etc) which has a ton of work that is both useful and rigorous.

    3. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by $pearhead · · Score: 2, Funny
      It doesn't mean I have a problem.
      Ah, denial... :-) And remember boys and girls; "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt".
    4. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so are you a scientologist as well?

      the problem isnt with psychology, its with a lack of understanding of a few fundamental ideas, its also alot of idiots with alot of power....

      for example, i bet you could not explain with neurology how conditioning works, partly because neurology does not deal with that ascept of an organism, however psychology is readly able to explain the occurance, which cant be simply ignored because it does happen.

      also psychology, with the exception of dealing with the study of abnormal behavior, lacks any ability to state morality, just like any other science. which means your ignorant view about what philosophy is, along with psychology, and its purpose kinda makes you look like a total jackass.

      jackass

    5. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I enjoy how psychology is one of the few fields that individuals without qualifications feel compelled to claim expertise. How often do we hear someone say, "I took Physics 101 and because of that, i have the qualifications to completely discredit the entire study of Physics"?

      People who only take Intro to Psych need to realize that a lot of Intro material is outdated and being taught for historical perspective. Study up on some people doing actual work in Psychology and you will realize that is more than a "bunch of philosophers"

    6. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Moofie · · Score: 1

      That's a very clever little construct. If you say you have a problem, you have a problem. If you say you don't have a problem, you're in denial, and you have a problem.

      Astounding.

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    7. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by mattkime · · Score: 1

      >>This article further supports my theory that the field of psychology is bunch of bull-shit. Neurology is a science.

      Neurology is bullshit! Day after day, I'm reading things about neurology that are later proven wrong. Thats not science! Science is always right!

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    8. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Life2Short · · Score: 1

      WTF does the article have to do with Psychology? If you RTFA, you'll see it's the American PSYCHIATRIC Association, not the American PSYCHOLOGICAL Association that's _supposedly_ pushing this. Having a PhD in Psychology does not make one a psychiatrist. You need an MD for that. And you seemed to have such praise for neurology...

    9. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave him alone. I bet he's one of those people who think depressed people who can just "pick themselves out of it" and felt Tom Cruise was persecuted by the media for being "honest".

    10. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. The DSM is very specific. Any psychiatrist who didn't graduate in the bottom 3% of their class can tell the difference between a real disorder and malingering. They're all really easy to diagnose except general anxiety disorder which can be a bit tricky. I realize this is Slashdot, but the amount of ignorance regarding mental disorders is absolutely staggering. You're not psychiatrists and the fact that all of you are so eager to declare this "stupid" or "arbitrary" is amazing. People much smarter and well-versed in psychiatry than programmers write this book. When a person starts lecturing you about coding using because he took CS 10 as an elective in college, you'll bitch and then whine that nobody understands technology well even though they're not afraid to pretend they do. And yet. . .

      Pot, Kettle, black.

    11. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by HazMathew · · Score: 0

      Yeah, addiction is an "imaginary problem". Go tell that to the families destroyed by alcoholism, drug abuse, MMORPG addiction... etc. Yeah... its all imaginary.

      Sure it may not affect you. But you wouldn't go up to someone you know is diabetic and say "oh boy this cake is delicious you have to try some your disease is imaginary." or go up to a known alcoholic and hand them a Jagerbomb. There are people with genetic predispositions to addictictive behavior. Their addictions greatly affect their lives with real problems (see death). That puts addiction right up there as a disease. Fortunately, like other diseases it can be managed.

      I take great offense to your "imaginary problems". You obviously have not seen the effect addiction has on some people. Just because you don't have them doesn't mean they aren't real.

    12. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by budgenator · · Score: 1

      It's not that pyscology is Bullshit as much as it has a tendency to aquire fad diagnosis, more so among the para-professionals and non-psycology professionals rather than the psycology professionals. Seems that attention deficit syndroms hit that catagory, the addictions, and bipolar.

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    13. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by BalkanBoy · · Score: 1

      Define "problem". :) (we can take this to infinity, you realize..)

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    14. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Moofie · · Score: 1

      "problem" would be "something a psychologist can charge you to fix".

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    15. Re:I have a B.S. in Psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I resent the negative stance you're taking toward philosophers. You wouldn't have science if not for them.

  14. Pornstamps by Joebert · · Score: 1

    I hope they don't put the clinic next to the Food Stamp office, I have a feeling shit would get ugly if the people in that line saw a gang of people holding PDAs in line to get their internet bill paid.

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  15. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by spirality · · Score: 1

    There's no reason to be responsible for ourselves and our behavior or anything like that. This is just another symptom of how we'll all end up basically enslaved. The less responsibility we take for ourselves the more the government will, until we are all wards of the state. Uggg. It's disgusting really.

  16. Attention Deficit Disorder by mulhollandj · · Score: 1

    I would put it as part of ADD. That said, my belief is ADD only makes it harder to focus and not impossible. People need to take personal responsibility and either stop the behavior or get the needed help. If not then fire them unless their job is being a web crawler.

    1. Re:Attention Deficit Disorder by JeremyBanks · · Score: 1

      ADD is one of the most overdiagnosed conditions I can think of. Most people with it are just lazy undisiplined fools. Not all, there are some people who actually have real problems, but most of them just use it as an excuse, and it pisses me off to no end.

    2. Re:Attention Deficit Disorder by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

      ADD is one of the most overdiagnosed conditions I can think of.


      Not having access to your mind, I can't dispute that.


        Most people with it are just lazy undisiplined fools


      Not having access to an accurate epidemiological study, I can't dispute that either. But I suspect that many "lazy undisciplined fools" _do_ have ADHD, at least if they are underperforming and not simply stupid.

      ADHD is not about focus. It's about the stability of attention.

      Let me give you the benfit of my personal experience. I have been diagnosed with ADHD without the H. Laziness has never been my problem. I have always been capable of tremendous feats of concentration. I could wrestle with difficult problems hours on end. In a crisis, I had a reputation for cool and collected decision making.

      But when you have ADHD, it's the easy things that are hard.

      Attention is the sustained coordination of the mind towards some end. There is a "pass band" for stimulation, below which attention wanders, above which it falls apart. For ADHD people, this pass band is very high, high enough that we can't stay on task except in conditions where other people would be paralyzed by overstimulation.

      Before I was on meds, I sometimes found myself looking at the start menu and wondering why I had popped it.I would often forget what I wanted to say in the middle of a sentence. I had a reputation for gruffness, because I was always pressuring people to get to the point. What I wanted to pay attention to had absolutely nothing to do with what I could. The degree of chaos, fear, or interest a task involved was everything.

      There is an element of foolishness in ADHD, because you get into deeply engrained habits whose effect is to maintain a high level of brain stimulation. For some people this means seeking risk. For others it means seeking conflict. And for still others, this mean seeking interesting things learn. Addictive Internet behavior is a huge problem for the last group. It's also hard to get started on a task that looks boring, because long years of experience teach you that you aren't really going to accomplish anything on it.

      ADHD isn't disease like the epilepsy, in which the brain functions break down. It is part of the natural range of human variability. What makes it a disease is that people who have it can't function in society. If society were organized differently, it wouldn't be a disease. However, the society I live in requires that I pay my own bills, pick up my own clothes, remember my own promises and appointments, get myself to work on time, and listen attentively to people who take forever to get to the point.

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  17. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Reverend528 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Let's just save some time and determine every form of antisocial behavior to be a disease. That way when we fuck up, we don't have to blame it on our character flaws.

    Sounds like someone didn't get his prozac this morning...

  18. Are you an Obsessive Compulsive? by bihoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obsessive Compulsive behavior can be exhibited for any activity. Even just tapping your foot.

  19. I'll have you know... by Non-CleverNickName · · Score: 1

    I'm not addicted to the internet, and I can stop anytime I want. ...I'm just trying to beat the end boss...

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  20. Right. And my father is a viola addict. by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now really. Of course I wouldn't like being without internet access for several days, for the simple reason that a large part of my life is related to it somehow. With no internet I'd lose contact with many people, would find it much harder to find documentation for some of the work I do, etc.

    But isn't every specialist that way? I bet that my father would also feel uncomfortable if he couldn't play the viola for a few days. For me, the main theme in my life is internet and computers. For others it's a musical instrument, drawing, playing soccer, etc. Everybody feels uncomfortable when they're unable to do their favourite activity for a while.

    Even for "normal" people with no obsession with anything in particular it still works that way. When somebody's car breaks they're often grumpy while it's being fixed, as all of a sudden their freedom of movement got drastically reduced.

    There probably are people with serious problems, but I think most of the people don't have any addiction of any sort, they simply became dependent on it, like many people depend on their car or telephone. For them it just became an indispensable tool.

  21. What defines an addiction? by Archtype · · Score: 1

    How do you know if you are addicted? If it starts to mess with your everyday life. It is just like an addiction to gambling or pornography. Is it a medical condition? Now thats a different question. I don't think you could call in to work sick because you are having "internet withdrawal." I would put this kind of addiction into the category of a "psychological condition," as there are no physical symptoms. As for all who would say that this isn't actually an issue, I have three word...World of Warcraft. And yes, I used to play myself. Been clean for almost 6 months now.

  22. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    It's the disease, ya know. I can't help it.

    Then you'll be told: Yes you can, here's the address to a rehabilitation service...

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  23. The boundary between bad habit and addiction.... by GnomeChompsky · · Score: 1

    lies, I think, in whether or not you can still perform day-to-day tasks while still performing the compulsive behaviour.

    For instance, people find it difficult to stop, say, biting their fingernails. It probably releases the same sort of dopamine response in the brain that playing PacMan, gambling or surfing the 'net does. But few people recognize fingernail-nibbling as an addiction; it's a bad habit, but it doesn't have the stigma of an addiction, or it doesn't have the excuse of being an addiction. You can, while still nibbling away all the while, accomplish almost anything else.

    On the other hand, internet addiction is not a prime candidate for multitasking. If you're reading slashdot, you're not writing the Jenkins report. If you're playing a flash game, you're not reading those articles from Science that you should be for your dissertation.

    I'd say that any repetitive pattern of behaviour can become impossible to stop -- but we only rationalize it as an addiction when it interferes with other normative/positive/goal-directed behaviours.

  24. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They use a more rigorous standard than that: how many people make how much noise about whether it counts as a disease.

    For example, homosexuality was scientifically proven to be a disease before the 70's. Then because of enough protests, it became scientifically disproven. Likewise, fetishism is currently scientifically proven to be a disease, but if enough people raise a stink, that will count as scientific disproof.

    It works the other way too. Formerly it was scientfically proven that alcoholism isn't a disease; people just get drunk a lot. Then because of enough protests from people who didn't want to accept that their spouse is a lousy human being who values physical pleasure over their family, it became scientifically proven that it is a disease.

    Give 'em some credit.

  25. In related news by MosesJones · · Score: 4, Interesting


    Cleveland Browns fans who attend every game are also claiming their rights as an addicted minority. "Its horrible" said one fan "year after year we suck and I keep going just waiting for that one big 'hit'"

    Celeb Rags also applied for registration under the disability act on the basis that they have "an unreasonable compulsion to print any old crappy photo of anyone who has even been seen with someone who has been on TV", this compulsion is so bad that they are forced to produce glossy magazines every single week.

    But if the Internet is an addiction ala heroin, does that make AOL methadone?

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  26. Um, like being addicted to electricity or water? by QuasiEvil · · Score: 1

    The internet has become a utility these days - like electrical power, phone, natural gas, tv, water, or garbage pickup. You could use the same logic to argue I'm addicted to all of the above. I can't imagine going more than a week without any of them except maybe tv. The loss of any of the others would start to make my life suck more. (On the other hand, I have a DVR, so it's watching, even if I'm not.)

  27. WTF ... NoReally ... Dang, I'm scared by OldHawk777 · · Score: 1

    Dang, I'm scared

    There are more idiot dogmatist lurking at /. then ever before, someone should have saved this DullShit for 2007/04/01, maybe this DS illness is a Pharma/AMA lobbyist creation for parent/drug/religious intervention businesses.

    These no-brainer-stories should be filtered as offensive stinking DS. I always wanted a NetNanney app that would filter out dogmatist StupidShit (SS nazi-like) religious, corporatist, and political crap for my browser and cable/sat/broadcast TV at home.

    Is there an OSS project for this? Are Firefox folks looking into this as a good plugin? Has the W3C ... decided on metadata flags to block different kinds of objectionalvble material from wasting my time like this has done?

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  28. So what if it is an addiction by jimbolaya · · Score: 1

    Even if it is an addiction, so what? If he were drunk on the job, he'd still be fired.

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  29. Information addict by DaoudaW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was in 4th grade, I got in trouble by reading the encyclopedia before I had my homework done. Now I'm 50, have been a teacher for years, and tend to scan my live bookmarks, the make blog, and slashdot before I grade tests or make lesson plans. Does it affect my work? Probably. Does it make me a better teacher? Arguably. Could I stop if I chose to? Probably not?

    About 15 years ago I lived in an African village for 3 years. What did I miss most? My morning newspaper and public library! I know people who would say the same thing about the NY Times Crossword Puzzle. I don't see any difference between these examples and so-called internet addiction. Maybe psychologists should include these in the DSM too!

    1. Re:Information addict by geekoid · · Score: 1

      But would you do your internet routine while ignoring a hungry child? would you do it knowing you wouldn't get your work done? Knowing you would be fired for doing it?

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  30. comon... seriously by SuperStretchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think a lot of these addictions are not rather addictions, but a lack of self-control and discipline. While I'm not debating whether or not there exists such a thing or not, a lot of people claiming internet addiction do so for an excuse- for pills, for pity, for disability compensation.. etc.

    Time for all the "I DISAGREE!!!" replies!

  31. Re:I actually took the time to translate an articl by cperciva · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Compared to regular medical diagnoses, it's remarkable that the important boundary between healthy and ill is set at an arbitrarily chosen number of symptoms (3 out of 6 or 4 out of 7)

    You seem to be implying that non-psychiatric ailments are clear-cut in their diagnoses; while this is true in some cases (e.g., a viral infection is defined by the presence of the virus), it is not true for all diseases. Type 2 diabetes, for example, is defined as "fasting plasma glucose >= 7.0 mM, OR plasma glucose >= 11 mM two hours after a 75g glucose challenge OR random plasma glucose >= 11.1 mM", while the level of blood pressure which is diagnosed as "high" depends upon the presence of other risk factors for heart disease.

    Most psychiatric conditions are just like type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and high cholesterol: There's a continuum between very healthy and very sick, and groups of doctors get together to decide how to draw a line.

  32. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by nyctopterus · · Score: 1, Informative

    Err, no. None of the things were scientifically proven to be diseases, they were defined that way. Alcoholism is not considered a disease in psychology.

  33. Alcoholism isn't legit either by El_Smack · · Score: 0

    It's entirely under your control whether you become an alcoholic. Any condition that you can 100% control entry into isn't a disease, it's a lifestyle choice.

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    1. Re:Alcoholism isn't legit either by inviolet · · Score: 1
      It's entirely under your control whether you become an alcoholic. Any condition that you can 100% control entry into isn't a disease, it's a lifestyle choice.

      All you're doing is shifting the uncertainty from the word 'addiction' to the word 'choice' (or 'control'). We are left still needing to explain why some people make repeated choices that damage their well-being.

      To see for yourself how vacuous your usage of the word 'choice' is, consider: why would anyone choose such a lifestyle?

      Free-will may be axiomatic but that doesn't mean we understand it. We don't, nobody does yet . . . and as long as choice is a mystery, so also is dyschoice (addiction et. al.).

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      FATMOUSE + YOU = FATMOUSE
    2. Re:Alcoholism isn't legit either by abaddononion · · Score: 1

      They say alcoholism is a disease, but its the only disease you can get yelled at for having. "Dammit Otto, you're an alcoholic!" "Dammit Otto, you have lupus!" One of those two doesn't sound right.

      Old gem from Mitch Hedberg. Dammit Otto, you're addicted to the internet!

  34. Why shouldn't I fire Addicts? by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 1

    Couldn't I fire an alcoholic who drinks on the job? Or a cokehead who snorts at work? Why couldn't I fire a sex chat addict who is chatting up "girls" instead of working? (Of course, this is coming from someone posting on /. instead of working... hmm... )

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  35. Look at who really wants this.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Lawyers want this so they can rack up billable hours prosecuting and defending against this.
    Various health practicioners want this so they can treat and BILL for it.
    Nairdowells want this so they can sue for money and have some excuse for their stupid or bad behavior.
    Many of the rest of us don't see our internet use as an addiction as it allows us to do useful things and interact with others whilst removing the sensory pain (stinky or smelly or visuall unappealing aspect) of being in close proximity with those who would serve us. We CHOOSE to be connected and we like it.

  36. F5, F5, F5, F5... by Rastignac · · Score: 0

    I don't want to read about this so-called "Internet Addiction".
    F5, F5, F5, F5...
    That's not stuff that matters.
    F5, F5, F5, F5...
    I want another Slashdot history, NOW !
    F5, F5, F5, F5...
    Now, please !
    F5, F5, F5, F5...

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  37. My addiction story: by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was travelling in Japan for about a week of my three-week stay. The schedule was created by my Japanese host who failed to schedule any time for rest. I was unable to check my email. As I was separated not only from my laptop but from the internet at large, I found myself becoming quite edgy until finally, she brought me to a media cafe allowing me to check emails, browse a few sites and finally restore peace and balance to myself.

    While I am not sure I can fully understand the nature of addiction, I fear it. If by some chance, this was the sign of actual addiction, then I'm not sure what to do about it since it's an integral part of my work and my play. Many addictions stem, at least initially, from some sort of pleasure-rewarding recreational activity. In this case, it was more of a feeling of being cut off from a world or a life from which I get a certain level of comfort.

    As to internet "behavior"? I have a hard time seeing that as being anything other than actionable by an employer. An employer can refuse to hire or may fire someone for being addicted to drugs or anything else that may be deemed as objectionable in the workplace. I'd say porn is right up there on the list.

    The "medium" is one thing and the behavior is another. I think it's important to make that distinction.

    Adults are SUPPOSED to be accountable for their actions and inactions. This means that if they find themselves dangerously addicted to something, they are supposed to do something to remedy the condition. You don't just stop at labeling something as a disease and throw your hands in the air. In a previous posting, I discussed a time when I found myself missing work so that I could play a video game. (XWing vs. Tie Fighter in that instance.) When I realized what I was doing, I made changes. It's what adults are supposed to do and what we are supposed to be teaching our children so that they become good adults.

    So if someone is fired from their job for being addicted to drugs or alcohol, for being obese, for watching porn or chatting online at the office, then I think it's perfectly acceptable. I say this even though I am guilty of two of these offenses myself. I'm not willing to defend my own behavior by calling it a disease.

    1. Re:My addiction story: by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      It is entirely possible that there are degrees of addiction and that your degree is of the lighter variety allowing you to self-correct. If this is true then there are those who have heavier types of addiction and need help. Leaving it as a judgement based issue doesn't actually fix things, because we all know how effective lectures and holier than though positions are at fixing problems.

      I'd rather have science give it a try and try to come up with some new solutions.

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    2. Re:My addiction story: by yarbo · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you weren't just edgy because you didn't have any time for rest? When you hit the cafe, you had a chance to relax. Maybe you still would have felt peaceful or balanced if you took a nap or read a book.
      I love feeling connected and whatnot (I usually go to my computer as soon as I wake up), but whenever I go on vacation I usually stay away from the Internet and I don't feel edgy at all.

    3. Re:My addiction story: by owlstead · · Score: 1

      "So if someone is fired from their job for being addicted to drugs or alcohol, for being obese, for watching porn or chatting online at the office, then I think it's perfectly acceptable. I say this even though I am guilty of two of these offenses myself. I'm not willing to defend my own behavior by calling it a disease."

      I think it is pretty damn brave that you come out on slashdot to admit that you are on drugs and watch porn at the office.

    4. Re:My addiction story: by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1
      So if someone is fired from their job for being addicted to drugs or alcohol, for being obese, for watching porn or chatting online at the office, then I think it's perfectly acceptable. I say this even though I am guilty of two of these offenses myself.


      If you only do/are two of those, you aren't at Slashdot. (I kid, I kid)
  38. Alcoholism by SageLikeFool · · Score: 1
    Internet addiction is just as much a medical condition as alcoholism is. Or heroin Addiction. Or prescription pill addiction. And so on.

    I don't know if I completely agree with alcoholism being a medical condition, but I think at the base there is something about addiction in general that sometimes can be explained by biological makeup.

  39. Has anyone considered... by Aphrika · · Score: 1

    That the guy might've been addicted because he was chatting about sex, rather than because he was "on the internet"? I thought sex was supposed to be a far bigger compulsion towards addiction than using the internet

    I find it all to worrying nowadays that people come up with stupid liberal, pseudo-sciences to determine that you're doing too much/too little of something. Bloody hell, so some peopel like spending time playing games and using the internet - so what! Computers can be used for many different things - like cars. You don't hear about people being addicted to cars or roads do you? And adrenaline - well you're average adrenaline junkie doesn't get as much stick as people who are "computer addicts".

    It sucks that we now live in a society where having a hobby or interest is now considered a problem - maybe we should all be bored shitless and hanging around outside malls... or just sit around and come up with meaningless generalisations about who does and who doesn't match up to the modern social norm...

  40. My way of handling the Net addiction by NotAHappyCoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When ever I'm on a vacation, I try to stay away from computers as much as possible. For example I had a five week vacation this year and I used the Net only three times. And on each time it was about checking my email. (Yes, I checked my email only three times in five weeks! There were quite many unread messages waiting for me each time :-) )

    At work I have to stare the screen 8 hours per day. I don't want to do that when I'm on vacation. It is not good for your physical well being to sit all day long.

  41. Another excuse for poor choices by callistra.moonshadow · · Score: 1

    What bugs me is that people will use any excuse to get out of their poor decision-making. Oh, I d/l porn at work but it's not my fault. It was my addiction. Uh...I don't think so. I don't care what people do on their own private time, but the reality is that that sort of thing doesn't belong in the workplace along with many other issues. I'm not trying to kick up dust here, it is just frustrating to see that just about anything can end up in the DSM at some point and then potentially used as an excuse for bad behavior.

    Cally

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    1. Re:Another excuse for poor choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with attributing everything to "choice" is it ignores the fact that we're biological organisms, and the reality of our biological imperatives dominate our physical bodies which includes our brains. That's not to say that we can't make rational decisions under most circumstances, but in the case of an addict the drive to use overwhelms the decision-making centers of the brain. So saying to an addict, "you've made poor choices and now you're making an excuse" is literally correct but is missing the point; it's a GOOD EXCUSE because their ability to make choices is impaired by a biological system that is out of their control.

    2. Re:Another excuse for poor choices by callistra.moonshadow · · Score: 1

      From personal experience dealing with a person with a chemical addiction in the end she could have chosen to quit or get help. In my personal case this person chose to deny the problem and continue to destroy herself. You can put a person with an "addictive" personality into therapy, but if they don't want help, they won't be helped. In the end it *is* all down to choice. The choice to get help or not.

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    3. Re:Another excuse for poor choices by Vintermann · · Score: 1

      The author of that article (Fekjær) argues that "addiction" is used both as a description of behaviour and as an explanation of behaviour. And I agree, it seems to me these diagnoses are abused.

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    4. Re:Another excuse for poor choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the previous poster was just making a statement that one can not be sure one's 'choices' are not influenced by biology.

      It sounds like the choice your friend made was not a rational choice, but I am sure it made some sense to her at some level. She probably felt bad every time she did the self-destructive behavior. She probably had not hit rock bottom yet.

      Personally I think people should be allowed to fail and to stumble even if it causes problems for everyone else. I think the people not stumbling get to learn what not to do from the people that fail...and eventually the people that are stumbling/failing are either going to straighten up (self preservation) or are going to do a darwin. If they do the darwin, then there probably wasn't anything you could have done to save them. I think self-preservation is a strong motivator....it is getting to rock bottom that is the hard part.

    5. Re:Another excuse for poor choices by callistra.moonshadow · · Score: 1

      Very good point. Sometimes in order for a *sick* person to realize that they need help it does require a journey to very dark places. Sadly, in the case of the person close to me even hitting rock bottom didn't remove the excuse that it was caused by everything and everyone else in her life and not her. Other times people do hit that low-end and realize it quite literally sucks and recover.

      Cally

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  42. Scientifically proven? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that by definition you can't scientifically prove anything. All you can do scientifically is advance a theory and show that is supported by experimental evidence available at the time. That's kinda the point of science: it's only as good as the evidence underlying it, and as new evidence comes to light, theories can and should be revised or dropped if this is what the evidence supports.

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    1. Re:Scientifically proven? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 1

      Irony meter broken?

    2. Re:Scientifically proven? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      Sorry, it's been a long day. Not so much broken as out of gas. ;-)

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  43. 14% ???? A Few DAYS????? by nickname225 · · Score: 1

    I can't believe that only 14% of users said it would be difficult to be without internet for a few days. The internet has been out at my girlfriend's place for 2 days now and ... Time to find another GF. Of course, I still have internet at work and at my place...

  44. Not to worry by flaknugget · · Score: 1

    I've got a sure-fire cure for internet addiction... heroin.

  45. Addiction my ass by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

    There is no physical connection. It is purely psychological.

    A friggin obsession, a weakness, a character flaw.

    I would compare it to chronic masturbation.

    Oh! Wait...

    Nevermind.

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  46. Listen up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Internet is not a thing to which you can become addicted. It is a channel for activities, to which you can become addicted. MMORPGs are the classic example, but there are plenty of people who are addicted to pr0n, various blogs and forums, or even just surfing. But it's not the Internet to which they're addicted, it's that particular activity.

    The Internet is a communication medium. It can be used for helpful purposes, or for harmful ones.

    Why the hell can't people figure this out? Nobody called it telephone addiction when people got hooked on 1-900 numbers. In the days before telephones, there were compulsive letter-writers.

  47. Who cares! by balsy2001 · · Score: 2, Informative

    So what if it is an addiction. If you are addicted to drugs you get fired from your job. If you can't keep yourself from surfing the net the whole day you get fired. End of story.

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    1. Re:Who cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you are addicted to drugs you get fired from your job. If you can't keep yourself from surfing the net the whole day you get fired.

      Sure, but make sure to add that if you get AIDS, you get fired from your job. If you have a heart attack, you get fired from your job. If you get shot in the leg during a hunting accident, you get fired from your job...

  48. i am addicted to oxygen by sking · · Score: 1

    if i stop breathing, i will likely experience withdrawal symptoms so severe that i will die. i keep working on the first step, though...

    i admit i am powerless over oxygen--that my breathing has become unmanageable.

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    1. Re:i am addicted to oxygen by Archtype · · Score: 1

      you should try the Oxygen Addicts Anonymous. Their twelve step program will surely help you out.

  49. follow the money by LM741N · · Score: 1

    I bet if you look carefully at the psychologists promoting excessive internet use as an addiction, you will find ties to drug companies. Anything to increase sales and generate more profits. At best case its a jobs program for third rate psychologists and addictions counselors.

  50. Addiction by KenshoDude · · Score: 1

    In regards to addiction, basically, there are two types of reinforcements for behaviors, namely:

    1. Positive reinforcement (induction of pleasant feelings - you feel better)
    2. Negative reinforcement (cessation of negative feelings - you feel better)

    When engaged in any behavior, if a person is reinforced through either mechanism, they are more likely to continue to perform that behavior. However, most addictions arise out of behaviors that initially promote negative reinforcement but are eventually linked to the surfacing of negative affects (feelings).

    To use alcohol as an example, drinking may reduce stresses, inhibitions, and anxieties (negative reinforcement), but if consumed in excess, will lead to negative results such as a hang over or in extreme cases, the shakes. In the case of alcohol, we have the cliché "You just need a little of the hair of the dog that bit you." Basically, consuming more alcohol will postpone or temporarily alleviate the negative consequences of drinking too much alcohol, which is itself more negative reinforcement. Now we are able to appreciate the cyclical nature of addiction.

    With this understanding, its possible to see how something like the internet can become addicting. We need to look no further than MMORPGs to illustrate the point. In SOME cases, people who are unsatisfied with ther "real" social life will engage in online play. This has the effect of removing their feelings of dissatisfaction (negative reinforcement) while quite possibly harming their "real life" social life. Thus, the player must lean even more heavily on gaming to alleviate the feelings of dissatisfaction with his/her "real life".

    Now, whether "Internet Addiction" could ever qualify as a medical condition... I have little to say there. I am ever suspicious toward the practice of "medicine", I believe they call it a "practice" for a reason.

  51. the internet is clearly an addiction by CiXeL · · Score: 1

    both my girlfriend and i are internet addicts. it also doesnt help that i work with computers for a living so its like im a dealer as well.

    if there is an internet connection in the house i will be on it
    there are tons of things i would love to do other than browse the net reading stuff but i can barely tear myself away from it enough to go to the bathroom or eat.

    when we moved to our current place we didnt have dsl setup yet and i delayed and delayed and my girlfriend started getting upset and i told her that i liked not having it because i was getting so much stuff done because i couldnt access it and that i knew as soon as i got it back again it would control my life.

    sure enough, its back to controlling my life.

  52. If the Internet is addictive, what else? by yancey · · Score: 1

    If we define Internet addiction as a "real" disease, then what else might be considered so? For example: Let's say you are about to terminate an office worker for using the phone for personal business too often. Can this office worker then claim a medical issue in that they are addicted to talking on the phone and then request treatment? I think that is going too far. If anything, we are simply talking about general obsessive-compulsive behavior. Of course, those people might spend less time on the Internet if society placed much more value upon getting out of the house or office to enjoy other people's company in person... perhaps a shorter work week?

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  53. Of course not, but it can have medical consequence by Oz0ne · · Score: 1

    No. It's no more a medical condition than football fanaticism or religion. It's just one of many things people go fanatical over.

    When people can't maintain their normal balance they latch on to some activity or item that they derive pleasure from and it can begin to consume them. All the behaviors associated with their psychological addiction can influence their health, but that's not necessarily always the case. Sure there's the guy that sits refreshing blogs all day, straining his eyes, developing blood clots in his legs, eating badly and not getting exercise but it's caused by his lack of balance, or will power. It's entirely a matter of choice.

    As long as freedom of choice exists many people will make bad choices, but I much prefer that to the alternatives.

  54. Try closing your eyes for a few days by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, I find it hard to go without the internet for a few days. In fact, it was just about as bad as going without my eyes for a few days after surgery and, I imagine (though I've never had this happen) going without my ears. Of course, going without my eyes wasn't as bad as it might have been, because I had use of the internet before hand, and was thus able to gather a fair number of useful coping tips from other people who had had the same operation.

    The internet is "addicting" in the same way any other sense organ or sense-enhancing tool is addicting--once you are aware that there is a way to find out useful things about the world around you it can be very frustrating to have to live without it. For people who don't get it, I suggest removing all the mirrors from their cars for a few days to see how they like having to twist themselves into knots just to find out what's going on around them.

    --MarkusQ

    1. Re:Try closing your eyes for a few days by Twixter · · Score: 1
      While this is an interesting example I think it misses an important difference; the self destructive behavior that is typically associated with addiction. If you had been unable to keep your eyes closed, and as a result had caused yourself permanent blindness, which you were aware of in advance, then your starting to get the feel of addiction. It is more than inconvenience or difficulty.

      When people talk about addiction, they aren't talking about a strong desire to do something. They are talking about a prolonged longing or desire that, to them, is irresistible. The diagnosis for alcoholism in the 50's was death. There were no known effective cures or treatments. Relapses were inevitable even from people who felt determined to resist, and exhibited a great amounts of will power in other areas of their lives.

      Sex, drugs, food and so on can all be equally addictive. I've known people with anorexia, that haven't lived though the experience. If you can have an addiction to not having food, you can have an addiction to almost anything. However....

      Repercussions are one of the only things that causes people to seek help. They have to get to a point where they are willing to seek out assistance to deal with problems they OBVIOUSLY cannot solve themselves.

      I think this is where people get confused. Admitting to having an addiction isn't a way to shift the blame, it is accepting responsibility. Your saying, "Yes, I have a problem I have to take care of." Remember what they said at the end GI-JOE: "Knowing is Half the Battle."

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    2. Re:Try closing your eyes for a few days by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      You've touched on something very important in your comment which I really appreciated. The internet as we know it today is the seed of what will one day inevitably be the technological equivelant of telepathy once we get direct brain hookups to the web. If that doesn't qualify as another sense I don't know what the hell does. This flow of data is vital for us. To be without this new data is a disadvantage in todays society.

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    3. Re:Try closing your eyes for a few days by MarkusQ · · Score: 1
      While this is an interesting example I think it misses an important difference; the self destructive behavior that is typically associated with addiction. If you had been unable to keep your eyes closed, and as a result had caused yourself permanent blindness, which you were aware of in advance, then your starting to get the feel of addiction. It is more than inconvenience or difficulty.

      I wasn't missing that difference, I was underscoring it to make my point: the internet appears "addicting" because it is a valuable source of information about the world; it differs from many other true addictions (drugs, alcohol, etc.) that are by their very nature disconnected from reality and thus have serious repercussions. Saying people are "addicted to the internet" is like saying they are "addicted to listening to what others are saying to them" or to "paying attention to where they are walking;" while it is in theory possible to become obsessive / compulsive about such things, the desire itself is perfectly rational and thus not (IMHO) an addiction.

      Your comment about anorexia brings up a good point: could we say, with equal validity (i.e., in my opinion, none) that people who refuse to go on-line are "addicted to being ignorant" or some such?

      --MarkusQ

    4. Re:Try closing your eyes for a few days by Twixter · · Score: 1
      Well if their refusal to go online went so far as to cause life threating damage to themselves, then likely it would be classified a phobia. I understand your illustration that doing something, or not doing something doesn't make it an addiction; but the hallmark of addiction is that those engaging in it continue to engage themselves in the behavior despite detrimental effects on their own well being. The examples of "listening to what others are saying to them" or "paying attention to where they are walking;' don't have these characteristics. Now if the person walking watches closely to not step where other people walk, and this results in them being unable to go outside, or to care for themselves, they would be classified as having a mental disorder.

      This goes beyond simply "liking the internet" or feeling like they have to use the internet every day. This isn't classified as addiction. However, if they isolate themselves/lose their job/ or do things that damage their lives repeatedly as a result of of internet use, then it could be classified as addiction.

      Hey, I played X-com in college for days at a time. I didn't sleep much and my grades suffered. But eventually I quit playing it. I joked about it being an addiction, and in some ways it was. But it lacked the long term, and self-endangering, effects of addiction. Mostly, I just didn't like going to class. For obvious reasons I've avoided World of Warcraft. DII was bad enough.

      There was an interesting piece on slashdot here a while ago (2+ years) on people who got hooked on checking their e-mail. They got small bursts of adrenalin released just by clicking the send/receive button. Their bodies became chemically dependent on these adrenalin bursts and suffered withdrawal symptoms including depression and anxiety when not able to check their e-mail for more than a very short period of time. (30 mins I think it was).

      I think the long and the short of it is that we have amazingly adaptive bodies that can be trained into all sorts of behaviors. If these are healthy, socially acceptable and normalized behaviors such as feeling like we have to shower every day, or wanting enough food to not feel hungry they are normal. If however the behaviors result in withdrawal, self destruction, or extreme socially unacceptable behavior, which the individual doesn't seem to be able to stop despite their own repeated attempts, they will need treatment. If they get to the point where they are willing to seek this treatment, who is anyone to tell them they aren't really addicted. Their symptoms are more tangible than depression which is a well accepted medical condition.

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  55. WTF?! by faqmaster · · Score: 1

    Well, I must be addicted to hot water 'cause I find it hard to stay away from a hot shower for more than a couple of days. Come to think of it, I can't leave the telephone alone for more than a few days in a row either! Using electricity, driving a car, microwaving food, the list is endless. My god! What have I become?!?!?!

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  56. Re:come on... seriously by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of these addictions are not addictions, but rather a lack of self-control and discipline.

    Fair enough... if you're a judge, but scientists aren't really interested in judgments. Science asks why. If you choose to reframe the situation as a lack of self-control and discipline fine. The question becomes why do some people lack self-control and discipline. If you can answer that one in a rigorous way you'll probably win a Nobel prize.

  57. pseudo science by minus_273 · · Score: 0

    you do know that psychology is a pseudo science and "American Psychiatric Association's DSM" is a load of shit. Take pshyce 101 and you will see how often things are added and removed from that guide simply for political reasons. So, last year you were sick, this year you aren't next year, who knows. Its a game more fun than any ARG i have ever seen.

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    1. Re:pseudo science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are absolutely correct about the DSM. There is no science there. The DSM is a guide where bizarre behavior is observed, named, grouped, then assigned a insurance code for payment of treatment for that "disorder."

      But true psychosis and mental illness does exist. You can see a model for schizophrenia in the fixed altered mental states that happen to long term users of Qi Gong and Kundalini Yoga. Both exercises supply exposure to Subliminal Distraction.

      This demonstration is of habituation to extinction. It is how exposure to Subliminal Distraction is set up.

      http://visionandpsychosis.net/a_demonstration_you_ can_do.htm

      Subliminal Distraction has caused mental breaks on Russian space missions.
      http://visionandpsychosis.net/Astronauts_Insanity. htm

      The APA is unaware this problem exists. But there is data supplied by APA members that show Subliminal Distraction is present where mental illness happens.

      http://visionandpsychosis.net/Psychotic_Mental_Ill ness_Cause.htm

  58. Condition by Bongo+Bill · · Score: 1
    Everything is a mental condition, and by certain arguments nobody has control over any of it. The important question is not whether a person is psychologically dependent on Internet use, but whether they're using it in ways that are unhealthy or damaging, which is something that can only be known in individual cases.

    Then again, maybe Slashdot isn't the best crowd to be asking about this.

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  59. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Alcoholism is not considered a disease in psychology.
    The hell. The DSM has diagnostic criteria specifically for alcohol abuse and dependence. Unless you're trying to be cute and play word games, that means it is considered a disease (mental disorder) by mainstream psychology.
  60. Re:come on... seriously by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

    Well selfishness comes to mind. Man's natural tendency to fulfill his desires. Or lack of desire (laziness)

  61. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by metlin · · Score: 1

    Welcome to a world that lacks accountability and responsibility for your actions.

    I mean, if you are addicted to something, it is squarely your fault for being in that position (unless someone tied you up and injected you with $substance every other day).

    It's like people blaming cigarette companies for their addiction and health problems, when they should have stopped smoking, knowing that it is dangerous and harmful.

    I mean, why bother laying off that pack of smokes or that bottle of vodka when it is just easy to give in and not be responsible for your actions. "Hey, it wasn't me! It was that gene that causes addiction. You know? That disease?"

    Obviously you can't be held accountable for your actions, for you getting lung cancer -- it is those damn cigarette companies! Because obviously, they tied you up and made you smoke every day.

    With rights and freedom comes responsibility. It's about bloody time that people learnt that. If you're "addicted" to the Internet, get off of it. Stay off it for a week, go out fishing or hiking or camping. Go on a holiday somewhere. Or just read a book. Just how hard is that going to be?

    And if your job requires you to be on the Internet, just use it for only that and nothing else. If that is hard for you, take a week off from your job and go to a place without a connection.

    Moderation, people. Moderation.

    This culture of making every habit or behaviour into a disease is just ridiculous. Folks just need to be held accountable and responsible for their actions.

  62. I got fired by LifeWithJustin · · Score: 1

    I had also been fired for being in the online sex chat rooms. Though I think my case maybe a little different... my pants were down when I got caught.

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  63. Addiction? Bah. by rdforsyth · · Score: 1

    I'm no more addicted to the internet than I am to drinking coffee. Or Cigarettes.

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  64. Depends on how much money is in it. by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Sorry but every behavioral issue is going to be "Medical Condition" if there is enough money in it. Its one of the reason why so many private employers are having trouble with their health care costs. One of the announcments in our end of year benefits meetings was that costs were going up (duh!) but look at all the new things we can do for you (meaning we have been told this has to be covered)

    At least most private insurers will stand up and fight new things being classified as medical when they are not but governments probably won't. It will just lead to even more classes of people who don't work because of "medical reasons" that live off the public.

    Look at it this way, if the issues are so dangerous that they become medical problems why allow them to persist? Probably because they are not medical issues

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  65. I remember by Centurix · · Score: 1

    Logging onto the local BBS, trading stuff using my C64 and other non-computer friends not understanding, not wanting to understand and making fun of the general nerdish nature of the whole thing. I was hooked then, I think the whole connectiveness and interactivity thing wore off after a while. The BBS's changed into free university net access, more FTP than anything else, exchanging copies of the latest Mosaic. Still nerdy to every non-computer person I knew.

    Now they have paid internet accounts, and they're checking their mail every 30 seconds and chatting to 50 people simultaneously on MSN.

    I've been without internet access for a couple of months at a time and during that time never felt the urge to sneak on to check mail or read a site for news. Maybe this addiction doesn't suit me.

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  66. Turn off Moderation Mails by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But there's being addicted, and then there's it being a "disease." Frankly, I think B. F. Skinner would scoff at the notion. To him, everything was stimulus -> response -> reinforcement, and the more reinforcing an activity was, the more an organism would engage in it. I

    Additionally, the less regular the response the more addictive it can be. The old story of the mouse who presses at the lever occasionally when it always dispenses a treat, but feverishly when it randomly dispenses a treat. Slot machines work on the same principle.

    In other words, go into your Slashdot preferences and turn off mails about moderation of your comments. Don't go back and look at how your comments were moderated. They're exactly that kind of stimulus.

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    1. Re:Turn off Moderation Mails by ozbird · · Score: 1

      Additionally, the less regular the response the more addictive it can be. The old story of the mouse who presses at the lever occasionally when it always dispenses a treat, but feverishly when it randomly dispenses a treat.

      That's just Skinner box rage: "I pulled the lever you stupid @!%^$* machine!"

    2. Re:Turn off Moderation Mails by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That's just Skinner box rage: "I pulled the lever you stupid @!%^$* machine!" :)

      Come now, if that were true I'd be a Windows user.

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  67. Reading by bkg_cjb · · Score: 1

    Is reading an addiction? Most people do it alot, and have for many years. It can be for practical uses, or for pleasure. Actually, most of my time on the Internet is spent reading. If I wasn't allowed to read anything for a week, I would feel deprived. Finding stuff online to read just happens to be more convenient for me. Same with the phone vs. IM. Does that mean I'm addicted? Now games are a different matter...

  68. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Alcoholism is the only disease you can get yelled at for having. 'Dammit Otto, you're an alcoholic.' 'Dammit Otto, you have Lupus'. One of these just doesn't sound right".

    - Mitch Hedberg

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  69. If they can find a genetic source then sure.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

    ADD, et al, have actual _genetic_ causes. If there is some gene in our body that makes us more prone to internet addiction (that isn't also identified with any other particular condition) it may as well be considered a medical condition.

    Personally, I'm of the opinion that if there is a genetic corellation, it's probably exactly the same gene that would cause people to be more inclined to be addicted to almost anything else though.

    1. Re:If they can find a genetic source then sure.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There may be a genetic source but it is not specifically connected to addiction. Rather it increases the possibility of exposure to Subliminal Distraction.

      Qi Gong users in China become addicted to performing the exercise and can't or won't stop gathering others to exercise with them even under threat of arrest and possible torture.

      Qi Gong, when performed in groups, supplies stimulation of the subconscious mind through Subliminal Distraction. When too many sessions are done in a compact time frame, a mental break happens.

      Research at the University of Georgia in 2002 found a defect in the M-Channel for vision in schizophrenics and their close relatives . The defect was hyperactivity. Subliminal Distraction would use the M-Channel. The defect would increase exposure from SD thus increase the subliminal stimulation of the subconscious mind.

      This psychology demonstration is for habituation to extinction. It explains how exposure to Subliminal Distraction is set up.

        http://visionandpsychosis.net/a_demonstration_you_ can_do.htm

      The University of Georgia study is cited and linked here.

      http://visionandpsychosis.net/Psychotic_Mental_Ill ness_Cause.htm

  70. Slashdot Problem by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does checking Slashdot every 5 minutes mean I have a problem? I can stop anytime I want, I swear. I drive better when web surfing too, now give me my keys!

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  71. It is not in the Addictionary by linuxbz · · Score: 1

    I happen to be a co-author of Addictionary: A Primer of Recovery Terms and Concepts from Abstinence to Withdrawal, and we did not include Internet Addiction only because it was published shortly before the Web became popular.

    The best way I have found to explain addiction is as a regulation problem. A "normal" drinker might have too much to drink at a party, and then, whether they have any consequences or not, decide "I won't do that again for a long time." And they don't.

    A "normal" eater has too much to eat at Thanksgiving, feels stuffed and uncomfortable for a while, and then returns to a reasonable diet. A "normal" game player sees that they are spending too much time playing games and moves back to more moderate behavior.

    An addict finds it much more difficult to regulate excessive behaviors. If you buy that this is due to some kind of brain chemistry problem, then you will be more likely to call it a disease. Many people have difficulty thinking something could be an addiction unless some drug is ingested or injected, but gambling addiction seems a lot like any other addiction. Gambling, extreme sports, exercising, computer gaming, or other activities can in fact release neurotransmitters just as alcohol or drugs can.

    A non-addicted person finds it much easier to regulate and back off (return to other pursuits) while the addict finds it increasingly difficult to turn away from the addictive substance(s) or activities. Medical disorder? Your call.

  72. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They were never scientifically proven to be anything. The definition of what was considered a disease was set and then things were checked against it. The definitions are what changed, not the scientific process. Being a drunk was considered normal and only the lower classes got drunk a lot so it wasn't worth analyzing. Then when they did start analyzing it they found physical effects, withdrawl and mental addiction.

    Look at what happened with Pluto, it was a planet, now it isn't. Did Pluto change? Of course not, it is the definition of what a planet is that has changed.

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  73. StumbleUpon extension by MyOtherUIDis3digits · · Score: 1

    I think it was that damn StumbleUpon FF extension that pushed me over the addiction edge. I just can't stop clicking it to see what's next!

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  74. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By that logic we shouldn't treat AIDS because people who get it tend to have character flaws that put themselves in at risk situations.
    Or the common cold because of character flaws of bad personal hygiene.

  75. Real problem is not "Internet Addiction" by cypherwise · · Score: 1

    It seems that the real problem is not necessarily an addiction to the internet, but an addiction to the things the internet provides. Everything described in TFA is already available outside of the 'net. Porn, gambling, shopping, whatever it may be has long established traditions in our culture. The internet is just the messenger. These people need to get help for their real problems. Is there a treatment option for "Stupidity"?

  76. Simple answer by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    I think the simple answer is: if gambling addiction is a medical condition, Internet addiction (i.e. the state where you feel withdrawal) also is. If we're not to consider gambling addiction to be such a condition, "Internet addiction" isn't either. I think the two are very closely related to each other anyway. Playing a game and feeling the reward from progress or gambling and occasionally (of course -- far too rarely, logically speaking) winning and getting the urge to continue thanks to that, is there a big difference really?

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    1. Re:Simple answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think the simple answer is: if gambling addiction is a medical condition, Internet addiction (i.e. the state where you feel withdrawal) also is.

      Well, the problem with that is, while gambling addiction *is* a medical condition, it is also explicitly excluded under the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. Internet addiction isn't explicitly excluded under the act, because it wasn't even thought of at the time.

  77. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by JasonKChapman · · Score: 1
    Welcome to a world that lacks accountability and responsibility for your actions.

    Yes, but it goes further than that. Once it's officially a disease, the money kicks in.

    Grant money to study it. Federal money to treat it. The big insurance boondoggle over covering its treatment. Of course, labor will insist that you can't be fired for catching a cold, right? Then you get the ADA brigade insisting that the poor sufferers of this disease should have "fair access" to strip clubs, restaurants, and sporting events without being harassed by constant reminders of the presence of alcohol. We'll get telethons and benefit concerts (Sot-Aid '09) and special in-school programs ("Why Can't Johnny Drink?") and maybe vomit-colored ribbons for Hollywood celebrities to wear on awards shows ("Here's to you, Mel") and high-profile lawsuits against makers of cold medicine, mouth wash, and vanilla extract for "negligently" slipping alcohol into their products and PC-police storm troopers excoriating writers for writing crass, insensitive drunk jokes based on taboo stereotypes ("Not all drunks puke on their shoes, you know!").

    Good times ahead.

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  78. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by mutterc · · Score: 1

    blame it on our character flaws

    I do. I spend lots of time at work surfing the Internet, reading /., etc. instead of working. I really ought to quit, but can't muster the willpower. I've also been pigging out the last few months. I'll probably have to hit rock bottom like addicts do (have a heart attack and/or get fired). I don't consider it an addiction, though, just good old-fashioned laziness.

  79. It's a personal choice.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...just like viewing pr0n ...just like smoking ...just like being gay

    You can always choose to stop, it's just that most aren't willing to make that choice.

  80. The role of responsibility in addiction by pawzle · · Score: 0

    "No physical symptoms" you say ?

    I believe that behavioural problems as a result of withdrawal count as physical symptoms. Some people like to say that marijuana isn't addictive. While I tend to agree with this stance, I also accept that most people do in fact consider it an addictive substance. Some draw the line between "mentally" and "physically" addictive by saying that unlike heroin, which can make you actually sick, give you shivers etc... marijuana just creates behavioural problems as a result of the withdrawal.

    But where do you draw the line ? If I choose to suddenly give up pot after two years of hardcore use every day, I not only get cranky, irritable, moody, aggressive, psychotic, but I might even get a headache, suffer from insomnia, and feel the compulsion to substitute another addiction in order to ease my "pain".

    Surely these things are physical symptoms. Headache and insomnia definitely are. Mood swings and psychotic behaviour, while mentally-based, are still physical in the sense that they can be measured in terms of brain chemistry, and would show up on various brain scans which measure chemical and electrical activity.

    All these symptoms can be associated with internet withdrawal just as easily as marijuana withdrawal. I guarantee you that if you measured the brainwave/electrical activity of a person's brain who was suffering from internet withdrawal, you would see abnormal activity. Does this not qualify as a "physical symptom" of withdrawal ? Just because it doesn't make you vomit, does not make it any less a "physical symptom".

    There's a big difference between "psychological" and "physiological" symptoms and I think it's important to realise that withdrawal from something like the internet can cause both just as easily as withdrawal from marijuana, amphetamines etc.

    Having said all that, the topic of this article is not whether the internet is addictive, but whether that addiction is a MEDICAL CONDITION. The author clearly indicates that the internet's addictive potential is assumed, and poses the question of medical basis as an extension of this.

    Many people in this thread have tried to suggest that labeling it as a medical condition immediately makes it a "disorder" or "disease" and therefore something which we are incapable of having any control over. This is NOT a valid conclusion to reach ! What is being asked is whether the simple fact of being addicted to the internet has an effect on you which is measurable via medical criteria. If an addictive habit or pastime affects you MEDICALLY, then it is a Medical Condition to be addicted to this activity.

    Noone apart from the trolls are trying to say that just because we label internet addiction as a medical condition that it will instantly become an EXCUSE for any particular type of behavior, or that we are recognising it as something unavoidable that we have no control over such as a disease.

    This is why alcoholism is NOT a disease or disorder, but ADD IS. ADD is something the affected person has no control over. They can try and control how it affects them, but they cannot simply choose to "turn off" the condition, or more importantly, to NOT GET the condition in the first place.

    Because alcoholism is an addiction, we cannot "turn it off" once we have it. That's what addiction means. However, we can choose not to suffer the addiction in the first place simply by not engaging in an activity (excessive drinking) which will cause ourselves to BECOME addicted. Regardless of whether some people are more PRONE to addiction or not, the fact is, we can still avoid becoming addicted in the first place by simply not drinking, or not drinking excessively (where excess is defined as the point at which the addiction occurs). Similarly, we can choose NOT to become addicted to the internet by limiting our exposure to it, choosing how we use it, and by monitoring how it influences the rest of our life.

    A disease is something we cannot choose to avoid. A disease is something over which we

  81. Testify, my brother, testify. by 93,000 · · Score: 1

    I'm with you. God forbid we actually admit we enjoy it.

    {And I could ramble for days about my thoughts on the disease model.)

  82. can someone write a firefox extension? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. I've been thinking of writing one myself but haven't a clue how to start.
    Spec:

    1 - U can set time limits, or Finish times for each day of the week.
    2 - It tracks your usage on that day.
    3 - It gives you 5 minute and 1 minute warnings when you are about to hit the limit.
    4 - When you hit the limit you have to enter a randomly created 25 digit code to get another 5 minutes browsing, and so on.

    I can seriously considermyself adicted.. as i should have gone to be hours ago and have to be up for work soon. Tired... so tired..

  83. Not a moment too soon by selfevident · · Score: 1

    Thank God!

    I myself have been showing disturbing signs of being compulsively human. I've noticed that I feel an urge I simply cannot control to be social. This really began to scare me when I tried not to talk and found that after a mere seven hours - seven hours! -- I said, "Howya doin'?" to the bagger at the supermarket. I didn't want to. It just slipped out. I couldn't control myself. Ever since, I've given in to my urge - yes, I know, I'm sick - answering the phone when it rings, responding not only to questions but to mere pleasantries, and even initiating conversations when they weren't strictly required.

    It's a nightmare. And it gets worse.

    it's not just that when I'm with others, I - ugh! - participate in destructive social rituals like caring what people are saying. Even when I'm alone, kind thoughts about other people invade my consciousness. I feel an impulse to wonder what they're thinking and what matters to them. I try to focus on computing pi or to remember the 1955 Dodgers starting lineup, but I just can't shut out those images and feelings.

    Sometimes - and I'm so ashamed to admit this - I use the Internet to sate these shameful urges.

    Admitting all this in public is, I can only hope, the first step towards healing.

  84. Have a look at these... by jbarr · · Score: 1

    "Net Usage Item"
    https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/225/

    "Usage Counter"
    https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3482/

    Not exactly what you're looking for, but maybe a start?

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  85. Try Using Present Day Psychological Science by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    > Attorneys say recognition by a court -- whether in this or some future
    > litigation -- that Internet abuse is an uncontrollable addiction, and not
    > just a bad habit, could redefine the condition as a psychological
    > impairment worthy of protection under the Americans with Disabilities Act.'

    An addiction has a biological definition, which includes re-regulation of the number of receptors based on the presence or absence of a substance that mimic or blocks neurotransmitters (or, technically, hormones, which are frequently the same chemicals as neurotransmitters, but outside the brain). The law can, and does, ignore such things as scientific definitions, such as when they instead use the entirely non-psychological term "instanity". Far be it from them to let people who know the field tell them anything.

    > The condition could even make it into the next edition of the American
    > Psychiatric Association's DSM, making it a full-blown neurosis.

    Neurosis is an out dated term. It's from Freudian theory, which has so far failed to have any experimental support. The DSM does not use the term, except perhaps in historical context.

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  86. Erm. by wframe9109 · · Score: 1

    I'm noticing a lot of skepticism about calling this a disease.

    Addiction is a mental condition. It has real, physical symptoms and causes. It can be more problematic than many other serious neurological disorders. I suggest you doubters take a few neuroscience classes before forming a solid opinion on this.

    One of the problems with addiction is that there can be many bases for it... Many typical drugs will produce similar end results in the brain (through alternate methods - [some] drugs are typically more direct in their addiction inducing nature) as a wide variety of activities ranging from gaming, to porn, to "the internet" and pretty much anything else someone intensely enjoys.

    On the other hand, this presents a dilemma. I haven't been in classes for a while, but if I remember correctly, the only way to really test for an addiction is to see how badly someone fucks up their life (DSM requires several key things like the effect it has on work, sleep, and other needs). This, combined with the fact that different people will be predisposed to addiction (and perhaps different types of addiction) at different levels... It makes it hard to tell if it really is an addiction.

    But then, you need to ask yourself... Before we knew what AIDS (insert other diseases here as well) was, was it not a disease?

    1. Re:Erm. by wframe9109 · · Score: 1

      The so called "self-constraint" and "discipline" have absolutely NOTHING to do with addiction. These are words you are associating with individuals who don't have as strong a predisposition to certain types of addiction. I also should have mentioned in my post that while it is a physiological problem, that doesn't mean it's an excuse for browsing the web at work. Although I would argue the employer should simply remove his internet access (or certain parts of the net...). Lastly... Say, two people are in a room with someone who has Ebola. One person gets it. The other doesn't. The guy who gets it dies. Does this mean it's not "real"? Is the other guy exhibiting self constraint? There are physiological (bad ones) changes caused by addiction. Just because you can't SEE them doesn't mean they aren't there.

  87. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    Let's just save some time and determine every form of antisocial behavior to be a disease. That way when we fuck up, we don't have to blame it on our character flaws.

    It's the disease, ya know. I can't help it. Please excuse parent. He's got a disease known FoPS -- Forthright Posting Syndrome. He knows not what he does...
  88. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

    Damn! I missed the opportunity for an excellent pun! I should've named it FoPos (faux pas...)

  89. He's a lawyer by Bob-taro · · Score: 1
    I started to RTFA, and once I saw that this was about a court case, I lost interest. Lawyers are paid to make an argument, and when no sane argument will work for their client, they pretty much have to go with an insane argument. Hey, don't blame the lawyers! Blame the juries and judges who actually fall for arguments like this!

    OTOH, if there truly is an addiction in this case, the lawyer is a textbook "enabler" because he's trying to shield the addict from the consequences of his actions.

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  90. even a few days in a row by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    It wouldn't be a huge surprise, with a recent Stanford study showing that 14% of people state it would be 'hard to stay away from the Net for even a few days in a row."

    I find it hard to stay away from my car for even a few days in a row. Am I addicted?

    I guess the Greens would say yes ...

  91. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Midian10 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, that is not the way it was for me...... I was held down and internet was forced on me by a magical leprechaun who drove a 97 Ford flying carpet. Same with beer except the gnomes made me drink. IT'S NOT MY FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a disease!

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  92. Multiple meanings of addiction by quintessentialk · · Score: 1

    When people talk about addiction in the popular sense (I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, so I don't speak with special authority) they're refering to at least a couple different things. Obviously

    1. Physical addiction -- where stopping the activity causes actual physical withdrawl symptoms; i.e. smoking tobacco, abusing opiates, etc.

    2. Psychological addiction -- where the activity causes the person to fail where they otherwise would succeed, particularly in maintenance of human relationships and in fulfillment of work responsibilities. We also usually mean that the behavior is socially unacceptable, and that the person is unhappy about it.

    The first is quantitatively, experimentally verifiable. The second is more difficult, and where the controversy lies. Remember those introductory psych courses back in college? They told us that a lot of what determines what a disorder is was tied to the social beliefs and patient attitude. Two examples: 1) self flagelation is a normal religious practice in some cultures, but would look like illness here. 2) Believing God is sending you messages through a statue or icon is not considered an illness. Believing president Bush is sending you messages through a statue or icon probably would be.

    Additionally, people will mean "addicted" to mean they engage in a behavior to an extent which they regret later. Under that sort of popular definition, we're all addicted to almost everything.

  93. Is it or isn't it? by MCraigW · · Score: 1

    If I get fired for it, then yes,it is a disease and I'll sue. Until then though, it isn't a disease any more than doing any normal activity that you enjoy.

  94. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "For example, homosexuality was scientifically proven to be a disease before the 70's."

    care to cite one scientific example?

    It may have been a disease by litigation; meaning the courts have called it a disease, but that is different then scientifically proven.

    A good example of the is 'building sickness' or mold.

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  95. I bet they would get the same answer by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

    If you asked people to go without human contact for a period of time.. people NEED social interaction, it is bred into us, and the internet (albiet dijointed somewhat) gives us that fix...

  96. I blame porn (interesting +0) by SaberTaylor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    seriously. All those World of Warcraft addicts are on unsupervised computers at home. Tell me they aren't multitasking their online gaming addiction with masturbation at the computer? Sexual release is a very powerful drug: http://www.mcmanweb.com/love_lust.htm

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  97. Internet Addiction Info by WiseMuse · · Score: 1

    A pattern of Internet use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period: 1. Tolerance, as defined by either of the following: * A need for markedly increased amounts of time on Internet to achieve satisfaction. * Markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of time on Internet. 2. Withdrawal, as manifested by either A or B below: * (A) the characteristic withdrawal syndrome, 1, 2 and 3 below 1. Cessation of (or reduction in) Internet use that has been heavy and prolonged. 2. Two (or more) of the following, developing within several days to a month after Criterion: o (a) psychomotor agitation o (b) anxiety o (c) obsessive thinking about what is happening on the Internet o (d) fantasies or dreams about the Internet o (e) voluntary or involuntary typing movements of the fingers 3. The symptoms in Criterion 2 cause distress or impairment in social, occupational or another important area of functioning * (B) Use of Internet or a similar on-line service is engaged in to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms. 3. Internet is often accessed more often or for longer periods of time than was intended. 4. There is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control Internet use. 5. A great deal of time is spent in activities related to Internet use (for example, buying Internet books, trying out new WWW browsers, researching Internet vendors, organizing files of downloaded materials). 6. Frequent talks about the Internet in daily life. 7. Important family, social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced in duration and/or frequency because of Internet use. 8. Internet use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical, family, social, occupational, or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by Internet use (for example, sleep deprivation, marital difficulties, lateness for early morning appointments, neglect of occupational duties, or feelings of abandonment in significant others).

  98. Psychiatry is quackery... IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychology is one thing but the emphasis on so-called modern psychiatry seems to be that of alleviating one's self of personal responsibility while emphasizing pharmacotherapeutics.

  99. Re: not a real addiction? by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 1

    I'm very sorry here, but all you're referring to here is the difference between a physical and a psychological dependency, and both are very real forms of addiction.

  100. Re:come on... seriously by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

    Again you are just reframing the question. I don't care about your negative connotations! If internet addiction is just "Man's natural tendency to fulfill his desires", then wouldn't we all be addicted. Why do some people exhibit "selfish" traits, or "laziness", while others are altruistic or highly productive?

  101. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by Guanine · · Score: 1

    I don't think "using the internet" (an umbrella term, to say the least) is necessarily antisocial. I've found that I use it when I can't actually interact with people, but still want to feel connected to them. I like websites that frequenly update not only because there are new things to read and learn, but it makes me feel like there is someone on the other end of the line. Even if it is simply a MySQL flip past 'now()'.

    Think about the fastest growing parts of the internet: social networking, video sharing, along with the old standby's, blogs and instant messaging - it's all about connecting to people. I don't think humans are any more addicted to the internet than they are addicted to being around other humans ...

  102. Re:come on... seriously by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

    Take a look at my post. Thanks for making /. a truly wonderful place.

  103. Unplug the cable by Chris+Shannon · · Score: 1

    While a constant connection at work is useful, it as also a tempting distraction, but it certainly not an addiction. However, try simply unplugging the ethernet cable and see how much real work you can get done.
    You might say, well, that won't work because you can easily plug the cable back in and you're addicted again. Try it, and you'll see that you'll keep working at the task at hand 9 times out of 10 whenever you feel the internet urge.
    This method requires you to actually think about whether another check of you email is actually a good use of your time.

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    1. Re:Unplug the cable by Arimus · · Score: 1

      Other than the small issue of my code repository being online together with all the design docs and the test/build servers...

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    2. Re:Unplug the cable by Chris+Shannon · · Score: 1

      Is your code repository and design docs here on /.? That's exactly my point. Unless you need constant connection, try just syncing up in the morning, then unplugging for the rest of the day.
      I too have an online code repository and online documentation, but it's often more interesting to wiki why is the sky blue, for example, than to read documentation.

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  104. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by coopex · · Score: 1

    Since I usually get bashed for using wiki as a source, here's a shitload of links

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  105. Didn't you know by Aetas · · Score: 0

    It's everyone elses fault but mine.

  106. It's a USEFUL appliance... by posterlogo · · Score: 1

    ...this is like saying I'm microwave addicted because I use it everyday. For those who can't cook, one might say they were 'addicted' to the microwave (maybe they can't live without it). Maybe we're addicted to gasoline -- can't go for too long without a refuel. I, for one, am addicted to clothing. I feel very nervous without it in public and I'm always looking for my next fix. In short, perhaps we can't always attribute addiction to things we use very commonly.

  107. Beyond the scope of DSM by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    A major new development that ushers in a new age is not something that can be shrunk back down to a page in DSM. The Information Age is here. The usage range goes from zero "I hate those goddamn computers" to the extensive use we are discussing here.

    If a non-work activity is interfering with work, then name the problem very specifically.
    "This person is hooked on paid sex chat services that are interfering with work." This is NOT an 'internet addiction', because then they could just change delivery mechanisms to their cell phone while their breaks lengthen. Get the person counseling so they don't have to discuss sex with outsiders at work.

    If someone is not breaking work policies, then it becomes even more unclear. So some guy likes to spend 8 non-work hours a day playing MMORPGs. Okay. What's your point? Is someone else a better person because they like to do 'manly stuff' like fishing and working on their truck?

    Plus there's tremendous risk to get certain people tagged with a medical label for dubious reasons, because all kinds of consequences then arise.

    We have to make sure the inflammatory media doesn't brainwash people with this ruse.

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    My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
  108. Name That Disease! by Seantotheizzo · · Score: 1

    Have you seen those "Restless Leg Syndrome" commercials? How bout you !@#$ing use your legs, maybe, I don't know, take a hike? Then your legs wouldn't be restless. Patient: I'M CURED, DOC! Doctor: Wonderful. So the 3 prescription medications I put you on helped, eh? Patient: No, I took a hike! But those pills, man, they're wonderfully addictive. Hey can I get refill?

  109. Re:come on... seriously by DaoudaW · · Score: 1

    How rude! [note to moderators: Please mod parent "flamebait".

  110. Addiction vs. Disability by atomic_toaster · · Score: 1

    Although I don't personally believe that it's true, let's suppose for the sake of argument that internet addiction could be considered legitimate. Although it has become increasingly rare in this ever-more litigious society, it is possible to be fired for an addiction, especially when it impinges on your ability to do your job. Alcoholics and drug addicts (legal and not) are often fired once their addiction is discovered, and it's usually discovered simply because it prevents them from performing sufficiently well at their place of employment. The reason they can be fired is because (hypothetically) they could choose to go into rehab of some kind, and their choice not to do so is relevant. So, if you couldn't control your internet addiction and it kept you from being able to do your job, you could potentially be fired. That makes sense to me.

    However, if you count internet addiction as a disability, suddenly workplaces will be required to keep you on even if they find out about it. You can't fire someone for being restricted to a wheelchair, or having OCD, or being HIV-positive. Granted, your employer may, for instance, find a position for someone in an office instead of, say, manual labour, but your boss would have serious legal problems if they fired you for having a disability. So if internet addiction were recognized as a disability, nobody could fire you for it. The problem is, in this day and age, most businesses are highly computerized, so finding a position for someone that doesn't use a computer at all would be remarkably difficult.

    So I say it may be an addiction, but for God's sake don't call it a disability, especially a legally-recognized disability. Stupid things happen in upper-management heads when something is called a disability. For example, at a friend's place of work, he had to actively argue against an employee being transferred to reception. The upper-level management couldn't understand why you wouldn't want someone with Tourette's syndrome being the first point of contact for your customers.

    Having a disability does not mean that you are inferior, but it does mean that there are some things you simply can't do. However, when something is legally recognized as a disability, in an effort towards equality, too many people try to fit a square peg into a round hole. If someone did not have Tourette's, but had a potty-mouth, would you put them in a receptionist's role? If someone was not in a wheelchair, but was not strong enough to lift heavy boxes, would you hire them as a mover?

  111. Re:come on... seriously by SuperStretchy · · Score: 1

    Note to mods- Mod parent "hypocritical"

  112. Re:Bad behavior = disease... why not?? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1
    I mean, if you are addicted to something, it is squarely your fault for being in that position (unless someone tied you up and injected you with $substance every other day).

    Usually, yes, I'd agree with this.

    Obviously you can't be held accountable for your actions, for you getting lung cancer -- it is those damn cigarette companies! Because obviously, they tied you up and made you smoke every day.

    If you get lung cancer because you smoked cigarettes knowing full well the whole time that cigarettes tend to cause lung cancer then yes, you're clearly to blame for this. Nowadays that's pretty much everyone, though in the past before we knew that cigarettes caused lung cancer I find it harder to say that someone should be held accountable for such a thing.

    This culture of making every habit or behaviour into a disease is just ridiculous. Folks just need to be held accountable and responsible for their actions.

    But here's the thing: this doesn't follow from any of the rest of your post. Yes, people need to be responsible for their actions. But this doesn't mean that lung cancer isn't a medical condition. Why should internet addiction be any different? Because it deals with the brain, and the brain is more complicated than the lungs?

    The ADA is a stupid law. Medical conditions like "internet addiction" make this obvious, but why should it be any different if the medical condition is lung cancer caused by smoking, or paraplegism caused by drunk driving, or blindness caused by staring at the sun?

  113. I am an internet addict by ghoul · · Score: 1

    How about the person has big assignments to submit and sits at his computer to work and then spend 4 hours on Slashdot. This is much more destructive to a persons career than getting drunk. Drunks at least make new friends. I know internet addiction is real because it has destroyed my life. e.g. Tomorrow I have to submit a final paper which is 40% of my grade and I am typing comments on Slashdot. I dont even have the luxury of getting away from the internet as I need to use it to do the research. Wish I was a drunk. I could just lock away my bottles and get on with my work.

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    **Life is too short to be serious**
  114. PTSD and Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The brief mention that he had PTSD may indicate the true problem. There may be a connection between the episodes of panic attacks related to PTSD and addiction to activities that supply subliminal stimulation caused by exposure to Subliminal Distraction.

    Working for IBM it is likely he uses a cubicle thus the exposure must be elsewhere unless he modified his workstation.
    http://visionandpsychosis.net/modern_cubical.htm

    PTSD is a problem that is suspected in many cases.
    http://visionandpsychosis.net/PTSD.htm

    The phenomenon is actually operant conditioning.
    http://visionandpsychosis.net/Subliminal_Accidenta l_Operant_Conditioning.htm

    Perform this psychology demonstration to understand how the problem happens.
    http://visionandpsychosis.net/a_demonstration_you_ can_do.htm