So you're in a university...I would like to think that means you're surrounded by smart maybe even slighly geeky people.
Send out e-mails to everyone to whom you administer network access and ask for some assistance. (You should already have everyones e-mail addresses - if you don't, get them so you can inform everyone of network changes.)
Doing your job the best you can as a volunteer may be impressive, but running a small team of volunteers and doing it better is downright shocking.
Would this ring, or others like it, work in two directions? i.e. diverging electromagnetic radiation sourcing from here across the space we see 'through' the lens?
The article suggests moving the changes across to KHTML isn't going to be easy.
My entire point was they shouldnt feel obligated or pressured in anyway by the community to port the changes over if Apple havent made it conveinient for them. They can accomplish their own goals in their own time. Remember these guys do it for nothing.
"users DO NOT CARE if your code is 'elegant' and 'easier to mantain', users WANT THINGS TO WORK whether or not they are 'elegant' or 'adequate'."
Yes people want programs that work and are function rich. People want programs that are secure. People want patches and changes quickly. Pick 2. Elegant clean code, allows for #3 and to a certain extent #2.
How would you feel as a coder to be tossed an old modded version of your code with a totally different style to it, and have to redo alot of your OWN developments to incorporate in somebody elses.
The KHTML team aren't obliged to incorporate Apples changes, they can go it alone if they want and do it their own way, even if it takes months longer. I urge the KHTML team not to even risk sacrificing the quality of their project or coding style for the sake of incorporating Apple's changes.
The 30 million users figure appearing without any 'pomp and fanfare' does ring home when you consider that is roughly half the population of the United Kingdom.
MSN messenger is been horrible recently, with message lag and problems with connecting. Should I use Skype?
"In fact generally we focus on the next generation of Google's crawling and indexing technology. We've got hard-core statisticians pondering how to measure search quality more accurately, and a slightly nutty project that we think might revolutionize the way that we organize and search structured information."...and of course their aquisition of TrustRank.
Technically this is incorrect, the first 'Google website' is archived under google.standford.edu. Although obviously he meant the first Google.com webpage, I thought i'd post it for the sake of enjoyment I get from being annoying.
Looks like the wayback machine itself has suffered a painful death. Archive.org for the most part is loading brilliantly.
Too many server side scripts me thinks, anyone know how how archived pages are stored? Are they just organised into a file system directory tree or do they use some sort of db intensive backend? (For access I mean, not for searching)
Maybe they've realised they can make more mint by targetting consumers and OEM's with mindless resource hogging eye-candy than they can producing an OS for the betterment of computing using innovative underware.
For most non-slashdotting home users it will be an 'upgrade', what I wonder is.. what will "Longhorn Server" offer over Windows Server 2003 after the eye-candy has been stripped?
The third comment down on the entry blog is the only one worth reading.
Anonymous Says: April 25th, 2005 at 12:19 pm
"An email could have gone out at the beginning of the semester asking for volunteers to receive a message at a late, unannounced time."
Moral of the day: If you're going to emulate something evil in a research context you get the damn permission and cover your arse first
Sneaky Solution: Slip an agreement into the campus network AUP that lets the "IT security office" carry out 'various surveys, tests and research to help improve campus security and promote awareness of security related issues that may effect students. All IT security office studies follow our strict <a href="PP-url-goes-here">privacy policy</a>'. Most students sign an AUP and if they don't read it, then that becomes their problem.
No I assumed that was the investigation in full, not an unreasonable assumption I feel, since there are no links back to the main/goog/ page or the multi-engine tests from/orig/:-P
An 8% swing could be caused by any number of the factors, some I touched on in my post.
I know you're solely providing analysis of your discovery and not conspiracy theories of your one, but what would be the great benefit to Microsoft of getting more everyday joe bloggs surfers visiting pages on Microsoft IIS servers?
I would hardly think server product awareness mattered to 1% of surfers, and if the pages are functioning properly you wouldn't be aware of the httpd at all.
Another reason could be rewarding server admins and webhosting companies for using Microsoft software. By driving more visitors to IIS served sites, more webmasters (bloggers etc) will choose to go with IIS webhosting and servers and hence uptake of IIS hosting services increases and these services want to start to move toward IIS. I don't see how this would work though, unless the IIS advantage was made ridiculously blatant. I don't think it'd work indirectly or on a subconcious level either.
So this swing must be the result of coincedence, something not taken into account in your tests, or some sort of silly reasoning on Microsoft's part.
In hindsight, your analysis isn't 'weak' but without looking at other factors or getting a statement from MSN it'll be difficult to find out what's going on.
It might be interesting if you could replace the "Server:" header on your website, or a friends, with that of IIS and see if your own MSN ranking changes. This might be possible with cgi, perl, php etc..
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You don't pay anything to be listed in Google's main search results. Google exist primarily to help people find information THEY want, not to drive traffic to YOUR site. That's what their ad schemes are for.
First i'd like to point out that the average of the "Diff" % column for apache is -8.30% while the average for the "Diff" % column for IIS is +4.48%. This means on average MSN returned about 8.3% fewer apache sites than Google, but only 4.5% more IIS sites. That leaves a 3.8% loss.
But thats enough on the numbers, frankly I don't think they show much at all...let's ask a few questions...
Did this guy:
Check any of these IIS websites to see if they were using robots.txt to block (or partially block) Google?
Or stop to consider and investigate whether or not IIS webmasters slightly favour MSN search for submission?
Or test against the other top 4 search engines, other than Google?
Or factor in technologies like the tendencies toward ASP, Java servlets etc on the win32 platform over PHP, Perl etc on linux and how these effect spider performance?
Or use more specific topical search strings and compare relevence by reading the pages to prove less relevent/worthy pages were being bumped up because they are using IIS? (i.e. a human comparison rather than just comparing against other possibly biased engines)
This is interesting on first sight but really doesn't show anything (yet?).
Slashdot Mirror
So you're in a university...I would like to think that means you're surrounded by smart maybe even slighly geeky people.
Send out e-mails to everyone to whom you administer network access and ask for some assistance. (You should already have everyones e-mail addresses - if you don't, get them so you can inform everyone of network changes.)
Doing your job the best you can as a volunteer may be impressive, but running a small team of volunteers and doing it better is downright shocking.
Actually I guess being a gravitational distortion it'd actually focus radiation from here to somewhere 'out there'..?
Focus or scatter?
Would this ring, or others like it, work in two directions? i.e. diverging electromagnetic radiation sourcing from here across the space we see 'through' the lens?
Just curious.
The article suggests moving the changes across to KHTML isn't going to be easy.
My entire point was they shouldnt feel obligated or pressured in anyway by the community to port the changes over if Apple havent made it conveinient for them. They can accomplish their own goals in their own time. Remember these guys do it for nothing.
Yes people want programs that work and are function rich. People want programs that are secure. People want patches and changes quickly. Pick 2. Elegant clean code, allows for #3 and to a certain extent #2.
How would you feel as a coder to be tossed an old modded version of your code with a totally different style to it, and have to redo alot of your OWN developments to incorporate in somebody elses.
The KHTML team aren't obliged to incorporate Apples changes, they can go it alone if they want and do it their own way, even if it takes months longer. I urge the KHTML team not to even risk sacrificing the quality of their project or coding style for the sake of incorporating Apple's changes.
Higher resolution version on archive.org ...not because I want to see him in drag or anything..just purely for the geek points. >_> no really...
But Skype means talking to someone! *shiver*
The 30 million users figure appearing without any 'pomp and fanfare' does ring home when you consider that is roughly half the population of the United Kingdom.
MSN messenger is been horrible recently, with message lag and problems with connecting. Should I use Skype?
P.S. IRC forever.
Still there may be hope on the horizon.
...and of course their aquisition of TrustRank.
"In fact generally we focus on the next generation of Google's crawling and indexing technology. We've got hard-core statisticians pondering how to measure search quality more accurately, and a slightly nutty project that we think might revolutionize the way that we organize and search structured information."
"I took a peek at WayBackMachine.com and found Google's first website."
Technically this is incorrect, the first 'Google website' is archived under google.standford.edu. Although obviously he meant the first Google.com webpage, I thought i'd post it for the sake of enjoyment I get from being annoying.
Don't miss the pictures and stats of Google hardware, or Sergey's and Larry's Stanford pages either for those who haven't seen it all before.
Looks like the wayback machine itself has suffered a painful death. Archive.org for the most part is loading brilliantly.
Too many server side scripts me thinks, anyone know how how archived pages are stored? Are they just organised into a file system directory tree or do they use some sort of db intensive backend? (For access I mean, not for searching)
"I hope the Mozilla and IE7 teams follow his lead."
:)
Opera too
Maybe they've realised they can make more mint by targetting consumers and OEM's with mindless resource hogging eye-candy than they can producing an OS for the betterment of computing using innovative underware.
For most non-slashdotting home users it will be an 'upgrade', what I wonder is.. what will "Longhorn Server" offer over Windows Server 2003 after the eye-candy has been stripped?
Birds...cat's..whatever. But come on..when did you ever see a birdcat?
No no no. Usually you don't have to reinstall the OS to install a service pack, even if it does replace half the OS. ..this is clearly XP SE.
More importantly, did he change his password after disabling the LM hashing, because otherwise it's equally pointless.
Additionally the wins may not be as strong, but the force of gravity is significantly weaker.
The purple start button is aweful. Generally I think it looks ghastly, but atleast they ditched the sidebar.
Does/did the Windows 2k classic style GUI really need replacing?
This blog post seems to explain it, apparently it's the user-agent used in an example in a perl cookbook
Cheers!
Interesting there there is 8.00 and 8.0. BTW I think Opera still appends 'Opera' to the user-agent when set to identify as IE or Firefox/Mozilla.
What about Opera? care to divulge?
Moral of the day: If you're going to emulate something evil in a research context you get the damn permission and cover your arse first
Sneaky Solution: Slip an agreement into the campus network AUP that lets the "IT security office" carry out 'various surveys, tests and research to help improve campus security and promote awareness of security related issues that may effect students. All IT security office studies follow our strict <a href="PP-url-goes-here">privacy policy</a>'. Most students sign an AUP and if they don't read it, then that becomes their problem.
No I assumed that was the investigation in full, not an unreasonable assumption I feel, since there are no links back to the main /goog/ page or the multi-engine tests from /orig/ :-P
An 8% swing could be caused by any number of the factors, some I touched on in my post.
I know you're solely providing analysis of your discovery and not conspiracy theories of your one, but what would be the great benefit to Microsoft of getting more everyday joe bloggs surfers visiting pages on Microsoft IIS servers?
I would hardly think server product awareness mattered to 1% of surfers, and if the pages are functioning properly you wouldn't be aware of the httpd at all.
Another reason could be rewarding server admins and webhosting companies for using Microsoft software. By driving more visitors to IIS served sites, more webmasters (bloggers etc) will choose to go with IIS webhosting and servers and hence uptake of IIS hosting services increases and these services want to start to move toward IIS. I don't see how this would work though, unless the IIS advantage was made ridiculously blatant. I don't think it'd work indirectly or on a subconcious level either.
So this swing must be the result of coincedence, something not taken into account in your tests, or some sort of silly reasoning on Microsoft's part.
In hindsight, your analysis isn't 'weak' but without looking at other factors or getting a statement from MSN it'll be difficult to find out what's going on.
It might be interesting if you could replace the "Server:" header on your website, or a friends, with that of IIS and see if your own MSN ranking changes. This might be possible with cgi, perl, php etc..
You don't pay anything to be listed in Google's main search results. Google exist primarily to help people find information THEY want, not to drive traffic to YOUR site. That's what their ad schemes are for.
People forget that.
First i'd like to point out that the average of the "Diff" % column for apache is -8.30% while the average for the "Diff" % column for IIS is +4.48%. This means on average MSN returned about 8.3% fewer apache sites than Google, but only 4.5% more IIS sites. That leaves a 3.8% loss.
But thats enough on the numbers, frankly I don't think they show much at all...let's ask a few questions...
Did this guy:
Check any of these IIS websites to see if they were using robots.txt to block (or partially block) Google?
Or stop to consider and investigate whether or not IIS webmasters slightly favour MSN search for submission?
Or test against the other top 4 search engines, other than Google?
Or factor in technologies like the tendencies toward ASP, Java servlets etc on the win32 platform over PHP, Perl etc on linux and how these effect spider performance?
Or use more specific topical search strings and compare relevence by reading the pages to prove less relevent/worthy pages were being bumped up because they are using IIS? (i.e. a human comparison rather than just comparing against other possibly biased engines)
This is interesting on first sight but really doesn't show anything (yet?).
There are still many programs out there that can download video streams. CoCSoft Stream Down is one, and they work too.