This strikes me as a silly idea. IE can already host activeX controls and you can make rich guis with HTA. Why introduce yet another rich gui framework. If you need a fat client write a fat client application.
BTW java web start is a much better solution for fat clients. As a bonus you can code it right now.
I didn't accuse him of MS worship even though a cursory examination of his posts make that pretty obvious. I simply told him to go hang out that the MS worship sites if he dislikes slashdot so much.
I was also wondering why he (or anybody) cares so much if somebody bashes MS. I mean do you get upset if I say that Maytag washers suck? Why would you get upset if I say windows sucks.
It's just another corporation making just another crappy product. More evil then most corporations but just another corporation nevertheless.
So? Why do you care so much. If you don't like it leave. Maybe you can hang out at one of those MS worship sites where everybody loves windows hates linux. Lots of those around too you know.
My favorite thing the media does is creative use of language. When paid mercenaries are killed they are called "civillian contractors" but when actual civillians are killed they are called "insurgents". Fundamentalist shiite cleric sistani is refered to as a religious leader while another one is always described as a "radical cleric".
If people don't want choices companies are happy to take the choices away for them. Redhat, sun, linspire and to lesser extent suse all give the user a cohesive system with a pre-chosen set of software. The user does not ever have to think of what desktop or browser to use because there is one default one installed. They all also handle updating and installing transparently for the user. This is especially powerful with click n run where the user is presented with a list of available software and they click on the one they want and it installs magically for them.
I really don't understant your point of denying users choice. Maybe you mean users should not even have the option of installing software that competes with the defaults. Is that it? Should they be prevented from surfing the web and finding alternatives or should they be prevented from installing alternatives if they want to try one?
Turkey is a secular democracy which is largely islamic. They are very anti arab and pro israel. Not just the govt the people too.
Odd that they would have more sympathy towards israel then arabs but this is probably due to centruies of fighting with arabs (and kurds). They also don't like the kurds very much either.
"Not to say that this Bible story is wrong or Evolution is wrong but can you really say that "two of every single creature on earth and a handful of people who then proceeded to populate the entire earth" is less probable than Evolution?"
Yes I would. There is tons of evidence for evolution. On the other hand there is no evidence for the biblical story. Not only that but there is evidence that goes against it. For example people can now trace genes tens of thousands of years in the past. They can determine how widespread a species was at a given time by looking at the genes. No study done indicates that there were only two of each creature. For example at one time it is estimated that there were only around ten thousand human beings on the planet (way before the flood happened BTW) but never two.
"Would you also say that Evolution is "ridiculous on the face of it"? Different people find different things ridiculous."
Of course they do. Some people believe that there is a face on mars. Some people believe that aliens come down and abduct them. Some people believe that the earth is flat. Some people believe that we never landed on the moon.
Not every belief is equal. Some things have evidence for them other don't.
"You've never had a weird problem? Everything is always perfectly documented? Riiiight."
I have had lots of weird problems. Once I had a weird problem with veritas that took almost a month to figure out. Needless to say it wasn't veritas who figured out the problem. All that money they took from my company and they were useless in the end. I once had a problem with access. After two weeks of trying to get a solution from MS I just gave up and rewrote a huge portion of my application. Six months later MS finally admitted that my problem was a bug and suggested a workaround.
Whenever I have have a "weird" problem it's always with a commercial product. The support contracts that we have (and we have lots of them) end up being useless because it takes days to get any resolution at all and we waste a ton of time on the phone. I once wasted the better half of a week on the phone with tech support with a weird problem.
Oddly enough none of the open source stuff we have has weird problems. Things just work. Whenever I have a problem I post to the listserve and usually get an answer within hours. Of course that's only if I haven't found the answer in google already which happens about 80% of the time.
My experience shows me that commercial support pretty much sucks. It makes the PHBs happy but it's not much help to the guys who make things work.
I don't know where you got that idea from. The mountain is a popular tourist destination and there have been many expeditions to find the ark already.
If somebody found the ark it would be the biggest tourist destination in the world and the Turkish govt would make billions off of it. It's in their interest to find something.
if you have stock in those companies time to sell it. These companies have locked themselves into a vendor and a cruel hartless one at that.
One of their compatitors who was smart enough to avoid vendor lock is going to switch. The company will save millions of dollars over time and those savings will reflect in the cost of their goods. Your locked in company will no longer be able to compete.
What's worse your locked in comapny has lost significant agility in the marketplace. If their software does not provide some functionality they will have to bend over and take it while their more agile competitor adapts to the fast changing marketplace.
Poor sods. They are dead and they don't even know it yet.
Can we blame them for not pricing all their customers the same? It doesn't seem fair to charge one person 300 and another 60 does it? How does a monopoly get away with that?
I guess I should not complain too much. Anything that slows down the MS profit juggernaut is a good thing. Every dollar not charged to a charity is one less dollar in Bill Gates pocket.
Best time to do this is when MS introduces a new version of windows and office. There is enough of a difference so that all your workers will need to retrained some anyway. If you are going to send them all to training anyways it makes sense to extend the training and skip the upgrade.
"The main reason for technical support is user error, which is not something that freely-donated open-source support handles very well."
Please forgive me for yelling but apparently many people here are deaf. YOU CAN BUY SUPPORT IF YOU WANT TO. YOU CAN BUY ANY LEVEL OF SUPPORT YOU WANT FROM MULTIPLE VENDORS.
Did you hear that? You can buy support if you want or need it. In summary.
Free support for OSS projects is better then free support from ms (mainly because MS does not offer free support for the vast majority of it's products). Paid support is frequently better for OSS projects because the people supporting are usually the developers and/or have access to source code.
"If you think the software purchasing decisions made by the vast majority of American businesses are -5 Codswallop"
having worked for many american companies I can state without hesitation that the software buying decisions are made by morons based on some magazine they read on an airplane or something their buddy told them on golf course. -5 Codswallop (my new favorite word) sums it up beautifully.
Holy shit. You spent two days with tech support before you got an answer?
That truly sucks. How much did cost you to have members of your IT team on the phone for two days? why wan't the answer in the documentation in the first place? Nobody in any newsgroup came up with an answer before two days?
I don't think I have ever waited two days to get an answer to any question in a listserve or a newsgroup.
According to MS you don't need high power sysadmins. Anybody could run exchange. I doubt a business that's running exchange is going to hire a high power sysadming like that, it would totally throw out their TCO calculation.
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Bah. That's just wishful thinking. I'll tell you a secret. The business people don't want to code. That's why they hire programmers.
This strikes me as a silly idea. IE can already host activeX controls and you can make rich guis with HTA. Why introduce yet another rich gui framework. If you need a fat client write a fat client application.
BTW java web start is a much better solution for fat clients. As a bonus you can code it right now.
That's funny I thought it was pronounced XUL.
"Damn ethics -- why was I cursed with honest parents!!!"
Well you'll never work at Microsoft that's for sure.
I didn't accuse him of MS worship even though a cursory examination of his posts make that pretty obvious. I simply told him to go hang out that the MS worship sites if he dislikes slashdot so much.
I was also wondering why he (or anybody) cares so much if somebody bashes MS. I mean do you get upset if I say that Maytag washers suck? Why would you get upset if I say windows sucks.
It's just another corporation making just another crappy product. More evil then most corporations but just another corporation nevertheless.
So? Why do you care so much. If you don't like it leave. Maybe you can hang out at one of those MS worship sites where everybody loves windows hates linux. Lots of those around too you know.
Beware that sysprep is not a panacea. Your restore will fail if the hardware is different enough.
Also sysprep is no longer supported by MS.
The only reason they can do that is because they have a monopoly. A regular company would have sunk after 3 versions of something that sucked.
Just come out and say it.
Microsoft is a cult.
My favorite thing the media does is creative use of language. When paid mercenaries are killed they are called "civillian contractors" but when actual civillians are killed they are called "insurgents". Fundamentalist shiite cleric sistani is refered to as a religious leader while another one is always described as a "radical cleric".
It's quite amusing to watch the news these days.
" you need a word processor that reads and writes Office document format PERFECTLY."
Congratulations. You are now vendor locked. You may no longer choose to use other products that may have better/different features or cost less.
Have nice day and please continue to deposit money into our accounts on a regular basis.
Thank you
Management at MS.
Why would an end user want an installer API?
If people don't want choices companies are happy to take the choices away for them. Redhat, sun, linspire and to lesser extent suse all give the user a cohesive system with a pre-chosen set of software. The user does not ever have to think of what desktop or browser to use because there is one default one installed. They all also handle updating and installing transparently for the user. This is especially powerful with click n run where the user is presented with a list of available software and they click on the one they want and it installs magically for them.
I really don't understant your point of denying users choice. Maybe you mean users should not even have the option of installing software that competes with the defaults. Is that it? Should they be prevented from surfing the web and finding alternatives or should they be prevented from installing alternatives if they want to try one?
Turkey is a secular democracy which is largely islamic. They are very anti arab and pro israel. Not just the govt the people too.
Odd that they would have more sympathy towards israel then arabs but this is probably due to centruies of fighting with arabs (and kurds). They also don't like the kurds very much either.
LOL. You are not supposed to ask those things.
The lord moves in mysterious ways.
Holy shit. There is no end to the weird stuff on the internet is there.
"Not to say that this Bible story is wrong or Evolution is wrong but can you really say that "two of every single creature on earth and a handful of people who then proceeded to populate the entire earth" is less probable than Evolution?"
Yes I would. There is tons of evidence for evolution. On the other hand there is no evidence for the biblical story. Not only that but there is evidence that goes against it. For example people can now trace genes tens of thousands of years in the past. They can determine how widespread a species was at a given time by looking at the genes. No study done indicates that there were only two of each creature. For example at one time it is estimated that there were only around ten thousand human beings on the planet (way before the flood happened BTW) but never two.
"Would you also say that Evolution is "ridiculous on the face of it"? Different people find different things ridiculous."
Of course they do. Some people believe that there is a face on mars. Some people believe that aliens come down and abduct them. Some people believe that the earth is flat. Some people believe that we never landed on the moon.
Not every belief is equal. Some things have evidence for them other don't.
Why would the Turkish govt keep the ark a secret? It would be a boon to the economy.
I have read a little about the PKK apparently they are not nice people.
"You've never had a weird problem? Everything is always perfectly documented? Riiiight."
I have had lots of weird problems. Once I had a weird problem with veritas that took almost a month to figure out. Needless to say it wasn't veritas who figured out the problem. All that money they took from my company and they were useless in the end. I once had a problem with access. After two weeks of trying to get a solution from MS I just gave up and rewrote a huge portion of my application. Six months later MS finally admitted that my problem was a bug and suggested a workaround.
Whenever I have have a "weird" problem it's always with a commercial product. The support contracts that we have (and we have lots of them) end up being useless because it takes days to get any resolution at all and we waste a ton of time on the phone. I once wasted the better half of a week on the phone with tech support with a weird problem.
Oddly enough none of the open source stuff we have has weird problems. Things just work. Whenever I have a problem I post to the listserve and usually get an answer within hours. Of course that's only if I haven't found the answer in google already which happens about 80% of the time.
My experience shows me that commercial support pretty much sucks. It makes the PHBs happy but it's not much help to the guys who make things work.
I don't know where you got that idea from. The mountain is a popular tourist destination and there have been many expeditions to find the ark already.
If somebody found the ark it would be the biggest tourist destination in the world and the Turkish govt would make billions off of it. It's in their interest to find something.
if you have stock in those companies time to sell it. These companies have locked themselves into a vendor and a cruel hartless one at that.
One of their compatitors who was smart enough to avoid vendor lock is going to switch. The company will save millions of dollars over time and those savings will reflect in the cost of their goods. Your locked in company will no longer be able to compete.
What's worse your locked in comapny has lost significant agility in the marketplace. If their software does not provide some functionality they will have to bend over and take it while their more agile competitor adapts to the fast changing marketplace.
Poor sods. They are dead and they don't even know it yet.
Can we blame them for not pricing all their customers the same? It doesn't seem fair to charge one person 300 and another 60 does it? How does a monopoly get away with that?
I guess I should not complain too much. Anything that slows down the MS profit juggernaut is a good thing. Every dollar not charged to a charity is one less dollar in Bill Gates pocket.
Best time to do this is when MS introduces a new version of windows and office. There is enough of a difference so that all your workers will need to retrained some anyway. If you are going to send them all to training anyways it makes sense to extend the training and skip the upgrade.
"The main reason for technical support is user error, which is not something that freely-donated open-source support handles very well."
Please forgive me for yelling but apparently many people here are deaf. YOU CAN BUY SUPPORT IF YOU WANT TO. YOU CAN BUY ANY LEVEL OF SUPPORT YOU WANT FROM MULTIPLE VENDORS.
Did you hear that? You can buy support if you want or need it. In summary.
Free support for OSS projects is better then free support from ms (mainly because MS does not offer free support for the vast majority of it's products). Paid support is frequently better for OSS projects because the people supporting are usually the developers and/or have access to source code.
"If you think the software purchasing decisions made by the vast majority of American businesses are -5 Codswallop"
having worked for many american companies I can state without hesitation that the software buying decisions are made by morons based on some magazine they read on an airplane or something their buddy told them on golf course. -5 Codswallop (my new favorite word) sums it up beautifully.
Holy shit. You spent two days with tech support before you got an answer?
That truly sucks. How much did cost you to have members of your IT team on the phone for two days? why wan't the answer in the documentation in the first place? Nobody in any newsgroup came up with an answer before two days?
I don't think I have ever waited two days to get an answer to any question in a listserve or a newsgroup.
According to MS you don't need high power sysadmins. Anybody could run exchange. I doubt a business that's running exchange is going to hire a high power sysadming like that, it would totally throw out their TCO calculation.