you know standards dont work come on try it CSS 2.0 / javascript
and yes i *always* -> validator.w3.org
by confering my sites under those 4 engines (and 3 Operating Systems) i make extra sure i dont get some weird divs stuck on a corner - or huge fonts being displayed
Yeah I read the RTFA eventually and saw I was wrong.
I was shocked at first because Konqueror shoudn't change the KTHML engine (but an option for users to change is most welcome - I doubt most will do - if they use Konqueror is because they prefer KHTML!)
I design my sites to be XHTML 1.1 strict (pedantic me)
further they should run on the fab 4:|
Internet Exploder 5+
Mozilla Gecko family
Opera
KTHML
plus operational when no Javascript
Now.. making it also run pretty in DILLO is just impossible (way over the top) so I draw my line there.
My overcompliance can turn counter-productive
Mind u.. am checking out my site on dillo/lynx/links its degrading gracefully alright
I mean some of the apps are direly off-putting to use.
A combination of client/server side scripting without plugins - could make it more interesting.
It's tempting to write an Excel clone - much like what they've done with Outlook which is entirely web-based.
The SQL Server enterprise manager web-app
which seems to have been abandoned - is another example.
Cool are those HTML formatting text-editor - there is one that is truly cross-platform (well *almost*).. can't remember the link.
I just find Javascript much better and lighter - cleaner...
And that combined with serve-side could make it into a web that is quite comfortable/intuitive to use.
How I wished there were more Java apps they are truly cross-OS
I didn't have a file-share program so I've installed a pretty good one in Java - pretty simple. I needed an MSN Clone so a pretty cute one in Java.
I needed a SQL Server GUI found one in Java.
Mind you - am resorting now to web-based SQL Server apps - much better less hassle.
There are a number of software that runs in Java,
ok not all are good - that is up to the programmers. Datadino is full of bug and $99 when they use open-source code. But many others are pretty slick and hassle free.
Java apps are truly cross-platform, wished there were more.
Last app I was impressed with but haven't played with it enough is Eclipse - brilliant
People diss Java (maybe because its trendy to do so?), when so far I don't know of anything as cross-OS compatible and easy to install (as long as you have JDK of course).
Dont remind me I still haven't paid my TV license:( Last year had an official down here - he let me off the fine provided I wrote a cheque there and then. 110 pounds is too much
It took under 1 week to learn C#
But forever to learn Java - and still can't.
Maybe I am not that clever - but I found C# incredibly simple to get into, and amazingly resourceful / piss-easy.. why?? I still find it an ugly language though (I like pretty code), but at least I can do nice stuff I just would take forever using another technology. Either learning it or getting help.
It very much depends on which distro you are going for. Now I don't know if there are other distros apart from YellowDog that runs on a Mac. Assuming you want to install it on a Mac, otherwise you have more choice.
Installing a standard program should be a breeze - many or most Linux distros - have a way to fetch a program for you and install it automatically (some graphicall other through the console:
Most distros or distro-genre have this sort of "remote" installation.
Many even resolve you the headaches such as downloading necessary extra programs to make it work (the so called dependancies)
It's really not that bad.
Problems will start only if you want to get that much more from the system. Installing the latest video driver, or compiling a program from source (perhaps to gain speed, or perhaps because it's a rare program published only as source). You might get mixed up trying to make things like Eclipse run - but I don't think you'd use it - its a development tool. NVU is another example, an HTML editor that may be attractive to some but is not readily compiled for all distros.
Compiling is not that bad either; after the automatic "remote" installation (which should cover 70%) or Linux apps; the following 4 lines performed as root should cover some 20% more:
tar xfz [program-source code].tar.gz cd [program] ./configure make && make install
Scarier I agree.
But for most of your basic needs you should be OK. Forums such as LinuxQuestions are pretty helpful and friendly towards new-starters (but it pays searching their database before posting stuff).
One major downfall runs only Internet Explorer. So stuff that. Oh yeah and add the proprietory element too.
I've briefly inspected SVG, I do not know whether the funky tricks I achieved with VML at the time (IE 5.5) could be reproduced with SVG.
VML could be scripted and you could assign code to events (onmouseover,onclick) - most likely SVG shares the same events.
I don't code for IE, I code for all browsers / OS's.
But shame that SVG does not even come with any browser (IE,Mozilla,Opera,etc). And downloading/installing is not straightforward either.
The advantage of VML (and am sure with SVG) over Flash is that if you really wanted to go minimal (ie 5K) you still could have an animated intro or game.
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I agree that Suse was a piece of shite. My was Suse Pro 9.0. I think that almost made me switch back to Windows - but just couldn't do that. For a long time I would get nothing but Trolls here each time I mocked the Suse-Lot.
After the purchase of Novell things seemed more promising. First they allowed people to download their OS for free, that was cool. Also they sure interest by phoning people at home seeking a feedback about Novell/Linux - IBM's being doing that - maybe they got my details from some Linux fair or their own website. But definitely a leap change from the idiotic response from support "Sorry we don't cover Sound bugs".
My experience with Windows goes back from DOS days and also experienced Windows 3.1/95/98/ME/XP - never 2000. Unlike you I found the opposite an increasing frustrating experience begging for my money and delivery frustration. I was all pro-Windows - loved my VBA, then VB4-VB6, then APIs and trying to tame MFCs. I mean I still have my Petzold thick books in the toilet. All futile now:(
I think Linux has gone nothing but uphill - unlike Windows. Firstly because you can't generalize - there are distros and there are DISTROS. I've tried 6 before settling for one. And most can be downloaded for free. Another thing I keep find very cool is that the more I use my Linux the better it becomes - faster, more stable. Sure I am tweaking things, learning more - downloading better programs. Windows - well everyone know - the more you use the more it rots (registry to blame).
Now let's see the arguments - Xine unstable; well Suse wouldn't be my choice. Ah man, feels like I am unbiased here but dont think Xine is any more unstable than Windows Media Player - gosh I remember that crashed at any excuse. The codecs now are many, I can play DVDs, I can play Real - and whatever is not covered I can use mplayer which covers most of the rest (apart from DRM). Mplayer is cool because at the console you can type mplayer -loop 77 -fs -fps 12 bimbo.wmv and watch full screen, slow motion some 77 times (I think 0 is used for infinite look not sure).. the russian bimbo dancing. If you read on mplayer (and Xine) you can do incredible stuff - its just that infinite loops and slow motion are already enough for me.
YahooIM I got the Linux/Unix version - yeah real shame it doesn't handle Webcam as Yahoo's WebCam is much better than MSN. If you download Y!Messenger for Linux - you won't get a problem with protocols (everything is there apart from webcam). Is there a hack for this? Sometimes it's surprising what you can find in Google (yeah ok ppl don't want to do their homework - why should they isn't it?)
Open Office - piece of utter shite. Why would you give OO to her anyway? OK perhaps not as annoying or frustrating as any version of Microsoft Word. OO is for PA's; you can always assemble a vast array of much lighter streamlined Office utilities and dump them in your "Office Menu". An apt-get/yum/urpmi/etc will fetch you most things. If you want something slick you can always go for softmaker.de (but it's not free).
There are many Linux distros - for the utterly newbie (Xandros, Lycoris, no forget Linspire), to the hardcore (ArchLinux). It's a huge world out there - with a myriad of programs (most are NOT unstable unlike Windows shareware/freeware/adware) - myriad of Desktop managers - myriad of funky solutions - bah! Only thing it doesnt have is a huge number of games.
I dunno whenever I had XP - maybe thru lack of admin knowledge. I was scared stiff of other ppl using it. My sister got my laptop infected, my desktop was infected when I came back from holidays. And you know for a programmer that need intensive concentration - windows freezing white, keys unresponsive, sluggishness and corrupted files are soul breaking (specially after 3 hours work). But yeah I am a geek granted but I want Linux to evolve as a Desktop also - because I find desktop-switching, multi-terminals and other features great for my own usability/productivity. Moreover Linux is cool toy - a real geeky-kid paradise. My fear is that if Linux Desktop enthusiasm wanes - I and may fans would lose out - but that is near impossible to happen.
Your gf never had a BSOD - well I keep hearing Windows2000 is the most stable of the lot - but my experience of XP proved the contrary. Try it - it is definitely one crap OS.
I can't comment on FreeBSD and Unix. But I would be interested to know why Linux appeal is far greater to the point of having IBM switching their own servers. Linux feels definitely more user-friendly than FreeBSD and Unix maybe due to popularity. I mean we can always extend the argument and start debating about QNX. Linux is OK - I really like it - don't want it to ever die. The nasty backslashes from Microsoft against Linux is what pisses me off.
Best thing is to email IBM and Novell to sponsor that or phone them. I mean the nearest to entertainment IBM go to in sponsoring was some pretty mediocre animations. *cringe*
Yeah but who is complaining?
You don't have to justify your actions to the world - install an XP and pronto.
Or maybe I know why the inner conflict.. see most people feel the ought to "justify" their choices to their peers.
Well fuck the peers - haven't you learnt that yet?
Sure it is nice to have more friends sharing the same OS as you - specially Linux since it's so much more buddy geeky cult-like LUG free dinners.
I chose Linux because every time I logged on Windows - I knew some crap would happen. It's like the OS has a life-time of 18 months before breaking-down. I became from someone very enthusiastic about computers to someone pretty PC-hostile (I've smashed a box once). The beginning of my frustrations can be dated back to angrycoder.com and my waste of time investing in VS certain I was going to get somewhere in life - but got only hassle. Mind you.NET is ironically my greatest skillset
Linux for me - made computing fun again - man this is no blind faith here - I wouldn't stay 12 months with the OS if it was the same or worse than Windows. Also don't think I can reinstall Windows again - my activation has expired the 7-8 reinstalls.
I know and understand it's pointless trying to pursuade the ordinary user in many of the advantages of using Linux from a pure educational point a view (people are mentally lazy why is learning computing, physics, mathematics such a no-no?) - to greater security and in my case work efficiency.
I gave up that initial phase of advocating Linux to everyone. Of course if someone shows some interest I would go way out of my way to help them out, and share what I have learn so far.
I find Linux beautiful wonderful excellent on the desktop - couldn't survive otherwise.
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Shut up
It's my post
And what the heck is "swith"?
You goth a listhp? or juth-a-thypo?
OSNews
.. (way too) strong for me ;)
What a most bizarre feeling.
I feel both flattered and angry - v strange.
Good thing my short novels are not online.
Aww Israeli girls are so very pretty shame their personality is a bit
mistake bollocks
you know standards dont work
come on try it
CSS 2.0 / javascript
and yes i *always* -> validator.w3.org
by confering my sites under those 4 engines (and 3 Operating Systems)
i make extra sure i dont get some weird divs
stuck on a corner - or huge fonts being displayed
Gonna put an apple logo on the contact page. :)
Part of browsers you can use
And since the site sells fanciful overly-decorative products.
It's gonna appeal to the "happy" community a lot - given most of them uses Mac.
Excellent marketting stuff.
I was shocked at first because Konqueror shoudn't change the KTHML engine (but an option for users to change is most welcome
- I doubt most will do - if they use Konqueror is because they prefer KHTML!)
I design my sites to be XHTML 1.1 strict (pedantic me) further they should run on the fab 4
plus operational when no Javascript
Now
My overcompliance can turn counter-productive
Mind u
ah now i read it ..
yeah i prefer khtml over gecko
because it seems to render faster
Making my ecommerce site KHTML compatible
:P
and Konqueror is switching engines
dont flame me with RTFA
cos I havent yet
so you thrive on crack? is it really addictive or ppl are just exagerating? willpower i say only the weak gets hooked gonna give it a try
agreed.
:(
only shit like game companies writing a server-app for linux but not a client is wrong.
if gaming is that of an issue buy a box just for Windows then
Sure I love games but I hate Windows - so will only buy Linux natives if good and available
Now play this am fed up noone is ever at the server
1. Fuck Valve (or any no-Linux client but Linux server whores - boycott)
2. Crossweavers will go to Heaven, Cedega Purgatory, Valve bums to Hell
3. Buy a Linux Game (My UT should arrive today)
4. Checkout and download this most brilliant FREE GAME! (can't believe servers are empty such a brill game)
I mean some of the apps are direly off-putting to use. .. can't remember the link. ...
A combination of client/server side scripting without plugins - could make it more interesting.
It's tempting to write an Excel clone - much like what they've done with Outlook which is entirely web-based.
The SQL Server enterprise manager web-app which seems to have been abandoned - is another example.
Cool are those HTML formatting text-editor - there is one that is truly cross-platform (well *almost*)
I just find Javascript much better and lighter - cleaner
And that combined with serve-side could make it into a web that is quite comfortable/intuitive to use.
How I wished there were more Java apps they are truly cross-OS
I didn't have a file-share program so I've installed a pretty good one in Java - pretty simple.
I needed an MSN Clone so a pretty cute one in Java.
I needed a SQL Server GUI found one in Java.
Mind you - am resorting now to web-based SQL Server apps - much better less hassle.
There are a number of software that runs in Java, ok not all are good - that is up to the programmers.
Datadino is full of bug and $99 when they use open-source code.
But many others are pretty slick and hassle free.
Java apps are truly cross-platform, wished there were more.
Last app I was impressed with but haven't played with it enough is Eclipse - brilliant
People diss Java (maybe because its trendy to do so?),
when so far I don't know of anything as cross-OS compatible and easy to install (as long as you have JDK of course).
Dont remind me I still haven't paid my TV license :(
Last year had an official down here - he let me off the fine provided I wrote a cheque there and then.
110 pounds is too much
It took under 1 week to learn C#
.. why??
But forever to learn Java - and still can't.
Maybe I am not that clever - but I found C# incredibly simple to get into, and amazingly resourceful / piss-easy
I still find it an ugly language though (I like pretty code), but at least I can do nice stuff I just would take forever using another technology. Either learning it or getting help.
Now I don't know if there are other distros apart from YellowDog that runs on a Mac.
Assuming you want to install it on a Mac, otherwise you have more choice.
Installing a standard program should be a breeze - many or most Linux distros - have a way to fetch a program for you and install it automatically (some graphicall other through the console:Most distros or distro-genre have this sort of "remote" installation.
Many even resolve you the headaches such as downloading necessary extra programs to make it work (the so called dependancies)
It's really not that bad.
Problems will start only if you want to get that much more from the system. Installing the latest video driver, or compiling a program from source (perhaps to gain speed, or perhaps because it's a rare program published only as source).
You might get mixed up trying to make things like Eclipse run - but I don't think you'd use it - its a development tool.
NVU is another example, an HTML editor that may be attractive to some but is not readily compiled for all distros.
Compiling is not that bad either; after the automatic "remote" installation (which should cover 70%) or Linux apps;
the following 4 lines performed as root should cover some 20% more:
Scarier I agree.
But for most of your basic needs you should be OK.
Forums such as LinuxQuestions are pretty helpful and friendly towards new-starters (but it pays searching their database before posting stuff).
One major downfall runs only Internet Explorer. So stuff that. Oh yeah and add the proprietory element too.
I've briefly inspected SVG, I do not know whether the funky tricks I achieved with VML at the time (IE 5.5) could be reproduced with SVG.
VML could be scripted and you could assign code to events (onmouseover,onclick) - most likely SVG shares the same events.
I don't code for IE, I code for all browsers / OS's.
But shame that SVG does not even come with any browser (IE,Mozilla,Opera,etc). And downloading/installing is not straightforward either.
The advantage of VML (and am sure with SVG) over Flash is that if you really wanted to go minimal (ie 5K) you still could have an animated intro or game.
Get a life! .. get a bed then!
Ok
Have you seen the ending of the "The Fight Club"? ...
Ah ok its only fiction
Thank you for you letter and concern.
I am sorry to inform you but you got the URL wrong.
Wouldn't it be microsoft.com that you are looking for?
I apologize I don't have in hand their forward address.
However, we from Slashdot, hope that you are successful in contacting Microsoft.
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I agree that Suse was a piece of shite. My was Suse Pro 9.0. I think that almost made me switch back to Windows - but just couldn't do that. For a long time I would get nothing but Trolls here each time I mocked the Suse-Lot.
:(
.. the russian bimbo dancing. If you read on mplayer (and Xine) you can do incredible stuff - its just that infinite loops and slow motion are already enough for me.
After the purchase of Novell things seemed more promising. First they allowed people to download their OS for free, that was cool. Also they sure interest by phoning people at home seeking a feedback about Novell/Linux - IBM's being doing that - maybe they got my details from some Linux fair or their own website. But definitely a leap change from the idiotic response from support "Sorry we don't cover Sound bugs".
My experience with Windows goes back from DOS days and also experienced Windows 3.1/95/98/ME/XP - never 2000. Unlike you I found the opposite an increasing frustrating experience begging for my money and delivery frustration. I was all pro-Windows - loved my VBA, then VB4-VB6, then APIs and trying to tame MFCs. I mean I still have my Petzold thick books in the toilet. All futile now
I think Linux has gone nothing but uphill - unlike Windows. Firstly because you can't generalize - there are distros and there are DISTROS. I've tried 6 before settling for one. And most can be downloaded for free. Another thing I keep find very cool is that the more I use my Linux the better it becomes - faster, more stable. Sure I am tweaking things, learning more - downloading better programs. Windows - well everyone know - the more you use the more it rots (registry to blame).
Now let's see the arguments - Xine unstable; well Suse wouldn't be my choice. Ah man, feels like I am unbiased here but dont think Xine is any more unstable than Windows Media Player - gosh I remember that crashed at any excuse. The codecs now are many, I can play DVDs, I can play Real - and whatever is not covered I can use mplayer which covers most of the rest (apart from DRM). Mplayer is cool because at the console you can type mplayer -loop 77 -fs -fps 12 bimbo.wmv and watch full screen, slow motion some 77 times (I think 0 is used for infinite look not sure)
YahooIM I got the Linux/Unix version - yeah real shame it doesn't handle Webcam as Yahoo's WebCam is much better than MSN. If you download Y!Messenger for Linux - you won't get a problem with protocols (everything is there apart from webcam). Is there a hack for this? Sometimes it's surprising what you can find in Google (yeah ok ppl don't want to do their homework - why should they isn't it?)
Open Office - piece of utter shite. Why would you give OO to her anyway? OK perhaps not as annoying or frustrating as any version of Microsoft Word. OO is for PA's; you can always assemble a vast array of much lighter streamlined Office utilities and dump them in your "Office Menu". An apt-get/yum/urpmi/etc will fetch you most things. If you want something slick you can always go for softmaker.de (but it's not free).
There are many Linux distros - for the utterly newbie (Xandros, Lycoris, no forget Linspire), to the hardcore (ArchLinux). It's a huge world out there - with a myriad of programs (most are NOT unstable unlike Windows shareware/freeware/adware) - myriad of Desktop managers - myriad of funky solutions - bah! Only thing it doesnt have is a huge number of games.
I dunno whenever I had XP - maybe thru lack of admin knowledge. I was scared stiff of other ppl using it. My sister got my laptop infected, my desktop was infected when I came back from holidays. And you know for a programmer that need intensive concentration - windows freezing white, keys unresponsive, sluggishness and corrupted files are soul breaking (specially after 3 hours work). But yeah I am a geek granted but I want Linux to evolve as a Desktop also - because I find desktop-switching, multi-terminals and other features great for my own usability/productivity. Moreover Linux is cool toy - a real geeky-kid paradise. My fear is that if Linux Desktop enthusiasm wanes - I and may fans would lose out - but that is near impossible to happen.
Your gf never had a BSOD - well I keep hearing Windows2000 is the most stable of the lot - but my experience of XP proved the contrary. Try it - it is definitely one crap OS.
I can't comment on FreeBSD and Unix. But I would be interested to know why Linux appeal is far greater to the point of having IBM switching their own servers. Linux feels definitely more user-friendly than FreeBSD and Unix maybe due to popularity. I mean we can always extend the argument and start debating about QNX. Linux is OK - I really like it - don't want it to ever die. The nasty backslashes from Microsoft against Linux is what pisses me off.
Best thing is to email IBM and Novell to sponsor that or phone them. I mean the nearest to entertainment IBM go to in sponsoring was some pretty mediocre animations. *cringe*
Yeah but who is complaining? .. see most people feel the ought to "justify" their choices to their peers.
.NET is ironically my greatest skillset
You don't have to justify your actions to the world - install an XP and pronto.
Or maybe I know why the inner conflict
Well fuck the peers - haven't you learnt that yet?
Sure it is nice to have more friends sharing the same OS as you - specially Linux since it's so much more buddy geeky cult-like LUG free dinners.
I chose Linux because every time I logged on Windows - I knew some crap would happen. It's like the OS has a life-time of 18 months before breaking-down. I became from someone very enthusiastic about computers to someone pretty PC-hostile (I've smashed a box once). The beginning of my frustrations can be dated back to angrycoder.com and my waste of time investing in VS certain I was going to get somewhere in life - but got only hassle. Mind you
Linux for me - made computing fun again - man this is no blind faith here - I wouldn't stay 12 months with the OS if it was the same or worse than Windows. Also don't think I can reinstall Windows again - my activation has expired the 7-8 reinstalls.
I know and understand it's pointless trying to pursuade the ordinary user in many of the advantages of using Linux from a pure educational point a view (people are mentally lazy why is learning computing, physics, mathematics such a no-no?) - to greater security and in my case work efficiency.
I gave up that initial phase of advocating Linux to everyone. Of course if someone shows some interest I would go way out of my way to help them out, and share what I have learn so far.
I find Linux beautiful wonderful excellent on the desktop - couldn't survive otherwise.
Aw k'mon kwit komplainin Gnow Geez
Kan you repeat that aGain?