A nice idea would be to try this out in the US, perhaps at first for a single state or a few states to see how we get on. If it's a success, then other states can join in too. We work to live, not the other way around after all - the goal should be to increase free time.
As I said in an earlier post months ago, tests on such fractions of the US can create a kind of evolution where we can see what works and what doesn't. The fitness function would be the average happiness of the nation, and/or the smallest number of deaths, or some other metric. Similar tests can be done for say, car wing mirrors which 'curve' round (to remove the blind spot), or for different ppms for fluoride/chlorine/ozone in water.
Only by trying out different things at the same time, can we evolve towards what's best in the end. (Lead almost certainly caused increased violence, and the best evidence came about because we could see the effects on different states at the same time).
...Almost like the roar of a thousand pitchforks being summoned out, and then calmly put back. (I admit to being a little annoyed for a second myself).
Reminds me of logging out of a website. Some take blinking minutes to refresh to the new page. I just close the tab when the page starts to change - I'm not interested in seeing the new page at all.
A quote from the forum sums the confusion up pretty well I thought:
Even I’m getting annoyed by this. When I want to split 1 decimal TB drive into two equal partitions in Disk Management, I can’t just assign 500 decimal GB to each. Even more confusingly, Disk Management works not in binary GiB, but in binary MiB. If it worked in decimal MB, then I wouldn’t care if it were TB, or GB, or MB — I can just move decimal points.
Maths goes all screwy when you try to do sums with disparate units. Let's stick to sanity and standardize on KB=1000 bytes, reserving KiB and MiB for the old definition.
I agree with you and just recently I used a power of two to calculate a quicker modulus in C#.
But that's why we have mibibytes and mebibytes. kilo should mean 1000 no matter what you're talking about. Alternatively, you could always just say 2^x rather than replace with an arbitrary word anyway.
Of course I can see the benefit of using powers of 2 for certain things. Heck I would even like us all to switch to base 16 (or 12 failing that) for the general number system. But consistency is more important when it comes to things like this, and kilo has always otherwise meant 1000.
And have you never heard of mibibytes and mebibytes? They serve that purpose now, so computer engineers aren't left out in the lurch.
It's not the news in itself - it's the discussion which comes from it. I'm firmly in the camp that we should swallow our collective (ahem) 'pride', and realize that it's actually a good thing to standardize and be consistent with the rest of the scientific world in saying that yes, 1kB = 1000 bytes.
Failing the switch to a base number 16 system (which I think is an admirable goal for humanity, or maybe base 12), that's how it should stay.
Well count me then as one of those idiot marketers, because if I was in their position, I would have been proud to do the same, not for the money, but because it simple BETTER to be consistent with the rest of the scientific world. We're behind by saying 1KB = 1024 bytes, not them.
I made sure my own calc determines "1kb as bytes" = 1000 bytes, and that's how it should be.
Not all of us like kilo to mean 1024. I don't. However, there's a good argument for getting the world to switch to base 8 or 16 for the basic number system. That would trickier to achieve, but we would all be happier in the end, and everything would be consistent (I do like base 12 however, sigh...).
Exactly. Consistency is more important than tradition in the long run. 1MB = 1 million bytes should become standard. The GP needs to live with that, as it is in fact better. Besides we have mibibytes and mebibytes if you still need the older, broken metrics.
That would probably put in the minority I'm afraid. My point is that the feature can be useful when it doesn't slow down the page due to bad implementation. As an extreme example, would you like the URL or tab bar in the browser to scroll with the page too?
Try http://support.proboards.com/ for instance. It seems quite fast, and the top bar with search bar/page number seems useful.
Good point about the space bar, but that can be fixed quite easily, and as regards to screen real-estate, even in mobile land, the screens are getting bigger.
For a site that's technologically oriented, I'm surprised to see so many frown on JS like this, though I have a feeling it may have something to do (ironically) with the speed of such pages. Download.com for instance is a pig to navigate due to (presumably) its heavy use of JS.
they've got one of those "fixed position" menus at the top of the page that doesn't scroll away, and I absolutely detest webpages that use those
Probably one reason you're not aware of is that pages with it tend to be slower to scroll. I hate that too, but that's a problem with the implementation (download.com take note).
Yes you lose a little space, but then we sacrifice space with the taskbar/launchbar/quicklaunch/tab bar in Windows, and it's a very worthy sacrifice. Get a higher res monitor if it's really a problem.
Wouldn't latency and lag be a nightmare for everyday operations like clicking buttons and entering menus? If not, then what part of the program is in the 'cloud'?
Can't people soundproof the rooms with the baby in? If it's because it needs attention, then you could still sound-proof it, but have a detection system which alerts just one parent (they can take it in turns, so every other night is a good sleep).
Just a quick note to thank you for being part of the solution (not the problem), and encouraging people to hold off until Microsoft get their act together, benefiting us all in the end.
Microsoft has *got* to come out with a "business edition"
I agree with everything else, but sorry, the last thing we want is fragmentation like in Linux land. As bad as Windows is, at least it's somewhat unified.
In the same way good companies can turn bad, bad can turn good. Perhaps because managers and employees keep changing, or maybe it's because they're forced to provide better service due to competition from rivals (I bet Apple et al. would still force DRMed mp3s upon their users if say Amazon MP3 didn't initiate the idea).
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A nice idea would be to try this out in the US, perhaps at first for a single state or a few states to see how we get on. If it's a success, then other states can join in too. We work to live, not the other way around after all - the goal should be to increase free time.
As I said in an earlier post months ago, tests on such fractions of the US can create a kind of evolution where we can see what works and what doesn't. The fitness function would be the average happiness of the nation, and/or the smallest number of deaths, or some other metric. Similar tests can be done for say, car wing mirrors which 'curve' round (to remove the blind spot), or for different ppms for fluoride/chlorine/ozone in water.
Only by trying out different things at the same time, can we evolve towards what's best in the end. (Lead almost certainly caused increased violence, and the best evidence came about because we could see the effects on different states at the same time).
...Almost like the roar of a thousand pitchforks being summoned out, and then calmly put back. (I admit to being a little annoyed for a second myself).
...and my big brother's coming soon.
Handbrake as well would have worked surely?
Reminds me of logging out of a website. Some take blinking minutes to refresh to the new page. I just close the tab when the page starts to change - I'm not interested in seeing the new page at all.
Even I’m getting annoyed by this. When I want to split 1 decimal TB drive into two equal partitions in Disk Management, I can’t just assign 500 decimal GB to each. Even more confusingly, Disk Management works not in binary GiB, but in binary MiB. If it worked in decimal MB, then I wouldn’t care if it were TB, or GB, or MB — I can just move decimal points.
Maths goes all screwy when you try to do sums with disparate units. Let's stick to sanity and standardize on KB=1000 bytes, reserving KiB and MiB for the old definition.
I agree with you and just recently I used a power of two to calculate a quicker modulus in C#.
But that's why we have mibibytes and mebibytes. kilo should mean 1000 no matter what you're talking about. Alternatively, you could always just say 2^x rather than replace with an arbitrary word anyway.
Using the knuckles and tips on each hand (excluding thumb), you can count to 16 (or 32 if you use both hands). Octal could be good too though, sure.
Of course I can see the benefit of using powers of 2 for certain things. Heck I would even like us all to switch to base 16 (or 12 failing that) for the general number system. But consistency is more important when it comes to things like this, and kilo has always otherwise meant 1000.
And have you never heard of mibibytes and mebibytes? They serve that purpose now, so computer engineers aren't left out in the lurch.
It's not the news in itself - it's the discussion which comes from it. I'm firmly in the camp that we should swallow our collective (ahem) 'pride', and realize that it's actually a good thing to standardize and be consistent with the rest of the scientific world in saying that yes, 1kB = 1000 bytes.
Failing the switch to a base number 16 system (which I think is an admirable goal for humanity, or maybe base 12), that's how it should stay.
Well count me then as one of those idiot marketers, because if I was in their position, I would have been proud to do the same, not for the money, but because it simple BETTER to be consistent with the rest of the scientific world. We're behind by saying 1KB = 1024 bytes, not them.
I made sure my own calc determines "1kb as bytes" = 1000 bytes, and that's how it should be.
Not all of us like kilo to mean 1024. I don't. However, there's a good argument for getting the world to switch to base 8 or 16 for the basic number system. That would trickier to achieve, but we would all be happier in the end, and everything would be consistent (I do like base 12 however, sigh...).
Exactly. Consistency is more important than tradition in the long run. 1MB = 1 million bytes should become standard. The GP needs to live with that, as it is in fact better. Besides we have mibibytes and mebibytes if you still need the older, broken metrics.
Does it allow aero for the GUI?
That would probably put in the minority I'm afraid. My point is that the feature can be useful when it doesn't slow down the page due to bad implementation. As an extreme example, would you like the URL or tab bar in the browser to scroll with the page too?
Try http://support.proboards.com/ for instance. It seems quite fast, and the top bar with search bar/page number seems useful.
Good point about the space bar, but that can be fixed quite easily, and as regards to screen real-estate, even in mobile land, the screens are getting bigger.
For a site that's technologically oriented, I'm surprised to see so many frown on JS like this, though I have a feeling it may have something to do (ironically) with the speed of such pages. Download.com for instance is a pig to navigate due to (presumably) its heavy use of JS.
they've got one of those "fixed position" menus at the top of the page that doesn't scroll away, and I absolutely detest webpages that use those
Probably one reason you're not aware of is that pages with it tend to be slower to scroll. I hate that too, but that's a problem with the implementation (download.com take note).
Yes you lose a little space, but then we sacrifice space with the taskbar/launchbar/quicklaunch/tab bar in Windows, and it's a very worthy sacrifice. Get a higher res monitor if it's really a problem.
How about if you try pasting it in?
Wouldn't that slow programs down anyway - constantly checking the input like that? How ugly and inefficient.
Wouldn't latency and lag be a nightmare for everyday operations like clicking buttons and entering menus? If not, then what part of the program is in the 'cloud'?
Can't people soundproof the rooms with the baby in? If it's because it needs attention, then you could still sound-proof it, but have a detection system which alerts just one parent (they can take it in turns, so every other night is a good sleep).
Just a quick note to thank you for being part of the solution (not the problem), and encouraging people to hold off until Microsoft get their act together, benefiting us all in the end.
Microsoft has *got* to come out with a "business edition"
I agree with everything else, but sorry, the last thing we want is fragmentation like in Linux land. As bad as Windows is, at least it's somewhat unified.
Would it be possible to cool CPU chip surfaces by coating them with this glowing material to achieve the same effect?
In the same way good companies can turn bad, bad can turn good. Perhaps because managers and employees keep changing, or maybe it's because they're forced to provide better service due to competition from rivals (I bet Apple et al. would still force DRMed mp3s upon their users if say Amazon MP3 didn't initiate the idea).