well the fact that Adobe apps are not cocoa is significant then...
XPress is already compiled with xCode; universal binary public will be posted in couple of weeks...
light years ahead of Adobe product...
Apple/Moto is a paerfect relationship only in the sense it realistically reflect most of the disfuntctional relationships in any family... they love each other, but will end up killing each other to no end. whether it be planned, subliminal, freudient, or just chance, it will go on forever, and always be questionable...
BTW: I was in AZ when those mot G3 clones came out - and still have the first G3's from moto that were not supposed to be released (at least not before Apple released thier own...) -- that is (one of) the real reason(s) Apple pulled the plug on clones...
as if you opinion here is actually driving the market... this is not about home users either. Major finanacial instituions i consult for are all OS X. period. its a viable busienss platform, and being accepted at a record pace.
"To address the original poster's question of whether these apps will become available on OS-X. I doubt it for two reasons. The first is that the hardware will still be sourced from Apple, therefore there will be an "Apple Hardware Tax" applied. The next issue is that as of today, OS-X is still a minor player in both the server space and the desk-top space. Only if this changes will vendors decide to begin supporting yet another OS (which has a cost to it -it's more than just compiling it to the new environment for a product to come into being!)"
Software developers do not pay a hardware tax for developing for OS X.
Minor player? by what criteria? market share? this is a specious way to look at being a player in niche industry segements. OS X dominates several niche spaces. Its not run of the mill, and there is an exageration of the PC share as with M$'s approach to licensing.
Vendors make the mistake of market share all the time. It now 6% of the US market, and growing at a 30% over the 8% of the pc world... and worlds ahead in its prowess. Just look at AutoDesk's "leaving money on the table" approach - since they won't make their software available to the Mac, they lose 40 million a year (and that is just VectorWorks!)
VectorWorks and TurboCAD are already here - and have been for many years.
After several conversations with the AutoDesk AutoCAD procuct manager, it seems they think the Mac is dead, or dying.
Anyhow, VectorWorks does handle AutoCAD files nicely, as long as you can get the M$ AutoCAD users (wiennies) to use standards-based file formats.
CAD was born on the Mac... and I believe its still better with the available stuff today; AutoCAD is very much a M$ product - too much of everything, and nothing worth using day-to-day
Switch to what? McSofty 3rd rate development! Never! Apple's graceful migrations of the past should sound out to any one who wold think that such a change could lessen the product line. Apple is simply brilliant. You cant fake it or deny it.
Quark's development cycle for XPress is 18 months; now that it uses its own api for connecting to GDI+, Quartz, etc... I imagine its port would not be difficult at all...
This is of course, the new Quark, not the old Quark. Have you contacted them lately - dont spew crap about which you do not know...
"Don't get locked into one online store. "
Its not the Pod that looks you to the store, its the store that locks you to the Pod...
iPod playing anything but the shit WMP format....
RTFM!!!
With IBM recently putting their PC business up-for-sale, and Apple having ultimately plans of doubling their business (since Fred "stated" around when announcing his retirement), why shouldn't we assume a hot-and-heavy relationship between these two companies...
They are compliments to each with regards to a B2B, but I think this relationship could potentially root deeper... they are a perfect match.
I doubt that since i have a PII 233 as well - XP boots - but is unusable... very slow - like running through a tar field.
runnable and usable need to be defined here... XP blows. period. i rarely use any of my PC's anymore 'cause i dont need to.
your english is good but you are misled about carpel tunnel syndrome and RSI...
certain people are just prone to it - no matter WHAT keyboard, fretboard, mouse, pointer, pencil etc.. they use, they would develop it.
truthfully, most get it because they way the approach their mouse or keyboard. they are usually way uptight about grabbing the mouse with way to much force, or pound keys to hard, or sit in bad positions, hold their guitar wrong, etc...
and of course there is that little something called personal preference - just because you dont like doesn't mean its bad design - clearly you are the very small minority here... and that's ok too... you just dont like it - so what - keep it to your self instead of wasting valuable/. time for us!;-)
This is not so insightful as you score permits... I have been hacking Mac's(and PC's) for over 20 years... and the Mac's are more fun to hack at that.
My pride and joy is a G4 Cube mobo in a 1989 color classic case with a 9'' LCD screen running at 1024x768. Custom fan and chasis desgin by yours truly....
I also love playing around with th pismo and sawtooth mobo's as they are totally "modable" and with any insight into electronics and circut design, you may find you enjoy it more in the mac; they are deginded better even at that level!
Both the PC and Mac are the same in this respect: you can modify them and upgrade them to your hearts content if you know how.
To say this is only the way of the PC (mcsofty winJunk) community is a mistake. For the most part PC's are cheaper becuase in the end, those mfg'ers expect you to buy it more often. And lets face it - how many 4 or 5 year PC's out there can actually be said to have value? Why is it that a mint 68030 Color Classic still fetches more $$ than a 1997 PII?
My point is that its not about whether or not you WANT to open your case and be a gear head, or whether you are after high price and better features, etc... Its whether you CAN do such mods and if you know how to use all the tools available. It has nothing to do with which platform you use.
If you chose a PC thinking that was the way, you were misleading yourself.
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have you ever run XP on a 233? its like trying to run through really thick mud... its terrible! and if you a re still using beige macs - they are 7 years old now - you should talk to the politicians that develop the technology policies - its time to re-up folks!
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new york times is actually moving some units back - ID does not cut it. they make sexy software, but in the end it ROI that counts. ID does not handle compplex docs very well, and it doesn not deconstruct documents for XML very well either... expecially when compared to quark.
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this is outright false. i can tell you that based on the past week at the quark summit. even the new york times has started to migrate back to quark; simple because ID does not cut it. first orders were placed two months ago.
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QPS is OS X native as of this month. As with most of the Globe, it is the industry for workflow. Many contenders will try possibly take a little, but never achives what has been done by Quark. It great for a reason... and getting only better. You should have been at their summit this past first week of June. Other dont stand a chance; if you value the ROI on your workflow that is. They have re-invented workflow, again.
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QPS, DMS, and DDS - are all native apps on OS X. Check your arse before you speak, you may infact be going the wrong direction.
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Steve - come on - are you still peaved about this?
well the fact that Adobe apps are not cocoa is significant then... XPress is already compiled with xCode; universal binary public will be posted in couple of weeks... light years ahead of Adobe product...
Apple/Moto is a paerfect relationship only in the sense it realistically reflect most of the disfuntctional relationships in any family... they love each other, but will end up killing each other to no end. whether it be planned, subliminal, freudient, or just chance, it will go on forever, and always be questionable...
BTW: I was in AZ when those mot G3 clones came out - and still have the first G3's from moto that were not supposed to be released (at least not before Apple released thier own...) -- that is (one of) the real reason(s) Apple pulled the plug on clones...
as if you opinion here is actually driving the market... this is not about home users either. Major finanacial instituions i consult for are all OS X. period. its a viable busienss platform, and being accepted at a record pace.
Boeing does not use PC for CAD
no its not specific to AutoCAD - i encourage you try more...
"To address the original poster's question of whether these apps will become available on OS-X. I doubt it for two reasons. The first is that the hardware will still be sourced from Apple, therefore there will be an "Apple Hardware Tax" applied. The next issue is that as of today, OS-X is still a minor player in both the server space and the desk-top space. Only if this changes will vendors decide to begin supporting yet another OS (which has a cost to it -it's more than just compiling it to the new environment for a product to come into being!)"
Software developers do not pay a hardware tax for developing for OS X.
Minor player? by what criteria? market share? this is a specious way to look at being a player in niche industry segements. OS X dominates several niche spaces. Its not run of the mill, and there is an exageration of the PC share as with M$'s approach to licensing.
Vendors make the mistake of market share all the time. It now 6% of the US market, and growing at a 30% over the 8% of the pc world... and worlds ahead in its prowess. Just look at AutoDesk's "leaving money on the table" approach - since they won't make their software available to the Mac, they lose 40 million a year (and that is just VectorWorks!)
VectorWorks and TurboCAD are already here - and have been for many years. After several conversations with the AutoDesk AutoCAD procuct manager, it seems they think the Mac is dead, or dying. Anyhow, VectorWorks does handle AutoCAD files nicely, as long as you can get the M$ AutoCAD users (wiennies) to use standards-based file formats. CAD was born on the Mac... and I believe its still better with the available stuff today; AutoCAD is very much a M$ product - too much of everything, and nothing worth using day-to-day
Switch to what? McSofty 3rd rate development! Never! Apple's graceful migrations of the past should sound out to any one who wold think that such a change could lessen the product line. Apple is simply brilliant. You cant fake it or deny it.
Quark's development cycle for XPress is 18 months; now that it uses its own api for connecting to GDI+, Quartz, etc... I imagine its port would not be difficult at all...
This is of course, the new Quark, not the old Quark. Have you contacted them lately - dont spew crap about which you do not know...
"Don't get locked into one online store. " Its not the Pod that looks you to the store, its the store that locks you to the Pod... iPod playing anything but the shit WMP format.... RTFM!!!
Come on Steve, tells us what's next.... ;-P
With IBM recently putting their PC business up-for-sale, and Apple having ultimately plans of doubling their business (since Fred "stated" around when announcing his retirement), why shouldn't we assume a hot-and-heavy relationship between these two companies... They are compliments to each with regards to a B2B, but I think this relationship could potentially root deeper... they are a perfect match.
I doubt that since i have a PII 233 as well - XP boots - but is unusable... very slow - like running through a tar field. runnable and usable need to be defined here... XP blows. period. i rarely use any of my PC's anymore 'cause i dont need to.
your english is good but you are misled about carpel tunnel syndrome and RSI... certain people are just prone to it - no matter WHAT keyboard, fretboard, mouse, pointer, pencil etc.. they use, they would develop it. truthfully, most get it because they way the approach their mouse or keyboard. they are usually way uptight about grabbing the mouse with way to much force, or pound keys to hard, or sit in bad positions, hold their guitar wrong, etc... and of course there is that little something called personal preference - just because you dont like doesn't mean its bad design - clearly you are the very small minority here... and that's ok too... you just dont like it - so what - keep it to your self instead of wasting valuable /. time for us! ;-)
This is not so insightful as you score permits... I have been hacking Mac's(and PC's) for over 20 years... and the Mac's are more fun to hack at that. My pride and joy is a G4 Cube mobo in a 1989 color classic case with a 9'' LCD screen running at 1024x768. Custom fan and chasis desgin by yours truly.... I also love playing around with th pismo and sawtooth mobo's as they are totally "modable" and with any insight into electronics and circut design, you may find you enjoy it more in the mac; they are deginded better even at that level! Both the PC and Mac are the same in this respect: you can modify them and upgrade them to your hearts content if you know how. To say this is only the way of the PC (mcsofty winJunk) community is a mistake. For the most part PC's are cheaper becuase in the end, those mfg'ers expect you to buy it more often. And lets face it - how many 4 or 5 year PC's out there can actually be said to have value? Why is it that a mint 68030 Color Classic still fetches more $$ than a 1997 PII? My point is that its not about whether or not you WANT to open your case and be a gear head, or whether you are after high price and better features, etc... Its whether you CAN do such mods and if you know how to use all the tools available. It has nothing to do with which platform you use. If you chose a PC thinking that was the way, you were misleading yourself.
How about some 22'' rims?
have you ever run XP on a 233? its like trying to run through really thick mud... its terrible! and if you a re still using beige macs - they are 7 years old now - you should talk to the politicians that develop the technology policies - its time to re-up folks!
new york times is actually moving some units back - ID does not cut it. they make sexy software, but in the end it ROI that counts. ID does not handle compplex docs very well, and it doesn not deconstruct documents for XML very well either... expecially when compared to quark.
this is outright false. i can tell you that based on the past week at the quark summit. even the new york times has started to migrate back to quark; simple because ID does not cut it. first orders were placed two months ago.
QPS is OS X native as of this month. As with most of the Globe, it is the industry for workflow. Many contenders will try possibly take a little, but never achives what has been done by Quark. It great for a reason... and getting only better. You should have been at their summit this past first week of June. Other dont stand a chance; if you value the ROI on your workflow that is. They have re-invented workflow, again.
QPS, DMS, and DDS - are all native apps on OS X. Check your arse before you speak, you may infact be going the wrong direction.