In August of 2005 North Carolina unanimously passed a law to meet the 2002 HAVA requirements. Our law requires a VVPAT and random audits of the paper. Without random audits a paper trail is useless. This law also requires vendors to post a US$ 7.5M bond to cover the costs of any problems. Additionally the law requires the CEO of any vendor to sign off on personal responcibility for any problems. The law carries felony penalties for things like switching the software version. The law requires the vendors to allow the state board of elections to examine their source code.
Three vendors were certified to sell their wares in our state; ES&S, Diebold and Seqouia. Diebold and Sequoia decided to not sell their products in NC. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe someone was scared of doing time in one of our fine correctional facilities.
The rest of the US needs to take a look at the law passed in NC.
Well, the ballots found were found outside the box, i forget where they were found... supposedly up inside some piece of equipment IIRC.
The M-100's ballot box has two compartments, one is for normal operation and one in case of power/battery failure. I also personally observed two precincts that didn't have all the doors closed and locked correctly so voters were "feeding" the ballot between the M-100 and the top of the ballot box. There is not enough space there for 200 ballots.
Frankly I don't know what we'd have to do here if the ballot counts didn't add up. One county here is having a redo due to poll worker error. Unaffliated voters were not informed that they had a choice in which primary (Dem or Rep) to vote. One Rep race was decided by 7 votes, the redo will allow Rep's and unaff's to vote again. ES&S foots the bill out of the bond money they had to post.
Try to get on w/ES&S. The vendor for them in NC is a company named PrintElect. They, PrintElect, pay $300/day + expences. It's a three day gig, not too shabby. I observed several serious access control issues that have been passed along to our SBOE. Hopefully I've helped the integrety of the process and made a nice piece of change. Obviously ES&S is tech support strapped. A half dozen or so freelance tech support people for PrintElect were flown to Arkansas.
You know that would just about have to be a poll worker or election official that placed 200 extra ballots. At least here no one else would have a key to the ballot box. Possible added protection could be two locks keyed differently with the keys in different people's possession. That stunt would be difficult to pull off here because the paper ballots are counted before and after the election. Example most of the precincts in the county I worked in started with two packs of 1000 ballots, shrink-wrapped. At the end of the election leftover ballots, spoils and votes cast have to add up. Ah, someone could put them in the ballot box before it was shipped out. I'll have to check to see if checking the actual ballot box is part of the opening procedures.
Will you be working the polls in November? Same procedure here when changing tapes. Careful though it only prints on one side, ten machines in Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) were reloaded that way. It's my understanding that was caught and corrected fairly quickly.
In regard to procedures for the optical scan systems the voter is the person that feeds the ballot into the scanner. The poll book records of how many voted must mach the vote count on the scanner. Where is the possibility for ballot box stuffing?
What I didn't like about the DRE & VVPT was the 4" wide thermal paper. It requires climate controlled storage. It's successable to smudging during recounts. NC requires "hand to eye" recounts of the vvpt.
I stand or rather sit amazed at how poorly informed many/.'ers are on this crucial issue.
Full Disclosure: I worked providing tech support for the ES&S M-100 in NC's March primary. I have also been active in getting a law passed that required a voter verifiable paper trail in NC. NC's Law
Paperless is absurd. Currently the best electronic solution is paper ballots scanned by an optical scan machine with random audits required. Without the random audits citizens are still trusting the computer (optical scan device) which can be comprimised. Currently only 26 states require a VVPT, of those only 12 require random audits of the paper.
There is a law in the House now that would create a Federal requirement for VVPT. It is HR 550. In North Carolina it took a multi-partisan effort to get a good law passed. The only thing missing from our law is a requirement for open source, although our law does require vendors to supply their source code for review. It also requires a $7.5M bond to cover any problems that may occur as well as felony level offence for violations (like switching source code). No wonder Diebold and Sequoia, though certified, decided they didn't want to do business in NC!
I thought I was dreaming when I first saw this. He is serious.
Did you go through "basic training"?
Your job is to kill, oh airman, your job is to help us army guys kill.
I had a "military intelligence" MOS back in the '80's' our job then was to kill. I was not terribly surprised to learn that my military skills only had one value in the public sector. This sob will follow orders.
Reup or get real.
-mark
I am biased as the primary author of this and I are members of the same lug. He's added scripting support and it's a huge improvement over what is available for Winders.
You must be thinking of Jesse Helms. Strom Thurmond was from South Carolina. We don't miss you in NC, glad you went back to where ever it is you came from. Go Deacs!
There is open source voting software that's at a fairly mature state. See OpenVotingConsortium.
The RFP for the voting systems vendors in NC also requires a $7.5M US bond. The NC SBOE (state board of elections) wisely hired one Keith Long, formerly of Diebold Election Systems, to put together the RFP. Nice...
Well, I'm an "expert" in < insert field name here >. Our firm will do a detailed assesment of the abatement issues involved with this site for $326,525.
Man bulldoze the *hit!
That'll be 2 cents please.
There are two bills before the US Congress that have been buried in committee since their introduction. Both these bills would require the use of open source software on voting machines and an auditable paper trail.
I like you scew on the difference in understanding what "side job" means. To the blue collar worker it's something quick and easy to make a few extra bucks. Most of the white collar replies to this thread seem to conceive of a "side job" as second job. That is not the case with anyone I know that makes their living in the trades.
The reason blue collar workes do "side jobs" is because they don't make enough money on the day job to make a decent living.
Never steal work from the bossman, it just doesn't work out.
Interesting...I'm a carpenter by trade. I've been learning and loving Linux since late '98. Nowadays I occasionally get a side job relating to that avocation. I remember how shocked I was the first time someone voluntarily paid me 50 bucks for installing and configuring SuSE on his laptop. Tomorrow I'm to go setup cups and samba at a former customer's home, that'll be free (beer and chow), but they paid me several thousand dollars for new kitchen cabinets;-)
Yes, It's an improvement. But, it didn't setup GRUB correctly on my laptop, I had to manually add the entries for my w2k partition. Also, first time through I used tasksel>Desktop Environment. This loaded KDE and Gnome both of which worked fine except NO terminal would give me a prompt. Xterm, gnome-terminal, kterm, aterm, wterm, rxvt, etc would open and display a flashing cursor. I was not able to enter any commands from any terminal while running X. Third time around I used expert mode, just installed the base system and then used old faithful apt-get to load what I wanted. Still can't get Xfce4 to show up in the gdm session menu.
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In August of 2005 North Carolina unanimously passed a law to meet the 2002 HAVA requirements. Our law requires a VVPAT and random audits of the paper. Without random audits a paper trail is useless. This law also requires vendors to post a US$ 7.5M bond to cover the costs of any problems. Additionally the law requires the CEO of any vendor to sign off on personal responcibility for any problems. The law carries felony penalties for things like switching the software version. The law requires the vendors to allow the state board of elections to examine their source code.
Three vendors were certified to sell their wares in our state; ES&S, Diebold and Seqouia. Diebold and Sequoia decided to not sell their products in NC. Gee, I wonder why? Maybe someone was scared of doing time in one of our fine correctional facilities.
The rest of the US needs to take a look at the law passed in NC.
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The M-100's ballot box has two compartments, one is for normal operation and one in case of power/battery failure. I also personally observed two precincts that didn't have all the doors closed and locked correctly so voters were "feeding" the ballot between the M-100 and the top of the ballot box. There is not enough space there for 200 ballots.
Frankly I don't know what we'd have to do here if the ballot counts didn't add up. One county here is having a redo due to poll worker error. Unaffliated voters were not informed that they had a choice in which primary (Dem or Rep) to vote. One Rep race was decided by 7 votes, the redo will allow Rep's and unaff's to vote again. ES&S foots the bill out of the bond money they had to post.
Try to get on w/ES&S. The vendor for them in NC is a company named PrintElect. They, PrintElect, pay $300/day + expences. It's a three day gig, not too shabby. I observed several serious access control issues that have been passed along to our SBOE. Hopefully I've helped the integrety of the process and made a nice piece of change. Obviously ES&S is tech support strapped. A half dozen or so freelance tech support people for PrintElect were flown to Arkansas.
You know that would just about have to be a poll worker or election official that placed 200 extra ballots. At least here no one else would have a key to the ballot box. Possible added protection could be two locks keyed differently with the keys in different people's possession. That stunt would be difficult to pull off here because the paper ballots are counted before and after the election. Example most of the precincts in the county I worked in started with two packs of 1000 ballots, shrink-wrapped. At the end of the election leftover ballots, spoils and votes cast have to add up. Ah, someone could put them in the ballot box before it was shipped out. I'll have to check to see if checking the actual ballot box is part of the opening procedures.
Will you be working the polls in November? Same procedure here when changing tapes. Careful though it only prints on one side, ten machines in Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) were reloaded that way. It's my understanding that was caught and corrected fairly quickly.
In regard to procedures for the optical scan systems the voter is the person that feeds the ballot into the scanner. The poll book records of how many voted must mach the vote count on the scanner. Where is the possibility for ballot box stuffing?
What I didn't like about the DRE & VVPT was the 4" wide thermal paper. It requires climate controlled storage. It's successable to smudging during recounts. NC requires "hand to eye" recounts of the vvpt.
I stand or rather sit amazed at how poorly informed many /.'ers are on this crucial issue.
Full Disclosure: I worked providing tech support for the ES&S M-100 in NC's March primary. I have also been active in getting a law passed that required a voter verifiable paper trail in NC. NC's Law
Paperless is absurd. Currently the best electronic solution is paper ballots scanned by an optical scan machine with random audits required. Without the random audits citizens are still trusting the computer (optical scan device) which can be comprimised. Currently only 26 states require a VVPT, of those only 12 require random audits of the paper.
There is a law in the House now that would create a Federal requirement for VVPT. It is HR 550. In North Carolina it took a multi-partisan effort to get a good law passed. The only thing missing from our law is a requirement for open source, although our law does require vendors to supply their source code for review. It also requires a $7.5M bond to cover any problems that may occur as well as felony level offence for violations (like switching source code). No wonder Diebold and Sequoia, though certified, decided they didn't want to do business in NC!
More good reading on this can be found at The Brennan Center for Justice.
-markWhere is far. Yes, the cops went too far.
Where were the parents?
-mark
I thought I was dreaming when I first saw this. He is serious. Did you go through "basic training"? Your job is to kill, oh airman, your job is to help us army guys kill. I had a "military intelligence" MOS back in the '80's' our job then was to kill. I was not terribly surprised to learn that my military skills only had one value in the public sector. This sob will follow orders. Reup or get real. -mark
The best stuff I've found to run X10 devices is http://tanj.com/heyu/heyu2/.
I am biased as the primary author of this and I are members of the same lug. He's added scripting support and it's a huge improvement over what is available for Winders.
The OpenVotingConsortium has produced a system that works remarkably similar to what you suggest.
-defectYou must be thinking of Jesse Helms. Strom Thurmond was from South Carolina. We don't miss you in NC, glad you went back to where ever it is you came from. Go Deacs!
-defectThere is open source voting software that's at a fairly mature state. See OpenVotingConsortium.
The RFP for the voting systems vendors in NC also requires a $7.5M US bond. The NC SBOE (state board of elections) wisely hired one Keith Long, formerly of Diebold Election Systems, to put together the RFP. Nice...
-defectOh this is just absurd enough to make the "news". Haven't we all known this all along? Don't our local and on "up the ladder" governments know this?
Juggling data is fairly easy, that's how these "consulting firms" get paid.
In my town there's a developing need for a study...
Bowen Branch CreekWell, I'm an "expert" in < insert field name here >. Our firm will do a detailed assesment of the abatement issues involved with this site for $326,525. Man bulldoze the *hit! That'll be 2 cents please.
-me
US citizens it is time to _stop whining and take _action. These bills must be passed!
Stop posting on /. and write your representative.
Over two hundred years ago we said no to a king that would not listen to our voices. Today it is not a king. But our voices _must be heard.
Stop posting onAll this bs on the net is just that, bs. Regardless of your party affiliation the fact remains We do not know!
Let us make sure we know the next time.
Remember the Boston Tea Party? Let's have another and toss these machines in the nearest large, deep body of water.
There are two bills before the US Congress that have been buried in committee since their introduction. Both these bills would require the use of open source software on voting machines and an auditable paper trail.
House: House Bill Senate: Senate Bill
I urge all US citizens to write their representatives requesting action on these bills.
In my searches for open source voting software the best I've found comes from The Open Voting Consortium.
It is time to _stop looking back. It is time to take action for positive change in the US system.sign me "Concerned Citizen"
I like you scew on the difference in understanding what "side job" means. To the blue collar worker it's something quick and easy to make a few extra bucks. Most of the white collar replies to this thread seem to conceive of a "side job" as second job. That is not the case with anyone I know that makes their living in the trades.
The reason blue collar workes do "side jobs" is because they don't make enough money on the day job to make a decent living.
Never steal work from the bossman, it just doesn't work out.
-m carpenter who reads too much
Interesting...I'm a carpenter by trade. I've been learning and loving Linux since late '98. Nowadays I occasionally get a side job relating to that avocation. I remember how shocked I was the first time someone voluntarily paid me 50 bucks for installing and configuring SuSE on his laptop. Tomorrow I'm to go setup cups and samba at a former customer's home, that'll be free (beer and chow), but they paid me several thousand dollars for new kitchen cabinets ;-)
Incoming Wakies get think pads. 2008 specs
Now that's cool...
Use the expert mode, there's an option for static IP in that mode.
Yes, It's an improvement. But, it didn't setup GRUB correctly on my laptop, I had to manually add the entries for my w2k partition. Also, first time through I used tasksel>Desktop Environment. This loaded KDE and Gnome both of which worked fine except NO terminal would give me a prompt. Xterm, gnome-terminal, kterm, aterm, wterm, rxvt, etc would open and display a flashing cursor. I was not able to enter any commands from any terminal while running X. Third time around I used expert mode, just installed the base system and then used old faithful apt-get to load what I wanted. Still can't get Xfce4 to show up in the gdm session menu.