to be honest i think i would find watching 5 minutes of blank screen just as annoying as the ads,
here in the UK they used to transmit a little grey square at the corner of the screen when the ads were about to come on and you used to be able to get VHSs that could skip the ads that way but I havent noticed it in the alst few years so i dont know if they still work
meh after the costs of recording, rehearsal studios, beer and transport unless your in a cover band its nigh on impossible to make any meaningful amount of money being a rockstar.
Its fun and an excuse to drink lots of beer though
I dont know, havent you ever had to use one of those spreadsheets that gets emailed round the office to track something or other
I know its a stpid use of a spreadsheet but lots of people do use it like that
The problem is that you are then limiting yourself to a handful of hobbyist created plugins rather than thousands of professionally made plugins. And incidently as well as the high quality (and often high priced) commercial plugins you also have thousands of free hobbyist VST plugins, certainly a lot more than exists for Jack.
In a modern studio the sequencer application is really just a shell for modular studio components implemeted as VST plugins. Its the plugins themselves that operate on the sound for the most part.
Compare for instance the list of applications at Jack's homepage with the plugins at kvraudio. Further I dont see any way of just dropping a specific jack app into a host sequencer they all seem to be satndalone software. Further browsing a random sample reveals software which to my eyes looks ugly, hard to use, overly complicated and I suspect sounds awful.
He's using audition / cool edit so he's clearly on windows. If you REALLY must use a non windows OS then MAC performs a lot better than linux. The virtual non-existance of VST support in linux makes it essentially impossible to use for serious audio work.
Besides you really dont want to be working with a hundred different programs connected via the terminal when your trying to be creative. What you need is a fast efficient workflow that is intuitive and easy to use. Something that in every field is historically a linux weakpoint
I suppose you also beleive the tripe that ran on the internet a few years ago that behringer gear is radiactive. In reality Ive played in around 20 venues that have used behringer gear and bother the studios ive recorded in had at least 1 piece of behringer kit.
While your not going to get the same sound from some boutique all valve preamp the difference between something like the focusrite octopre channel strip and the behringer is minimal. In the end unless you have spent thousands on your microphones they are likely to be the weakest point in the signal chain.
First remember that if your mic'ing your going to need a preamp for every microphone you want to use otherwise it will sound like shit. The good news is that its quite easy to take a flexible inexpensive route there.
Firstly you need an ADAT compatible audio interface, you can either go PCI or usb/firewire. I opted for USB since i want to use the system with my laptop. A Behringer BCA2000 has 2 mic preamps and a hi-z input of its own and critically has an ADAT port. Price for this is about £130 in the UK.
Now the ADAT allows you to add an 8 channel preamp to get a total of 10 mic preamps and hi-Z instrument input. The Behringer Ultragain ADA8000 retails for £175 in the UK making the total solution around £300 hardwarewise.
I would then look at changing out Audition for a sequencer, fruity loops is a good budget choice with cubase being what i use for preference. Add to this some decent plugins like waves and you have a setup that is on par with most commercial studios (well comparable to the 2 i've recorded in anyway and assuming your mics are good)
Also as a bonus the behringer BCA2000 has sliders which you can assign to the mixer in your sequencer giving you a much more tactile mixing experience. Ive ordered mine but sadly they are out of stock until june!!!
With the setup of my band here a run down of how id use the inputs
stuff like the settings of my distortion pedal for my guitar and the like.
Thats a great idea,when im gigging and other bands are using my amp or im using a house amp or whatever i always scribble the setting down as little lines which are then fiddly to interpret in the dark, but this would work excellently. Just need to remember to turn it off again before cranking the volume:)
The other guitarist in my band uses one of those. Its an amazingly versatile pedal and he can get some really weird synth sounds and stuff out of it. But I wouldnt trade my collection of stompboxes (although it does mean i have to do some pretty mental foot gymnastics sometimes)
Plus you cant leave tuning software lying around somewhere.
Im thinking of investing in a rackmount tuner just because Ive lost about £80 in tuners
over the last few years leaving them in the practice studio or at gigs.
Im damn sure I wouldnt be able to lose a rackmount:)
Ive tried the guitarport out briefly but I think amplitube is the best amp modelling software out there. You'll need to buy some kind of preamp or DI box to get it to sound its sweetest but its leagues ahead of line6 and guitar rig.
I disagree with the sound quality of digital fx pedals.
They are cheap and incredibly versatile but dont sound anything like an actual amp. I often use the same setup as you and its pretty good for laying down demo tracks and stuff but you just can't beat having a real amp, the guitar becomes so much more responsive and that not even touching on the warmth of a tube amp.
Recently Ive ditched all my digital gear completely and now record using a sansamp preamp using VST for f/x and it gets me a much more "live" feel to playing. What I'd really like is a 2nd sansamp so I could take the stereo outs of all my analogue pedals and preamp into individual inputs. Either that or neighbours that are understanding enough for me to push my half stack up to its sweet spot so I can mic it.
Some people say they are going to exact some kind of physical vengance as an outlet but never actually do it. I suspect counselling would be a waste of their money since all they're really doing is verbally letting off steam. And in this case from the relative anonymity of the internet.
Honestly who here hasnt said "Im gonna (kill you / kick your ass / whatever)" when theyre angry?
I agree, and during uni i was happily using windows to actually get work done so I could spend at least 85% of my life getting drunk while the hard core linux zealots spent days on end in the computer labs fiddling and tinkering but ultimately not really eacheiving anything.
Thing with linux is it really does inflate peoples sense of self superiority because it makes you jump through hoops to do the simplest tasks.
Sure I use linux for servers a lot but I do all my actual work on a windows machine.
I read all the trackbacks and comments linked and basically it reads like a polite version of a forum flamewar. You can actually almost see that behind their carefully creafted words they really at heart want to write something like "OMG ur teh gay!".
If this is what 2 "blogging poster boys" and the CTO of one of the most high profile online retailers do with their blogs then I think Amazon and anyone else would do well to stay as far clear of them as they can.
In the other hand on a console if you hit a bug your completely screwed. I played morrowind on the xbox and a flaw in one of the quests resulted in a death sentence incurred for completeing one of the quests not being lifted on completion. The result meant that i couldn't safely enter about a third of the cities in the game making it pretty much a waste of time.
This was a known bug in the PC version which was patched and could be addressed in a non-patched copy using the command console but unfortunately those with the xbox version were left screwed.
Pro tools is a sequencer, cool edit / audition is an audio editor. They do completely different things (although Pro tools does have audio editing facilities built in).
One big difference is that audition (cool edit in its latest form) is almost exclusively for destructive off-line processing whereas pro-tools and other sequencers are primarily for non-destructive online procesing.
Further there are much more "scientific" and much higher quality tools available for pro tools than there is in cool edit or audition. The parametric eq in audition for example is a complete mess. The UI is horrendous!
Linux will never see a large market share for these kind of specialist tools, in the case of audio part of this is due to poor audio interface support under linux (are there any good multi in/out cards that will work under linux?) and partly because applications which are used by industry specialists (photoshop, pro-tools, adobe premiere etc) are hugely expensive to develop and require enormous amounts of manpower. The original article missed the key difference about these pieces of software and thaqt is that they are extrememly focused on the workflow that professionals use. Until OSS has the funds or manpower to support really analysing how software is going to be used as well as the technical magic done in the processing engine then i dont expect there to be any major changes.
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to be honest i think i would find watching 5 minutes of blank screen just as annoying as the ads, here in the UK they used to transmit a little grey square at the corner of the screen when the ads were about to come on and you used to be able to get VHSs that could skip the ads that way but I havent noticed it in the alst few years so i dont know if they still work
It cant plug your microphone in though, or turn on a hardware switch on the microphone itself
meh after the costs of recording, rehearsal studios, beer and transport unless your in a cover band its nigh on impossible to make any meaningful amount of money being a rockstar. Its fun and an excuse to drink lots of beer though
I dont know, havent you ever had to use one of those spreadsheets that gets emailed round the office to track something or other I know its a stpid use of a spreadsheet but lots of people do use it like that
Our bodies are not proof that you can build a cable that can stretch into space, no matter how great the bodys' self repairing mechanisms are.
A cable of any tissue in our bodies would not be even remotely strong enough
The problem is that you are then limiting yourself to a handful of hobbyist created plugins rather than thousands of professionally made plugins. And incidently as well as the high quality (and often high priced) commercial plugins you also have thousands of free hobbyist VST plugins, certainly a lot more than exists for Jack.
In a modern studio the sequencer application is really just a shell for modular studio components implemeted as VST plugins. Its the plugins themselves that operate on the sound for the most part.
Compare for instance the list of applications at Jack's homepage with the plugins at kvraudio. Further I dont see any way of just dropping a specific jack app into a host sequencer they all seem to be satndalone software. Further browsing a random sample reveals software which to my eyes looks ugly, hard to use, overly complicated and I suspect sounds awful.
gain down on the preamp, change mic placement are both preferable solutions
And if you really must compress on input it should be the bare minimum, there'll still be the need to compress further in the mix.
He's using audition / cool edit so he's clearly on windows. If you REALLY must use a non windows OS then MAC performs a lot better than linux. The virtual non-existance of VST support in linux makes it essentially impossible to use for serious audio work.
Besides you really dont want to be working with a hundred different programs connected via the terminal when your trying to be creative. What you need is a fast efficient workflow that is intuitive and easy to use. Something that in every field is historically a linux weakpoint
Bit of further research, the mackie is over 5 times the price of the behringer unit.
I suppose you also beleive the tripe that ran on the internet a few years ago that behringer gear is radiactive. In reality Ive played in around 20 venues that have used behringer gear and bother the studios ive recorded in had at least 1 piece of behringer kit.
While your not going to get the same sound from some boutique all valve preamp the difference between something like the focusrite octopre channel strip and the behringer is minimal. In the end unless you have spent thousands on your microphones they are likely to be the weakest point in the signal chain.
No no no! Compress in software where it isnt destructive!!! this isnt the 80s!
I looked into this exact problem recently.
First remember that if your mic'ing your going to need a preamp for every microphone you want to use otherwise it will sound like shit. The good news is that its quite easy to take a flexible inexpensive route there.
Firstly you need an ADAT compatible audio interface, you can either go PCI or usb/firewire. I opted for USB since i want to use the system with my laptop. A Behringer BCA2000 has 2 mic preamps and a hi-z input of its own and critically has an ADAT port. Price for this is about £130 in the UK.
Now the ADAT allows you to add an 8 channel preamp to get a total of 10 mic preamps and hi-Z instrument input. The Behringer Ultragain ADA8000 retails for £175 in the UK making the total solution around £300 hardwarewise.
I would then look at changing out Audition for a sequencer, fruity loops is a good budget choice with cubase being what i use for preference. Add to this some decent plugins like waves and you have a setup that is on par with most commercial studios (well comparable to the 2 i've recorded in anyway and assuming your mics are good)
Also as a bonus the behringer BCA2000 has sliders which you can assign to the mixer in your sequencer giving you a much more tactile mixing experience. Ive ordered mine but sadly they are out of stock until june!!!
With the setup of my band here a run down of how id use the inputs
Preamped inputs
1. Drums overhead 1
2. Drums overhead 2
3. Bass drum
4. Snare
5. Tom1
6. Tom2
7. Tom3
8. Tom4
9. Guitar1
10. Guitar2
Hi-z input
DI output from bass amp
Id then record the vocals separately. In a modern context you really cant beat close mic'ing the toms.
stuff like the settings of my distortion pedal for my guitar and the like.
:)
Thats a great idea,when im gigging and other bands are using my amp or im using a house amp or whatever i always scribble the setting down as little lines which are then fiddly to interpret in the dark, but this would work excellently. Just need to remember to turn it off again before cranking the volume
Nice tip!
The other guitarist in my band uses one of those. Its an amazingly versatile pedal and he can get some really weird synth sounds and stuff out of it. But I wouldnt trade my collection of stompboxes (although it does mean i have to do some pretty mental foot gymnastics sometimes)
Plus you cant leave tuning software lying around somewhere. Im thinking of investing in a rackmount tuner just because Ive lost about £80 in tuners over the last few years leaving them in the practice studio or at gigs. :)
Im damn sure I wouldnt be able to lose a rackmount
Ive tried the guitarport out briefly but I think amplitube is the best amp modelling software out there. You'll need to buy some kind of preamp or DI box to get it to sound its sweetest but its leagues ahead of line6 and guitar rig.
I disagree with the sound quality of digital fx pedals.
They are cheap and incredibly versatile but dont sound anything like an actual amp. I often use the same setup as you and its pretty good for laying down demo tracks and stuff but you just can't beat having a real amp, the guitar becomes so much more responsive and that not even touching on the warmth of a tube amp.
Recently Ive ditched all my digital gear completely and now record using a sansamp preamp using VST for f/x and it gets me a much more "live" feel to playing. What I'd really like is a 2nd sansamp so I could take the stereo outs of all my analogue pedals and preamp into individual inputs. Either that or neighbours that are understanding enough for me to push my half stack up to its sweet spot so I can mic it.
Some people say they are going to exact some kind of physical vengance as an outlet but never actually do it. I suspect counselling would be a waste of their money since all they're really doing is verbally letting off steam. And in this case from the relative anonymity of the internet.
Honestly who here hasnt said "Im gonna (kill you / kick your ass / whatever)" when theyre angry?
Yeah, it was kinda like a train crash.
I agree, and during uni i was happily using windows to actually get work done so I could spend at least 85% of my life getting drunk while the hard core linux zealots spent days on end in the computer labs fiddling and tinkering but ultimately not really eacheiving anything.
Thing with linux is it really does inflate peoples sense of self superiority because it makes you jump through hoops to do the simplest tasks.
Sure I use linux for servers a lot but I do all my actual work on a windows machine.
I read all the trackbacks and comments linked and basically it reads like a polite version of a forum flamewar. You can actually almost see that behind their carefully creafted words they really at heart want to write something like "OMG ur teh gay!". If this is what 2 "blogging poster boys" and the CTO of one of the most high profile online retailers do with their blogs then I think Amazon and anyone else would do well to stay as far clear of them as they can.
I always thought that the biggest difference was that in Eastern RPGS all the stat numbers have 5 zeroes after them.
I wonder if it has anything to do with the relative worth of the Yen compared to western currencies.
In the other hand on a console if you hit a bug your completely screwed. I played morrowind on the xbox and a flaw in one of the quests resulted in a death sentence incurred for completeing one of the quests not being lifted on completion. The result meant that i couldn't safely enter about a third of the cities in the game making it pretty much a waste of time.
This was a known bug in the PC version which was patched and could be addressed in a non-patched copy using the command console but unfortunately those with the xbox version were left screwed.
this is exactly the problem, linux users insist that the product are already good enough the show stopper in this case is no VST
Pro tools is a sequencer, cool edit / audition is an audio editor. They do completely different things (although Pro tools does have audio editing facilities built in).
One big difference is that audition (cool edit in its latest form) is almost exclusively for destructive off-line processing whereas pro-tools and other sequencers are primarily for non-destructive online procesing.
Further there are much more "scientific" and much higher quality tools available for pro tools than there is in cool edit or audition. The parametric eq in audition for example is a complete mess. The UI is horrendous!
Linux will never see a large market share for these kind of specialist tools, in the case of audio part of this is due to poor audio interface support under linux (are there any good multi in/out cards that will work under linux?) and partly because applications which are used by industry specialists (photoshop, pro-tools, adobe premiere etc) are hugely expensive to develop and require enormous amounts of manpower. The original article missed the key difference about these pieces of software and thaqt is that they are extrememly focused on the workflow that professionals use. Until OSS has the funds or manpower to support really analysing how software is going to be used as well as the technical magic done in the processing engine then i dont expect there to be any major changes.