what oo.org version ? if it is not the latest, try upgrading. if that does not help, wait a little bit - there should be 2.0.3 out soon, try that. if it still does not help, submit a bugreport, please:)
hmm. a nice tip, really nice. thanks. it would be also nice to have an option for 'intelligent enter behaviour', but this should make a transition less painful for some people - if they find out about it:)
oo.org calc can interface a LOT of databases. you can try setting up a quick mysql installation, feed your csv data in it and provide "marketing people" with some starting instructions
Bullet points can get really messed up when importing from Word
i'd like to note that this is mostly because of msword doc format, than problems with bullets as such. and it really is constantly imrpoved, try the latest version if you are not using one already:) problems arise when the document is structured differently AGAIN - even having the same msword version on two computers can result in different file contents.
oh, and calling indentation screwy just because you don't like the default setting isn't fair;)
Example: right-click behaviour. In most applications, when you right-click, a context menu comes up for whatever you've got selected at the moment. In Word, though, right-clicking moves the selection before bringing up a context menu. Therefore, OOo 2.x got changed to behave like that too.
whatwhatWHAT ? can you cite anything on this ? there have been some regressions in the name of "let's do it like word !", some have been prevented or some nice solution has been found - but this one just drives me nuts, it is awful and i could never imagine anybody could do that on purpose.
i'm glad you did rtfm:) if you ever feel like doing that again, check out information on page styles (that "first page" thing is a page style) and on styles in general. that is a HUGE difference if you have never ever used them before - and i'm told word does not have page styles at all... no wonder you can often see awfully messed up msword documents in regard to page formatting;)
check out some info (getting started & woriking with styles) here :
well, it started with one interesting and easily misunderstood press release from novell. then there are "ximian monkeys", who are gnome zealots to the point where they ride the web and add anonymous posts, announcing that kde is dead:)
personally i know a whole bunch of kde suse users, but i don't know a single suse-gnome user. though i've seen some lurking on irc, but they are not so awfully full of zealotry, so it is ok;)
i just hope that ximian heritage doesn't ruin a good distro. if kde will be neglected in suse, i'll be looking for alternatives the next day.
It was very, very slow, (ironically, even Andrew Morton complained about this). This meant that desirable new features would be backported to the stable branch anyway, either in mainstream or vendor kernels (with all new bugs), which kind of defeated the object.
well, i think that was referring to 2.4 being the latest stable for a looong time. overall i enjoy 2.4 for some simple production servers where a custom kernel is needed - it's life cycle is quite long.
it seems to me that branching 2.7, but trying to reach next stable faster could be used as a middle ground - this way we get a stable version and a development version that isn't development version for several years.
hopefully new rapid development scheme will pay back with nice features. maybe a "breather" release should be made each 5 or ten releases apart ?:)
Like plotting experimental data with different error (uncertainity) value for each measurement. In OOo it's possible to do just the basics - i.e. same error (+/- value or percentage) for each measurement.
is that something odf h81.198.47.156as no support for or is that just a limitation of oo.org ?
Face it, any kid with access to the Internet will find a way to view naked women, if he/she so desires.
face it, any kid with access to real world will find a way to view naked women, if he/she so desires. some even don't stop at looking !! *horror* place your bets, ladies & gentlemen - which year will usa have separate ghettos for the two sexes and only artifical reproduction ?
americans are ashamed to sho a human body, but quite eager to show ripping a lot of bodies apart.
oh well, most of them probably have to be ashamed of their bodies - from overall weigth problems to obsessive body modifications including but not limited to over-the-top plastic surgery and teeth remaking;)
a lot of distributions do not include mplayer in their completely-free versions. the reason ive heard of is containing of patented stuff if mplayer core that can not be easily modularised.
now, im not sure anybody qualified to give information will see this, but it would still be nice if some information could be given regarding this problem. having mplayer included (probably as default media player) in more linux distribution could help it's usage enormously.
oh, another thing... last release has happened in quite some time. what happened to 'release early, release _often_' ? no, cvs does not count. having more regular releases would help in getting the latest code to users both for creating positive impression and gaining wider testing audience.
yeah, in case it was not obvious - im using mplayer;) thanks for the great job.
geez. try citing (and reading) it a little further, will you ? cars are not supposed to lose a wheel when driving. they are not supposed to develop cracks in a windshield without a visible reason. shit happens, and _when_ it happens, it must be resolved.
currently you are arguing that a perfect and never failing system must be created, not that failures which usually happen because of human error (be it user or some administrator) should be analysed & eliminated.
current system does not lose mail just like that. why don't you pursue each case when a mail is lost, find a reason, push to get it solved if that is a technical problem - and THEN come up with a list of global problems you can find ? i'm sure you will come up with one and that will be human errors or incompetence on system administrators' part.
oh, gawd. the moderation has gotten you right this time. take a hammer and "print" this on your wall : "Misspelled mail addresses and ignoring the error notification and so on."
re-read it every day. once you can grasp it, try to come up with a list of problems you see in current technical implementation and NOT come up with some problems you have experienced and "don't care why they happened".
well, maybe the problem is that you are not listening or trying to understand ?
let's try this again...
current email system technically provides everything you wanted (though maybe not in the exact ui style you requested).
legitimate email is not supposed to vanish without a trace. if it does, bug somebody who could help you to find the cause and eliminate it. if all you do is whine on slashdot that the system itself is broken (which isn't), don't wonder that people will be telling you how it really is.
what oss has to do this at all ? silent loss of a legitimate email is a technical problem. solve it, or find somebody who is responsible for your email system. it can be opensource or proprietary, that doesn't matter much as communication protocols are open.
if you have a problem with your car, you probably find somebody who knows how to fic it or fix it yourself. you don't go around crying that cars are bad. losing emails is not supposed to happen in current email system, so i don't see the point in blaming it as broken in this context.
hmm. what exactly are excuses ? as i saw, ratboy stated that this can not be guaranteed unless all participants comply with common rules or all links are controlled by a single entity.
if all links in an email-processing chain (your mail client -> your computer -> your server -> some other mailserver -> other computer -> other mail client) are working as they should, the message simply will be delivered.
now, wether it will be read... no, read notifications is not a good idea.
generally mail system is supposed to notificate you whenever there is a problem delivering the message - wether it would be unaccessible recipient server, incorrect recipient address, unaccepted content or whatever.
it will usually do this by sending you an email message stating that the message was not delivered and telling you why. in some cases you might get notified immediately, if your server can find a problem while your mail client is talking to it.
once the message has left your mailserver, it's completely the responsibility of other server[s] to inform you as a sender about any problems that result in inability to deliver the message to the final recipient.
phone conversation isn't exactly a good analogy as it's a two-way interactive communication. unless you propose one mail client talking to another, there always will be intermediate servers that will pass the mail, check it for viruses etc.
if you ever get unreliable mail delivery (meaning mail is getting simply lost), that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. really. contact your administrator, together with him try to find the cause for it. once it is found (you might have to contact destination/sending party), push for it to be resolved.
now, the only case i can think of missing mail (that is not because of some massive network or infrastructure outages that you should be noticing anyway) is spam filters. yes, spam filters that discard messages can cause this, but anyway are controlled by one of the sending/receiving party, thus finding which has snapped the mail and preventing that from happening should be done as soon as possible. and the message itself still must be possible to retrieve from the spamfilter if, for example, it's your organisation's infrastructure that has classified the message incorrectly.
other approach is flagging all the mail and letting it to fall in a separate mailfolder at user's client. that is easy to do with current tools and probably is the best thing to do at your organisation if losing email can be critical and users are sophisticated enough to find the occasional filtered away message (and they have the possibility to set individual thresholds so that one would have more manual spam-hunting to do, other would cope with a mail getting classified incorrectly now and then).
GPL License: You can do basically anything, but you must make your modifications available....if you distribute them. which can be pretty important for companies who see a value in keeping the changes in-house.
woot. and indeed i hope they succeed. i am thinking about getting a bunch of lego products (i didn't have them when i was a child;) ), and was very intrigued by robotic branch - but as a linux user (and with basically no coding skills) i was turned away by the windows-only software.
hopefully open stuff (if concerns raised above regarding license are resolved) will result in nice apps for linux platform, too.
and if it all goes well in that direction, i know i'll be getting heavy beating if somebody discovers the price of these things;)
bingo. as you said, they _will_ be leaked. why not ? it should be pretty hard to fingerprint each installation. every pirate is getting a corporate version. everybody i know who has windows running at home has it installed from a cd with serial number written on top of it. those are corporate versions that kids are running around installing to the right & left.
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ahh, the joys of closed file formats...
:)
what oo.org version ?
if it is not the latest, try upgrading.
if that does not help, wait a little bit - there should be 2.0.3 out soon, try that.
if it still does not help, submit a bugreport, please
hmm. a nice tip, really nice. thanks. :)
it would be also nice to have an option for 'intelligent enter behaviour', but this should make a transition less painful for some people - if they find out about it
wow. that's strange, given that sun really tries to make it work nice on solaris.
have you reported the issue ?
oo.org calc can interface a LOT of databases.
you can try setting up a quick mysql installation, feed your csv data in it and provide "marketing people" with some starting instructions
Bullet points can get really messed up when importing from Word
:)
;)
i'd like to note that this is mostly because of msword doc format, than problems with bullets as such. and it really is constantly imrpoved, try the latest version if you are not using one already
problems arise when the document is structured differently AGAIN - even having the same msword version on two computers can result in different file contents.
oh, and calling indentation screwy just because you don't like the default setting isn't fair
Example: right-click behaviour. In most applications, when you right-click, a context menu comes up for whatever you've got selected at the moment. In Word, though, right-clicking moves the selection before bringing up a context menu. Therefore, OOo 2.x got changed to behave like that too.
whatwhatWHAT ?
can you cite anything on this ?
there have been some regressions in the name of "let's do it like word !", some have been prevented or some nice solution has been found - but this one just drives me nuts, it is awful and i could never imagine anybody could do that on purpose.
i'm glad you did rtfm :) ;)
r /published_final/
:)
if you ever feel like doing that again, check out information on page styles (that "first page" thing is a page style) and on styles in general. that is a HUGE difference if you have never ever used them before - and i'm told word does not have page styles at all... no wonder you can often see awfully messed up msword documents in regard to page formatting
check out some info (getting started & woriking with styles) here :
http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/write
also dig around other documens there and remember that other components use styles, too
...which leads us to intel-chip-based-mac=intercontinental-ballistic-mi ssle
hah. their evil plan to grab the world unfolds !
well, it started with one interesting and easily misunderstood press release from novell. :)
;)
then there are "ximian monkeys", who are gnome zealots to the point where they ride the web and add anonymous posts, announcing that kde is dead
personally i know a whole bunch of kde suse users, but i don't know a single suse-gnome user. though i've seen some lurking on irc, but they are not so awfully full of zealotry, so it is ok
i just hope that ximian heritage doesn't ruin a good distro. if kde will be neglected in suse, i'll be looking for alternatives the next day.
However, disibility add-ins support Microsoft Word MUCH better than [they support] OpenOffice.
there, fixed.
hmm. haven't read about it anything. any links ?
It was very, very slow, (ironically, even Andrew Morton complained about this). This meant that desirable new features would be backported to the stable branch anyway, either in mainstream or vendor kernels (with all new bugs), which kind of defeated the object.
:)
well, i think that was referring to 2.4 being the latest stable for a looong time.
overall i enjoy 2.4 for some simple production servers where a custom kernel is needed - it's life cycle is quite long.
it seems to me that branching 2.7, but trying to reach next stable faster could be used as a middle ground - this way we get a stable version and a development version that isn't development version for several years.
hopefully new rapid development scheme will pay back with nice features. maybe a "breather" release should be made each 5 or ten releases apart ?
Like plotting experimental data with different error (uncertainity) value for each measurement. In OOo it's possible to do just the basics - i.e. same error (+/- value or percentage) for each measurement.
is that something odf h81.198.47.156as no support for or is that just a limitation of oo.org ?
i'm surprised the poster didn't try out something that's sometimes called "the best audio manager ever".
check out latest 1.4 branch builds, they are awesome.
Face it, any kid with access to the Internet will find a way to view naked women, if he/she so desires.
face it, any kid with access to real world will find a way to view naked women, if he/she so desires. some even don't stop at looking !! *horror*
place your bets, ladies & gentlemen - which year will usa have separate ghettos for the two sexes and only artifical reproduction ?
americans are ashamed to sho a human body, but quite eager to show ripping a lot of bodies apart.
;)
oh well, most of them probably have to be ashamed of their bodies - from overall weigth problems to obsessive body modifications including but not limited to over-the-top plastic surgery and teeth remaking
a lot of distributions do not include mplayer in their completely-free versions.
;)
the reason ive heard of is containing of patented stuff if mplayer core that can not be easily modularised.
now, im not sure anybody qualified to give information will see this, but it would still be nice if some information could be given regarding this problem.
having mplayer included (probably as default media player) in more linux distribution could help it's usage enormously.
oh, another thing... last release has happened in quite some time. what happened to 'release early, release _often_' ?
no, cvs does not count. having more regular releases would help in getting the latest code to users both for creating positive impression and gaining wider testing audience.
yeah, in case it was not obvious - im using mplayer
thanks for the great job.
geez. try citing (and reading) it a little further, will you ?
cars are not supposed to lose a wheel when driving. they are not supposed to develop cracks in a windshield without a visible reason. shit happens, and _when_ it happens, it must be resolved.
currently you are arguing that a perfect and never failing system must be created, not that failures which usually happen because of human error (be it user or some administrator) should be analysed & eliminated.
current system does not lose mail just like that. why don't you pursue each case when a mail is lost, find a reason, push to get it solved if that is a technical problem - and THEN come up with a list of global problems you can find ? i'm sure you will come up with one and that will be human errors or incompetence on system administrators' part.
oh, gawd. the moderation has gotten you right this time.
;)
take a hammer and "print" this on your wall :
"Misspelled mail addresses and ignoring the error notification and so on."
re-read it every day. once you can grasp it, try to come up with a list of problems you see in current technical implementation and NOT come up with some problems you have experienced and "don't care why they happened".
i've got to go now so, please, stop this, ok ?
well, maybe the problem is that you are not listening or trying to understand ?
let's try this again...
current email system technically provides everything you wanted (though maybe not in the exact ui style you requested).
legitimate email is not supposed to vanish without a trace. if it does, bug somebody who could help you to find the cause and eliminate it. if all you do is whine on slashdot that the system itself is broken (which isn't), don't wonder that people will be telling you how it really is.
what oss has to do this at all ?
silent loss of a legitimate email is a technical problem. solve it, or find somebody who is responsible for your email system. it can be opensource or proprietary, that doesn't matter much as communication protocols are open.
if you have a problem with your car, you probably find somebody who knows how to fic it or fix it yourself. you don't go around crying that cars are bad.
losing emails is not supposed to happen in current email system, so i don't see the point in blaming it as broken in this context.
hmm. what exactly are excuses ?
as i saw, ratboy stated that this can not be guaranteed unless all participants comply with common rules or all links are controlled by a single entity.
if all links in an email-processing chain (your mail client -> your computer -> your server -> some other mailserver -> other computer -> other mail client) are working as they should, the message simply will be delivered.
now, wether it will be read... no, read notifications is not a good idea.
generally mail system is supposed to notificate you whenever there is a problem delivering the message - wether it would be unaccessible recipient server, incorrect recipient address, unaccepted content or whatever.
it will usually do this by sending you an email message stating that the message was not delivered and telling you why. in some cases you might get notified immediately, if your server can find a problem while your mail client is talking to it.
once the message has left your mailserver, it's completely the responsibility of other server[s] to inform you as a sender about any problems that result in inability to deliver the message to the final recipient.
phone conversation isn't exactly a good analogy as it's a two-way interactive communication. unless you propose one mail client talking to another, there always will be intermediate servers that will pass the mail, check it for viruses etc.
if you ever get unreliable mail delivery (meaning mail is getting simply lost), that SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. really. contact your administrator, together with him try to find the cause for it. once it is found (you might have to contact destination/sending party), push for it to be resolved.
now, the only case i can think of missing mail (that is not because of some massive network or infrastructure outages that you should be noticing anyway) is spam filters. yes, spam filters that discard messages can cause this, but anyway are controlled by one of the sending/receiving party, thus finding which has snapped the mail and preventing that from happening should be done as soon as possible. and the message itself still must be possible to retrieve from the spamfilter if, for example, it's your organisation's infrastructure that has classified the message incorrectly.
other approach is flagging all the mail and letting it to fall in a separate mailfolder at user's client. that is easy to do with current tools and probably is the best thing to do at your organisation if losing email can be critical and users are sophisticated enough to find the occasional filtered away message (and they have the possibility to set individual thresholds so that one would have more manual spam-hunting to do, other would cope with a mail getting classified incorrectly now and then).
GPL License: You can do basically anything, but you must make your modifications available. ...if you distribute them.
which can be pretty important for companies who see a value in keeping the changes in-house.
woot. and indeed i hope they succeed. ;) ), and was very intrigued by robotic branch - but as a linux user (and with basically no coding skills) i was turned away by the windows-only software.
;)
i am thinking about getting a bunch of lego products (i didn't have them when i was a child
hopefully open stuff (if concerns raised above regarding license are resolved) will result in nice apps for linux platform, too.
and if it all goes well in that direction, i know i'll be getting heavy beating if somebody discovers the price of these things
bingo.
as you said, they _will_ be leaked. why not ? it should be pretty hard to fingerprint each installation.
every pirate is getting a corporate version. everybody i know who has windows running at home has it installed from a cd with serial number written on top of it. those are corporate versions that kids are running around installing to the right & left.