Oh dear God please no. The Basic, PHP and Microsoft paper admins who can't program their way out of a paper bag will now all become Subject Matter Experts on everything to help us all out.
"Why does that go there? Things doesn't work unless it does." "Wha's your problem, bud? Those leaks in the damn have always just been there, don't worry about them."
And you thought things were bad now -- just wait until NO ONE knows what's actually going on, they only know what's SUPPOSED to be happening.
Of course with all of the multitude of languages, support libraries, and computer inter-connects maybe we've already got that now.
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What if the light you see when you die is the headline of an oncoming train?
If you're a human being working as productively as you're capable of, you deserve food, shelter, and health care.
Bunch of random thoughts here:
So, I'm a corporation "aka person, or human being". I'm working as hard as "I" can. Can I get the money to purchase food, shelter, and health care? (Not that I will, of course. But if you've giving away money to people then I want my share of it as well.)
So: Food aka bread and water, shelter aka Debtors Prison, and health care aka we keep the crazies in another room. Sounds good to me.
Who's to decide the minimum? Who gets more? Who gets less? How hard CAN you work? Fine, but that guy over there is slacking, I'm just sure of it. Who are you to say so -- wait, I want YOUR job.
Japan and the Bible (and WE used to) have a saying: "Those that don't work, don't eat." Does the government have to be in charge of everything? What about neighbors and communities helping each out, or is that too quaint and old-fashioned? I'd add more efficient as well -- government may have the resources to throw around, but local communities usually know where it should go; not that'd it'd end UP there.
BTW, I've got a friend who can't even be a burger flipper. She's 6 going on 30; her niece who's a vet assistant got married a month ago. Ashley likes to "color between the lines" and she's NOT joking. She can make beds a a few minor tasks, but needs to be monitored most of the time. She and her mom are on her dad's social security; her mom is working cleaning houses as best she can. Her dad's long gone (dead.)
we had to pay to use the Datapac network at a crazy hourly rate
Then you should have used PC Pursuit, a (probably only US) based thing. For the low, low price of $20 monthly? they gave you nighttime access to their dial-up network. This let you dial into their network and get telnet access to an X.25 pad. There was a table mapping area codes to outgoing sites. You manually connected your local site to a remote site.
Then you were effectively sitting at a Hayes dial-up modem prompt. (Hell it might have BEEN an actual Hayes.) You issued ATD local phone number, waited for the CONNECT prompt (or BUSY, try try again.) and volah! You were magically connected to a remote BBS system. You could use it as much as you wanted over night hours (weekends and 9PM? to 6AM?) Any usage OUTSIDE of that and you'd be dinged for a standard hour charge, more than your monthly subscription.
A problem though was that BBSs were always busy and hard to get into. One guy figured out: connect to your target system and use it like normal. At 6AM, stop all traffic. Don't disconnect, but don't send ANYTHING. There were not keep-alive data prompts, the modems just sat there in their connected 300/1200 synced glory. At night he's use it again until the next sunrise period. Apparently kept a single line busy for two months that way.
And looking at the second link I pasted, if you had two lines you could "call yourself" and drop the real link while keeping the incoming call alive. You then finesse and start controlling the incoming pad as outgoing, upon where you could call most anyplace you wanted.
Drawing conclusions from it would be like making decisions based on Betazoid intuition
I thought for trials by jury, THAT's what the defense lawyers looked for in a jurist. If they had a college degree or knew Schrodinger had a cat, they were OUT. If they knew what channels and when Jerry Springer was on, they were the next in line.
Anything, just as long as they could be convinced by feelings and not look at those annoying pesky facts.
OK, they're ALL out to get you. If you didn't pay for it, you're the product. I fear my local government more than a far-away one. I'm a minnow, no some plankton living in the social/financial sea. It's only metadata. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Ever uploaded something to VirusTotal/Google/MS/Amazon? If it's unencrypted in the cloud, it's probably now on someone's ELSE's cloud too. If encrypted, it's still fair game. KAV have good reviews. So I'll just leave this here and get my coat,
Just PICK one just as long as it's not the default MS Defender. They couldn't stop it from getting in to start with, what makes you think their AV is going to do better?
He works for a chemical company. A few decades ago on one fine, hot summer day he and a friend were out there (for more than a week) with a few crickets, an air hose, and a windshield or fifty.
He and a friend spend their time having fun blasting crickets from the hose onto the windshields, each treated with a different mixture to test, thus imitating a car driving thru a (?cricket storm? It's the same idea as having a teeny tiny mouse process 10,000 gallons of aspartame so see what happens. The mouse finally dies in the bathroom of boredom I think.)
It was fun for the first 30 minutes or so, I hear. They started cracking jokes and whistling. After a few days they started watching "The Fly" with Vincent Price on a TV they bought. On Repeat.
One fine day they put pictures of their boss behind some of the windshields. Their accuracy and attention span greatly improved that day.
Nowdays he just sits in the corner and chirps slightly. (I exaggerate. He actually stomps on every cricket he sees, even if it's on the ceiling -- he's a pretty good shot with a shoe.)
So, kids, you've a choice between depressing old Emily Dickinson and weird e eEEEEE! Cummings or STEM research with bugs and fire and electricity. Personally, I'd stay in the theoretical physics side of things -- where no one expects understandable results anyway.
Current research says you are full of it, i.e. nothing of what you say is actual fact. Please go away ans top spreading lies.
No, no -- he's right. Remember the "Punch the Monkey" Ad that used to appear on articles? It made me want to get violent and punch the screen itself every time I saw it.
WHAT?!? Really? What fresh madness is this? What would happen to all my tabs? How would I ever locate any of the data from my 1000s of open tabs across multiple windows again? Do you know how long it takes to load them all again, and how slow the browser eventually gets?
You might as well ask me to stop using Windows with the auto-update feature enabled.
which have been phased out by now. Ever heard of muscle memory???
Well, the UI experts apparently haven't. They (or SOMEONE) keeps on dramatically changing the interface for no good reason.
Not that change is bad, but not for it's own sake. Make the workflow easier or something. But don't "fix it" just because you're bored and want to keep your job. (Examples: See most any Linux desktop environment history. Or Windows XP vs on vs Metro. And I suspect Apple's OS/X, from what little I've heard.)
Speaking of Muscle Memory: I've permanently set some aside just for Lennart Poettering of SystemD "Fame." You have no idea how long I've has his picture glued on a punching bag.
If you're over 40, then you might want to slightly rephrase the " I was in the red headed step child group, not the main group". That was us as well; anything normal someone got, anything abnormal someone else got. *WE* always seen to get the "No one else knows what the hell this even is, handle it" projects.
After a couple of times of that, a young friend of mine came up with the name "We're the land of misfit toys." It stuck -- because we all had a great time figuring out what was going on and what needed to be done (for robustness, not just barely running) and the Big Project / Big Iron Guys didn't want to have anything to do with us because we didn't fit in their (waterfall?) world.
give them 1 volt shock for every mega byte they had stolen.
I agree with your sentiment, but you've got the wrong idea which is bad for making laws. Even the dictionary only hints at it -- take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
Now they don't intend to return it, but that's because it hasn't gone anywhere. The bits are still located exactly where they're supposed to be.
"Return it" indicates a uniqueness, to wit a physical item that the owner is deprived of and needs for it to be returned to make the owner whole again. Bits here ain't no such animal -- somehow someone duplicated a set of bits that was located on someone's computer.
If I break into your house, use my Star Trek replicator to physically duplicate Every Single Item in there, then lick it while putting it back exactly where it was originally, have I stolen anything? No, although you should invest in an entire pallet of paper towels and could get me arrested on a "breaking and entering" charge. You couldn't point to anything that's not there before (besides saliva) so seems it would be hard to have me arrested for stealing even though I built an exact duplicate of your house and placed it next door, with the same creaky floors, flickering lights, and an overflowing trash can under that horrible Velvet Elvis that's on your wall.
"Stealing" is generically correct since someone has access to things they didn't before, but to implement laws we need to be much more exact. And is your MB measurement in MB or MiB? What about compression?
qbits? Does XML overhead count? What if it's fixed length records and 99% of it is spaces?
You're going to zap someone to death for copying spaces?? And do you zap the poor slob on the actual keyboard, or his boss who's handed the data on a floppy? Heck, what if someone just pushed GO and a software package connected to available servers, collected what it could, filtered out the junk, and created and sold the data on eBay?
No, really, you COULD set that up where "all" you did was press Go and the background agents did everything else. It needs some setup work on the front-end, but that could really have been an "innocent" person.
Personally, I'm for keeping it nice and easy -- (1 Volt per Second) per Byte for the offender, their family and friends AND computers. Cloud Service vendors gets 10% of the penalty because they should have been watching what you were doing, while Facebook gets 90% of that -- because they're Facebook, not that they were involved. THAT just makes it worse.
... by which mankind has swindled itself are religion and bottled water.
Buy low and sell high, that's the way to make a profit. If you can make something for nothing and get people to pay you in droves for it, that's great -- More is Better!
And then they're Nestle putting water in bottles and moving them around for your convenience. Known good (just check the seal), clean, portable, the guy before you didn't absorb the entire fountain with his mouth, etc.
And if it costs too much for it don't buy it. TRUST ME -- they'll quit selling it when it stops making a profit. They HAVE to. Or they'll continue until they go broke, when they'll stop.
(Yeah I know this is roaming, not sure how much of below applies. I still suspect more than I think.)
I'm on the old (the OLD) unlimited employee plan. I pay $75.odd final for a single line and have downloaded 96GB this month, slightly higher than usual. I hear they kill anybody at over100 so I'm leaving the remainder alone until the end of the cycle (days)
Instead, these people should watch all of go90 (free bandwidth) and use Stream Pass (a Free Sports Package for go90 That Includes Free NBA League Pass)
Kinda funny how the wireless bandwidth to the tower is free or not DEPENDING ON YOUR ENDING-SITE. If you stay within their (V's) overall network It's All Free! ...but... once you egress and traverse the general internet Suddenly It's Not! Almost like the wireless part itself doesn't matter.
For these roaming people, V should honor the contract. If the users pay an early termination fee, V should pay THEM for disconnecting. And support the lines until the end of the contract (1/2 yrs) After that though, the users need to get a new contract or (like me) they're depending on Vs good will to carry them forward.
A traveling salesman went to an isolated farmhouse to sell some stuff. The farmer refused, but invited the man in for supper. During dinner, the phone rang. And Rang. And RANG. After a while, the salesman said, "Sir, aren't you going to answer that?" To which the farmer replied, "Son, I put that phone in for MY convenience, not theirs."
. Winning only means that that your competition wasn't up to snuff.
OT, but not really: You can apply the same info to eBay auctions. Once it's over, all that you actually know is the highest price the losing bidder would have paid, not how much the winner would have.
It's funny that at a quick first glance you think you know all about something, but after thinking about it awhile (*IF* you bother to), you realize you actually learned nothing about it at all. That's surprisingly disconcerting.
Winning isn't important. Trying your very best and demonstrating real skill is what's important.
... in the long run. In the short term, trouncing all over your opponent can be very satisfying:-)
IF they actually found him, I think the did it simply for the practice. "If we can find HIM, we can find ANYONE". Plus, they can talk to the guy (or gal), "make them an offer they can't refuse", and also verify that it actually IS the guy(s) they're searching for and not just some lame wanna-be. (Yes! My name *is* Natsu Dragneel Nakamoto. Wait -- where are you going? Did I say something wrong?)
That is, if they've actually done it. I wouldn't put it past the nebulous governmental "them" to do it -- to show that they CAN, and to verify with 100% certainty they've got the right person and not am impostor.
What better demo to give than to provability decode block 1 -- I'm sure even CongressCritters have heard of BitCoin, if just from their grandsons.
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Oh dear God please no. The Basic, PHP and Microsoft paper admins who can't program their way out of a paper bag will now all become Subject Matter Experts on everything to help us all out.
"Why does that go there? Things doesn't work unless it does." "Wha's your problem, bud? Those leaks in the damn have always just been there, don't worry about them."
And you thought things were bad now -- just wait until NO ONE knows what's actually going on, they only know what's SUPPOSED to be happening.
Of course with all of the multitude of languages, support libraries, and computer inter-connects maybe we've already got that now.
------
What if the light you see when you die is the headline of an oncoming train?
If you're a human being working as productively as you're capable of, you deserve food, shelter, and health care.
Bunch of random thoughts here:
So, I'm a corporation "aka person, or human being". I'm working as hard as "I" can. Can I get the money to purchase food, shelter, and health care? (Not that I will, of course. But if you've giving away money to people then I want my share of it as well.)
So: Food aka bread and water, shelter aka Debtors Prison, and health care aka we keep the crazies in another room. Sounds good to me.
Who's to decide the minimum? Who gets more? Who gets less? How hard CAN you work? Fine, but that guy over there is slacking, I'm just sure of it. Who are you to say so -- wait, I want YOUR job.
Japan and the Bible (and WE used to) have a saying: "Those that don't work, don't eat." Does the government have to be in charge of everything? What about neighbors and communities helping each out, or is that too quaint and old-fashioned? I'd add more efficient as well -- government may have the resources to throw around, but local communities usually know where it should go; not that'd it'd end UP there.
BTW, I've got a friend who can't even be a burger flipper. She's 6 going on 30; her niece who's a vet assistant got married a month ago. Ashley likes to "color between the lines" and she's NOT joking. She can make beds a a few minor tasks, but needs to be monitored most of the time. She and her mom are on her dad's social security; her mom is working cleaning houses as best she can. Her dad's long gone (dead.)
patent on stupidity
Sorry, there's existing prior use. I was just reading the other day a cave explorer found on a wall: "Grog, here, hold beer. Watch th"
Why?
;-)
It's not just Thanksgiving, that was just an interesting data point -- like all of the other ones...
If you don't have the data, you can't scan it. But if you do, you can squeeze the data so hard that a 0 becomes a 1.
we had to pay to use the Datapac network at a crazy hourly rate
Then you should have used PC Pursuit , a (probably only US) based thing. For the low, low price of $20 monthly? they gave you nighttime access to their dial-up network. This let you dial into their network and get telnet access to an X.25 pad. There was a table mapping area codes to outgoing sites. You manually connected your local site to a remote site.
Then you were effectively sitting at a Hayes dial-up modem prompt. (Hell it might have BEEN an actual Hayes.) You issued ATD local phone number, waited for the CONNECT prompt (or BUSY, try try again.) and volah! You were magically connected to a remote BBS system. You could use it as much as you wanted over night hours (weekends and 9PM? to 6AM?) Any usage OUTSIDE of that and you'd be dinged for a standard hour charge, more than your monthly subscription.
A problem though was that BBSs were always busy and hard to get into. One guy figured out: connect to your target system and use it like normal. At 6AM, stop all traffic. Don't disconnect, but don't send ANYTHING. There were not keep-alive data prompts, the modems just sat there in their connected 300/1200 synced glory. At night he's use it again until the next sunrise period. Apparently kept a single line busy for two months that way.
And looking at the second link I pasted, if you had two lines you could "call yourself" and drop the real link while keeping the incoming call alive. You then finesse and start controlling the incoming pad as outgoing, upon where you could call most anyplace you wanted.
Learn something new every day.
*THIS*. Me too.
Oh wait, that was AOL.
Drawing conclusions from it would be like making decisions based on Betazoid intuition
I thought for trials by jury, THAT's what the defense lawyers looked for in a jurist. If they had a college degree or knew Schrodinger had a cat, they were OUT. If they knew what channels and when Jerry Springer was on, they were the next in line.
Anything, just as long as they could be convinced by feelings and not look at those annoying pesky facts.
OK, they're ALL out to get you. If you didn't pay for it, you're the product. I fear my local government more than a far-away one. I'm a minnow, no some plankton living in the social/financial sea. It's only metadata. If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Ever uploaded something to VirusTotal/Google/MS/Amazon? If it's unencrypted in the cloud, it's probably now on someone's ELSE's cloud too. If encrypted, it's still fair game. KAV have good reviews. So I'll just leave this here and get my coat,
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Just PICK one just as long as it's not the default MS Defender. They couldn't stop it from getting in to start with, what makes you think their AV is going to do better?
He works for a chemical company. A few decades ago on one fine, hot summer day he and a friend were out there (for more than a week) with a few crickets, an air hose, and a windshield or fifty.
He and a friend spend their time having fun blasting crickets from the hose onto the windshields, each treated with a different mixture to test, thus imitating a car driving thru a (?cricket storm? It's the same idea as having a teeny tiny mouse process 10,000 gallons of aspartame so see what happens. The mouse finally dies in the bathroom of boredom I think.)
It was fun for the first 30 minutes or so, I hear. They started cracking jokes and whistling. After a few days they started watching "The Fly" with Vincent Price on a TV they bought. On Repeat.
One fine day they put pictures of their boss behind some of the windshields. Their accuracy and attention span greatly improved that day.
Nowdays he just sits in the corner and chirps slightly. (I exaggerate. He actually stomps on every cricket he sees, even if it's on the ceiling -- he's a pretty good shot with a shoe.)
So, kids, you've a choice between depressing old Emily Dickinson and weird e eEEEEE! Cummings or STEM research with bugs and fire and electricity. Personally, I'd stay in the theoretical physics side of things -- where no one expects understandable results anyway.
First person shooters should be banned
Current research says you are full of it, i.e. nothing of what you say is actual fact. Please go away ans top spreading lies.
No, no -- he's right. Remember the "Punch the Monkey" Ad that used to appear on articles? It made me want to get violent and punch the screen itself every time I saw it.
Maybe he meant "First Person Punchers" instead.
is "close the browser window."
CLOSE. THE. BROWSER.
WHAT?!? Really? What fresh madness is this? What would happen to all my tabs? How would I ever locate any of the data from my 1000s of open tabs across multiple windows again? Do you know how long it takes to load them all again, and how slow the browser eventually gets?
You might as well ask me to stop using Windows with the auto-update feature enabled.
Batteries and wires. Then you can type ALL you want without moving a muscle.
Of course you won't have the will to type anything, but that's besides the point.
which have been phased out by now. Ever heard of muscle memory???
Well, the UI experts apparently haven't. They (or SOMEONE) keeps on dramatically changing the interface for no good reason.
Not that change is bad, but not for it's own sake. Make the workflow easier or something. But don't "fix it" just because you're bored and want to keep your job. (Examples: See most any Linux desktop environment history. Or Windows XP vs on vs Metro. And I suspect Apple's OS/X, from what little I've heard.)
Speaking of Muscle Memory: I've permanently set some aside just for Lennart Poettering of SystemD "Fame." You have no idea how long I've has his picture glued on a punching bag.
Learn this one when me and my kids were fighting over the 2 streams
Good idea. You're bigger than them though, so I don't see this as your problem.
If you're over 40, then you might want to slightly rephrase the " I was in the red headed step child group, not the main group". That was us as well; anything normal someone got, anything abnormal someone else got. *WE* always seen to get the "No one else knows what the hell this even is, handle it" projects.
After a couple of times of that, a young friend of mine came up with the name "We're the land of misfit toys." It stuck -- because we all had a great time figuring out what was going on and what needed to be done (for robustness, not just barely running) and the Big Project / Big Iron Guys didn't want to have anything to do with us because we didn't fit in their (waterfall?) world.
give them 1 volt shock for every mega byte they had stolen.
I agree with your sentiment, but you've got the wrong idea which is bad for making laws. Even the dictionary only hints at it -- take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
Now they don't intend to return it, but that's because it hasn't gone anywhere. The bits are still located exactly where they're supposed to be.
"Return it" indicates a uniqueness, to wit a physical item that the owner is deprived of and needs for it to be returned to make the owner whole again. Bits here ain't no such animal -- somehow someone duplicated a set of bits that was located on someone's computer.
If I break into your house, use my Star Trek replicator to physically duplicate Every Single Item in there, then lick it while putting it back exactly where it was originally, have I stolen anything? No, although you should invest in an entire pallet of paper towels and could get me arrested on a "breaking and entering" charge. You couldn't point to anything that's not there before (besides saliva) so seems it would be hard to have me arrested for stealing even though I built an exact duplicate of your house and placed it next door, with the same creaky floors, flickering lights, and an overflowing trash can under that horrible Velvet Elvis that's on your wall.
"Stealing" is generically correct since someone has access to things they didn't before, but to implement laws we need to be much more exact. And is your MB measurement in MB or MiB? What about compression? qbits? Does XML overhead count? What if it's fixed length records and 99% of it is spaces?
You're going to zap someone to death for copying spaces?? And do you zap the poor slob on the actual keyboard, or his boss who's handed the data on a floppy? Heck, what if someone just pushed GO and a software package connected to available servers, collected what it could, filtered out the junk, and created and sold the data on eBay?
No, really, you COULD set that up where "all" you did was press Go and the background agents did everything else. It needs some setup work on the front-end, but that could really have been an "innocent" person.
Personally, I'm for keeping it nice and easy -- (1 Volt per Second) per Byte for the offender, their family and friends AND computers. Cloud Service vendors gets 10% of the penalty because they should have been watching what you were doing, while Facebook gets 90% of that -- because they're Facebook, not that they were involved. THAT just makes it worse.
... by which mankind has swindled itself are religion and bottled water.
Buy low and sell high, that's the way to make a profit. If you can make something for nothing and get people to pay you in droves for it, that's great -- More is Better!
And then they're Nestle putting water in bottles and moving them around for your convenience. Known good (just check the seal), clean, portable, the guy before you didn't absorb the entire fountain with his mouth, etc.
And if it costs too much for it don't buy it. TRUST ME -- they'll quit selling it when it stops making a profit. They HAVE to. Or they'll continue until they go broke, when they'll stop.
(Yeah I know this is roaming, not sure how much of below applies. I still suspect more than I think.)
...but ... once you egress and traverse the general internet Suddenly It's Not! Almost like the wireless part itself doesn't matter.
I'm on the old (the OLD) unlimited employee plan. I pay $75.odd final for a single line and have downloaded 96GB this month, slightly higher than usual. I hear they kill anybody at over100 so I'm leaving the remainder alone until the end of the cycle (days)
Instead, these people should watch all of go90 (free bandwidth) and use Stream Pass (a Free Sports Package for go90 That Includes Free NBA League Pass)
Kinda funny how the wireless bandwidth to the tower is free or not DEPENDING ON YOUR ENDING-SITE. If you stay within their (V's) overall network It's All Free!
For these roaming people, V should honor the contract. If the users pay an early termination fee, V should pay THEM for disconnecting. And support the lines until the end of the contract (1/2 yrs) After that though, the users need to get a new contract or (like me) they're depending on Vs good will to carry them forward.
Old joke (obviously):
A traveling salesman went to an isolated farmhouse to sell some stuff. The farmer refused, but invited the man in for supper. During dinner, the phone rang. And Rang. And RANG. After a while, the salesman said, "Sir, aren't you going to answer that?" To which the farmer replied, "Son, I put that phone in for MY convenience, not theirs."
. Winning only means that that your competition wasn't up to snuff.
OT, but not really: You can apply the same info to eBay auctions. Once it's over, all that you actually know is the highest price the losing bidder would have paid, not how much the winner would have.
It's funny that at a quick first glance you think you know all about something, but after thinking about it awhile (*IF* you bother to), you realize you actually learned nothing about it at all. That's surprisingly disconcerting.
Winning isn't important. Trying your very best and demonstrating real skill is what's important.
... in the long run. In the short term, trouncing all over your opponent can be very satisfying :-)
You can push them all you want, but most of them are disconnected. (Notice the many years this has been happening.)
"Oh, them? It never changes," she said. "It's always: location, location, location."
I can just imagine that next month Chris Beard will walk into his office, close the door, remove the mask, and Emperor Palpatine will growl ... and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete.
**THIS**
IF they actually found him, I think the did it simply for the practice. "If we can find HIM, we can find ANYONE". Plus, they can talk to the guy (or gal), "make them an offer they can't refuse", and also verify that it actually IS the guy(s) they're searching for and not just some lame wanna-be. (Yes! My name *is* Natsu Dragneel Nakamoto. Wait -- where are you going? Did I say something wrong?)
That is, if they've actually done it. I wouldn't put it past the nebulous governmental "them" to do it -- to show that they CAN, and to verify with 100% certainty they've got the right person and not am impostor.
What better demo to give than to provability decode block 1 -- I'm sure even CongressCritters have heard of BitCoin, if just from their grandsons.