They are typically going to HTTPS to some webmail account. Good luck getting the headers out of that.
They will know that you connected to https://webmail.example.nl/ and can now go to that provider demanding the data. Not sure if they already are around of getting that data by default or are still working on that.
If the hotel has a NAT-ted network, what are they supposed to log?
It starts with the MAC adress, then also the remote IP and if possible the email address. This could mean that customers must get a (free or payed for) ode to be able to connect.
There are ways around it, but then this is not intended for those that are they say it is intended for. This is just because they can. Law enforcement wants more trail of everything. They would love it if everybody would be trackable all the time every time, so their task (prevent and solve crimes) will become much easier with a higher success rate.
On the other side there should be the people interested in the privacy of their person and nit just at home, but everywhere. That is out of the window, because you are a child molester if you oppose to any of this. 1984 seems to be the way most people WANT to live.
but the hotels themselves don't offer the service, they outsource
Just because you outsource does not mean you don't have any responsibility anymore. It could well be that they can sue the outsource partner if they get fined, but they will get fined.
And isn't it terrible that the more expensive hotels would have no effect, while the bed&breakfast places and youth hostels will go belly-up because they can't afford it and customers still demand it?
The hotels (and other places that offer Internet connections, like railways, bars and your local hacker) will then need to start paying for the cost of having all this data gathering. That will mean no more free Internet at any place and all this because some terrorist might rape some children.
Copiers already have the ability to not copy money or at least copy it in such a way that it can't be used. It is also pretty trivial to go around the chip that does this, so if that is the purpose, it will be a big fail.
As long as they do not re-distribute, they are not obliged to let "everybody win" i.e. share the source or the software. And that is only true for GPL software. With BSD they do not have to share anything,
So indeed why not start with something that is already out there as it will speed up the whole process. Then you have more people available for specific software.
But then it can also be interesting to see what happens if you start with something completely new. It might never leave the military, but there also might be a chance that it does, which will be great.
I call over VoIP. I call a fixed number that then will call the international number. Some price comparison right here: http://www.backsla.sh/betamax Prices are lowest available, so it could be that you need to pay a bit more after a while.
The one I took was 90 days free and now I pay 1.5 euro cents per minute.
Downside is that calling the number takes a bit longer. First the local number, then a pause (needed to look in my phones manual to know what it was) then the remote number, then a message telling nme the price and only then the phone starts ringing at the other side. Sometimes quality is poor (1 in 10 times or so) or I get disconnected, but as these are private calls and not business ones, I gladly do a redial and pay about 10% of what I would normally pay.
Even more concerning is that if he would actually follow this up with a lawyer, it would just confirm that he is actually an enemy of the state and must be followed.
It also proves that identical ideas can lead to identical solutions. This means that 'who came up with the first idea should get the patent' is flawed.
Perhaps it is a plot from the record industry to get people to download the cover, so they can sue everybody who saw it and not only the bittorrent people. That way they can eliminate this pesky thing called Internet that screw over their business plan.
You might think it would be legal to see the picture and have it in your cache, but you also might think it is legal to have a copy of work you bought. They have the money, they make the rules.
So you were a danger for the whole community and world, yet you seem to think your internet connection was more important then the security of others. And no you are not being "punished" you are take of the grid as a protection to others.
The moment I was infected I would have LOVED if my provider had noticed and taken me off line so I would not have been a bot for almost two days before I noticed. I also do not blame others for getting infected. I blame me.
It does not matter how hard you tried. The moment you were infected, you became a danger to the rest of the world and must be taken off. You will be the person who escapes quarantine and spread the virus that turns everybody into zombies, just because getting the decease was not your fault you got infected and you must do whatever you think is important to you. Makes for a great movie, but in reality, you killed the world. Thanks.
I am not worried about infections. I am worried about the shitload of spam these infections of others cause. I The rest in the world is directly affected if you are a botnet, even if you do not notice anything. It is not so much a blame-game, it is standard self preservation.
I do not care how hard or easy it is for you to make your system secure. All I care is about not getting shitloads of spam and if you send it, you must be cut of and please call back once your are OK again.
An ISP has no job in filtering what I do. If they filter bot stuff, they should be reliable for filtering childporn, terrorist acctivities and copyrighted material as well.
The moment the abusedesk is notified of doing botnet stuff what they must do with that (just as with any other sort of open relay) is first cut off the connection and second contact the customer to say what they have done and why. Then give the customer time to do whatever he needs to do. When he calls back, test it is safe. Second time: do the same. Third time (within a reasonable time, like 3 years) trwo him out.
Filtering bot-activity? That will work just as good as filtering spam. It does not take away the spam, it takes away people seeing it and let others try harder.
Car analogy: In Belgium I have to get my car checked every few years. If the car is deemed unsafe, it is taken off the road. No buts and ifs, I am responsible that my car is safe for others.
I do not understand why the question must be asked. I thought this was why there IS a UAP. Basically each ISP UAP says: If you fuck with our connection, we fuck with yours.
I just hope he uses TrueCrypt and suddenly "remembers" his password. How will they know it was the password they were looking for when they only see images of puppies?
And the ISPs do not like that, because it will cost money. And that is why they are trying to fight it. This way they can say it is not secure, which will give them more leverage if they are asked to hand over the data to say no.
Funny the article singles out YaST as an example of GUI work. YaST works great in CLI. here an example. I have used it both as GUI and CLI (over e.g. ssh) and alongside 'normal' CLI commands for e.g. the firewall and editing things by hand and what not.
This means that if you want standard options, you can easily use YaST (in GUI or CLI after ssh) or use anything else if you want. So it is very strange that he uses YaST as an example for GUI only ways of doing things.
No, I have never had an issue with a HTTP or an FTP download. Most of the times I use wget -c and that is only so I can stop the download myself and continue when I want to. Compare that to the numerous times I was unable to complete a torrent download and if anything, I would say that bittorrent is the lesser quality and one could wonder the advantages of it over FTP. (I know what they are)
When a new version of openSUSE comes out, I download with FTP first and then start uploading with bittorrent. Download with FTP because it is much faster. Upload because I am willing to share.
So why should we replace standard downloads? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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They will know that you connected to https://webmail.example.nl/ and can now go to that provider demanding the data. Not sure if they already are around of getting that data by default or are still working on that.
It starts with the MAC adress, then also the remote IP and if possible the email address. This could mean that customers must get a (free or payed for) ode to be able to connect.
There are ways around it, but then this is not intended for those that are they say it is intended for. This is just because they can. Law enforcement wants more trail of everything. They would love it if everybody would be trackable all the time every time, so their task (prevent and solve crimes) will become much easier with a higher success rate.
On the other side there should be the people interested in the privacy of their person and nit just at home, but everywhere. That is out of the window, because you are a child molester if you oppose to any of this.
1984 seems to be the way most people WANT to live.
Just because you outsource does not mean you don't have any responsibility anymore. It could well be that they can sue the outsource partner if they get fined, but they will get fined.
And isn't it terrible that the more expensive hotels would have no effect, while the bed&breakfast places and youth hostels will go belly-up because they can't afford it and customers still demand it?
The hotels (and other places that offer Internet connections, like railways, bars and your local hacker) will then need to start paying for the cost of having all this data gathering. That will mean no more free Internet at any place and all this because some terrorist might rape some children.
Copiers already have the ability to not copy money or at least copy it in such a way that it can't be used. It is also pretty trivial to go around the chip that does this, so if that is the purpose, it will be a big fail.
Criminals try to steal money? Hardly any news. Please come back when Cyber-criminals DON'T try to abuse a specific group of sites.
"Dog bites man" is not news. "Man bites dog" is.
Full ack. If so many people have problems with the system, then perhaps it is not the people who are at fault, but the system.
In Soviet Russia, Confusion Between Reality and Fiction Causes Religion.
As long as they do not re-distribute, they are not obliged to let "everybody win" i.e. share the source or the software. And that is only true for GPL software. With BSD they do not have to share anything,
So indeed why not start with something that is already out there as it will speed up the whole process. Then you have more people available for specific software.
But then it can also be interesting to see what happens if you start with something completely new. It might never leave the military, but there also might be a chance that it does, which will be great.
I call over VoIP. I call a fixed number that then will call the international number. Some price comparison right here: http://www.backsla.sh/betamax Prices are lowest available, so it could be that you need to pay a bit more after a while.
The one I took was 90 days free and now I pay 1.5 euro cents per minute.
Downside is that calling the number takes a bit longer. First the local number, then a pause (needed to look in my phones manual to know what it was) then the remote number, then a message telling nme the price and only then the phone starts ringing at the other side.
Sometimes quality is poor (1 in 10 times or so) or I get disconnected, but as these are private calls and not business ones, I gladly do a redial and pay about 10% of what I would normally pay.
Even then people should have an option to vote. e.g. if I am for gay marriage, but also for the death penalty, what party is my best option?
The scary thing is that fear is the motivator. Then it was the ruskies who wanted to take over the free world, now it is the terrorist.
Also do not forget that although that fear brought spaceflight, it also brought mccarthyism.
Even more concerning is that if he would actually follow this up with a lawyer, it would just confirm that he is actually an enemy of the state and must be followed.
Remember they also have a solution for not being able to find a loophole. It is called a guillotine.
I know, it is a strange thought that people actually are more important then companies.
It also proves that identical ideas can lead to identical solutions. This means that 'who came up with the first idea should get the patent' is flawed.
Perhaps it is a plot from the record industry to get people to download the cover, so they can sue everybody who saw it and not only the bittorrent people. That way they can eliminate this pesky thing called Internet that screw over their business plan.
You might think it would be legal to see the picture and have it in your cache, but you also might think it is legal to have a copy of work you bought. They have the money, they make the rules.
I hope they don't have an ssh or telnet applet, because that is also a tool many hackers use.
So you were a danger for the whole community and world, yet you seem to think your internet connection was more important then the security of others. And no you are not being "punished" you are take of the grid as a protection to others.
The moment I was infected I would have LOVED if my provider had noticed and taken me off line so I would not have been a bot for almost two days before I noticed. I also do not blame others for getting infected. I blame me.
It does not matter how hard you tried. The moment you were infected, you became a danger to the rest of the world and must be taken off. You will be the person who escapes quarantine and spread the virus that turns everybody into zombies, just because getting the decease was not your fault you got infected and you must do whatever you think is important to you. Makes for a great movie, but in reality, you killed the world. Thanks.
I am not worried about infections. I am worried about the shitload of spam these infections of others cause. I The rest in the world is directly affected if you are a botnet, even if you do not notice anything. It is not so much a blame-game, it is standard self preservation.
I do not care how hard or easy it is for you to make your system secure. All I care is about not getting shitloads of spam and if you send it, you must be cut of and please call back once your are OK again.
An ISP has no job in filtering what I do. If they filter bot stuff, they should be reliable for filtering childporn, terrorist acctivities and copyrighted material as well.
The moment the abusedesk is notified of doing botnet stuff what they must do with that (just as with any other sort of open relay) is first cut off the connection and second contact the customer to say what they have done and why. Then give the customer time to do whatever he needs to do. When he calls back, test it is safe. Second time: do the same. Third time (within a reasonable time, like 3 years) trwo him out.
Filtering bot-activity? That will work just as good as filtering spam. It does not take away the spam, it takes away people seeing it and let others try harder.
Car analogy: In Belgium I have to get my car checked every few years. If the car is deemed unsafe, it is taken off the road. No buts and ifs, I am responsible that my car is safe for others.
I do not understand why the question must be asked. I thought this was why there IS a UAP. Basically each ISP UAP says: If you fuck with our connection, we fuck with yours.
I just hope he uses TrueCrypt and suddenly "remembers" his password. How will they know it was the password they were looking for when they only see images of puppies?
Wait till they find out terrorists hand out those computers to children with copyrighted material on it.
And the ISPs do not like that, because it will cost money. And that is why they are trying to fight it. This way they can say it is not secure, which will give them more leverage if they are asked to hand over the data to say no.
Funny the article singles out YaST as an example of GUI work. YaST works great in CLI. here an example. I have used it both as GUI and CLI (over e.g. ssh) and alongside 'normal' CLI commands for e.g. the firewall and editing things by hand and what not.
This means that if you want standard options, you can easily use YaST (in GUI or CLI after ssh) or use anything else if you want. So it is very strange that he uses YaST as an example for GUI only ways of doing things.
Just connect the iPhone to this app
No, I have never had an issue with a HTTP or an FTP download. Most of the times I use wget -c and that is only so I can stop the download myself and continue when I want to.
Compare that to the numerous times I was unable to complete a torrent download and if anything, I would say that bittorrent is the lesser quality and one could wonder the advantages of it over FTP. (I know what they are)
When a new version of openSUSE comes out, I download with FTP first and then start uploading with bittorrent. Download with FTP because it is much faster. Upload because I am willing to share.
So why should we replace standard downloads? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.