You are missing one thing: counsiosness stays. I'ts not yout body that says who you are, its software your brain runs. freeze execution and move it somewhere else: it will still be you
fork it, you will get identical copies, it still will be you, but in duo - only following experience will diferetiate, but at precise moment of duplication, it will still be you*2
I would definitelly like to see such procedure done and be able to talk with two resulting persons, since it will prove wheter there is really some untouchable soul.
i always though that real googles motto always was "Whatever you do, look good, but be evil"
anyway - as junior conspiratist, i think that google has fallen from grace at precise moment when they disabled results for xenu.net, and they are no longer better company than... Intel, Amd or IBM
Well, ISPs could be FUDed to think, that not-signing and enforcing this 'code of conduct' can lead to problems: when customer is found guilty of sharing they might be charged as accomplices (like... providing user with all the tools he needs for illegal sharing, protecting them...). FUD is strong weapon.
Obviously good isps won't sign it right away when they have options, but i think that majority will... starting with AOL (time warner anyone?).
What could be trouble is, that Signing isps could refuse to peer with non-signing ones, leaving them with low or even no conectivity, thus forcing them to
a) limit user data b) sign and get peering back even if it means loosing customers c) give up bussiness ( d) sign, but not act according to that )
(plus - tons of links vere really "interesting" like yahoo.com , also it became cliché - usually hypical homepage contained a) index with some animated gif of construction worker b) links section with links everyone knew. c) abou me section usually saying nothing and havin 75% of content dedicated to ones dog/cat d) guestbook with such great messages like "ur site iz good, look at mine at hxxp://... ")
i too used to have links section of my homepage updated, but simply found its not that comfortable to acces ftp, download html edit and upload it back and it results in poor rate of updates.
well, i simply found some time and coded opensource web app ( check it out here: http://roaming-nomad.sourceforge.net/ , my live version is here: http://zweistein.wz.cz/roaming-nomad/index.php ) which is quite oposite of comunity bookmarking - designed to be private, but accessbile to guests
and im simply happy - its not huge or succesfull project, but i have place for my bookmarks and can share them with friends (with exclusion of some links that are locked from anononyms and guests).
Seriously. Outside of Deep Space Nine, all Star Treks (including the original) are pretty lame, uninteresting, boring.
I kind if never understood why all star trecks must be epizodic space soap operas to make fans happy. While DS9 offers interesting plot, characters and vilains. Great settings, nice story arc, quality writing... etc etc etc...
But i guess that discovery of "I wrote kernell module ABC in C.V.s is worth gold when applying for job" is bit outdated.
Plus it does not explain why people share THAT much - it not about tangible resources (average filesharer uses most of his bw for dowloading/uploading even if it means discomfort while surfing net, considerable place on hd is blocked by shared files. and there are always risks of it being sued for it.) Lots of devs of opensource project never get much peer prestige or fun - they are more bored by ridiculous RFEs, people DEMANDING bugfixes, various flamers, and hard work with thrill that someone could steal their work, brand it and sell it as closed source (it has happened).
> This sharing hasn't translated over to other goods and services outside of IT because either the goods are not abundant enough (cars), or the cost of distribution is too high (food)
in far, far future:
Everyone has his own nano-factory that could easily produce anythig he has blueprints for. I wonder if such world will still hold to p2p sharing of plans, opensource i.e. caffe machines, etc...
By the way: economs like graphs and equations and lots of variables
(yes, this is parody, not ment seriously. but i bet it will become part of moredn economy textbook anyway)
Variables:
U - total users of network Uf - average users sharing files Ufd - average users downloading files without resharing S - network suckiness Rb - base network rating R - network rating A - Attacks on network, usually Af (Fud) Al (legal threads)
Rb = Log(U)
Network suckiness is S = Uf/Ufd if S > 1 then network does not suck S = 1 network sucks
thus, overal network rating is
R = Rb * S
if
R = A = Al + Af
then it becomes consumed and disitegrated by RIAA, etc...
It seems to me that it just described that way it is without some worthwhile analyis what motivates people to share or why should be people reading economiast concerned
Well, here are my 0.02:
Why is sharing important:
It breaks down traditional corporate moloch, it teaches that anarchy-like goal-driven structures are perfectly viable and can outperform hierarchical companies.
It teaches that inforamation must be free (both as beer and as freedom), if it isnt, there will always be ways to free it.
It practicaly demonstrates that acting selfish is not way to go (try throttling bt upload to 1kb/s, see results...), and that being selfish (wealth stocpiling, idea holding) is not way to become succesfull. and that sharing with poor does not mean beeing stupid.
All in all, its kind of hippie like philosophy crossed with viable economy (thats not based around money, but around ideas).
Well, to use closed source apps that do illegal things is risky (at least).
I wonder if they will wait for court to order then to release logs to riaa, or if they grap opportunity and negotiace some nice $$$ for list (like 0.01 cent per user per file log). Riaa would be happy to get REAL evidence from good sources... imagine complete logs for everything you ever downloaded (and how could they blackmail you for some... lets say unusual content)
Im more than ever assured, that open source p2p clients are the way to go... long live eMule (btw: ed2k/kad IS slow but also more reliable by order of magnitude than any other network)
In software there as idea that problem for which is pattent solution should be presented to groups of skilled programers who have week to find solution.
If one of concepts they come up with is close to patent concept, its is dismissed, otherwise it should be granted as non trivial and inovative.
(Example: someone tries to patent classical fulltext search as "way to retrieve all data based on simple keyword". programers/engineers get task to find way how to "way to retrieve all data based on simple keyword" - one of them comes out with idea that you can preprocess all data,extract possible keywords and pair then with data, then make search on them and not data. Which is exactly how patent proposed it to do. Other will simply dig on goole and will find working implementation. RESULT: no patent)
+ they will sometimes generate obscure and new ideas woth of further exploration. this could be werry challenging job and good way to get renome.
- human factor is too high - should someone sponzor whole team to make them lazy about ideas, there is no way it could work.
Sorry, but few brave sites don't make difference to me. Theyll be shut down soon enought, no matter how they laugh. riaa will simply force peers stop peering with their ISP. money can do a lot thnings
And torrent was MADE with intention distribute LEGAL material... whole mechanics of torrent download is made to ensure that 1] Host (Trackes) is easily indetificable and shut down should someone wish to do it thus killing all donwloads 2] File is verified upon downloading and you download using.torrent file you gout somewhere so you are sure you are loading legal/ilegal material thus noone can spit out "i didnt know what i was downloading, thus im incocent" bullshit 3] there is zero privacy a no attempts to hide users are viable.
thus making it perfect for distros etc, but impractical for illegal stuff
Y know, greatest offensive on whole torrent sites is for me that it devalues torrent as legal way to distribute files and that IT GOES AGAINST WISHES AND INTENTIONS OF ITS CREATOR (sorry for caps, but its important)
thus based on above i as avid downloaders and p2per say that illegal torrents are dying, are destined to die and should die
Well... if you are looking for better client or network, is suggest eMule (not that bittorrent is bad but it is dying and winmx is not exactly eficient)
http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.c gi ?l=1
Who would want closed source client for filesharing anyway?
I mean - even if it has no spyware compoments, one can never be sure how it works (and how easy it is to spy upon your downloading habbits). Not mentioning possibility of court ordering to shut down network (is is possible with fasttrack?) and stop distributing client (no updates, except shadowy ones from klite scamers) or to log all downloads/uploads and post them to riaa (can you illegal downloaders imagine finding bill for items you downloaded each month in your mail?)
Opensource here is way - unstoplable, legally usually nonexistent (who the hell is responsible for client? project starter - but hes not arround for several years. one of current devs? of past ones? or everyone? or nobody?), it easy for unnamed dev to pickup flag and comtinue fight.
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You are missing one thing: counsiosness stays. I'ts not yout body that says who you are, its software your brain runs. freeze execution and move it somewhere else: it will still be you
fork it, you will get identical copies, it still will be you, but in duo - only following experience will diferetiate, but at precise moment of duplication, it will still be you*2
I would definitelly like to see such procedure done and be able to talk with two resulting persons, since it will prove wheter there is really some untouchable soul.
I can see religious figures starting holy wars.
You don't have to wait 50 years to do it.
...
just get yourslves some nice mental disease and you'll be able to argue with several copies of yourself
i always though that real googles motto always was
"Whatever you do, look good, but be evil"
anyway - as junior conspiratist, i think that google has fallen from grace at precise moment when they disabled results for xenu.net, and they are no longer better company than
omg ... can anyone be that stupid, or - is it troll ? ... dont you realize what impact will it make to freedom of speech?
They prorably (most surely) will at least support it.
...
But what is really important, will m$ word even try reading it?
you can make open format, but without support from this editor, its not gona change anything since format lock-in is still in efect
but even best adblock solution wont remove PR and AD articles ...
Damn ... now, slashdot efect traffic will fool their marketing to thinking, that spaming is very efective.
Really bad it is. Doomed we are.
its not like google is still good guy: patenting stuff, accepting and displaying dishonest ads, censoring results ...
ad-free? since when?
...
most of dvds come with quite long unskipable intros, some even force you to watch trailer before movie.
and yeah, there are dvds that have disabled seeking or fast forwarding/reversing
Well, ISPs could be FUDed to think, that not-signing and enforcing this 'code of conduct' can lead to problems: when customer is found guilty of sharing they might be charged as accomplices (like ... providing user with all the tools he needs for illegal sharing, protecting them ...). FUD is strong weapon.
... starting with AOL (time warner anyone?).
Obviously good isps won't sign it right away when they have options, but i think that majority will
What could be trouble is, that Signing isps could refuse to peer with non-signing ones, leaving them with low or even no conectivity, thus forcing them to
a) limit user data
b) sign and get peering back even if it means loosing customers
c) give up bussiness
( d) sign, but not act according to that )
Hey, combine it with DDR and you have one hell of an excercise on Level 10
While informative, this paper clearly shows all signs of being earn-class one,
:)
double linines? large margins? big font?
come on, just admit it's 15 pages of normal text
Lazyness, thats what happened.
.
(plus - tons of links vere really "interesting" like yahoo.com , also it became cliché - usually hypical homepage contained a) index with some animated gif of construction worker b) links section with links everyone knew. c) abou me section usually saying nothing and havin 75% of content dedicated to ones dog/cat d) guestbook with such great messages like "ur site iz good, look at mine at hxxp://... ")
i too used to have links section of my homepage updated, but simply found its not that comfortable to acces ftp, download html edit and upload it back and it results in poor rate of updates.
well, i simply found some time and coded opensource web app ( check it out here: http://roaming-nomad.sourceforge.net/ , my live version is here: http://zweistein.wz.cz/roaming-nomad/index.php ) which is quite oposite of comunity bookmarking - designed to be private, but accessbile to guests
and im simply happy - its not huge or succesfull project, but i have place for my bookmarks and can share them with friends (with exclusion of some links that are locked from anononyms and guests)
# Google portal
- They already have full spectrum of portal services (news, email, forums
# Google hosting
- Google cache anyone?
# Google Forum's
- ever seen new google groups?
# A Google version of
- all services (gmail, groups
GruuuugHtwwwwat Ggggheewwr Muuuuug
[transl: They wont get our teeth.]
if you wanted to flame, you should have said:
... etc etc etc ...
Seriously. Outside of Deep Space Nine, all Star Treks (including the original) are pretty lame, uninteresting, boring.
I kind if never understood why all star trecks must be epizodic space soap operas to make fans happy. While DS9 offers interesting plot, characters and vilains. Great settings, nice story arc, quality writing
Actually, it would be kind of scary if it showed you CONTENTS of yout speedy gonzales :)
But i guess that discovery of "I wrote kernell module ABC in C.V.s is worth gold when applying for job" is bit outdated.
...
Plus it does not explain why people share THAT much - it not about tangible resources (average filesharer uses most of his bw for dowloading/uploading even if it means discomfort while surfing net, considerable place on hd is blocked by shared files. and there are always risks of it being sued for it.)
Lots of devs of opensource project never get much peer prestige or fun - they are more bored by ridiculous RFEs, people DEMANDING bugfixes, various flamers, and hard work with thrill that someone could steal their work, brand it and sell it as closed source (it has happened).
> This sharing hasn't translated over to other goods and services outside of IT because either the goods are not abundant enough (cars), or the cost of distribution is too high (food)
in far, far future:
Everyone has his own nano-factory that could easily produce anythig he has blueprints for. I wonder if such world will still hold to p2p sharing of plans, opensource i.e. caffe machines, etc
By the way: economs like graphs and equations and lots of variables
(yes, this is parody, not ment seriously. but i bet it will become part of moredn economy textbook anyway)
Variables:
U - total users of network
Uf - average users sharing files
Ufd - average users downloading files without resharing
S - network suckiness
Rb - base network rating
R - network rating
A - Attacks on network, usually Af (Fud) Al (legal threads)
Rb = Log(U)
Network suckiness is S = Uf/Ufd
if
S > 1 then network does not suck
S = 1 network sucks
thus, overal network rating is
R = Rb * S
if
R = A = Al + Af
then it becomes consumed and disitegrated by RIAA, etc...
It seems to me that it just described that way it is without some worthwhile analyis what motivates people to share or why should be people reading economiast concerned
...), and that being selfish (wealth stocpiling, idea holding) is not way to become succesfull. and that sharing with poor does not mean beeing stupid.
Well, here are my 0.02:
Why is sharing important:
It breaks down traditional corporate moloch, it teaches that anarchy-like goal-driven structures are perfectly viable and can outperform hierarchical companies.
It teaches that inforamation must be free (both as beer and as freedom), if it isnt, there will always be ways to free it.
It practicaly demonstrates that acting selfish is not way to go (try throttling bt upload to 1kb/s, see results
All in all, its kind of hippie like philosophy crossed with viable economy (thats not based around money, but around ideas).
Well, to use closed source apps that do illegal things is risky (at least).
... imagine complete logs for everything you ever downloaded (and how could they blackmail you for some ... lets say unusual content)
I wonder if they will wait for court to order then to release logs to riaa, or if they grap opportunity and negotiace some nice $$$ for list (like 0.01 cent per user per file log). Riaa would be happy to get REAL evidence from good sources
Im more than ever assured, that open source p2p clients are the way to go... long live eMule (btw: ed2k/kad IS slow but also more reliable by order of magnitude than any other network)
-- im not german nor native english speaker.
In software there as idea that problem for which is pattent solution should be presented to groups of skilled programers who have week to find solution. If one of concepts they come up with is close to patent concept, its is dismissed, otherwise it should be granted as non trivial and inovative. (Example: someone tries to patent classical fulltext search as "way to retrieve all data based on simple keyword". programers/engineers get task to find way how to "way to retrieve all data based on simple keyword" - one of them comes out with idea that you can preprocess all data ,extract possible keywords and pair then with data, then make search on them and not data. Which is exactly how patent proposed it to do. Other will simply dig on goole and will find working implementation. RESULT: no patent)
+ they will sometimes generate obscure and new ideas woth of further exploration. this could be werry challenging job and good way to get renome.
- human factor is too high - should someone sponzor whole team to make them lazy about ideas, there is no way it could work.
Sorry, but few brave sites don't make difference to me. Theyll be shut down soon enought, no matter how they laugh. riaa will simply force peers stop peering with their ISP. money can do a lot thnings
... whole mechanics of torrent download is made to ensure that .torrent file you gout somewhere so you are sure you are loading legal/ilegal material thus noone can spit out "i didnt know what i was downloading, thus im incocent" bullshit
And torrent was MADE with intention distribute LEGAL material
1] Host (Trackes) is easily indetificable and shut down should someone wish to do it thus killing all donwloads
2] File is verified upon downloading and you download using
3] there is zero privacy a no attempts to hide users are viable.
thus making it perfect for distros etc, but impractical for illegal stuff
Y know, greatest offensive on whole torrent sites is for me that it devalues torrent as legal way to distribute files and that IT GOES AGAINST WISHES AND INTENTIONS OF ITS CREATOR (sorry for caps, but its important)
thus based on above i as avid downloaders and p2per say that illegal torrents are dying, are destined to die and should die
--- this is to damned ot now
Well ... if you are looking for better client or network, is suggest eMule (not that bittorrent is bad but it is dying and winmx is not exactly eficient)
c gi ?l=1
.
http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.
Who would want closed source client for filesharing anyway?
I mean - even if it has no spyware compoments, one can never be sure how it works (and how easy it is to spy upon your downloading habbits). Not mentioning possibility of court ordering to shut down network (is is possible with fasttrack?) and stop distributing client (no updates, except shadowy ones from klite scamers) or to log all downloads/uploads and post them to riaa (can you illegal downloaders imagine finding bill for items you downloaded each month in your mail?)
Opensource here is way - unstoplable, legally usually nonexistent (who the hell is responsible for client? project starter - but hes not arround for several years. one of current devs? of past ones? or everyone? or nobody?), it easy for unnamed dev to pickup flag and comtinue fight
-- hope not being ot
not that there is nothing scarry about Myxrosoft ... :]