I'm sure that they will never need to know history, math or have the ability to use pencils to write in cursive either.
Your kind of destructive critisim is the reason that people are dumb. People should be encouraged to learn and tinker, not be pigeonholed into tools that are constricting.
The more you've been exposed to the better off you are. It's like computer racism.
Are you just trolling? This LARGE COST that you speak of is no larger then what you would to have paid for a license for the same product in MS land.
If a user is truely clueless about computers, and can't RTFM, then 9 times out of 10 they are having one of their knowledgable friends do the real work for them anyways.
Or get the writers to produce stuff that is worth paying for. It's a hard road, but someone has to want to read the stuff they write.
It's kinda to problem with the internet, since the barrier to entry is so low, you get the stuff that couldn't be published anywhere else because the barrier to entry was higher.
for those guys too lazy to walk and too single to need to be able to transport more then themselves.
If you have anything other then an infant ( and a baby backpack) it's useless to carry around your family with. I mean even if they make a version for 5 year olds, you won't be ableto cruise along with it because the children (won't someone please think of them ) won't be able to go as fast.
Computer scientists need to get their heads out of their asses before doom preaching so much. Believe it or not, if the system were to 'collapse' due to computer error, people would be smart enough to not kill each other in a violent bloodbath. People might not respect computer people anymore, but at least we wouldn't all kill each other and destroy society.
Computers are important, but the rest of the world that doesn't work with then 24x7 like many of the people here on/. realise that they are just tools and could probably survive without them. Though the normal person might not be able to watch as much TV, but is that really so bad?
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-892836.html This article says it's only 125Watts, so just a little bit more. What can I say, IBM is always one step ahead of Intel.
But seriously, Intel wants normal people to buy these things. And this is just the processor, not to mention the HD, CDROM, motherboard, video card etc... Adds up to a lot of power. Not many people are going to be using the Power4 that uses 125 watts, Apple is using the lower power version AFAIK.
Basically, you have all these different units for doing math in the CPU, and if one thread is only using say the interger units and another thread want to do float-point math, then the processor can actually let both run at the same time by scheduling the instructions properly. Normally, is one thread was all interger and one thread was all floating point, then the CPU would have to do a context switch to be able to run one type of instruction or the other.
It's a little more complex then that, but it's more then just holding one app in the hole. But yeah, for those running FPU intensive appls like seti, while doing normal stuff should see less slowdown.
if you read the article they say that it can use up to 100 watts of power when you are using the chip to the utmost. That's a lot of power. Much more then the AMDs. Anyone else think that's a little extreme? I mean I'm all for more speed, but cost aside, this seems to be a huge factor in actually getting one of these systems. You also have to get a new motherboard.
For server applications it's not as useful because you can't build dense systems. Since server applications are by their very nature more multithreaded then workstation, I would imageine that they would get much hotter. You'd need a lot more cooling. Also, don't the chips SLOW DOWN automatically when they get too hot, thus negating any increase in speed you might get from them.
Notice that the new heat sink is larger as well.
Not trying to bash it, but it seems like the older chips are still going to be better until they get this whole heat issue under control. I run my system almost 24x7 like I'm sure many people on/. do so I think that running a system all the time (with SETI or whatnot) would be expensive.
How do copyright laws help the poor? I agree that in america the 'poor' are not really that poor, but how does copyright laws help the people who are so poor to even produce anything.
I really don't think that all entertainment should be free but rather that people who produce entertainment should get paid for producing it, not sitting on their asses and getting paid for nothing. I respect the street performer much more then the hollywood producer, the people performing plays and live shows are way better then people like R. Kelly who spend most of the time in the studio. So yeah, I'm biased. I think that people need to think more for themselves. It's sad that in a country as rich as america that all most people want to do is sit around, watch TV and play video games. Basically do everything they can to not think about what is going on outside their 10x 12 cell.
If you copy a movie, and you wouldn't have gone to see it anyway, that's a bit of a problem. Why did you copy the movie? Obviously you must have wanted to see it. Therefore it has value. *bzzzt*. I never said that the movie didn't have any value. That would be foolish, I'm saying that digital technology makes the cost to copy much smaller then it has been in the past. I think that this is widely regarded as true, before the internet and computers, it was impossiable to get a movie on demand, now you can get many titles within a couple of hours by using p2p. If there was a was to setup a legal server with a bunch of movies, then it would be very close to instant. We have the technology, just not the legality.
What the hell does the creator of Who's the Bosses need/want for a new BMW have to do with the value of his work? They are totatly unrelated, if he produces good work, and conviences people to pay him, then he can buy his car. But me feeling like I should pay him just because? I don't get it.
If you create a piece of art, there is no rule that you MUST let people see it. In fact you don't have to do anything with it at all. That is control, not releasing it to the public. The act of movie/music/etc.. distribution, by its very nature means that you as the artist are giving up control of your work. People who you don't like will watch your movie, they will misintrepret your music and they will misread your words. You may say that's fine, just as long as they don't make any money off the hard work, blood and sweat of the creator of the work? Well even if they don't directly rip you off, they will work within the system we have created to steal your ideas. Which is how it should be, ideas should not be locked in a cage by any system. Which is why I don't like any sort of IP protection.
The whole reason for copyright protection is to prevent technology from 'stopping' people from writing/creating new works of art correct? To make sure that if someone wants to make the next matrix, seinfield, LOtR, mary kate and ashley olsen , brittiney spears, n'sync, or whatever, they will be compensated 'correctly' for their 'hard work'. Maybe you're right and these people deserve to be treated like gods for creating something so unique, so precious, so undenyably great that if you even think of going against their wills, and copying it, then you could be thrown in jail (yes, in jail where people who murder and rape also go). Or at least fined, because well you're stealing moneys from rock stars and that makes baby jesus cry.
With people like you arguing that we should be protecting the rights of the publishers (because they are the ones with the copyrights), it's no wonder that the Disney act was passed.
feh, I'm done arguing this topic. Maybe I'm talking to deaf ears.
you're still brain washed. Maybe someday you'll realize that when you copy information that you don't lose value, but rather value is created. Didn't anyone teach you about the magic penny? Next you're going to say that people shouldn't read books from the public library or something.
Digital information turns normal economics upside down, making what was scare now common. Since value is based on scarcity, it changes the way we must think about things.
people are brain washed to think that every time you steal a movie it makes baby jesus cry or some such nonsense. Like you are actually going over to the director's house and taking their prized collection of porn and candy everytime you watch a pirated movie.
I'm much worse then a pirate, I just simply don't watch TV. Don't see many movies, and try to buy as few cd's as possiable. All the music, tv, and movies that they try to get you to buy, if you don't even want them you are stealing potential revenue from the movie makers just like a pirate.
Am I the only one who sees that? If you think that pirating a movie is just like stealing, then remember that NOT WATCHING IT is almost the same. There are plenty of 'free' sources of entertainment (public libraries, going outside, talking to people).
No they will mod you down! You made fun of the anime that all the kid dorks are into these dayz (as is the style of the time). I mean come on, don't take yourself so seriously that you can't take a joke. Everything looks the same at the first glance, only after repeated exposure can you tell the difference between anything. Since most people don't watch anime, it's hard to tell what is what.
Though you have to admit that sometimes they do pan a long time on some of those pictures. I mean come on would it really be THAT hard to draw another frame of animation?
because it's true... I mean aren't all anime shows about a magical super hyper gender chalenged robot killing machine with a heart of gold with guns the size of texas who solves mysteries by hacking into the net while thwarting the forces that are bent on destroying humanity as we know it? Oh yeah, and there's got to be a sidekick, probably a sexxy 16-year old girl with guns the size of texas;) Don't forget that there will only be about 4 or five actual pictures for this whole half hour show, they will just pan back and forth over the same pictures with dialog.
Ok, first off AGP is an Accelerated Graphics Port. Notice that it is a PORT not a Bus. This means that in order to have more then one AGP Port, you would have to have more then one PCI bus. Since all the implementations of AGP share with the PCI control functions. It would be very difficult to just simply add more then one AGP port to the PC system, little things like the operating system would need to be updated, it's not like a simple bios tweak can handle it. There are already many problems with the current agp system. I'm sure some ofyou remember the whole fiasco with AMD and the AGP GART system tweak that was causing Linux to crash, but not Windows because AMD told MS to shut it off. Anyway, I too would like multiple AGPs on my motherboard, but it would take more then a smart vendor to make it a reality. Intel designed the AGP as a stopgap, temporary solution for the lowest common denominator. And it still works well if you only need one monitor.
The real problem is that web pages are not designed with prefetching in mind as you said. The browser has no idea which pages are important and which are not. Unless you could right click on a link and have it be prefetched... but in that case I just middle click it and mozilla opens it in another tab, and I go back to reading the first page while the second loads. That works well for me. Maybe if there was a system for auto-downloading all the site's content ahead of time. So you could have an intelligent browser go and download whole sites for offline viewing and archival purposes.
It would be so nice to be able to save a website to disk and view it offline. But in reality it only kinda works.
The ultimate mobile processor should have a power saving mode that runs slower and won't burn your lap. My main prob with laptops is that you can no longer use them on your lap. They run too hot. This is of course due to the CPU, RAM and hard drive (maybe cdrom if spinning). But the CPU is on the most and runs the hottest of all those. They only put 4200 or 5400 rpm HDs in those machines so the HD can't get as hot as the CPU seems to get. Course it should also have a mode that burns through the case, but gets you those extra fragging frames on Q3:)
What about a button to manually prefetch links on pages that you like? Not all pages should have their pages prefetched. For the advanced users, for the normal people it should be auto -on - or off.
Which is fine if that's all you want from a computer. You make a certain amount of tradeoffs in order to get a mac. That's the ways it was, and always will be.
PC's may not always work, but they're cheap and upgradeable. However, notice that Gateway and Dell are trying to get people to buy Mac-like computers. They are much cheaper then the Mac, but they are still not upgradeable.
it all sounds good, but until we get more info from the big blue, it's hard to tell. There are too many other factors to consider. One being is that many applications just don't run on the PPC. Since they are x86 only. So it doesn't matter how much potential speedup it may get if nobody writes for it.
The good things about this chip from the press release IMO are A. Higher clock speeds.
B. More bandwidth.
The 5 issue superscaler stuff is neat from an engineer's point of view, but for most people, even the programmers, they should ignore it and assume that it's just really fast.
Compared to the Workstation PPCs out there right now, this has much more memory bandwidth. Which is good because it means that you should be able to process larger models in LW or Maya faster. (Assuming you have the RAM, DUH)
Faster clocks with the potential for even faster clocks is always good as it means that they will be able to hopefully make the processor incremently faster without having to redesign the whole thing. Which is what Intel did with the P3->P4.
Basically the processor is trying to compensate for crappy software and this is the newest idea for compensation. They're just changing the bottlenecks for the system again. Nothing new really.
Is is better then a x86 chip? Maybe. Wait till it comes out.
Yeah, but apple makes the hardware, so your point is mmot since invalidating the hard ware is good for apple, while MS doesn't own the PC platform from the hardware perspective and has nothing to gain by making it all invalid.
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I'm sure that they will never need to know history, math or have the ability to use pencils to write in cursive either.
Your kind of destructive critisim is the reason that people are dumb. People should be encouraged to learn and tinker, not be pigeonholed into tools that are constricting.
The more you've been exposed to the better off you are. It's like computer racism.
Are you just trolling? This LARGE COST that you speak of is no larger then what you would to have paid for a license for the same product in MS land.
If a user is truely clueless about computers, and can't RTFM, then 9 times out of 10 they are having one of their knowledgable friends do the real work for them anyways.
they should pay the writers less?
Or get the writers to produce stuff that is worth paying for. It's a hard road, but someone has to want to read the stuff they write.
It's kinda to problem with the internet, since the barrier to entry is so low, you get the stuff that couldn't be published anywhere else because the barrier to entry was higher.
for those guys too lazy to walk and too single to need to be able to transport more then themselves.
If you have anything other then an infant ( and a baby backpack) it's useless to carry around your family with. I mean even if they make a version for 5 year olds, you won't be ableto cruise along with it because the children (won't someone please think of them ) won't be able to go as fast.
Please, the real doom of humanity is plaid.
/. realise that they are just tools and could probably survive without them. Though the normal person might not be able to watch as much TV, but is that really so bad?
Computer scientists need to get their heads out of their asses before doom preaching so much. Believe it or not, if the system were to 'collapse' due to computer error, people would be smart enough to not kill each other in a violent bloodbath. People might not respect computer people anymore, but at least we wouldn't all kill each other and destroy society.
Computers are important, but the rest of the world that doesn't work with then 24x7 like many of the people here on
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-892836.html
This article says it's only 125Watts, so just a little bit more. What can I say, IBM is always one step ahead of Intel.
But seriously, Intel wants normal people to buy these things. And this is just the processor, not to mention the HD, CDROM, motherboard, video card etc... Adds up to a lot of power. Not many people are going to be using the Power4 that uses 125 watts, Apple is using the lower power version AFAIK.
Actually it's a little more advanced that that.
Basically, you have all these different units for doing math in the CPU, and if one thread is only using say the interger units and another thread want to do float-point math, then the processor can actually let both run at the same time by scheduling the instructions properly. Normally, is one thread was all interger and one thread was all floating point, then the CPU would have to do a context switch to be able to run one type of instruction or the other.
It's a little more complex then that, but it's more then just holding one app in the hole. But yeah, for those running FPU intensive appls like seti, while doing normal stuff should see less slowdown.
if you read the article they say that it can use up to 100 watts of power when you are using the chip to the utmost. That's a lot of power. Much more then the AMDs. Anyone else think that's a little extreme? I mean I'm all for more speed, but cost aside, this seems to be a huge factor in actually getting one of these systems. You also have to get a new motherboard.
/. do so I think that running a system all the time (with SETI or whatnot) would be expensive.
For server applications it's not as useful because you can't build dense systems. Since server applications are by their very nature more multithreaded then workstation, I would imageine that they would get much hotter. You'd need a lot more cooling. Also, don't the chips SLOW DOWN automatically when they get too hot, thus negating any increase in speed you might get from them.
Notice that the new heat sink is larger as well.
Not trying to bash it, but it seems like the older chips are still going to be better until they get this whole heat issue under control. I run my system almost 24x7 like I'm sure many people on
How do copyright laws help the poor? I agree that in america the 'poor' are not really that poor, but how does copyright laws help the people who are so poor to even produce anything.
I really don't think that all entertainment should be free but rather that people who produce entertainment should get paid for producing it, not sitting on their asses and getting paid for nothing. I respect the street performer much more then the hollywood producer, the people performing plays and live shows are way better then people like R. Kelly who spend most of the time in the studio. So yeah, I'm biased. I think that people need to think more for themselves. It's sad that in a country as rich as america that all most people want to do is sit around, watch TV and play video games. Basically do everything they can to not think about what is going on outside their 10x 12 cell.
If you copy a movie, and you wouldn't have gone to see it anyway, that's a bit of a problem. Why did you copy the movie? Obviously you must have wanted to see it. Therefore it has value. *bzzzt*.
I never said that the movie didn't have any value. That would be foolish, I'm saying that digital technology makes the cost to copy much smaller then it has been in the past. I think that this is widely regarded as true, before the internet and computers, it was impossiable to get a movie on demand, now you can get many titles within a couple of hours by using p2p. If there was a was to setup a legal server with a bunch of movies, then it would be very close to instant. We have the technology, just not the legality.
What the hell does the creator of Who's the Bosses need/want for a new BMW have to do with the value of his work? They are totatly unrelated, if he produces good work, and conviences people to pay him, then he can buy his car. But me feeling like I should pay him just because? I don't get it.
If you create a piece of art, there is no rule that you MUST let people see it. In fact you don't have to do anything with it at all. That is control, not releasing it to the public. The act of movie/music/etc.. distribution, by its very nature means that you as the artist are giving up control of your work. People who you don't like will watch your movie, they will misintrepret your music and they will misread your words. You may say that's fine, just as long as they don't make any money off the hard work, blood and sweat of the creator of the work? Well even if they don't directly rip you off, they will work within the system we have created to steal your ideas.
Which is how it should be, ideas should not be locked in a cage by any system. Which is why I don't like any sort of IP protection.
The whole reason for copyright protection is to prevent technology from 'stopping' people from writing/creating new works of art correct? To make sure that if someone wants to make the next matrix, seinfield, LOtR, mary kate and ashley olsen , brittiney spears, n'sync, or whatever, they will be compensated 'correctly' for their 'hard work'. Maybe you're right and these people deserve to be treated like gods for creating something so unique, so precious, so undenyably great that if you even think of going against their wills, and copying it, then you could be thrown in jail (yes, in jail where people who murder and rape also go). Or at least fined, because well you're stealing moneys from rock stars and that makes baby jesus cry.
With people like you arguing that we should be protecting the rights of the publishers (because they are the ones with the copyrights), it's no wonder that the Disney act was passed.
feh, I'm done arguing this topic. Maybe I'm talking to deaf ears.
you're still brain washed. Maybe someday you'll realize that when you copy information that you don't lose value, but rather value is created. Didn't anyone teach you about the magic penny? Next you're going to say that people shouldn't read books from the public library or something.
Digital information turns normal economics upside down, making what was scare now common. Since value is based on scarcity, it changes the way we must think about things.
people are brain washed to think that every time you steal a movie it makes baby jesus cry or some such nonsense. Like you are actually going over to the director's house and taking their prized collection of porn and candy everytime you watch a pirated movie.
I'm much worse then a pirate, I just simply don't watch TV. Don't see many movies, and try to buy as few cd's as possiable. All the music, tv, and movies that they try to get you to buy, if you don't even want them you are stealing potential revenue from the movie makers just like a pirate.
Am I the only one who sees that? If you think that pirating a movie is just like stealing, then remember that NOT WATCHING IT is almost the same. There are plenty of 'free' sources of entertainment (public libraries, going outside, talking to people).
No they will mod you down! You made fun of the anime that all the kid dorks are into these dayz (as is the style of the time). I mean come on, don't take yourself so seriously that you can't take a joke. Everything looks the same at the first glance, only after repeated exposure can you tell the difference between anything. Since most people don't watch anime, it's hard to tell what is what.
Though you have to admit that sometimes they do pan a long time on some of those pictures. I mean come on would it really be THAT hard to draw another frame of animation?
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because it's true... I mean aren't all anime shows about a magical super hyper gender chalenged robot killing machine with a heart of gold with guns the size of texas who solves mysteries by hacking into the net while thwarting the forces that are bent on destroying humanity as we know it? Oh yeah, and there's got to be a sidekick, probably a sexxy 16-year old girl with guns the size of texas ;)
Don't forget that there will only be about 4 or five actual pictures for this whole half hour show, they will just pan back and forth over the same pictures with dialog.
Actually the AGP is a side band, which means that it has a seperate line for the data transfer. But it still shares some signals over the PCI.
Maybe he's almost blind from all the radiation comming off of the 3 20 inch monitors he's got on the desk?
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Or maybe he's just an american, probably drives an SUV too.
Ok, first off AGP is an Accelerated Graphics Port. Notice that it is a PORT not a Bus. This means that in order to have more then one AGP Port, you would have to have more then one PCI bus. Since all the implementations of AGP share with the PCI control functions. It would be very difficult to just simply add more then one AGP port to the PC system, little things like the operating system would need to be updated, it's not like a simple bios tweak can handle it. There are already many problems with the current agp system. I'm sure some ofyou remember the whole fiasco with AMD and the AGP GART system tweak that was causing Linux to crash, but not Windows because AMD told MS to shut it off.
Anyway, I too would like multiple AGPs on my motherboard, but it would take more then a smart vendor to make it a reality. Intel designed the AGP as a stopgap, temporary solution for the lowest common denominator. And it still works well if you only need one monitor.
The real problem is that web pages are not designed with prefetching in mind as you said. The browser has no idea which pages are important and which are not.
Unless you could right click on a link and have it be prefetched... but in that case I just middle click it and mozilla opens it in another tab, and I go back to reading the first page while the second loads. That works well for me.
Maybe if there was a system for auto-downloading all the site's content ahead of time. So you could have an intelligent browser go and download whole sites for offline viewing and archival purposes.
It would be so nice to be able to save a website to disk and view it offline. But in reality it only kinda works.
or the person with the screaming baby in the theater.
Babies do not belong in movie theaters! You have to be able to sit down and shut up for at least 2 hours.
Which some 20+ year olds have problems with I know, but at least you can prosecute them. There isn't a jury alive that will convict a baby.
The ultimate mobile processor should have a power saving mode that runs slower and won't burn your lap. My main prob with laptops is that you can no longer use them on your lap. They run too hot. This is of course due to the CPU, RAM and hard drive (maybe cdrom if spinning). But the CPU is on the most and runs the hottest of all those. They only put 4200 or 5400 rpm HDs in those machines so the HD can't get as hot as the CPU seems to get. :)
Course it should also have a mode that burns through the case, but gets you those extra fragging frames on Q3
What about a button to manually prefetch links on pages that you like? Not all pages should have their pages prefetched. For the advanced users, for the normal people it should be auto -on - or off.
Yes, you can feel low frequency. Bass can actually shake you while high freq ~20k is hard to feel.
Also, loud high sounds damage your hearing faster than loud low sounds.
Which is fine if that's all you want from a computer. You make a certain amount of tradeoffs in order to get a mac. That's the ways it was, and always will be.
PC's may not always work, but they're cheap and upgradeable. However, notice that Gateway and Dell are trying to get people to buy Mac-like computers. They are much cheaper then the Mac, but they are still not upgradeable.
it all sounds good, but until we get more info from the big blue, it's hard to tell. There are too many other factors to consider. One being is that many applications just don't run on the PPC. Since they are x86 only. So it doesn't matter how much potential speedup it may get if nobody writes for it.
The good things about this chip from the press release IMO are
A. Higher clock speeds.
B. More bandwidth.
The 5 issue superscaler stuff is neat from an engineer's point of view, but for most people, even the programmers, they should ignore it and assume that it's just really fast.
Compared to the Workstation PPCs out there right now, this has much more memory bandwidth. Which is good because it means that you should be able to process larger models in LW or Maya faster. (Assuming you have the RAM, DUH)
Faster clocks with the potential for even faster clocks is always good as it means that they will be able to hopefully make the processor incremently faster without having to redesign the whole thing. Which is what Intel did with the P3->P4.
Basically the processor is trying to compensate for crappy software and this is the newest idea for compensation. They're just changing the bottlenecks for the system again. Nothing new really.
Is is better then a x86 chip? Maybe. Wait till it comes out.
Yeah, but apple makes the hardware, so your point is mmot since invalidating the hard ware is good for apple, while MS doesn't own the PC platform from the hardware perspective and has nothing to gain by making it all invalid.