Okay, so explain, why does now M$ require a multimillion fine and court rulings to "share" protocol specs with others ? On the other hand, no, please don't.
The gist of his argument appears to be his claim of lack of accountability among distributors,
Mmkay, M$'s could be held accountable for Windows' lackings in security and loads of holes and bugs in their software. But it doesn't change anything, does it. Don't start cleaning somebody else's porch until yours is the biggest mess.
Who is accountable for the security of the Linux kernel? Does Red Hat, for example, take responsibility? It cannot, as it does not produce the Linux kernel. It produces one distribution of Linux.
Yet, even redhat has provided countless app. and security fixes over the years. And, for the record, accountable for the security of the Linux kernel ? Well, that is a question, isn't it. Didn't know that was such a problem even M$ cares about. Oh, and by the way, who can be held accountable for the nt series kernel (about which nobody can have a clue what it contains) ? No, don't mention any names please, my prayers already contain a quite long list of names.
Linux is not ready for mission-critical computing. There are fundamental things missing. For example, there is no single development environment for Linux as there is for Microsoft, neither is there a single sign-on system.
I need to take my pills to stop my laughing spasms. Okay, let's educate ourselves. For one, would be a good homework assingment for some student to find out what o.s.'s were used in the first let's say 10 years of computer controlled systems which could be labeled mission critical. Then, Kylix and Kdevelop are both fully R&D envorinments (I deliberately don't mention "smaller" stuff) from hello world to gui development all integrated. Then regarding Passport thing, that's really awkward to reference, since everybody and the neighbor's dog is dumping it all over the place it being good for nothing useful on this earth.
There a myth in the market that there are hundreds of thousands of people writing code for the Linux kernel. This is not the case; the number is hundreds, not thousands
:D Okay, now we all are convinced how superior Microsoft products are:D My world changed from ground up after reading this sentence, really:D These guys really have to be working hard to make such arguments:)
There are very few of the improvements that come through the wider community. There are more skilled developers writing for the Microsoft platform than for open source
Now that's it. When you don't know anything else to do, go offend openly every developer who dares to do FOSS work.
Why the hell was that modded "interesting", if not that for someone on/. knows who Schopenhauer is - well, no proof even for that since it's a fortune citing - ?
No, wait, we love them now, so we like "slobber over windows" now:] On the other side, if you can smell the "fuck windows" process... now that's wierd:D:D:D
Oh come on, you most certainly know that people (not you or me or us, but real people, the joesixpacks and the rest few hundred million out there) can very quickly have a change of mind in matters like these, the average people can very easily be convinced about anything. Hey, the whole advertising trade was built on that.
Besides anything else, nobody should worry about M$'s marketing decisions. They proved to be working for them, no matter what people bring up regarding ethics, policies, or whatever else. Proved it a few dozen billion times in dollar coins.
when did M$ learn anything from their mistakes before
What did they learn ? Most probably something like: hey, whatever and however we screw up (or not), money keeps a'pouring. Let's go get some beer.
You could run "netstat -a" and get 0 results, try that on XP, 2K, or even Linux.
Oh well, just another ignorant reference, and amateur trial of useless comparison with Linux. You obviously never heard of xinetd, did you.
There are many thousands of Linux boxes out there which run dozens of services internally or intranet-ally which you couldn't ever access or even know they are available on that remote box.
Only a prick, or someone whole heartedly against FOSS development and community would say anything even remotely close to this.
If a company makes sources available only to allow others to freely improve it then the company profiting from the free work of others, but not allowing them to use either the original or the improved version in any ways even close to FOSS, then that is something that we should damn well care about.
If the further developed sources would remain in the hands of the people who worked on it to use them following the ways of FOSS and GPL, that would be good indeed. But this is absolutely not the case here.
They just seek free labor and at the same time try to make themselves appear good guys standing on FOSS people's side. Which - in this move at least - they don't.
You know, signs like these can also mean the beginning of the end in the lifecycle of a company. Cash cow anyone ? And like the story goes, high market share is not a guarantee in itself.
Funny how's that got mod to funny. These days, I guess, it's just fashionable to pity the good old days. Not that many years ago (and I mean not that many, I'm myself under 30 for a few more years) I remember quite well how I used lynx on a regular, well, everyday basis. And it was good. After you had known, mastered, even exploited all the quirks and peculiarities, it was quite good. Then came links, which was even better.
Well, I clearly also remember that after my first experience with IE (knowing Netscape for a while before that) I very heavily felt the urge to go back to my lynx days, that's for sure.
Now what's the stuff that matters ? That there are sysadmins who don't even know what the darn lynx is, better, send the police on some poor guy.
May the holiness of doom's frag eat all those despising lynx:P
In Jef Raskin's world, a world that will undoubtedly become everyone's world someday
I like good ideas. I like good thinking. I like good implementations.
I don't like when somebody tells me about something being in its (not so early) infancy that this will be your way of doing things. Let me decide that one. Thanks.
Reading the news, than the article, it seems nobody ever saw any app which would have happened to have OpenGL-based interface [i.e. GUI]. Okay, I help, think Blender.
It is good there are people who are open minded enough to see through the cloud and recognize usabiltities and applicabilities of provided tools. But come on, don't hype it for this reason.
You can hype the gpgpu idea though, which is a very nice way to go for these kinds of applications (too). [Although using the GPU for other tasks then drawing doom3 is mostly revolutionary for the joesixpacks out there. Lotsa many conference papers dealing with the matter popped out mostly in recent 1-2 years.]
Of course, if everyone who uses Linux were to donate the cost of a winXP home license to a needy cause, that would be sensational.
Woo, woo, stop right there. So those who drop their cash to MS are saved (badly formulated, you get the point), those who don't donate to those in need ? Quite disturbed thinking you got, indeed. Instead, let those who drop their cash to MS take it to donations and use Linux instead, how would you like that one ? I guess not much.
It's good to see those who have Everest-high piles of cash spend a bit to the well-being of those in need. Be it Gates, or anybody else, it's good.
Alas, saying things like Let's see if the Linux community can match his generosity. is just plain stupid. No, moron. No, retarded. Well, takea pick and double it.
The New Standard Keyboard (from the link) - pretty bold for a keyboard that looks more like spearmint bubblegum than anything useful.
who value user-friendliness over standardization - please teach me, how would that make (many different layout "standards") using keyboard easier. It's all just a metter of getting used to, and many people can type quite fast to say the least on qwerty keyboards. Now if you had to learn the darn board all over again for the different layouts (well, they say users will value such diversity) that would probably make many of us just insane.
I agree, ther are some people, mostly non-professional, home-users, who probably will get such stuff, and sing odes about them. Well, "good" side-effects of a large market.
keys are arranged alphabetically - And that is at least one thing (besides the junky toy look of course:)) ) that I most surely would not want under my fingers.
Now, that;s not paranoid, just plain stupid. Just imagine, early in the morning, quickly checking mail before tumbling out the door going to work, and I mistype 1 character: bamm, type again, mistype 1 character again: bamm, type again,... [later:] bamm, fracking puter lands on the sidewalk.
Why would someone do such a thing to oneself, being sane to a very minimal extent ? Buy a darn iris scanner, or fingerprint authentication stuff, whatever floats your boat. But 30 chars to type just to get into your spyware-house ? Get a life.
Regarding the main question, i.e. being paranoid: one can efficiently and effectively protect even a Windows PC without becoming, well, posessed.
Believe it or not, there are some people here, who know their trade. Maybe you do too, noone can know, you being a freaking AC.
And your "they are not similar" smells so bad like a two-moon dead badger's arse.
I know quite a lot about h.264/mpeg4-avc, read, saw, tried. Also seen wmv10 perform, but - quite unsurprisingly - don't know about its inner workings. Still, I have very little doubt that wmv10 is not substantially different. "They are not similar" is way goofy.
Besides "Your post is incorrect" you also could've just also said you have a working cure for AIDS.
Well, reading the standard, then implementing one's own decoder would be legal - naah, quite a dreamworld. Would be good if it were so, it even would be logical to quite an extent, unless you like waking up by smelling patent litigation papers.
I mean, get lost, telling us this is better than GPG won't make us run and start use this stuff. Easier to use for joesixpacks ? You mean taking GPG-key-control out of their hands and doing it in the background with some mail application ? No thanks. I know GPG, I trust GPG, I use it with many OSes and with many different applications, very easily, for both signing and encrypting. As many thousand of other people do. So you'd better think some really better arguments there, than in those linked articles.
So, yes, it does seem a fracking uselessly mistyped/misknown/miswrote/misthought way to express oneself. But that is changed now, because some people with too much time on their hands think it is a new form of expression and this is the way the English language is changing. So now we are supposed to treat these insentient ideas as the new ways ? Bahh, get lost.
That doesn't work [i.e. your "argument"]. We're talking about visualization tools here. For example, few weeks back I needed a way to visually represent 2D+1D motion (being 2D+time) in a good and usable way and ended up with coding my own visualization tool with OpenGL which suits my needs now. Why ? 'Cause I didnt' find a tool to do it with in a few hours (beign quite well at home both in linux and windows development and graphical tools also). So I understand their way of going.
/* for the record: I never post AC and I don't know who that was - and yes, I'm on my monthly trolling spree, treat it as such */
So let's see:
- has used Linux exclusively for over a decade. He was the first to apply the open source methodology of Linux to non-software works
- My background is literature and philosophy, which has brought the advantage of perspective
- Forty years ago the United States was the greatest producer society in the world. What happened in that interval and how does it relate to Linux?
- an arrangement with the publisher, I typeset the book using only free software on Linux
- Our cities are decaying and dangerous. The implications for the younger generation are terrifying. But with Linux, we could turn all of that around!
Interesting ? Yes, a way to put it. Well, for these kinds of books it's most advantageous to have such a huge consumer base a in the U.S., to put it mildly. I for one would use the amount of cash for most, well, useful things.
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if MS had not embraced these protocols,
Okay, so explain, why does now M$ require a multimillion fine and court rulings to "share" protocol specs with others ? On the other hand, no, please don't.
The gist of his argument appears to be his claim of lack of accountability among distributors,
:D Okay, now we all are convinced how superior Microsoft products are :D My world changed from ground up after reading this sentence, really :D These guys really have to be working hard to make such arguments :)
Mmkay, M$'s could be held accountable for Windows' lackings in security and loads of holes and bugs in their software. But it doesn't change anything, does it. Don't start cleaning somebody else's porch until yours is the biggest mess.
Who is accountable for the security of the Linux kernel? Does Red Hat, for example, take responsibility? It cannot, as it does not produce the Linux kernel. It produces one distribution of Linux.
Yet, even redhat has provided countless app. and security fixes over the years. And, for the record, accountable for the security of the Linux kernel ? Well, that is a question, isn't it. Didn't know that was such a problem even M$ cares about. Oh, and by the way, who can be held accountable for the nt series kernel (about which nobody can have a clue what it contains) ? No, don't mention any names please, my prayers already contain a quite long list of names.
Linux is not ready for mission-critical computing. There are fundamental things missing. For example, there is no single development environment for Linux as there is for Microsoft, neither is there a single sign-on system.
I need to take my pills to stop my laughing spasms. Okay, let's educate ourselves. For one, would be a good homework assingment for some student to find out what o.s.'s were used in the first let's say 10 years of computer controlled systems which could be labeled mission critical. Then, Kylix and Kdevelop are both fully R&D envorinments (I deliberately don't mention "smaller" stuff) from hello world to gui development all integrated. Then regarding Passport thing, that's really awkward to reference, since everybody and the neighbor's dog is dumping it all over the place it being good for nothing useful on this earth.
There a myth in the market that there are hundreds of thousands of people writing code for the Linux kernel. This is not the case; the number is hundreds, not thousands
There are very few of the improvements that come through the wider community. There are more skilled developers writing for the Microsoft platform than for open source
Now that's it. When you don't know anything else to do, go offend openly every developer who dares to do FOSS work.
You're just like one of those freaking retards who think the internet is that cute little blue "e" icon down there.
You didn't intend to be flamebait ? That go the hell out there and get a cure for your ignorance.
Why the hell was that modded "interesting", if not that for someone on /. knows who Schopenhauer is - well, no proof even for that since it's a fortune citing - ?
I am quite astonished, honestly.
No, wait, we love them now, so we like "slobber over windows" now :] On the other side, if you can smell the "fuck windows" process... now that's wierd :D :D :D
Oh come on, you most certainly know that people (not you or me or us, but real people, the joesixpacks and the rest few hundred million out there) can very quickly have a change of mind in matters like these, the average people can very easily be convinced about anything. Hey, the whole advertising trade was built on that.
Besides anything else, nobody should worry about M$'s marketing decisions. They proved to be working for them, no matter what people bring up regarding ethics, policies, or whatever else. Proved it a few dozen billion times in dollar coins.
when did M$ learn anything from their mistakes before
What did they learn ? Most probably something like: hey, whatever and however we screw up (or not), money keeps a'pouring. Let's go get some beer.
You could run "netstat -a" and get 0 results, try that on XP, 2K, or even Linux.
Oh well, just another ignorant reference, and amateur trial of useless comparison with Linux. You obviously never heard of xinetd, did you.
There are many thousands of Linux boxes out there which run dozens of services internally or intranet-ally which you couldn't ever access or even know they are available on that remote box.
That said, you're right.
People should stop caring so much about this
Only a prick, or someone whole heartedly against FOSS development and community would say anything even remotely close to this.
If a company makes sources available only to allow others to freely improve it then the company profiting from the free work of others, but not allowing them to use either the original or the improved version in any ways even close to FOSS, then that is something that we should damn well care about.
If the further developed sources would remain in the hands of the people who worked on it to use them following the ways of FOSS and GPL, that would be good indeed. But this is absolutely not the case here.
They just seek free labor and at the same time try to make themselves appear good guys standing on FOSS people's side. Which - in this move at least - they don't.
to steal our good American [...] movies
Joke of the day. Hey, btw, if they stole only "your" "good" movies, lotsa batndwidth could be saved. No, many times'a lotsa.
You know, there are other places out there besides US and freezing hell.
You know, signs like these can also mean the beginning of the end in the lifecycle of a company. Cash cow anyone ? And like the story goes, high market share is not a guarantee in itself.
I'm not suggesting M$ is on this way though.
Funny how's that got mod to funny. These days, I guess, it's just fashionable to pity the good old days. Not that many years ago (and I mean not that many, I'm myself under 30 for a few more years) I remember quite well how I used lynx on a regular, well, everyday basis. And it was good. After you had known, mastered, even exploited all the quirks and peculiarities, it was quite good. Then came links, which was even better.
:P
Well, I clearly also remember that after my first experience with IE (knowing Netscape for a while before that) I very heavily felt the urge to go back to my lynx days, that's for sure.
Now what's the stuff that matters ? That there are sysadmins who don't even know what the darn lynx is, better, send the police on some poor guy.
May the holiness of doom's frag eat all those despising lynx
Media Player Classic (get it HERE) can play your .mov's without nagging. You don't even have to install, just unzip and run.
In Jef Raskin's world, a world that will undoubtedly become everyone's world someday
I like good ideas. I like good thinking. I like good implementations.
I don't like when somebody tells me about something being in its (not so early) infancy that this will be your way of doing things. Let me decide that one. Thanks.
Reading the news, than the article, it seems nobody ever saw any app which would have happened to have OpenGL-based interface [i.e. GUI]. Okay, I help, think Blender.
It is good there are people who are open minded enough to see through the cloud and recognize usabiltities and applicabilities of provided tools. But come on, don't hype it for this reason.
You can hype the gpgpu idea though, which is a very nice way to go for these kinds of applications (too). [Although using the GPU for other tasks then drawing doom3 is mostly revolutionary for the joesixpacks out there. Lotsa many conference papers dealing with the matter popped out mostly in recent 1-2 years.]
Of course, if everyone who uses Linux were to donate the cost of a winXP home license to a needy cause, that would be sensational.
Woo, woo, stop right there. So those who drop their cash to MS are saved (badly formulated, you get the point), those who don't donate to those in need ? Quite disturbed thinking you got, indeed. Instead, let those who drop their cash to MS take it to donations and use Linux instead, how would you like that one ? I guess not much.
It's good to see those who have Everest-high piles of cash spend a bit to the well-being of those in need. Be it Gates, or anybody else, it's good.
Alas, saying things like Let's see if the Linux community can match his generosity. is just plain stupid. No, moron. No, retarded. Well, takea pick and double it.
The New Standard Keyboard (from the link) - pretty bold for a keyboard that looks more like spearmint bubblegum than anything useful.
:)) ) that I most surely would not want under my fingers.
who value user-friendliness over standardization - please teach me, how would that make (many different layout "standards") using keyboard easier. It's all just a metter of getting used to, and many people can type quite fast to say the least on qwerty keyboards. Now if you had to learn the darn board all over again for the different layouts (well, they say users will value such diversity) that would probably make many of us just insane.
I agree, ther are some people, mostly non-professional, home-users, who probably will get such stuff, and sing odes about them. Well, "good" side-effects of a large market.
keys are arranged alphabetically - And that is at least one thing (besides the junky toy look of course
30 character password
... [later:] bamm, fracking puter lands on the sidewalk.
Now, that;s not paranoid, just plain stupid. Just imagine, early in the morning, quickly checking mail before tumbling out the door going to work, and I mistype 1 character: bamm, type again, mistype 1 character again: bamm, type again,
Why would someone do such a thing to oneself, being sane to a very minimal extent ? Buy a darn iris scanner, or fingerprint authentication stuff, whatever floats your boat. But 30 chars to type just to get into your spyware-house ? Get a life.
Regarding the main question, i.e. being paranoid: one can efficiently and effectively protect even a Windows PC without becoming, well, posessed.
:)) You're quite right :) Oh, btw, where the hell have I put my tiger resistant rock ? :]
Believe it or not, there are some people here, who know their trade. Maybe you do too, noone can know, you being a freaking AC.
And your "they are not similar" smells so bad like a two-moon dead badger's arse.
I know quite a lot about h.264/mpeg4-avc, read, saw, tried. Also seen wmv10 perform, but - quite unsurprisingly - don't know about its inner workings. Still, I have very little doubt that wmv10 is not substantially different. "They are not similar" is way goofy.
Besides "Your post is incorrect" you also could've just also said you have a working cure for AIDS.
Well, reading the standard, then implementing one's own decoder would be legal - naah, quite a dreamworld. Would be good if it were so, it even would be logical to quite an extent, unless you like waking up by smelling patent litigation papers.
I mean, get lost, telling us this is better than GPG won't make us run and start use this stuff. Easier to use for joesixpacks ? You mean taking GPG-key-control out of their hands and doing it in the background with some mail application ? No thanks. I know GPG, I trust GPG, I use it with many OSes and with many different applications, very easily, for both signing and encrypting. As many thousand of other people do. So you'd better think some really better arguments there, than in those linked articles.
"It does ? ... It does." [Partridge@Equilibrium]
So, yes, it does seem a fracking uselessly mistyped/misknown/miswrote/misthought way to express oneself. But that is changed now, because some people with too much time on their hands think it is a new form of expression and this is the way the English language is changing. So now we are supposed to treat these insentient ideas as the new ways ? Bahh, get lost.
That doesn't work [i.e. your "argument"]. We're talking about visualization tools here. For example, few weeks back I needed a way to visually represent 2D+1D motion (being 2D+time) in a good and usable way and ended up with coding my own visualization tool with OpenGL which suits my needs now. Why ? 'Cause I didnt' find a tool to do it with in a few hours (beign quite well at home both in linux and windows development and graphical tools also). So I understand their way of going.
/* for the record: I never post AC and I don't know who that was - and yes, I'm on my monthly trolling spree, treat it as such */
So let's see:
- has used Linux exclusively for over a decade. He was the first to apply the open source methodology of Linux to non-software works
- My background is literature and philosophy, which has brought the advantage of perspective
- Forty years ago the United States was the greatest producer society in the world. What happened in that interval and how does it relate to Linux?
- an arrangement with the publisher, I typeset the book using only free software on Linux
- Our cities are decaying and dangerous. The implications for the younger generation are terrifying. But with Linux, we could turn all of that around!
Interesting ? Yes, a way to put it. Well, for these kinds of books it's most advantageous to have such a huge consumer base a in the U.S., to put it mildly. I for one would use the amount of cash for most, well, useful things.