Thanks for pointing this out....I had no idea the TRIPS Agreement or Doha Declaration existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... (although it looks like Doha hasn't been passed yet, at least according to Wikipedia).
So if a single-payer doesn't like the price Mylan is paying, they can essentially just declare it an "emergency" and issue a license to anyone else to make an Epipen without the threat of patent theft?
"I'll pay this much and no more. Take it or leave it."
So if the company says "we'll leave it", do the people who are being refused treatment raise hell about it? Or does this not happen with any frequency?
I also fail to see how a single-payer somewhere in Europe or elsewhere could nationalize a company based in the U.S. like Mylan.
The government is also free not to cover your product, and can negotiate a better deal with your competitor.
What happens when there is no competitor (as in the case of deflazacort)? Does the government just not pay for the drug and tell it's citizens "sorry, it cost to much"?
I'm not try to criticize the single-payer approach, I'm genuinely curious about how this is handled.
I had actually just finished reading this on Ars before coming here to see it at the top of the page. The summary leaves out a very important detail.
Sanofi is suing Mylan claiming that their underhanded attempts cost them business. While that may be true, I think that this may have a more severe impact on their sales:
"In 2015, Sanofi pulled Auvi-Q following quality control issues. The device has since been put back on the market by another pharmaceutical company, Kaléo. The list price of the newly released Auvi-Q is set at $4,500."
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this seems wrong based off the rest of your post:
1.) A United States Citizen declaring war on the United States. Where's that goddam manifesto? The last time that happened was the Civil War when the Confederacy committed treason.
This guy was convicted of treason in WW2, by aiding the Germans (who declared war on the U.S., who then returned it in kind). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So, what is the failure about the Obama economy? Do you object to the massive deficit reduction? The decrease in unemployment? The millions of people who could finally afford health care? The growth of the economy as a whole?
Or maybe that more people have heath care, but fewer people can afford it, and it's way more expensive? http://time.com/money/4503325/...
There's many ways to gauge the success of the economy, and you can't pin it all on just a few metrics. It's also easy to show growth when you start at the bottom (granted is also hard to keep from from digging yourself deeper).
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this thread. I've followed some of your' comments on here before, and we may have have public disagreements on things, but thanks for keeping things civil.
Everything you said is true, but this part is more complicated than that:
To suggest people pack up and move isn't insulting, it's unfortunately common sense given the circumstances
Who is going to help cover the cost of this? It sucks that people throw a fit when we deny entry to illegal aliens, but won't lift a finger to help these folks.
It's a shame more people don't realize this, as evidenced by the multiple posts on here suggesting that people need to relocate. I've lived all over the country, but I've spent the majority of my life here in Louisiana and I'd like to stay here.
The majority of the folks affected by this live in areas such as Plaquemines, Terrebone, and Lafourche parishes aren't rich by any means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... They were born here; to suggest that they just pack up and move is pretty short-sighted and somewhat insulting.
The other part of this that's frustrating is that there isn't a simple engineering solution to fix this. The levee system, while keeping urban areas from flooding, prevents sediment build-up that would restore some of the coast line. Even nutria rats are partially responsible for the eroding coast.
Until programmers organize into a National or International union
This always comes up and I still don't see how it could work.
There's a small software company based down the hall from me that has about 30 people, of whom maybe a dozen are developers. If the company tried to pull a stunt like this with them, how would the "International Brotherhood of Programmers" step into help them? Would they get be able to get all the developers at all software shops in the world to strike in solidarity? Hardly. They'd have a hard time even trying to get the Developers in the same industry to strike.
Unions excel at backing up unskilled workers in industries that have little to no competition, and the skills that they do have aren't applicable outside of their given industry (governments, automobile assembly workers, telephone linemen). I don't think that Developers fit into that mold.
I really enjoyed the recent TV treatment of Westworld on HBO. I thought the science was pretty good; I had never heard of the Bicameral Mind until it was mentioned early in the season. I spent a few hours reading up on it afterwards and was intrigued by the premise.
The TV treatment of The Expanse is well done also. Sure the CGI and special affects aren't big budget, but they don't have to be to convey the story.
But at the same time you got lucky, with the allocation determined by lottery. Would you be saying that it worked as designed if you weren't as lucky in the allocation?
Wouldn't you feel better about not the theoretical physicist not having to compete with the Infosys Hep Desk guys?
I know people much poorer than you that blow their money in stupid ways
This is completely anecdotal, but shortly after Hurricane Katrina hit and people started getting their FEMA money, the jewelry shops here in Louisiana were bombarded with orders for gold teeth.
People on this site seem to be under the delusion that only rich 1%'s do this. They just can't grasp that someone at the bottom 1% can be just as greedy as Mr. Burns.
The Marion Correction Institution is not a privately run prison. It's owned and operated by the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Your point may still stand that it's for-profit, but it's not run by some faceless corporation.
I doubt Uber can be the cause of the decline, but I also doubt that marijuana use is the cause also. New York State only started to allow medical marijuana early last year, and only if it's in extracts or edible. http://extract.suntimes.com/in...
I wouldn't think the number of people who started using medical marijuana would have an effect on the number of drunk drivers.
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Thanks for pointing this out....I had no idea the TRIPS Agreement or Doha Declaration existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
(although it looks like Doha hasn't been passed yet, at least according to Wikipedia).
So if a single-payer doesn't like the price Mylan is paying, they can essentially just declare it an "emergency" and issue a license to anyone else to make an Epipen without the threat of patent theft?
"I'll pay this much and no more. Take it or leave it."
So if the company says "we'll leave it", do the people who are being refused treatment raise hell about it? Or does this not happen with any frequency?
I also fail to see how a single-payer somewhere in Europe or elsewhere could nationalize a company based in the U.S. like Mylan.
True enough, but I'd imagine that Sanofi has no one to blame for quality control issues besides themselves.
The government is also free not to cover your product, and can negotiate a better deal with your competitor.
What happens when there is no competitor (as in the case of deflazacort)? Does the government just not pay for the drug and tell it's citizens "sorry, it cost to much"?
I'm not try to criticize the single-payer approach, I'm genuinely curious about how this is handled.
I had actually just finished reading this on Ars before coming here to see it at the top of the page. The summary leaves out a very important detail.
Sanofi is suing Mylan claiming that their underhanded attempts cost them business. While that may be true, I think that this may have a more severe impact on their sales:
"In 2015, Sanofi pulled Auvi-Q following quality control issues. The device has since been put back on the market by another pharmaceutical company, Kaléo. The list price of the newly released Auvi-Q is set at $4,500."
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but this seems wrong based off the rest of your post:
1.) A United States Citizen declaring war on the United States. Where's that goddam manifesto? The last time that happened was the Civil War when the Confederacy committed treason.
This guy was convicted of treason in WW2, by aiding the Germans (who declared war on the U.S., who then returned it in kind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Or how about Axis Sally?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Above all, keep it fun
So he does that by suggesting that by people who create DRM need to be jailed?
He's never going to win the hearts and minds if he keeps at it.
Yeah I was as shocked by this as you. I've had them for about 10 years, and I can count the number of downtime hours on one hand.
Fast speeds, a very high data cap (which doesn't appear to be aggressively enforced), and awesome customer service.
The really crazy part is that they rate Cox just below Charter.
Why does this guy have such low karma? This post explains exactly why it's taking so long for any type of criminal charges.
I wonder if she was (is) a true believer, did she con everybody else or also herself?
I used to wonder that myself, but if they were in fact using fake demonstrations for potential investors, then she was part of the con.
So, what is the failure about the Obama economy? Do you object to the massive deficit reduction? The decrease in unemployment? The millions of people who could finally afford health care? The growth of the economy as a whole?
Maybe the stagnant wages?
http://www.tradingeconomics.co...
Or maybe that more people have heath care, but fewer people can afford it, and it's way more expensive?
http://time.com/money/4503325/...
There's many ways to gauge the success of the economy, and you can't pin it all on just a few metrics. It's also easy to show growth when you start at the bottom (granted is also hard to keep from from digging yourself deeper).
Thanks for bringing some sanity to this thread. I've followed some of your' comments on here before, and we may have have public disagreements on things, but thanks for keeping things civil.
I guess you missed the part of my post where I said that most of these folks were born in that area.
For all those folks in Syria, why should I have to pay for them to relocate? They chose to live there!
Everything you said is true, but this part is more complicated than that:
To suggest people pack up and move isn't insulting, it's unfortunately common sense given the circumstances
Who is going to help cover the cost of this? It sucks that people throw a fit when we deny entry to illegal aliens, but won't lift a finger to help these folks.
It's a shame more people don't realize this, as evidenced by the multiple posts on here suggesting that people need to relocate. I've lived all over the country, but I've spent the majority of my life here in Louisiana and I'd like to stay here.
The majority of the folks affected by this live in areas such as Plaquemines, Terrebone, and Lafourche parishes aren't rich by any means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
They were born here; to suggest that they just pack up and move is pretty short-sighted and somewhat insulting.
The other part of this that's frustrating is that there isn't a simple engineering solution to fix this. The levee system, while keeping urban areas from flooding, prevents sediment build-up that would restore some of the coast line. Even nutria rats are partially responsible for the eroding coast.
Until programmers organize into a National or International union
This always comes up and I still don't see how it could work.
There's a small software company based down the hall from me that has about 30 people, of whom maybe a dozen are developers. If the company tried to pull a stunt like this with them, how would the "International Brotherhood of Programmers" step into help them? Would they get be able to get all the developers at all software shops in the world to strike in solidarity? Hardly. They'd have a hard time even trying to get the Developers in the same industry to strike.
Unions excel at backing up unskilled workers in industries that have little to no competition, and the skills that they do have aren't applicable outside of their given industry (governments, automobile assembly workers, telephone linemen). I don't think that Developers fit into that mold.
identify at least one specific mental task that works better under the influence of each experimental substance
Is there a specific mental task that works better under the influence of a placebo? :-)
Westworld (1973) was also pretty good.
I really enjoyed the recent TV treatment of Westworld on HBO. I thought the science was pretty good; I had never heard of the Bicameral Mind until it was mentioned early in the season. I spent a few hours reading up on it afterwards and was intrigued by the premise.
The TV treatment of The Expanse is well done also. Sure the CGI and special affects aren't big budget, but they don't have to be to convey the story.
Sounds like it was working as designed.
But at the same time you got lucky, with the allocation determined by lottery. Would you be saying that it worked as designed if you weren't as lucky in the allocation?
Wouldn't you feel better about not the theoretical physicist not having to compete with the Infosys Hep Desk guys?
There is a difference between fantasy and real life. Accept that.
Careful. The legal world has refused to accept that. Fantasizing about kiddie porn is illegal.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2...
Okay I understand what you were getting at....biology from an age perspective, not a sexual-urge perspective.
Not that I agree that having children is a good idea....there are plenty enough to go around already.
I know people much poorer than you that blow their money in stupid ways
This is completely anecdotal, but shortly after Hurricane Katrina hit and people started getting their FEMA money, the jewelry shops here in Louisiana were bombarded with orders for gold teeth.
People on this site seem to be under the delusion that only rich 1%'s do this. They just can't grasp that someone at the bottom 1% can be just as greedy as Mr. Burns.
They could just not have kids, but again biology makes that difficult and a risk most people are willing to take.
How does biology prevent proper usage of contraceptives?
The Marion Correction Institution is not a privately run prison. It's owned and operated by the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Your point may still stand that it's for-profit, but it's not run by some faceless corporation.
Yeah I guess I missed the humor in your post. After all, it was modded +4 Interesting instead of +5 Funny :-)
I doubt Uber can be the cause of the decline, but I also doubt that marijuana use is the cause also. New York State only started to allow medical marijuana early last year, and only if it's in extracts or edible.
http://extract.suntimes.com/in...
I wouldn't think the number of people who started using medical marijuana would have an effect on the number of drunk drivers.