Also, If it wasn't for SunOS (what's now Solaris, afaik), Linus Torvalds would have never even written the Linux kernel. In fact, if you watch Revolution OS (old I know, but good), and read "Just For Fun" you'll learn that one of, if not *THE* main reason he started on Linux was that he wanted, on his 386 home PC, an environment similar to the SunOS Workstations the Uni. of Helsinki used at the time. Since he did not have the finances for a SPARC/SunOS box, and being the nerd/computer science major he was, he decided to write his own.
Therefore, if SunOS/Solaris had not been written/created, Linux may surely have not either. And we may have had to wait for the GNU Hurd. =)
OpenOffice.org was what happened when Sun released most of the source code (except for third-party stuff that they were not allowed) to what was at the time StarOffice (5.1, IIRC).
LWM's senior contributing analyst, Bill Claybrook, spoke with John Loiacono, executive vice president of Sun Microsystem's Software Group about his new job, and what he has in store for Sun's Linux strategy.
Q: You replaced Jonathan Schwartz several months ago as Sun's software leader. Jonathan was very visible. Is this the way you are going to do it? A: In my previous job as VP of Sun's operating platforms group, I was more visible than over the past few months simply because we were making some changes internally regarding implementation strategy. Not the strategy itself, but how we were going to get things done, and how we were going to deploy some of the things that we had been talking about.
Jonathan is a great visionary and paints a good picture, and he hired me to make sure that things happen. Now we are making some course corrections, not changes. Course corrections are how we are going to get things done, and when I've solidified what that is I'll be back to communicate it. I'm doing a bit of navel staring right now because I'm actually focused on the operation itself: the partners, the sales force that we are revamping, and the infrastructure that we are putting in place to roll out the things we've been working on. You'll see a change when I get out on the road; I'll be more visible.
Q: Sun is going through the process of adapting itself to disruptive technology such as Linux. In terms of Linux, how is Sun going about this? A: There are two different questions that you have asked, maybe three. What is Sun's viewpoint on open source? What is Sun's viewpoint on Linux? What is Sun's viewpoint on Red Hat? Sun was founded on the principle of open source. We have contributed more lines of open source code than any other entity on the planet except for Cal Berkeley. By the way, Bill Joy was one of the founders of Sun and was instrumental in the BSD work that took place at Cal Berkeley. NetBeans, Sun Grid Engine, OpenOffice, and Solaris are all technologies that use the open source process, and we will continue to do so. We'll remain a heavy contributor on the open source front, and it will remain a key component of how we develop software.
People don't realize today that a huge portion of Solaris is open source. For example, today we use GNOME as our desktop environment. We use Mozilla. We have integrated Apache. We have SAMBA. All of these pieces of software are a part of Solaris today. Some people think that open source is new to Sun and that we don't get it. We are a pioneer.
Q: What's your viewpoint on Linux? A: We firmly believe that Linux (server and desktop) is an x86/AMD phenomenon. We believe that this will continue. Understanding that it does run on other architectures, that 99% of the volume generated in the Linux space is on x86. We think that Linux will continue to be a big player, including on the desktop where people are concerned about cost and want an alternative to Windows. Linux is something that we'll have to interoperate with because it may exist far beyond whatever Solaris turns out to be. We are in favor of Linux. We think that the Linux movement is great and that the open source process is great. We are leveraging open source in our software stack where it makes sense. However, we also believe that there are certain vendors in the Linux camp that are running away with Linux.
When it all started there was a level playing field. The level playing field has tilted and the numbers manifest it. We are a Red Hat licensee. We will continue to offer Red Hat on our price list. But Red Hat has the vast majority of the market share. In fact, if you listen to the quotes that came out recently from ISVs, they're saying that it's just Red Hat. This is certainly true in the U.S. and in markets such as financial services. In markets outside the U.S., Novell/SUSE is a player primarily in Europe. But beyond Red Hat and Novell/SUSE, it's challenging to find another Linux distributor who is a serious player. There is Debian, Mandrake, Red Flag, and Yello
This is definitely cool. More and more companies supporting GNU/Linux. So are they also going to starts shipping it on their notebook/laptop computers ala HP?
The thing about open-source projects is that they place much more QA into the hands of their users and other developers. If you don't file a bug report, it wil never get fixed.
Microsoft Windows (XP Pro) : ~$399 A bigger hard drive, faster processor, and more RAM to be able to hold all that bloat: ~$450 Installing GNU/Linux and never again having to worry about virii, adware, and spyware: priceless.
However, this book does not give you a specific distro for installation. Instead, Marcel chose to include a branded copy of Knoppix, the CD-bootable Linux.
So it is giving you a specific distro to play around with: it's giving you Debian GNU/Linux. In fact, you can do a HD install of it and have a fully functional Debian system with OO.o, Moz, and other things installed fairly quickly.
I'm just wondering why, with Evoltuion 2.0, they're shipping GNOME 2.6, rather than GNOME 2.8, which has much better MIME-type handlingand is smoother and more integrated as a DE...
Slashdot Mirror
w00t
Also, If it wasn't for SunOS (what's now Solaris, afaik), Linus Torvalds would have never even written the Linux kernel. In fact, if you watch Revolution OS (old I know, but good), and read "Just For Fun" you'll learn that one of, if not *THE* main reason he started on Linux was that he wanted, on his 386 home PC, an environment similar to the SunOS Workstations the Uni. of Helsinki used at the time. Since he did not have the finances for a SPARC/SunOS box, and being the nerd/computer science major he was, he decided to write his own. Therefore, if SunOS/Solaris had not been written/created, Linux may surely have not either. And we may have had to wait for the GNU Hurd. =)
OpenOffice.org was what happened when Sun released most of the source code (except for third-party stuff that they were not allowed) to what was at the time StarOffice (5.1, IIRC).
LWM's senior contributing analyst, Bill Claybrook, spoke with John Loiacono, executive vice president of Sun Microsystem's Software Group about his new job, and what he has in store for Sun's Linux strategy.
Q: You replaced Jonathan Schwartz several months ago as Sun's software leader.
Jonathan was very visible. Is this the way you are going to do it?
A: In my previous job as VP of Sun's operating platforms group, I was more visible than over the past few months simply because we were making some changes internally regarding implementation strategy. Not the strategy itself, but how we were going to get things done, and how we were going to deploy some of the things that we had been talking about.
Jonathan is a great visionary and paints a good picture, and he hired me to make sure that things happen. Now we are making some course corrections, not changes. Course corrections are how we are going to get things done, and when I've solidified what that is I'll be back to communicate it. I'm doing a bit of navel staring right now because I'm actually focused on the operation itself: the partners, the sales force that we are revamping, and the infrastructure that we are putting in place to roll out the things we've been working on. You'll see a change when I get out on the road; I'll be more visible.
Q: Sun is going through the process of adapting itself to disruptive technology such as Linux. In terms of Linux, how is Sun going about this?
A: There are two different questions that you have asked, maybe three. What is Sun's viewpoint on open source? What is Sun's viewpoint on Linux? What is Sun's viewpoint on Red Hat? Sun was founded on the principle of open source. We have contributed more lines of open source code than any other entity on the planet except for Cal Berkeley. By the way, Bill Joy was one of the founders of Sun and was instrumental in the BSD work that took place at Cal Berkeley. NetBeans, Sun Grid Engine, OpenOffice, and Solaris are all technologies that use the open source process, and we will continue to do so. We'll remain a heavy contributor on the open source front, and it will remain a key component of how we develop software.
People don't realize today that a huge portion of Solaris is open source. For example, today we use GNOME as our desktop environment. We use Mozilla. We have integrated Apache. We have SAMBA. All of these pieces of software are a part of Solaris today. Some people think that open source is new to Sun and that we don't get it. We are a pioneer.
Q: What's your viewpoint on Linux?
A: We firmly believe that Linux (server and desktop) is an x86/AMD phenomenon. We believe that this will continue. Understanding that it does run on other architectures, that 99% of the volume generated in the Linux space is on x86. We think that Linux will continue to be a big player, including on the desktop where people are concerned about cost and want an alternative to Windows. Linux is something that we'll have to interoperate with because it may exist far beyond whatever Solaris turns out to be. We are in favor of Linux. We think that the Linux movement is great and that the open source process is great. We are leveraging open source in our software stack where it makes sense. However, we also believe that there are certain vendors in the Linux camp that are running away with Linux.
When it all started there was a level playing field. The level playing field has tilted and the numbers manifest it. We are a Red Hat licensee. We will continue to offer Red Hat on our price list. But Red Hat has the vast majority of the market share. In fact, if you listen to the quotes that came out recently from ISVs, they're saying that it's just Red Hat. This is certainly true in the U.S. and in markets such as financial services. In markets outside the U.S., Novell/SUSE is a player primarily in Europe. But beyond Red Hat and Novell/SUSE, it's challenging to find another Linux distributor who is a serious player. There is Debian, Mandrake, Red Flag, and Yello
Despite some claims to the contrary, IE6/Win's rendering of this page is not correct,
This is definitely cool. More and more companies supporting GNU/Linux. So are they also going to starts shipping it on their notebook/laptop computers ala HP?
otherwise known as the Slashdot Effect. =)
400 miles/sec on the freeway. fun stuff.
oh wait, wrong measurement....
They already are...
The thing about open-source projects is that they place much more QA into the hands of their users and other developers. If you don't file a bug report, it wil never get fixed.
Could it run embedded Linux? =)
cue the "gives a whole new meaning to BSoD" replies...
VNC == Virtual Network Computing
Basically allows you to do grahpical things and 'remote control' a computer over a network. You may want to read more about it on Wikipedia...
is pretty nice and it is very well integrated with the DE as a whole
How is it different, from say, putting Linux on the XBox and using something like MythTV?
GNOME again is usless stuff and whoever uses it in the business can't make serious business.
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Wrong. Novell's Ximian Desktop is completely GNOME-based. And you're telling me that can't make money for a huge company like Novell?
Microsoft Windows (XP Pro) : ~$399
A bigger hard drive, faster processor, and more RAM to be able to hold all that bloat: ~$450
Installing GNU/Linux and never again having to worry about virii, adware, and spyware: priceless.
However, this book does not give you a specific distro for installation. Instead, Marcel chose to include a branded copy of Knoppix, the CD-bootable Linux.
So it is giving you a specific distro to play around with: it's giving you Debian GNU/Linux. In fact, you can do a HD install of it and have a fully functional Debian system with OO.o, Moz, and other things installed fairly quickly.
Will 'fluid programmers' give new meaning to "flowchart"?"
No.
I'm just wondering why, with Evoltuion 2.0, they're shipping GNOME 2.6, rather than GNOME 2.8, which has much better MIME-type handlingand is smoother and more integrated as a DE...
,,,did you decide to develop C and write Unix using that rather than using an existing language such as Pascal, etc.?
...it looks like their webserver isn't F/OSS, otherwise it would have at least stood a chance against the /. effect...
The US Patent System actually worked correctly for a change!
has had it hardmasked in Portage since a week or two after its release. Too bad my computer is still compiling it ... ^_^