This is the same old argument that comes up, typically in piracy raid articles, where someone states "with all the $crime1 and $crime2 going on, I really want this happening!" Its faults are as follows:
1.) Laws are meant to be enforced. They were enforcing the law. If a law will not be enforced, why have the law?
2.) The argument assumes organizations are one-track minds that only operate on one task at a time. This is like saying "with all the desktop work that needs to be done, do we really need Linux kernel hackers writing more drivers for arcane hardware?" The illogic in the statement is obvious. Simply because a piracy raid took place does not mean 100% of all money and 100% of all resources were utilized in the execution of this one, single raid. The argument is a convenient dismission meant to distract the issue from the event that took place to some imagined flaw in the process of the organization--thereby shifting the label of wrongdoer from the guilty pirates to the guilty law enforcers.
Note that this flawed argument is also often used against Microsoft. "With all the security flaws out there, it's good to know they were working hard on a new version of Encarta!" The statement ignores that Microsoft is a multi-tiered organization made of several dozens of software groups.
3.) It's a distraction from the fact that what the people were doing was illegal and inethical. The law caught up with them.
...Slashdot is a Microsoft news portal? My point was that I thought this place was a Linux tech news site. In the past two years, it's been little more than a Microsoft-bash site, complete with false headlines and stories.
It seems your birthday was the only reason Slashdot posted an article about you this morning--everything else was all about Microsoft! I know, I hope Slashdot goes back to being a Linux site too, but it's all about page hits these days. Anti-social nerds love having nothing more than big forums to prove how right they think they are about something they hate. But I won't forget...Slashdot used to be a cool Linux tech news site, and you've have top billing on the front page. But not anymore.
This is the 4th or so Microsoft article posted in the past 12 hours. Isn't there any cool Linux news other than its birthday? I know OSTG's employees are desperate to bash competitors using a "tech news" site it happens to own, but this is just overkill. I'm bored when I load the front page, and it's "Microsoft Is Evil," "Microsoft Does Something Stupid Again," "More Made-Up Microsoft Woes For You To Laugh At," and "Linux's 13th Birthday!"
I think that's a silly argument. If they were brilliantly written and directed, people would LOVE that and be relieved. We're not as smarmy and critical as you make us out to be. We're just disappointed in some shitty prequel movies.
I said it was the biggest factor. Polls and studies have all shown this for decades. Yes, there are exceptions that derive from special circumstances, but the majority of political beliefs are based on upbringing. That's the point I was trying to make. It's the same with organized religion (to me, political parties and religions are the same).
In Slashdot's haste to obsessively bash Microsoft, they reposted the mistranslation article when the other one was still on the front page. It was removed after about 10 minutes. Here we see it appear yet again in a new form. Why? To meet the daily quota of "laugh at Microsoft", I guess.
Democratic presidential nominee Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) bikes along the Espalanade in Boston, Massachusetts, August 22, 2004. A veteran who has disputed Kerry's Vietnam war record admitted he did not have 'a single document' to prove Kerry fabricated reports of enemy fire that won him two medals. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)
This is horribly off-topic. But I just have to wonder, what's up with the unrelated bit of info at the end of the picture caption? It's Kerry riding a bike. "Here's Kerry riding a bike. Oh, the Swift Boat Veterans are wrong." Blech to liberal bias.
Dont need it. Bush looks bad enough to the world as it is.
Maybe if you believe what Michael Moore tells you.
The protesters arent heard on the News.
Yes, they are, and you're 100% wrong. It's really that simple. During the original war protests, you couldn't go a day without seeing full-on footage and media reports, day after day.
I bet so. If you count every employee, then of course news stations are liberal. The janitors are liberal. The beat writers are mostly liberal. Where it matters, though, the media organizations are very conservative.
No, they are not. Polls taken have already proven that the actual journalists--not the janitors and beat writers (snicker)--report themselves as liberals who voted for Gore in 2000.
The marketing department (which sits on the editorial boards of some News Organizations )is conservative. And most importantly, most of the major media companies have conservative CEO's and owners. Disney, News Corp., Warner. All have conservative leadership. Sure there are some random Teds, but most of the liberal tycoons (especially Ted) have been marginalized the past couple years.
Hollywood is the most liberal multi-billion dollar organization in existence. Your point crumbles into dust.
Um, because that is when his movie started getting major media publicity. You know, when the most people are listening.
ROFL. Right. Days before Cannes, Moore suddenly comes out accusing Disney of dropping him when Disney informed him that they wouldn't be distributing his film a whole year before, and it's just because "that's when people were listening." Why don't you just bend over and let Moore forcefeed you whatever he wants you to believe?
Do we erase freeways because tens of thousands of people die on them every year? No. Highway death is a gritty fact of life. So was 9/11. Dealing with something is one thing, erasing it is a whole different story.
Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with either the left or right wing. Your brain operates on bizarre, unrelated tangents even I find difficult to relate to.
Every organization has some sort of bias. What should he have named? I like the BBC for the same function personally.
You call PBS non-partisan. I point out PBS is very partisan. Suddenly you shrug it off as "every organization has bias." LOL. I'm sure you don't say the same when baselessly criticizing Fox News, right?
Oh, and thats a lot freaking better than conservatives calling dissenters unpatriotic?
Like Kerry's wife did, then subsequently denied to a reporter and told him to "shove it" when confronted with her lie?
I think its sick that conservatives are tearing apart Kerrys service anyway.
I bet you don't think it's sick when liberals tear apart Bush's service, or finance a multi-million dollar "documentary" to help pay for Moore's second mansion in upstate New York. No, I fully expect that you have a double standard when it comes to these things, because one side happens to align with your belief system. That, my friend, is called sheepish bias.
The only living man to actually see Kerrys actions has come out against the Swiftboat Group.
A complete lie, as usual. Let's conveniently not mention Van O'Dell, shall we? Next time, do your homework instead of believing what MoveOn.org tells you to believe.
With conservatives is all support your troops, unless one of them runs for president as a Democrat of course!
Funny, seeing as how Kerry voted against armor and supplies for our troops and came out smearing his fellow veterans after the war. Not what I call supporting your troops. Are you aware he actually went back after firefights and re-enacted the battles after fetching a video camera?
As usual, the liberal mantra of "oppressed dissension" is a paranoid lie invented to make Bush look bad.
Or how they pulled the Reagans?
The script for the movie was almost entirely falsified. They portrayed everybody in a negative light and even implied Reagan was completely senile. CBS pulled the show after fan complaints--the government didn't do a thing. CBS could have gone ahead and aired it if they wanted to. Fuck, man, Barabara Streisand's husband was playing Reagan!
Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
This is the most laughable claim in your list. Protesters were "barely heard?" Are you freaking kidding me? Every channel on TV aired protester opinions, all the newspapers--even a feature film "documentary" that made $100 million. There are endless liberal smear books on the market right now. You're completely lying, and you know it.
Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.
What this has to do with anything, I have no idea. Just a random jab for no reason.
Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
Most of the media is liberal, according to all the polls.
Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?
Yeah, it was dropped LAST YEAR. Moore was told about it way back in 2003. Gee, he brought it up right before Cannes as some sort of conspiracy, I wonder why?
Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
Another irrelevant lie. Not every history movie is ahistoric and highly pro-American. Not only have you not viewed every history movie, but I could list endless films that contradict your claim.
Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"
Care to cite a single example for this false claim?
Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?
What the FUCK does this have to do with the left OR the right wing? It was done out of sensitivity for 2,000 people being lost in New York. It's not a right-wing conspiracy to wipe out the twin towers in an episode of Friends. Jesus H. Christ.
Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?
"Honest and non-partisan way" = liberal or anti-American. PBS is well-known as a liberal station. You just demonstrated your bias, lol.
Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?
She didn't. Another complete lie. This is why liberals are frowned upon by the majority of the folks. It's not about issues anymore, it's about personal vitriol toward people you actually HATE because you disagree with them.
Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity.
Yet another complete lie. Care to cite a single quote or example?
Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?
Funny, since Comedy Central ran ads for Fahrenheit 9/11 an average of EVERY FIVE COMMERCIALS. John Stewart and Stephen Colbare are--you guessed it--self-proclaimed Democrats.
As a matter of fact, before every taping (as well as in interviews), Stewart always expresses his surprise that people view the Daily Show as a non-biased source of news analysis. It is not.
Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there!
Hollywood is liberal. This is common knowledge. A journalism poll showed that the majority of journalists are liberal.
Not only does the very KB article linked to state the very same thing, but you can monitor the process startup yourself if you decide to take off your anti-MS blinders. It's called reading comprehension skills. *shrug*
They were hardly called "liberal traitors." Nice hyperbole on your part. Nonetheless, they quickly responded that the Bush administration should actually wait and see the film--it criticizes the left more than the right. They are libertarians who despise both parties.
Apparently, the submitter hasn't read the response from the creators where they plainly state that they skewer the left more than they do the right. Even the trailer says as much.
Trey and Matt are libertarians who despise both Republicans and Democrats (and rightly so).
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He's saying it doesn't stand for "permission to pilfer." Seems he's saying its unrelated to piracy just like you are.
This is the same old argument that comes up, typically in piracy raid articles, where someone states "with all the $crime1 and $crime2 going on, I really want this happening!" Its faults are as follows:
1.) Laws are meant to be enforced. They were enforcing the law. If a law will not be enforced, why have the law?
2.) The argument assumes organizations are one-track minds that only operate on one task at a time. This is like saying "with all the desktop work that needs to be done, do we really need Linux kernel hackers writing more drivers for arcane hardware?" The illogic in the statement is obvious. Simply because a piracy raid took place does not mean 100% of all money and 100% of all resources were utilized in the execution of this one, single raid. The argument is a convenient dismission meant to distract the issue from the event that took place to some imagined flaw in the process of the organization--thereby shifting the label of wrongdoer from the guilty pirates to the guilty law enforcers.
Note that this flawed argument is also often used against Microsoft. "With all the security flaws out there, it's good to know they were working hard on a new version of Encarta!" The statement ignores that Microsoft is a multi-tiered organization made of several dozens of software groups.
3.) It's a distraction from the fact that what the people were doing was illegal and inethical. The law caught up with them.
Let's speculate on the speculation and ultimately conclude it's Microsoft's fault for absolutely no reason and with no evidence. And +5 we go!
...Slashdot is a Microsoft news portal? My point was that I thought this place was a Linux tech news site. In the past two years, it's been little more than a Microsoft-bash site, complete with false headlines and stories.
It seems your birthday was the only reason Slashdot posted an article about you this morning--everything else was all about Microsoft! I know, I hope Slashdot goes back to being a Linux site too, but it's all about page hits these days. Anti-social nerds love having nothing more than big forums to prove how right they think they are about something they hate. But I won't forget...Slashdot used to be a cool Linux tech news site, and you've have top billing on the front page. But not anymore.
This is the 4th or so Microsoft article posted in the past 12 hours. Isn't there any cool Linux news other than its birthday? I know OSTG's employees are desperate to bash competitors using a "tech news" site it happens to own, but this is just overkill. I'm bored when I load the front page, and it's "Microsoft Is Evil," "Microsoft Does Something Stupid Again," "More Made-Up Microsoft Woes For You To Laugh At," and "Linux's 13th Birthday!"
Just my opinion...feel free to disagree.
http://it.slashdot.org/it/04/07/31/0037210.shtml?t id=154&tid=128&tid=172
Marked "confidential" since 1999.
It was originally due out in the beginning of the year, then was delayed by several months.
Like that major hole in Firefox that was known for years and marked "confidential?"
And how do we all know Microsoft's engineering is medicore? Because +5 posts told you so?
I think that's a silly argument. If they were brilliantly written and directed, people would LOVE that and be relieved. We're not as smarmy and critical as you make us out to be. We're just disappointed in some shitty prequel movies.
I said it was the biggest factor. Polls and studies have all shown this for decades. Yes, there are exceptions that derive from special circumstances, but the majority of political beliefs are based on upbringing. That's the point I was trying to make. It's the same with organized religion (to me, political parties and religions are the same).
In Slashdot's haste to obsessively bash Microsoft, they reposted the mistranslation article when the other one was still on the front page. It was removed after about 10 minutes. Here we see it appear yet again in a new form. Why? To meet the daily quota of "laugh at Microsoft", I guess.
...is what you're raised to believe growing up. This study is bogus.
You didn't dispute a single thing I posted. All you said was, "B-but CEOs are conservative! Gotcha!" Hollywood is liberal. Get over it; move on.
Democratic presidential nominee Senator John Kerry (news - web sites) bikes along the Espalanade in Boston, Massachusetts, August 22, 2004. A veteran who has disputed Kerry's Vietnam war record admitted he did not have 'a single document' to prove Kerry fabricated reports of enemy fire that won him two medals. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)
This is horribly off-topic. But I just have to wonder, what's up with the unrelated bit of info at the end of the picture caption? It's Kerry riding a bike. "Here's Kerry riding a bike. Oh, the Swift Boat Veterans are wrong." Blech to liberal bias.
Dont need it. Bush looks bad enough to the world as it is.
Maybe if you believe what Michael Moore tells you.
The protesters arent heard on the News.
Yes, they are, and you're 100% wrong. It's really that simple. During the original war protests, you couldn't go a day without seeing full-on footage and media reports, day after day.
I bet so. If you count every employee, then of course news stations are liberal. The janitors are liberal. The beat writers are mostly liberal. Where it matters, though, the media organizations are very conservative.
No, they are not. Polls taken have already proven that the actual journalists--not the janitors and beat writers (snicker)--report themselves as liberals who voted for Gore in 2000.
The marketing department (which sits on the editorial boards of some News Organizations )is conservative. And most importantly, most of the major media companies have conservative CEO's and owners. Disney, News Corp., Warner. All have conservative leadership. Sure there are some random Teds, but most of the liberal tycoons (especially Ted) have been marginalized the past couple years.
Hollywood is the most liberal multi-billion dollar organization in existence. Your point crumbles into dust.
Um, because that is when his movie started getting major media publicity. You know, when the most people are listening.
ROFL. Right. Days before Cannes, Moore suddenly comes out accusing Disney of dropping him when Disney informed him that they wouldn't be distributing his film a whole year before, and it's just because "that's when people were listening." Why don't you just bend over and let Moore forcefeed you whatever he wants you to believe?
Do we erase freeways because tens of thousands of people die on them every year? No. Highway death is a gritty fact of life. So was 9/11. Dealing with something is one thing, erasing it is a whole different story.
Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with either the left or right wing. Your brain operates on bizarre, unrelated tangents even I find difficult to relate to.
Every organization has some sort of bias. What should he have named? I like the BBC for the same function personally.
You call PBS non-partisan. I point out PBS is very partisan. Suddenly you shrug it off as "every organization has bias." LOL. I'm sure you don't say the same when baselessly criticizing Fox News, right?
Oh, and thats a lot freaking better than conservatives calling dissenters unpatriotic?
Like Kerry's wife did, then subsequently denied to a reporter and told him to "shove it" when confronted with her lie?
I think its sick that conservatives are tearing apart Kerrys service anyway.
I bet you don't think it's sick when liberals tear apart Bush's service, or finance a multi-million dollar "documentary" to help pay for Moore's second mansion in upstate New York. No, I fully expect that you have a double standard when it comes to these things, because one side happens to align with your belief system. That, my friend, is called sheepish bias.
The only living man to actually see Kerrys actions has come out against the Swiftboat Group.
A complete lie, as usual. Let's conveniently not mention Van O'Dell, shall we? Next time, do your homework instead of believing what MoveOn.org tells you to believe.
With conservatives is all support your troops, unless one of them runs for president as a Democrat of course!
Funny, seeing as how Kerry voted against armor and supplies for our troops and came out smearing his fellow veterans after the war. Not what I call supporting your troops. Are you aware he actually went back after firefights and re-enacted the battles after fetching a video camera?
Who the freak said it was a good source of info?
The post I replied to, genius.
The parent mentio
George Bush and buddies *are* in the film. Watch the trailer.
No, he's not. Terry himself said so on Drudge's radio show as well as in the New York Daily News. I watched the trailer weeks ago.
As usual, the liberal mantra of "oppressed dissension" is a paranoid lie invented to make Bush look bad.
Or how they pulled the Reagans?
The script for the movie was almost entirely falsified. They portrayed everybody in a negative light and even implied Reagan was completely senile. CBS pulled the show after fan complaints--the government didn't do a thing. CBS could have gone ahead and aired it if they wanted to. Fuck, man, Barabara Streisand's husband was playing Reagan!
Or how dissenting voices regarding the Iraq invasion were barely heard?
This is the most laughable claim in your list. Protesters were "barely heard?" Are you freaking kidding me? Every channel on TV aired protester opinions, all the newspapers--even a feature film "documentary" that made $100 million. There are endless liberal smear books on the market right now. You're completely lying, and you know it.
Or how a Hollywood star is now the governor of California and a Republican.
What this has to do with anything, I have no idea. Just a random jab for no reason.
Or how media ownership is concentraed into the hands of a few vocal conservatives?
Most of the media is liberal, according to all the polls.
Or how F9/11 got dropped by Disney and was in "can't find a distributator" mode for a while?
Yeah, it was dropped LAST YEAR. Moore was told about it way back in 2003. Gee, he brought it up right before Cannes as some sort of conspiracy, I wonder why?
Or how every "history" movie (especially WWII) is ahistoric and highly pro-American. With the exception of Vietnam movies.
Another irrelevant lie. Not every history movie is ahistoric and highly pro-American. Not only have you not viewed every history movie, but I could list endless films that contradict your claim.
Or how the Pentagon will lend Hollywood any equipment they want but they get to edit the script for right-wing pro-military ahistory "patriotic correctness?"
Care to cite a single example for this false claim?
Or how TV was quick to digitally remove the twin towers from every skyline as not to upset anyone?
What the FUCK does this have to do with the left OR the right wing? It was done out of sensitivity for 2,000 people being lost in New York. It's not a right-wing conspiracy to wipe out the twin towers in an episode of Friends. Jesus H. Christ.
Or how shows that tackle history in an honest and non-partisan way only exist on PBS?
"Honest and non-partisan way" = liberal or anti-American. PBS is well-known as a liberal station. You just demonstrated your bias, lol.
Or how Malkin can go on TV and say Kerry shot himself for his medals?
She didn't. Another complete lie. This is why liberals are frowned upon by the majority of the folks. It's not about issues anymore, it's about personal vitriol toward people you actually HATE because you disagree with them.
Or how Anne Coulter can openly call Liberals treasonous and demand the deaths of muslims and coverting them to Xtianity.
Yet another complete lie. Care to cite a single quote or example?
Or how only a satiric comedy show (the Daily Show) can actually break and frame issues in a manner which isn't corporate media ass-kissing?
Funny, since Comedy Central ran ads for Fahrenheit 9/11 an average of EVERY FIVE COMMERCIALS. John Stewart and Stephen Colbare are--you guessed it--self-proclaimed Democrats.
As a matter of fact, before every taping (as well as in interviews), Stewart always expresses his surprise that people view the Daily Show as a non-biased source of news analysis. It is not.
Yeah, its pretty PC lefty out there!
Hollywood is liberal. This is common knowledge. A journalism poll showed that the majority of journalists are liberal.
You many know some liberals in the industry, bu
Bush isn't even in the film. Nice flamebait.
According to Terry and Matt, he's not even in it.
Not only does the very KB article linked to state the very same thing, but you can monitor the process startup yourself if you decide to take off your anti-MS blinders. It's called reading comprehension skills. *shrug*
Why on earth is this "flamebait?"
They were hardly called "liberal traitors." Nice hyperbole on your part. Nonetheless, they quickly responded that the Bush administration should actually wait and see the film--it criticizes the left more than the right. They are libertarians who despise both parties.
Apparently, the submitter hasn't read the response from the creators where they plainly state that they skewer the left more than they do the right. Even the trailer says as much.
Trey and Matt are libertarians who despise both Republicans and Democrats (and rightly so).