Religion is about the politics of faith, not necessarily about faith.
I would almost argue that "ethics", "morality", and other noble western ideas about interhuman behavior exist on their own as much as scientific fact and religious tenets.
That areligious people can be just as ethical or moral as the most pious Christian is my proof. Jerry Falwell and Robert Jones are the most obvious counter-proofs.
No, Newton's Laws of Motion match data at a given scale. At smaller scales, Quantum Mechanics rule. At larger scales (i.e., intergalactic distances), we're still not sure, but assuming that Newtonian mechanics scales up when it does not also scale down is probably not a safe assumption...
In my QM class, we talked about the deBroglie wavelength of a human-sized object. it's 10^-38 meters or something. Sure, there is a probability that you or I could walk through a wall via quantum tunnelling. But it is *exceedingly* small.
When churches also start presenting evolution as part of God's order, then perhaps schools can bring in Judeo-Christian creationism. But if they do that, then by fairness, they should also bring in as many other religios ideas of the creation mythology: Greek is obvious, but there are a bunch of similar-but-different Native American versions that have NOTHING to do with the Judeo-Christian view. Oh, I forgot. They're just a bunch of brown-skinned pagans.
And quite often (most notably on the TV bible personalities) versus are quoted directly from the bible and presented as fact, or as the absolute authority on which to base your actions.
Sorry, every Christian church sermon has at least one biblical reference to it (taken out of context, of course).
Kids believe in the tooth fairy, easter bunny, santa claus, etc. They (along with the help of grownups who foster these beliefs...) believe them to be "facts", and most are crushed when they learn the "truth" about them eventually.
"Religion demands adherence without proof"? Until we have another "Lazarus", it could be said that there is no proof in "life after death", and strict adherence to this is...well...
Religion is used to deny truth. Tell me again why a woman cannot be a Catholic priest, or why confession needs to be told to a priest.
How, exactly, are these cities in Louisiana to take a gun to one BellSouth and "arrest" it?
They can't. The city can certainly do it to you, one way or another (funny, your car gets a parking ticket even when parked in a non-metered space to "Son, did you know your brake light is *smash* broken?"
Again, it comes down to the ILECs should be forced to choose: are we service providers, or are we infrastructure providers.
What will things be like when SBC and Qwest own 95% of the ILEC business in the US?
Now, I wonder what would happen in Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc., if the local telcoop (Billings, MT, for example, is not serviced by an ILEC, but by a local phone coop) that are under the same underhanded, tricky-dicky actions by the ILECs who don't serve the state, who have no interest in serving the state, but merely wish to see any "competition" go away?
What if, instead, the communities in LA decided to do something, like pump a bunch of softmoney (i.e., tax credits, long-term contracts, etc.) with a local startup telco co-op, and "eminent domain" the already installed infrastructure from the telcos, and instead of a POTS telephone infrastructure they just replaced it with VOIP?
The co-op could then get its next-up connections from L3, MCI, SBC, AT&T, etc...
Just watch early slow-motion films of water drops landing on water. With the rebound peak on the moon/planet/whatnot, it seems that it cooled fast enough during the rise to not fall completely back in on the way down, relative to the macro-level viscosity of the material in the disturbance.
Well, how evil exactly were the old Caribbean pirates of yore?
Sure, they were not paragons of any society. Dregs, really.
But of all that gold and silver that was flowing back to Europe from Central and South America, who mined it? The natives or slaves.
Could the activities of the classical Pirate be looked at then as slightly, romantically ahead of their time? The long-term actions of the Pirates certainily did slow down the flow of this blood money back to Europe. And was it a big deal, really in the grand scheme of things? How many Spanish Galleons were lost to pirate raiders and privateers vs hurricanes?
Didn't the "inherent" value of gold and silver in Spain essentially lose any level of reasonability, because soooo freaking much of it was available in Spain?
It's like someone gifting you a pound of nice chocolate fudge (yes, that's a LOT of fudge). You eat a piece or two. "Cool, this is some good SHIT!". After about 4 or 6 more pieces, you find it very hard to stop, but you also notice that you're just pounding it down, and not enjoying each piece of it. Next thing you know, it's gone, and you have one hellofa sugar coma waiting for you in 15 minutes...
So you next then go to See's Candy, and order another couple of pounds. "Why did I do that!?!" GRMMFMMMOh...yeah....oink oink oink.
I've got about 300 5.25" floppies of C-64 games in the garage. I paid for about 10 or 15 myself, and really did want those games. I got the rest from others in exchange for them copying the games I bought. After a very short time, it did not matter if I got a cool game or not. Wow, another 10 cool games to check out. Eventually it was a game to see how many I got. After leaving for college, it quickly lost interest. Those stupid Z-19 terminals had much more power, especially getting a "Rita" account!
Same thing with music. I don't buy much music any more, and one of the reasons is that I burned myself out on it. I had so many cassettes that I did not enjoy or look forward to any of them that I had. They were a pain in the ass to move, and, well, after a time, I found I did not care about them much anymore. So I picked out a few that meant the most to me (and mostly have now on CD), and the rest, I don't know where they are. I remember songs occaisionally, but...nothing is going to make me go out and blow $200-300 on a "CD Binge" anymore.
People will eventually get to this point. The RIAA should figure out how to get into the middle of this crack cocaine game, instead of trying to fight it. It might even let them sneak out such glossy turds as "Gigli" on an unsuspecting group of "early adopters" who can give far more useful feedback quicker than can carefully crafted and demographic'd focus groups, and kill them quietly instead of letting $100million die on the screen on opening weekend. Speaking of "Gigli", has it even made it to DVD yet?
We try to focus on the crooks, because more often than not in western society they are the ones who get away with their crimes, leaving lots of busted people in their wakes.
Martha Stewart has gone to Federal Prison for a stupid bad stock transaction. Whether she deserved it or not, well, look at Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, and all the other corporate maledictors who are, for the most part, still enjoying their lavish lifestyles with little or no limits on their activities or future prospects, because too many people still will see them, and believe their Heidrick and Struggles (ok, let's be fair, and throw in Korn+Ferry too) promotional materials in a couple of years that this lot as, just a bunch of misunderstood business geniuses unfairly tarred and feathered in the press for things that were out of their control.
So, for all you Slashdot readers who have partaken in the middle of this operation (i.e., a "distributor") or higher (not just a downloader), how much money did you actually make in it?
The point being, the spammers, the junkmailers, etc., even though they are really just human cockroaches, ultimately make fist fulls of $$$ from their petty little endeavors. $$$ means that one or more of them might have enough sense in their heads to hire competent lawyers.
Competent lawyers means that it is not a trivial effort for the FBI, Dept. of Justice, etc. to try and per...er, prosecute them, because it will cost THEM too much time and energy for very little PR value, and certainly NO support for them (or their political...leash holders) when the next election cycle is around.
So they go after these networks.
Not only do they sound much better than "a spamlord was busted in suburban Detroit yesterday for allegedly sending out 1 beeleeon spam messages per month. Meanwhile, he's out on his own personal recognizance awaiting arraignment" vs "a secret cabal of movie pirates was busted yesterday by a huge interagency, multi-state task force that has worked for over 3 years to crack into, gain and ultimately betray the trust of those involved. Spec. Agent Murphy says, 'well, these activities only lead to bigger and far more nefarious criminal elements acting in our borders, not only against you and me, but other counterfeiting operations, etc. We hope their testimonly will allow us to catch the really big fish.' Meanwhile, bail on the 17 accused has been set from between $500,000 and $1,000,000 each."
Ooo, these must be REALLY BAD BASTARDS if they have bail like that!
No, these nets are just sexier targets than the spammongers, not only because they sound much better in a soundbite, but the perps tend to not have a bunch of money burning a hole in their parents' pockets to hire a good, agressive defense lawyer or to have made prudent past political contributions.
Only and until AOL, Microsoft, and several of the other ISPs in the US decide that the loss of customer good will these simps cause everyone, and the additional work of their corporate customers, and fund these kinds of raids ala the MPAA/RIAA, then it just won't happen.
But we've seen at least what AhOL is doing now, really, just marketing noise. AOL I think still makes too much money for selling subscriber lists to really make an effective "this shit is going to stop NOW" stand.
The other part of it is that some of the people in the neo-money set have also figured out various semi- or quasi-legal schemes that make them lots of money, and combined with whatever other zealous drives or needs they have, makes them a bit more politically connected, compared to your typical working stiff. They protect their own, because if the spamschmucks go down, they could be smoked out too. The only difference between the spammer and the successful timeshare or RV salesman is really the job title (oh, and maybe the house, and car and multiple T1 connections in the house, and...).
I suppose you could fit a lot of small and family-owned businesses in there as well (taking wholesale goods from the store/shop/market for use at home is probably a common one. it's not a big deal if it's a few rolls of bumwad, Sticky-Notes and stuff like that or those cheap-ass Papermate Stic-pens. But using the company, and other peoples' jobs as collateral for personal/family loans probably should be a big deal)...
Also, when a "legitimate" group like the RIAA/MPAA feels it has to stoop to using spyware and other things to help "fight" that which it has deemed the Ultimate Doom and Evil (P2P), well...
WWJD? No, the wristband to have in 2005 is "LWSHTJ - Look What Still Happened To Jesus!"
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Well, it may have a lot of game shows now, but it's more about the "gamer lifestyle", whatever the hell that is.
Do they talk about games like "Civ3"?
Nope.
It's all Doom3, Halo2, EA Sports games, Tony Hawk.
No, the "hitler" move was that G4 was full of a bunch of executive Himmler/Goering types who talked a good talk, appeared to know what they were doing, because, well, they're TV people, etc.
A bunch of big fat egos at G4 took over TechTV.
Now, why did Paul Allen...er, Vulcan Ventures, want to sell it off?
...then the MWC (LA's water board) will have a model for acquiring the land needed to enable an aqueduct to harvest all that wasted Columbia River water and bring it down to the LA Basin.
On a more callous note, that would open up a lot of real estate activity on the "good" places in the Carribean. In fact, how many insurance policies will be rewritten to count such a cataclysmic event as an Act Of God, and hence, not covered?
Yep, that's what I remember from science classes as well. The wavelength is converted to wave height (shortening the wavelength) as the depth of the water decreases, say, when it reaches the continental shelf.
Mt. Baker poses more of a problem for Vancouver, BC than for Seattle.
But the main places of hurt for a Mt. Baker eruption would be Whatcom and Skagit counties.
Mt. Rainier is the ticking timebomb for Seattle. The Green River Valley is an old lahar flow, and it goes all the to Lake Washington in Renton... and the Nisqually River comes off of Mt. Rainier, too...
Now there are the signs of past tsunamis (from land slips or earthquakes) in Puget Sound that have done some pretty heavy damage. There are a lot of rather large old-growth trees in the bottom of Lake Washington, for example, that appear to have been washed down after an earthquake shook the water out of the lake high enough to wash the trees into the lake. Of course, they're now being pulled up and cut into some mighty fine wood...
And there are other signs of local tsunami action in Puget Sound as well.
(grew up in Bellingham, Whatcom Co., and Seattle).
Now, what would an earthquake do in the flood plain areas of the Frasier River valley? Hmm... lots of people live there. Fill (including river sedimentation areas) tends to liquify to some extent in an earthquake or magnify/focus earthquake waves... and a good earthquake off the coast of Washington or Vancouver Island could send some nice tsunami action down the Strait of Juan de Fuca...
Fine, then. Let's still plan for the worst case and hope for the best case.
It would be equally as bad to plan for the best case as to not plan at all.
Think of the big Kobe earthquake and building damage done there. Building code for quite some time was that the first 7 stories of a building had to be earthquake resistant. Well, lots and lots of buildings in Kobe exceeded this. Maybe 10-12 stories, but enough. "It couldn't be any worse than what has happened before." Ooops.
Of course, the Krakatoa eruption did not result in tsunamis on the west coast of the US, either (if it would have been possible), but there was significant tsunami damage in Hawaii done from a large Alaskan earthquake in the 50's. Sure, some of that was just dumb luck: funnel-shaped bay facing the same direction the tsunami waves were coming from in Hilo.
Besides, what would a 3-meter high tsunami do if it hit somewhere like Fundy at high tide? You know, somehow I think that a place that has 40-foot tide swings just might have problems even with a depleted tsunami wave.
Isn't the problem really one of the big wavelength waves hitting the Continental Shelf suddenly turning into really tall waves?
Sorry, I'd have to say that the real revolution in the first phase wasn't the Apple II, but the Vic-20 and Commodore 64.
The Atari 400/800 were close, but the VIC20/C64 democratized it. Since all 3 were 6502-based (OK, 6510 in C64), they all had the same basic inherent limitations, but Commodore blew up the markets for both the Apple II and Atari computers.
Too bad Commodore couldn't market Eternal Life (tm).
And... Redstone was developed by the US Army. USAF developed Atlas as an IRBM. The current Atlas is very similar looking to the original Atlas, even if it uses more modern engines, and LH/LOX instead of LOH/Alcohol propellant. Titan was the only liquid fueled ICBM for the US. It was also the one that was fitted with the largest US nuclear warheads. As such, a few still were kept around until the 80's.
I thought one of the Russian launch outfits was using a few SS-18's as a launch platform...
Now the ultimate irony will be when NASA starts using a few MX Peacekeeper rockets as launchers...
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Religion is about the politics of faith, not necessarily about faith.
I would almost argue that "ethics", "morality", and other noble western ideas about interhuman behavior exist on their own as much as scientific fact and religious tenets.
That areligious people can be just as ethical or moral as the most pious Christian is my proof. Jerry Falwell and Robert Jones are the most obvious counter-proofs.
but this category presumably includes the official Roman Catholic view,
This is a rather recent view by the RCC, btw.
A cynic would see that it's just another "embrace-and-extend" action by the Pope to help keep Catholicism slightly relevant by more and more people.
No, Newton's Laws of Motion match data at a given scale. At smaller scales, Quantum Mechanics rule. At larger scales (i.e., intergalactic distances), we're still not sure, but assuming that Newtonian mechanics scales up when it does not also scale down is probably not a safe assumption...
In my QM class, we talked about the deBroglie wavelength of a human-sized object. it's 10^-38 meters or something. Sure, there is a probability that you or I could walk through a wall via quantum tunnelling. But it is *exceedingly* small.
When churches also start presenting evolution as part of God's order, then perhaps schools can bring in Judeo-Christian creationism. But if they do that, then by fairness, they should also bring in as many other religios ideas of the creation mythology: Greek is obvious, but there are a bunch of similar-but-different Native American versions that have NOTHING to do with the Judeo-Christian view. Oh, I forgot. They're just a bunch of brown-skinned pagans.
If God created man in its image, then why are there now over 6 billion different images of God right now?
Why didn't God create the Platypus in its image instead?
Why, in non-insectoid, non-fish life on Earth, are 4 limbs pretty much the pattern, when 6, 8 or more are good for insectoids?
Were they created by something else, then?
Then what created this..."intelligence" that created everything?
And quite often (most notably on the TV bible personalities) versus are quoted directly from the bible and presented as fact, or as the absolute authority on which to base your actions.
Sorry, every Christian church sermon has at least one biblical reference to it (taken out of context, of course).
WWJD? JW (Jesus wept).
Kids believe in the tooth fairy, easter bunny, santa claus, etc. They (along with the help of grownups who foster these beliefs...) believe them to be "facts", and most are crushed when they learn the "truth" about them eventually.
"Religion demands adherence without proof"? Until we have another "Lazarus", it could be said that there is no proof in "life after death", and strict adherence to this is...well...
Religion is used to deny truth. Tell me again why a woman cannot be a Catholic priest, or why confession needs to be told to a priest.
How, exactly, are these cities in Louisiana to take a gun to one BellSouth and "arrest" it?
They can't. The city can certainly do it to you, one way or another (funny, your car gets a parking ticket even when parked in a non-metered space to "Son, did you know your brake light is *smash* broken?"
Again, it comes down to the ILECs should be forced to choose: are we service providers, or are we infrastructure providers.
What will things be like when SBC and Qwest own 95% of the ILEC business in the US?
Now, I wonder what would happen in Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, etc., if the local telcoop (Billings, MT, for example, is not serviced by an ILEC, but by a local phone coop) that are under the same underhanded, tricky-dicky actions by the ILECs who don't serve the state, who have no interest in serving the state, but merely wish to see any "competition" go away?
What if, instead, the communities in LA decided to do something, like pump a bunch of softmoney (i.e., tax credits, long-term contracts, etc.) with a local startup telco co-op, and "eminent domain" the already installed infrastructure from the telcos, and instead of a POTS telephone infrastructure they just replaced it with VOIP?
The co-op could then get its next-up connections from L3, MCI, SBC, AT&T, etc...
You mean, like...
"The city council is entertaining a motion to put the franchise agreements with Cox Cable and BellSouth up for bid"?
Just watch early slow-motion films of water drops landing on water. With the rebound peak on the moon/planet/whatnot, it seems that it cooled fast enough during the rise to not fall completely back in on the way down, relative to the macro-level viscosity of the material in the disturbance.
Well, how evil exactly were the old Caribbean pirates of yore?
Sure, they were not paragons of any society. Dregs, really.
But of all that gold and silver that was flowing back to Europe from Central and South America, who mined it? The natives or slaves.
Could the activities of the classical Pirate be looked at then as slightly, romantically ahead of their time? The long-term actions of the Pirates certainily did slow down the flow of this blood money back to Europe. And was it a big deal, really in the grand scheme of things? How many Spanish Galleons were lost to pirate raiders and privateers vs hurricanes?
Didn't the "inherent" value of gold and silver in Spain essentially lose any level of reasonability, because soooo freaking much of it was available in Spain?
It's like someone gifting you a pound of nice chocolate fudge (yes, that's a LOT of fudge). You eat a piece or two. "Cool, this is some good SHIT!". After about 4 or 6 more pieces, you find it very hard to stop, but you also notice that you're just pounding it down, and not enjoying each piece of it. Next thing you know, it's gone, and you have one hellofa sugar coma waiting for you in 15 minutes...
So you next then go to See's Candy, and order another couple of pounds. "Why did I do that!?!" GRMMFMMMOh...yeah....oink oink oink.
I've got about 300 5.25" floppies of C-64 games in the garage. I paid for about 10 or 15 myself, and really did want those games. I got the rest from others in exchange for them copying the games I bought. After a very short time, it did not matter if I got a cool game or not. Wow, another 10 cool games to check out. Eventually it was a game to see how many I got. After leaving for college, it quickly lost interest. Those stupid Z-19 terminals had much more power, especially getting a "Rita" account!
Same thing with music. I don't buy much music any more, and one of the reasons is that I burned myself out on it. I had so many cassettes that I did not enjoy or look forward to any of them that I had. They were a pain in the ass to move, and, well, after a time, I found I did not care about them much anymore. So I picked out a few that meant the most to me (and mostly have now on CD), and the rest, I don't know where they are. I remember songs occaisionally, but...nothing is going to make me go out and blow $200-300 on a "CD Binge" anymore.
People will eventually get to this point. The RIAA should figure out how to get into the middle of this crack cocaine game, instead of trying to fight it. It might even let them sneak out such glossy turds as "Gigli" on an unsuspecting group of "early adopters" who can give far more useful feedback quicker than can carefully crafted and demographic'd focus groups, and kill them quietly instead of letting $100million die on the screen on opening weekend. Speaking of "Gigli", has it even made it to DVD yet?
We try to focus on the crooks, because more often than not in western society they are the ones who get away with their crimes, leaving lots of busted people in their wakes.
Martha Stewart has gone to Federal Prison for a stupid bad stock transaction. Whether she deserved it or not, well, look at Kenneth Lay, Jeff Skilling, and all the other corporate maledictors who are, for the most part, still enjoying their lavish lifestyles with little or no limits on their activities or future prospects, because too many people still will see them, and believe their Heidrick and Struggles (ok, let's be fair, and throw in Korn+Ferry too) promotional materials in a couple of years that this lot as, just a bunch of misunderstood business geniuses unfairly tarred and feathered in the press for things that were out of their control.
So, for all you Slashdot readers who have partaken in the middle of this operation (i.e., a "distributor") or higher (not just a downloader), how much money did you actually make in it?
The point being, the spammers, the junkmailers, etc., even though they are really just human cockroaches, ultimately make fist fulls of $$$ from their petty little endeavors. $$$ means that one or more of them might have enough sense in their heads to hire competent lawyers.
Competent lawyers means that it is not a trivial effort for the FBI, Dept. of Justice, etc. to try and per...er, prosecute them, because it will cost THEM too much time and energy for very little PR value, and certainly NO support for them (or their political...leash holders) when the next election cycle is around.
So they go after these networks.
Not only do they sound much better than "a spamlord was busted in suburban Detroit yesterday for allegedly sending out 1 beeleeon spam messages per month. Meanwhile, he's out on his own personal recognizance awaiting arraignment" vs "a secret cabal of movie pirates was busted yesterday by a huge interagency, multi-state task force that has worked for over 3 years to crack into, gain and ultimately betray the trust of those involved. Spec. Agent Murphy says, 'well, these activities only lead to bigger and far more nefarious criminal elements acting in our borders, not only against you and me, but other counterfeiting operations, etc. We hope their testimonly will allow us to catch the really big fish.' Meanwhile, bail on the 17 accused has been set from between $500,000 and $1,000,000 each."
Ooo, these must be REALLY BAD BASTARDS if they have bail like that!
No, these nets are just sexier targets than the spammongers, not only because they sound much better in a soundbite, but the perps tend to not have a bunch of money burning a hole in their parents' pockets to hire a good, agressive defense lawyer or to have made prudent past political contributions.
Only and until AOL, Microsoft, and several of the other ISPs in the US decide that the loss of customer good will these simps cause everyone, and the additional work of their corporate customers, and fund these kinds of raids ala the MPAA/RIAA, then it just won't happen.
But we've seen at least what AhOL is doing now, really, just marketing noise. AOL I think still makes too much money for selling subscriber lists to really make an effective "this shit is going to stop NOW" stand.
The other part of it is that some of the people in the neo-money set have also figured out various semi- or quasi-legal schemes that make them lots of money, and combined with whatever other zealous drives or needs they have, makes them a bit more politically connected, compared to your typical working stiff. They protect their own, because if the spamschmucks go down, they could be smoked out too. The only difference between the spammer and the successful timeshare or RV salesman is really the job title (oh, and maybe the house, and car and multiple T1 connections in the house, and...).
I suppose you could fit a lot of small and family-owned businesses in there as well (taking wholesale goods from the store/shop/market for use at home is probably a common one. it's not a big deal if it's a few rolls of bumwad, Sticky-Notes and stuff like that or those cheap-ass Papermate Stic-pens. But using the company, and other peoples' jobs as collateral for personal/family loans probably should be a big deal)...
Also, when a "legitimate" group like the RIAA/MPAA feels it has to stoop to using spyware and other things to help "fight" that which it has deemed the Ultimate Doom and Evil (P2P), well...
WWJD? No, the wristband to have in 2005 is "LWSHTJ - Look What Still Happened To Jesus!"
Well, it may have a lot of game shows now, but it's more about the "gamer lifestyle", whatever the hell that is.
Do they talk about games like "Civ3"?
Nope.
It's all Doom3, Halo2, EA Sports games, Tony Hawk.
No, the "hitler" move was that G4 was full of a bunch of executive Himmler/Goering types who talked a good talk, appeared to know what they were doing, because, well, they're TV people, etc.
A bunch of big fat egos at G4 took over TechTV.
Now, why did Paul Allen...er, Vulcan Ventures, want to sell it off?
...then the MWC (LA's water board) will have a model for acquiring the land needed to enable an aqueduct to harvest all that wasted Columbia River water and bring it down to the LA Basin.
I think that you have to have a Passport sign-in to use HotMail.
On a more callous note, that would open up a lot of real estate activity on the "good" places in the Carribean. In fact, how many insurance policies will be rewritten to count such a cataclysmic event as an Act Of God, and hence, not covered?
Baker is not a threat to Seattle. Bellingham and Whatcom County, yes. Vancouver, yes, if the wind is blowing the right direction.
Mt. Rainier is big threat to Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia area.
Yep, that's what I remember from science classes as well. The wavelength is converted to wave height (shortening the wavelength) as the depth of the water decreases, say, when it reaches the continental shelf.
Mt. Baker poses more of a problem for Vancouver, BC than for Seattle.
But the main places of hurt for a Mt. Baker eruption would be Whatcom and Skagit counties.
Mt. Rainier is the ticking timebomb for Seattle.
The Green River Valley is an old lahar flow, and it goes all the to Lake Washington in Renton... and the Nisqually River comes off of Mt. Rainier, too...
Now there are the signs of past tsunamis (from land slips or earthquakes) in Puget Sound that have done some pretty heavy damage. There are a lot of rather large old-growth trees in the bottom of Lake Washington, for example, that appear to have been washed down after an earthquake shook the water out of the lake high enough to wash the trees into the lake. Of course, they're now being pulled up and cut into some mighty fine wood...
And there are other signs of local tsunami action in Puget Sound as well.
(grew up in Bellingham, Whatcom Co., and Seattle).
Now, what would an earthquake do in the flood plain areas of the Frasier River valley? Hmm... lots of people live there. Fill (including river sedimentation areas) tends to liquify to some extent in an earthquake or magnify/focus earthquake waves... and a good earthquake off the coast of Washington or Vancouver Island could send some nice tsunami action down the Strait of Juan de Fuca...
Fine, then. Let's still plan for the worst case and hope for the best case.
It would be equally as bad to plan for the best case as to not plan at all.
Think of the big Kobe earthquake and building damage done there. Building code for quite some time was that the first 7 stories of a building had to be earthquake resistant. Well, lots and lots of buildings in Kobe exceeded this. Maybe 10-12 stories, but enough. "It couldn't be any worse than what has happened before." Ooops.
Of course, the Krakatoa eruption did not result in tsunamis on the west coast of the US, either (if it would have been possible), but there was significant tsunami damage in Hawaii done from a large Alaskan earthquake in the 50's. Sure, some of that was just dumb luck: funnel-shaped bay facing the same direction the tsunami waves were coming from in Hilo.
Besides, what would a 3-meter high tsunami do if it hit somewhere like Fundy at high tide? You know, somehow I think that a place that has 40-foot tide swings just might have problems even with a depleted tsunami wave.
Isn't the problem really one of the big wavelength waves hitting the Continental Shelf suddenly turning into really tall waves?
Sorry, I'd have to say that the real revolution in the first phase wasn't the Apple II, but the Vic-20 and Commodore 64.
The Atari 400/800 were close, but the VIC20/C64 democratized it. Since all 3 were 6502-based (OK, 6510 in C64), they all had the same basic inherent limitations, but Commodore blew up the markets for both the Apple II and Atari computers.
Too bad Commodore couldn't market Eternal Life (tm).
And... Redstone was developed by the US Army. USAF developed Atlas as an IRBM. The current Atlas is very similar looking to the original Atlas, even if it uses more modern engines, and LH/LOX instead of LOH/Alcohol propellant. Titan was the only liquid fueled ICBM for the US. It was also the one that was fitted with the largest US nuclear warheads. As such, a few still were kept around until the 80's.
I thought one of the Russian launch outfits was using a few SS-18's as a launch platform...
Now the ultimate irony will be when NASA starts using a few MX Peacekeeper rockets as launchers...