sure, it shouldn't. I agree, and I know what a-theist means. Nonetheless, it is taken as hostile. I have no desire to piss off the devoutly religious over something small. There are plenty of big things to piss them off about. Besides, those "love thy neighbor" types are really scary when you get them mad.
TFA states that this is targeted toward chips made from stolen plans. If the differences are so easily layered onto existing chip designs, surely someone sophisticated enough to have a chip manufacturing plant tossing off copies would be able to just NOT include those switches or have them there but to no effect. yes?
..what comes to mind as one of the most positive is to consider how important this would have been to the man himself, who was devoutly religious and deeply grieved for the inability of the Church at that time to find a way to reconcile its cannon with science. Galileo, like many of the great minds of science, considered the increased and refined understanding brought through through study to be proof of the wonder and complexity of creation rather than an attack on theists.
Personally, as a non-theist (I don't care for the term atheist as it implies hostility toward religious people), all I can do is respect these great men for their part in helping explain the universe.
Galileo would have been deeply honored (or so I believe), so I respect what the Church is doing here.
In fact, he was billions and billions of years ahead of his time. He was more ahead of his time than there are grains of sand on all the beaches on the earth....
I love o-rings. Some of my best friends are O-Rings.
The design they used had a flaw. The shuttle blew up. I hope the copy the spy stole contained the same flaw. End of Joke. Sorry it was the wrong kind of booster. I didn't look it up. I couldn't imagine how solid fuel would flow through something with an o-ring so I guessed liquid.
Next time, I'll raise a flag indicating a joke so you know.
..is Intuit. Each year if you upgrade your Quickbooks, Intuit spends more effect and intrusiveness trying to up sell you on features and services related to their software. It has become so infuriating that I refuse to upgrade until I have no choice at all, in hopes someone will come up with something better that is functional enough to make me happy.
This question seems to go around on/. every few months, and the first thing I do is search for the name of this book (which is always already suggested) and add my 2 cents.
This is a very easy read but packed full of solid advice, real world examples, and common geek-traps to avoid. It has helped me a great deal.
Some of you guys may help me remember the details, but this was years ago and it had to do with receiving HBO and "ON-TV" (remember them?) via home made antenna or big sat dish. HBO and ON were both originally available in many areas using a special antenna. This was pre-cable tv, but not by much. The signal was scrambled by not by much. I recall a little 9 volt dc block adapter powered unit that went in-line on the coax from the antenna that could decode it. By todays standards, it wasn't encryption at all, more obscurity than security. I think the picture was shifted half way over, and the end that went off screen was prepended to the other side or something.
Anyway, you could get it that way or your could catch the feed as it went across the big sats as that was completely open. Ah, the days before DRM.
As I recall, the supreme court ruled then that if you could receive it out of the air and not have to descramble it, then you were within your rights to watch it. If I'm remembering it accurately, and if it hasn't been reversed, then the NFL's only actionable complaint would by with the networks for not protecting the copyrighted material. This is even more true if you're watching it by using an antenna and HD tuner rather than cable tv.
Ok, flame the crap out of me for being wrong or outdated now. I'm putting my gnomex hood on and donning SCBA...
Apple wants to sell hardware. They always have. The problem is, they can't distribute that hardware in the US and some other countries unless carriers will support it. Carriers want total control over what goes onto and comes off of your handset. They make crazy money on ringtones, mini java applications, and overcharging for text messages.
I'm just about to do the upgrade to Web 2.0. I'm pretty much done with 1.0 and eager to move on. I haven't been able to get pricing on it from Amazon though.
"I think saying 90% live in it is an overstatement. -A good chunk (more than 10%) of notes users only ever touch email and calendaring. I would guess on personal experience, a great majority are in this camp, but won't absolutely claim it.
I can almost agree here, except to say that anyone using the full Notes client for nothing but mail and calendaring is wasting it and wasting a lot of time resources without getting their money's worth. I could go grocery shopping in a 24' dock height box truck, but it really isn't necessary.
-Even looking beyond to companies that actual use the bits of Notes that are kind of unique (for the most part web applications without the web), I would bet a vast majority of those users do day to day work outside of notes, and use notes for the occasional internal application (maybe time card, putting documents into a database that's more awkward than a simple file share without real benefit).
Here you lose me. I'm sorry to hear its your experience, but it just isn't a good representation. Comparing what can be done in a Notes app with what can be built on the web is a very poor comparison and only valid for badly written corporate apps. Notes is powerful stuff, and easy to develop for. The downside to that is that any idiot can write a bad Notes app. You still need developer skills to write good ones, and good developers still need to understand the platform to write good apps. Just like anything else. If anything, the problem of apps in companies tends to be too many, not too few.
Bringing in OpenOffice raises it somewhat (I think I'd need to change jobs if I 'lived' in office applications), but beyond file save and load integrated into notes, it just slows down OpenOffice.
The reality is that most users do live in office applications and email. Not most I.T. workers writing code, but the vast hordes who take up all those cubicles and offices doing their marketing, sales, human resources, and whatever else end users busy themselves with that ends up generating the revenue to support our much more important I.T. industry selves do live in email and calendaring and meetings and office applications pretty much all day long. Microsoft calls them "Knowledge Workers", and understands their desktop preferences very very well.
The problem is that Lotus software appears to shrug off significant memory utilization, storage utilization, and startup performance.
Again, need to call you back on this one. Lotus has shown greater than 40% increase in the number of concurrent users that can be managed on a server at each version. They're showing a 35% decrease in storage space and a corresponding I/O performance gain in version 8.0.1 over any previous version. They're showing another 35% decrease is likely with new features in the 8.5 server due out this year. On the client side, the move to 8.0 does have a BIG performance hit. They agree that it does, and as such have release an 8.0 version that doesn't use the new UI framework for users who don't want that hit. There is a HUGE gain in capability in 8.0 that won't really be visible for 6-9 months at least because apps aren't built to use it yet. The good news in this space is that by the time the really cool driving applications for upgrade are hitting screens, average PC speeds will have made the difference up. I realize that's a tired old argument -- but its true. Making things pretty and slick, easy and rich, take massive amounts of power and space. That's why gaming machines are so much more expensive than work machines.
Like you, they seem to think theirs is the only set of applications that matter, and that a computers entire point in life is to run their application suite and a user should only use it too. As such, why not suck up the memory and have ungodly load times?
Actually, my own software, Second Signal, uses Domino
You said: "Unless they completely dumped their windowing model and overhauled their form display, it's still crap."
What part of "They've moved the entire thing into Eclipse, are using Eclipse as its windowing manager, and have opened the entire UI for developers of applications" are you not understanding?
Could it be because it prevents you from mod'ing up things you agree with, and mod'ing down things you don't without regard to their value as part of the conversation? You're not voting for a side in an argument when you mod. You're trying to increase the visibility of interesting and valuable information while lowering the visibility of crap. So far in this thread, you've only increased the latter.
It takes a long time to load, because its got all this java stuff in it. Sure. But 90% of people who use it live in it. Windows 3.0 took forever to load and if all you wanted to do was run excel and then close windows again it was a pain. Once people started living in it, it because the standard of its time.
Lotus Notes "Integrate OSS Apps" -- well, Symphony=OpenOffice+IBM and that's fully integrated. The software supports almost every standard in existence that's even remotely related to what it does (ldap, imap, pop, smtp, xml, html, css, javascript, java, odbc --and yes, on linux too, nntp, corba, webdev, and who know what all else).
Also, its Eclipse. It supports Eclipse Plug ins. Write one. Plug in anything you want.
1. If your experience with Notes does not include significant time spent with version 6.5 or later, your experience is as invalid as talking about Apple with your experience limited to using a Mac SE. Move on.
2. 6.5 - 7.0x are largely incremental improvements from an end-user perspective with gains mainly in performance and manageability on both client and workstation. Sure, there are some better UI things in 7.x than 6.5.x but generally they're not earth shattering.
3. 8.0 is the first release built on the Eclipse framework (which IBM calls Expediter), and while it adds a few new features it doesn't really capitalize on that framework much. Its a lot more overhead and represents huge potential but for the most part end users aren't seeing it yet. It also isn't on that many desktops yet. Its too new, and its a.0 release.
4. 8.0.1 is where you start to see the benefit of running on the eclipse framework from an end user perspective and 8.5 will be a very long overdue blessing and relief for developers.
5. By moving to the Eclipse framework, IBM is now able to deliver full parity on the Macintosh operating systems this year (beta is out there now) as well as full parity on Linux desktops (they'll support Ubuntu, but it will RUN on many).
6. The BIGGEST benefit of moving to the Eclipse framework is that vendors of add-on products and high end developers can now do virtually anything in terms of both UI and FUNCTION up to and including a complete re-skinning of the client. With 8.5 the designer will also be that open. This removes a huge problem for ISV's since day 1. You can't sell a tool for the classic Notes client for real money because your stuck with the same UI available to the crappy code your I.T. department is putting out. No matter how good it is, it looks the same. That's over now. I've already seen amazingly graphical UI approaches from vendors that support graphical representations of data and gesture based controls.
---- now for an opinion or two:
There are only two real competitors in the ENTERPRISE mail and collaboration space. Microsoft (Exchange+outlook+vs.net+sharepoint+communications server+sql server+active directory+IIS) and IBM (Notes+Domino+Sametime). IBM has some variations on that theme as well (Portal - for connecting all that crap you have that doesn't natively talk to your other crap - Quicr, Connections, etc.). If you want enterprise class tools, those two choices represent more than 90% of the market. You can pick the Microsoft stack, in which case you must use all of it, all the time, and upgrade all at once when you upgrade any of it. Linux is totally unsupported, and Mac gets grade-b reluctant support. You can pick the IBM stack and run almost anyone's hardware, operating system, network, and tools or a mixture of all of them.
The IBM stack fully supports both Mac and Linux, and IBM has funded and continues to fund hundreds of full time positions doing all their work on fully open source projects (like Eclipse). What exactly, do you find wrong with that?
You don't like the way it looks? They've opened the UI now. Make it look like anything you want. You can use half a dozen languages to do it.
There are some things that the/. community just looks like a bunch of sheep being led around without thought on. This is one of those knee-jerk reaction topics. Bitching about Notes from years past is about as easy as declaring "First Post" -- and about as useful.
If I could pay for what I use, I would. I'd rather pay for 1mb full duplex than 6mb down and 512kb up. For what I do (working with remote sites and voip) I'd be WAY better off.
The EC is critical in preventing the concentration of power within a few key high population areas. Without it, votes from people in Wyoming, Alaska, and other largely rural states would essentially face the decisions make in the big coastal cities.
Regardless of how you come down politically, I think we can agree that any long term concentration of power results in "bad things".
These kids are in high school. They're discovering new things. They spend a lot of time examining these new things they've discovered. They're to watch to see just how they move, and if the grow larger. Some time later, it is possible they'll have something named after them -- but they can't know for sure right away.
As simple as a re-org? That's great news. Everyone who reads/. knows that from a management perspective, a re-org can solve any problem and only takes 90 days. After 90 days, all those problems are fixed and it is often time for another re-org to solve the next set of entirely different problems.
This may be frustrating for the patient, who will be totally unable to accomplish anything for the 30 days leading up to and the 30 days following the re-org; but hell, its not like they were going to run a marathon anyway. Just sit tight and you'll see, the re-org will be GOOD for your nervous system. Just the mention of a re-org makes everyone nervous.
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sure, it shouldn't. I agree, and I know what a-theist means. Nonetheless, it is taken as hostile. I have no desire to piss off the devoutly religious over something small. There are plenty of big things to piss them off about. Besides, those "love thy neighbor" types are really scary when you get them mad.
TFA states that this is targeted toward chips made from stolen plans. If the differences are so easily layered onto existing chip designs, surely someone sophisticated enough to have a chip manufacturing plant tossing off copies would be able to just NOT include those switches or have them there but to no effect. yes?
Personally, as a non-theist (I don't care for the term atheist as it implies hostility toward religious people), all I can do is respect these great men for their part in helping explain the universe.
Galileo would have been deeply honored (or so I believe), so I respect what the Church is doing here.
...that the best way to stop HIV is to get some of the right TRIMM ?
In fact, he was billions and billions of years ahead of his time. He was more ahead of his time than there are grains of sand on all the beaches on the earth....
...shut them all down!
Oh no, R2, they're dieing....
I love o-rings. Some of my best friends are O-Rings.
The design they used had a flaw. The shuttle blew up. I hope the copy the spy stole contained the same flaw. End of Joke. Sorry it was the wrong kind of booster. I didn't look it up. I couldn't imagine how solid fuel would flow through something with an o-ring so I guessed liquid.
Next time, I'll raise a flag indicating a joke so you know.
..they used rubber o-rings to connect the liquid fuel lines.
..is Intuit. Each year if you upgrade your Quickbooks, Intuit spends more effect and intrusiveness trying to up sell you on features and services related to their software. It has become so infuriating that I refuse to upgrade until I have no choice at all, in hopes someone will come up with something better that is functional enough to make me happy.
This question seems to go around on
This is a very easy read but packed full of solid advice, real world examples, and common geek-traps to avoid. It has helped me a great deal.
...that may apply.
Some of you guys may help me remember the details, but this was years ago and it had to do with receiving HBO and "ON-TV" (remember them?) via home made antenna or big sat dish. HBO and ON were both originally available in many areas using a special antenna. This was pre-cable tv, but not by much. The signal was scrambled by not by much. I recall a little 9 volt dc block adapter powered unit that went in-line on the coax from the antenna that could decode it. By todays standards, it wasn't encryption at all, more obscurity than security. I think the picture was shifted half way over, and the end that went off screen was prepended to the other side or something.
Anyway, you could get it that way or your could catch the feed as it went across the big sats as that was completely open. Ah, the days before DRM.
As I recall, the supreme court ruled then that if you could receive it out of the air and not have to descramble it, then you were within your rights to watch it. If I'm remembering it accurately, and if it hasn't been reversed, then the NFL's only actionable complaint would by with the networks for not protecting the copyrighted material. This is even more true if you're watching it by using an antenna and HD tuner rather than cable tv.
Ok, flame the crap out of me for being wrong or outdated now. I'm putting my gnomex hood on and donning SCBA...
...Baywatch Reruns?
Apple wants to sell hardware. They always have. The problem is, they can't distribute that hardware in the US and some other countries unless carriers will support it. Carriers want total control over what goes onto and comes off of your handset. They make crazy money on ringtones, mini java applications, and overcharging for text messages.
I'm just about to do the upgrade to Web 2.0. I'm pretty much done with 1.0 and eager to move on. I haven't been able to get pricing on it from Amazon though.
"I think saying 90% live in it is an overstatement. -A good chunk (more than 10%) of notes users only ever touch email and calendaring. I would guess on personal experience, a great majority are in this camp, but won't absolutely claim it.
I can almost agree here, except to say that anyone using the full Notes client for nothing but mail and calendaring is wasting it and wasting a lot of time resources without getting their money's worth. I could go grocery shopping in a 24' dock height box truck, but it really isn't necessary.
-Even looking beyond to companies that actual use the bits of Notes that are kind of unique (for the most part web applications without the web), I would bet a vast majority of those users do day to day work outside of notes, and use notes for the occasional internal application (maybe time card, putting documents into a database that's more awkward than a simple file share without real benefit).
Here you lose me. I'm sorry to hear its your experience, but it just isn't a good representation. Comparing what can be done in a Notes app with what can be built on the web is a very poor comparison and only valid for badly written corporate apps. Notes is powerful stuff, and easy to develop for. The downside to that is that any idiot can write a bad Notes app. You still need developer skills to write good ones, and good developers still need to understand the platform to write good apps. Just like anything else. If anything, the problem of apps in companies tends to be too many, not too few.
Bringing in OpenOffice raises it somewhat (I think I'd need to change jobs if I 'lived' in office applications), but beyond file save and load integrated into notes, it just slows down OpenOffice.
The reality is that most users do live in office applications and email. Not most I.T. workers writing code, but the vast hordes who take up all those cubicles and offices doing their marketing, sales, human resources, and whatever else end users busy themselves with that ends up generating the revenue to support our much more important I.T. industry selves do live in email and calendaring and meetings and office applications pretty much all day long. Microsoft calls them "Knowledge Workers", and understands their desktop preferences very very well.
The problem is that Lotus software appears to shrug off significant memory utilization, storage utilization, and startup performance.
Again, need to call you back on this one. Lotus has shown greater than 40% increase in the number of concurrent users that can be managed on a server at each version. They're showing a 35% decrease in storage space and a corresponding I/O performance gain in version 8.0.1 over any previous version. They're showing another 35% decrease is likely with new features in the 8.5 server due out this year. On the client side, the move to 8.0 does have a BIG performance hit. They agree that it does, and as such have release an 8.0 version that doesn't use the new UI framework for users who don't want that hit. There is a HUGE gain in capability in 8.0 that won't really be visible for 6-9 months at least because apps aren't built to use it yet. The good news in this space is that by the time the really cool driving applications for upgrade are hitting screens, average PC speeds will have made the difference up. I realize that's a tired old argument -- but its true. Making things pretty and slick, easy and rich, take massive amounts of power and space. That's why gaming machines are so much more expensive than work machines.
Like you, they seem to think theirs is the only set of applications that matter, and that a computers entire point in life is to run their application suite and a user should only use it too. As such, why not suck up the memory and have ungodly load times?
Actually, my own software, Second Signal, uses Domino
You said: "Unless they completely dumped their windowing model and overhauled their form display, it's still crap."
What part of "They've moved the entire thing into Eclipse, are using Eclipse as its windowing manager, and have opened the entire UI for developers of applications" are you not understanding?
Could it be because it prevents you from mod'ing up things you agree with, and mod'ing down things you don't without regard to their value as part of the conversation? You're not voting for a side in an argument when you mod. You're trying to increase the visibility of interesting and valuable information while lowering the visibility of crap. So far in this thread, you've only increased the latter.
It takes a long time to load, because its got all this java stuff in it. Sure. But 90% of people who use it live in it. Windows 3.0 took forever to load and if all you wanted to do was run excel and then close windows again it was a pain. Once people started living in it, it because the standard of its time.
Lotus Notes "Integrate OSS Apps" -- well, Symphony=OpenOffice+IBM and that's fully integrated. The software supports almost every standard in existence that's even remotely related to what it does (ldap, imap, pop, smtp, xml, html, css, javascript, java, odbc --and yes, on linux too, nntp, corba, webdev, and who know what all else).
Also, its Eclipse. It supports Eclipse Plug ins. Write one. Plug in anything you want.
Facts first:
.0 release.
/. community just looks like a bunch of sheep being led around without thought on. This is one of those knee-jerk reaction topics. Bitching about Notes from years past is about as easy as declaring "First Post" -- and about as useful.
1. If your experience with Notes does not include significant time spent with version 6.5 or later, your experience is as invalid as talking about Apple with your experience limited to using a Mac SE. Move on.
2. 6.5 - 7.0x are largely incremental improvements from an end-user perspective with gains mainly in performance and manageability on both client and workstation. Sure, there are some better UI things in 7.x than 6.5.x but generally they're not earth shattering.
3. 8.0 is the first release built on the Eclipse framework (which IBM calls Expediter), and while it adds a few new features it doesn't really capitalize on that framework much. Its a lot more overhead and represents huge potential but for the most part end users aren't seeing it yet. It also isn't on that many desktops yet. Its too new, and its a
4. 8.0.1 is where you start to see the benefit of running on the eclipse framework from an end user perspective and 8.5 will be a very long overdue blessing and relief for developers.
5. By moving to the Eclipse framework, IBM is now able to deliver full parity on the Macintosh operating systems this year (beta is out there now) as well as full parity on Linux desktops (they'll support Ubuntu, but it will RUN on many).
6. The BIGGEST benefit of moving to the Eclipse framework is that vendors of add-on products and high end developers can now do virtually anything in terms of both UI and FUNCTION up to and including a complete re-skinning of the client. With 8.5 the designer will also be that open. This removes a huge problem for ISV's since day 1. You can't sell a tool for the classic Notes client for real money because your stuck with the same UI available to the crappy code your I.T. department is putting out. No matter how good it is, it looks the same. That's over now. I've already seen amazingly graphical UI approaches from vendors that support graphical representations of data and gesture based controls.
---- now for an opinion or two:
There are only two real competitors in the ENTERPRISE mail and collaboration space. Microsoft (Exchange+outlook+vs.net+sharepoint+communications server+sql server+active directory+IIS) and IBM (Notes+Domino+Sametime). IBM has some variations on that theme as well (Portal - for connecting all that crap you have that doesn't natively talk to your other crap - Quicr, Connections, etc.). If you want enterprise class tools, those two choices represent more than 90% of the market. You can pick the Microsoft stack, in which case you must use all of it, all the time, and upgrade all at once when you upgrade any of it. Linux is totally unsupported, and Mac gets grade-b reluctant support. You can pick the IBM stack and run almost anyone's hardware, operating system, network, and tools or a mixture of all of them.
The IBM stack fully supports both Mac and Linux, and IBM has funded and continues to fund hundreds of full time positions doing all their work on fully open source projects (like Eclipse). What exactly, do you find wrong with that?
You don't like the way it looks? They've opened the UI now. Make it look like anything you want. You can use half a dozen languages to do it.
There are some things that the
If I could pay for what I use, I would. I'd rather pay for 1mb full duplex than 6mb down and 512kb up. For what I do (working with remote sites and voip) I'd be WAY better off.
The EC is critical in preventing the concentration of power within a few key high population areas. Without it, votes from people in Wyoming, Alaska, and other largely rural states would essentially face the decisions make in the big coastal cities.
Regardless of how you come down politically, I think we can agree that any long term concentration of power results in "bad things".
These kids are in high school. They're discovering new things. They spend a lot of time examining these new things they've discovered. They're to watch to see just how they move, and if the grow larger. Some time later, it is possible they'll have something named after them -- but they can't know for sure right away.
Yep. Sounds like high school to me.
As simple as a re-org? That's great news. Everyone who reads /. knows that from a management perspective, a re-org can solve any problem and only takes 90 days. After 90 days, all those problems are fixed and it is often time for another re-org to solve the next set of entirely different problems.
This may be frustrating for the patient, who will be totally unable to accomplish anything for the 30 days leading up to and the 30 days following the re-org; but hell, its not like they were going to run a marathon anyway. Just sit tight and you'll see, the re-org will be GOOD for your nervous system. Just the mention of a re-org makes everyone nervous.
I've found it very helpful in understanding key issues, and pointing out the common mistakes.