He the county clerk--it's his job to certify elections!
Correct. His job is to certify the elections. However, he doesn't do whatever he feels like whenever he feels like. If there are issues he has to report to his superiors. In this case the County Commissioners. The commissioners need to be kept in the loop with issues like this.
Do you think the head of the IT department would go out and buy new equipment and install it whenever they felt like it without informing the commisioners of what would be taking place and the interruption to operations by doing so? Of course not. This instance is not different.
I'm not disagreeing that he was doing his job. I was only pointing out the one minor flaw in his process. Granted, Diebold would have objected to the testing but as I said in my original comments he would have a more firm footing as to why he objects to the process and his lack of confidence in it.
By the end of the Monday meeting, Diebold engineers convinced the county commissioners the discrepancies in the machines' memory are the result of testing and of additional printing fonts.
"The problem is that instead of asking us or Diebold, Bruce Funk allowed a third party to put the warranty in jeopardy," Demma said in a telephone interview from Emery County. "If I sound frustrated, it's because I am frustrated. We don't know what they did to the machines. If Bruce would have just asked, we could have saved this forty grand."
First the BS part. If every machine is identical and every machine went through the same testing procedure then there shouldn't be ANY discrepancies in the machines memory. This is presuming that before the elections only that data necessary to perform the tabulation are on the systems. This is total BS to say that the discrepancies are the results of fonts.
As far as the $40,000 to 'fix' whatever is wrong with them, how does anyone know what needs to be fixed if Diebold doesn't allow anyone to test the machines? How does anyone know that Diebold won't surrepticiously make changes which could alter the outcome of an election by performing this fix?
Now for the truth part. By allowing a third party to examine the machines without notifying anyone, Funk did go a bit overboard. This is not to say that he went beyond his mandate to protect the integrity of the voting process. He should be commended for making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before allowing votes to be cast.
However, by not informing the commissioners of his desire to have a third-party examine the machines for flaws or outright corruption, he has invalidated any findings by Black Box since it is true no one knows what they did or did not do.
The correct process would have been to tell the commissioners of his desire for a third-party review and if they objected or if Diebold objected, he could have explained his reasonings why he wanted another set of eyes to check things out (which is pretty much what was said in the article). If they refused the request he would have a much more firm standing to say whether or not the machines will do what the manufacturer claims they will do since by not allowing the examination it would appear that they, either the commissioners or Dieblod (or both), have something to hide.
As it stands now he's shot himself in the foot because he went behind everyones back and secretly had someone else examine the machines.
What is truly interesting is that the commissioners don't appear to be interested in what Black Box found but are more concerned that they'll have to shell out $40,000. That doesn't sound like the people are too interested in ensuring that the machines will work correctly but are more concerned about bean counting.
If Funk does resign I hope he vehemently and vociferously expresses his doubts as to the capabilities of these machines and insist that people use absentee ballots to vote. He should make the rounds on tv so he can clearly explain why he has his doubts so the people can understand what is going on.
He's brainwashed his kids not to use Google or an iPod? What next? They can't use Firefox or Opera?
What happens when his kids visit their friends who have an iPod or who look up info using Google? Do they leave the room or do they wash their eyes and ears out with bleach afterwards?
It appears the recent decision to push back the release date of Vista isn't tied solely to the problems with the code. The real answer might have something to do with the jumping monkey.
And, is anyone else sick of the un-"stoppable" macromedia flash ads that suck up cpu and battery life? . . . Fuck Neumont! Fuck Flash ads!
I'm sick of Flash ads and Flash usage in general. I don't have Flash installed and I don't care to have Flash installed. While we're on the subject, STOP USING FLASH TO DISPLAY MOVIES!!! Give me an mpeg file so I can use whatever viewer I want. Stop forcing me to install an insecure product to see a movie clip or video.
Telling me to get FlashBlock doesn't solve the underlying issue. All that does is add another layer of complexity to a system. Apparently web designers have abandoned the KISS principle in an attempt to prove their 1337 coding skills.
Microsoft says Windows users should "take care not to visit unfamiliar or untrusted Web sites that could potentially host the malicious code" and that people who want to use IE should either disable "active scripting" or download the IE7 beta2 preview.
That's nice. Now when is Microsoft going to code IE7 to work on the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of pcs still running Windows 2000?
They're not? You mean I have to shell out more money to get a fix for a problem which is caused by their product?
Just another reason not to go with Vista. Another Mac convert on the way.
The laws of one state being forced on another is not right.
In some states you can be married, with parental consent, at the wonderful age of 14. This is not the case in most states.
If those 14 year old newlyweds go to another state which does not allow marriage until the age of 16, that state must still accept that those 14 year olds are married with all the attendant goodies that go along with it. That's what Article IV, Section 1 of the Consitution is all about.
We all know that Firefox has had (and still has) a lot of memory issues.
We do? Funny, I've been running FF since the 0.8 days (Phoenix) and have never had any memory issue. In fact, I've never had any issue other than one mini-crash which forced me to use a default profile until I pulled up my old one. Further, I've installed FF on several different systems, including W98, and not one of those systems has ever had a memory issue.
Looking at the FF boards it appears the issue is not so much with FF but the multitude of extensions that people think they need to install.
I don't normally check the Washington Post site but after reading the article I went to main page to see what was there. Near the bottom of the page, in a section called Security Fix, Brain Kregs had posted a story on March 9th titled 'Shadowboxing with a Bot Herder' wherein he talks about his conversation with a botnet owner called Witlog.
Besides the usual info about how many pcs he had infected (30,000 by his count), how he had done it (found software on a site) there was this bit at the end of the article from Symantec:
According to stats released this week by computer security giant Symantec Corp., the most common computer operating system found in botnets is Microsoft's Windows 2000, an OS predominantly used in business environments. Indeed, the vast majority of bots in Witlog's network were Win2K machines, and among the bots I saw were at least 40 computers owned by the Texas state government, as well as several systems on foreign government networks. At least one machine that he showed me from his botnet was located inside of a major U.S. defense contractor.
If for some reason you're fire averse a pair of scissors properly applied for about 10 seconds will prove sufficient to defeat the roll of tape.
You'd think so, wouldn't you. However, you might want to read this story about the Iranian students in 1979.
First three sentences of the fourth paragraph:
This was the situation up until November 1979 when Iranian students seized an entire archive of CIA and State Department documents, which represented one of the most extensive losses of secret data in the history of any modern intelligence service. Even though many of these documents were shredded into thin strips before the Embassy, and CIA base, was surrendered, the Iranians managed to piece them back together. They were then published in 1982 in 54 volumes under the title "Documents From the U.S. Espionage Den", and are sold in the United States for $246.50.
This particular story didn't say so but I read elsewhere that the students laid out the shredded documents on the floor of gymnasiums and pieced the documents back together.
This may be true but I still pay by check though I'm considering moving to cash, just like I do for gas. Cash only.
Yeah, it drives the credit agencies nuts because they can't track my credit history because I almost never have a credit bill (excluding my monthly ISP charge). The best they can do is see that I pay all my bills (electric, cable, etc) on time.
Merchants are certainly stymied because they can't gather enough information on me so they can't send me their snail mail spam.
No, I'm not paranoid. I just hate debt. Debt is evil. It sucks the life out of ones finances and inhibits the accumulation of wealth.
Granted, the current administration doesn't understand this but that's a whole other issue.
...from altering the backoffice of a supermarket...
Cashier: Um, $1 for 2 steaks? That can't be right.
Me: Sure it is. Look at the sticker. 50 cents a pound. The steaks weigh two pounds thus $1 for two steaks. Mad cow and all that.
Cashier: Ok, if the sticker says so, it must be right. *scan* *beep!* *scan* *beep!* *scan* *beep!*
While I know there are many on here who will say that these patents are bogus, eBay screwed up both by violating someones patent as well using the Buy It Now feature.
The article clearly states that eBay was in negotations to license this patent but negotiations broke off. eBay then went ahead, knowing that someone else held the patent to this service, and instituted Buy It Now anyway.
Further, Buy It Now is becoming the norm rather than the exception. When eBay started they were an online auction company. People put up stuff to sell and let the market determine the price.
Now, Buy It Now is overtaking the auction feature and dealers are holding sway. For example, I'm looking to add to my camera equipment. When I do a search for my particular type of lenses I get 11 pages back. Of those pages at least half are Buy It Now from dealers.
Do a search for lens accessories and 3/4 of the pages are from dealers. Camera cases? 90% of the listings are from dealers using Buy It Now.
I was fortunate enough to pick up a lens last weekend. I took a look at the bid history and checked the last person to bid (2 seconds before the auction closed). Sure enough they were a dealer and everything the person had for sale on their site was Buy It Now.
This is alot like flea markets nowadays. In the past the people selling stuff were like you and I. Now when you go there are dealers galore.
I'm not against the market system, that's what eBay was originally founded on. However, by allowing people, particularly dealers, to set a specific price, defeats the whole purpose of an auction.
Yeah, yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't buy from the dealers. I don't. The point is that when dealers control the vast majority of the listings that will drive the price up for everyone else since there will be fewer true auction listings for people to choose from.
Personally I can't wait to see Buy It Now be done away with.
On my way to work this morning I was listening to my local NPR station and they talked about this upcoming orbital insertion. One of the NASA folks who was interviewed said that not only are they worried about the actual insertion but the probe will be going behind Mars at about the same time.
They won't know with absolute certainty that everything is ok until the time has passed and the probe comes around the planet.
Wonder if they brought in a case of antacids to pass the time.
There were a few shows where it appeared that information was being entered via the tablets. I know during the trial of Data there was someone entering information on one of those pads. There were a few other, rare, occasions that this happened also.
That said, you are correct in that the vast majority of the time those tablets seemed to be used more for displaying information than recording. But they worked everywhere!
You do what the Street expects or your stock price pays the price.
So what you're saying is, "It would be unfortunate if anything happened to your store one night. Like a fire. For a small fee I can ensure that doesn't happen."
As a poster just up the way said, boo hoo. So long as Google isn't violating SEC rules or regulations they can do what they want regardless of the consequences. If they get hurt by it, that's their problem. If the shareholders get hurt, they will decide Googles fate, not the analysts.
Maybe those analysts should earn their obscene pay for once and do their own legwork to find out how well or poor Google is doing. It's easy to ask the goose that lays the golden eggs, "When's the next egg coming?". It's another thing to watch the goose for signs of when it's going to lay an egg.
The first thing I thought when I saw this was that it had some similarities to the tablets that were used on ST:TNG. It's about the same size though oriented differently, has (supposedly) communication wherever one is and appears to weigh about the same.
Granted on the TNG ones you could type directly on the screen but it looks like this might be the first true step towards those ubiquitous tablets.
Thank you for parsing the sentence that I wrote. I wasn't sure if I should have divided what I wanted to say into two different sentences or go for the gusto. Obviously I went for the latter. I've been working hard of late to correctly use commas to add pauses to long-winded sentences such as the one in question.
In this case it was me and not ScuttleMonkey who wrote the sentence. For once the editors are not to blame.
And that's the problem right there. There is no need to embed videos using flash. Stick up an mpeg file and let whatever program the person wants to display the video. The summary says video and I'm thinking QT, WMV or the aformentioned mpeg. Not Flash.
It was/is bad enough that some moron thought it would be a good idea to use Flash as the main page of a web site thus blocking people who use screen readers from accessing the site. Now they seem to think it's easier to take an already existing video format and redo it so it can be run in a different format.
Besides, Flash is one of the easiest ways for people to get spyware on their system. Simply telling people to get X product to block Flash when they have a hard enough time just turning their computer isn't a good enough answer.
At least when I submit stories I warn people if the article is in pdf format or a registration is required. It's not too much to ask that people be warned if Flash is required.
The article comes complete with a video clip of it going up several different surfaces."
It would be nice if submitters would warn people when Flash is required so those of us who don't bother with that nonsense wouldn't waste our time.
On a more ontopic note, does this remind anyone of that scene in the movie Runaway with Tom Selleck, Cynthia Rhodes, Kirstie Alley and Gene Simmons? The elevator on the side of the building which had very similar looking robots attacking Tom (and his son) with acid?
So in other words if I plug in www.live.com to get to the Live homepage I have to click on things to clear everything out compared to plugging in www.google.com and looking at an almost uncluttered page?
If this is Microsofts idea of competing with a simple idea, they have, not unsurprisingly, not understood what the word simplicity means.
Besides, if the settings I perform on the Live page are kept as a cookie on my machine I'd have to reset everything the next time I go back since I always clear my cookies at the end of every surfing session.
Nope, Galen it was. That's how I do searches. I start with as wide a search as possible and then filter from there.
Sure, Galen and medical would have been a better choice but I wanted to see how the two compared using the broadest possible search.
As I said in a post above, this was just a quick search to see the difference in results. It was not a full-blown test of either engine.
For the record, I just ran the search 'Galen medical' on both sites and on Live the first relevant link is sixth whereas on Google it is fourth. Using 'Galen and medical' returned the same results.
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Correct. His job is to certify the elections. However, he doesn't do whatever he feels like whenever he feels like. If there are issues he has to report to his superiors. In this case the County Commissioners. The commissioners need to be kept in the loop with issues like this.
Do you think the head of the IT department would go out and buy new equipment and install it whenever they felt like it without informing the commisioners of what would be taking place and the interruption to operations by doing so? Of course not. This instance is not different.
I'm not disagreeing that he was doing his job. I was only pointing out the one minor flaw in his process. Granted, Diebold would have objected to the testing but as I said in my original comments he would have a more firm footing as to why he objects to the process and his lack of confidence in it.
"The problem is that instead of asking us or Diebold, Bruce Funk allowed a third party to put the warranty in jeopardy," Demma said in a telephone interview from Emery County. "If I sound frustrated, it's because I am frustrated. We don't know what they did to the machines. If Bruce would have just asked, we could have saved this forty grand."
First the BS part. If every machine is identical and every machine went through the same testing procedure then there shouldn't be ANY discrepancies in the machines memory. This is presuming that before the elections only that data necessary to perform the tabulation are on the systems. This is total BS to say that the discrepancies are the results of fonts.
As far as the $40,000 to 'fix' whatever is wrong with them, how does anyone know what needs to be fixed if Diebold doesn't allow anyone to test the machines? How does anyone know that Diebold won't surrepticiously make changes which could alter the outcome of an election by performing this fix?
Now for the truth part. By allowing a third party to examine the machines without notifying anyone, Funk did go a bit overboard. This is not to say that he went beyond his mandate to protect the integrity of the voting process. He should be commended for making sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed before allowing votes to be cast.
However, by not informing the commissioners of his desire to have a third-party examine the machines for flaws or outright corruption, he has invalidated any findings by Black Box since it is true no one knows what they did or did not do.
The correct process would have been to tell the commissioners of his desire for a third-party review and if they objected or if Diebold objected, he could have explained his reasonings why he wanted another set of eyes to check things out (which is pretty much what was said in the article). If they refused the request he would have a much more firm standing to say whether or not the machines will do what the manufacturer claims they will do since by not allowing the examination it would appear that they, either the commissioners or Dieblod (or both), have something to hide.
As it stands now he's shot himself in the foot because he went behind everyones back and secretly had someone else examine the machines.
What is truly interesting is that the commissioners don't appear to be interested in what Black Box found but are more concerned that they'll have to shell out $40,000. That doesn't sound like the people are too interested in ensuring that the machines will work correctly but are more concerned about bean counting.
If Funk does resign I hope he vehemently and vociferously expresses his doubts as to the capabilities of these machines and insist that people use absentee ballots to vote. He should make the rounds on tv so he can clearly explain why he has his doubts so the people can understand what is going on.
He's brainwashed his kids not to use Google or an iPod? What next? They can't use Firefox or Opera?
What happens when his kids visit their friends who have an iPod or who look up info using Google? Do they leave the room or do they wash their eyes and ears out with bleach afterwards?
It appears the recent decision to push back the release date of Vista isn't tied solely to the problems with the code. The real answer might have something to do with the jumping monkey.
I'm sick of Flash ads and Flash usage in general. I don't have Flash installed and I don't care to have Flash installed. While we're on the subject, STOP USING FLASH TO DISPLAY MOVIES!!! Give me an mpeg file so I can use whatever viewer I want. Stop forcing me to install an insecure product to see a movie clip or video.
I've talked about the bane of Flash before and got modded Troll and was told to get with the times but I still stick by my assertions. Flash sucks.
Telling me to get FlashBlock doesn't solve the underlying issue. All that does is add another layer of complexity to a system. Apparently web designers have abandoned the KISS principle in an attempt to prove their 1337 coding skills.
They're looking for $2 billion? For a site that is nothing more than a glorified bulletin board?
Apparently in 7 years peoples memories have fallen by the wayside.
That's nice. Now when is Microsoft going to code IE7 to work on the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of pcs still running Windows 2000?
They're not? You mean I have to shell out more money to get a fix for a problem which is caused by their product?
Just another reason not to go with Vista. Another Mac convert on the way.
What makes it EXTREME! ME YELLING AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS!
That's right! Me yelling EXTREME EXTREME EXTREME makes the new Pentium chip, EXTREME!
Our EXTREME chip prices are INSANE!
(My apologies to The Simpsons and Crazy Eddie for the blatant, pathetic ripoff of their respective bits and commercials)
In some states you can be married, with parental consent, at the wonderful age of 14. This is not the case in most states.
If those 14 year old newlyweds go to another state which does not allow marriage until the age of 16, that state must still accept that those 14 year olds are married with all the attendant goodies that go along with it. That's what Article IV, Section 1 of the Consitution is all about.
We do? Funny, I've been running FF since the 0.8 days (Phoenix) and have never had any memory issue. In fact, I've never had any issue other than one mini-crash which forced me to use a default profile until I pulled up my old one. Further, I've installed FF on several different systems, including W98, and not one of those systems has ever had a memory issue.
Looking at the FF boards it appears the issue is not so much with FF but the multitude of extensions that people think they need to install.
Personally I'd rather have a doctor's office sans the video setup but with a few Philippine nurses on this end.
Besides the usual info about how many pcs he had infected (30,000 by his count), how he had done it (found software on a site) there was this bit at the end of the article from Symantec:
According to stats released this week by computer security giant Symantec Corp., the most common computer operating system found in botnets is Microsoft's Windows 2000, an OS predominantly used in business environments. Indeed, the vast majority of bots in Witlog's network were Win2K machines, and among the bots I saw were at least 40 computers owned by the Texas state government, as well as several systems on foreign government networks. At least one machine that he showed me from his botnet was located inside of a major U.S. defense contractor.
The permanent linnk for the article can be found here.
You'd think so, wouldn't you. However, you might want to read this story about the Iranian students in 1979.
First three sentences of the fourth paragraph:
This particular story didn't say so but I read elsewhere that the students laid out the shredded documents on the floor of gymnasiums and pieced the documents back together.
Especially in light of this story from two days ago which talked about Alienware and its founders.
This may be true but I still pay by check though I'm considering moving to cash, just like I do for gas. Cash only.
Yeah, it drives the credit agencies nuts because they can't track my credit history because I almost never have a credit bill (excluding my monthly ISP charge). The best they can do is see that I pay all my bills (electric, cable, etc) on time.
Merchants are certainly stymied because they can't gather enough information on me so they can't send me their snail mail spam.
No, I'm not paranoid. I just hate debt. Debt is evil. It sucks the life out of ones finances and inhibits the accumulation of wealth.
Granted, the current administration doesn't understand this but that's a whole other issue.
Cashier: Um, $1 for 2 steaks? That can't be right.
Me: Sure it is. Look at the sticker. 50 cents a pound. The steaks weigh two pounds thus $1 for two steaks. Mad cow and all that.
Cashier: Ok, if the sticker says so, it must be right. *scan* *beep!* *scan* *beep!* *scan* *beep!*
While I know there are many on here who will say that these patents are bogus, eBay screwed up both by violating someones patent as well using the Buy It Now feature.
The article clearly states that eBay was in negotations to license this patent but negotiations broke off. eBay then went ahead, knowing that someone else held the patent to this service, and instituted Buy It Now anyway.
Further, Buy It Now is becoming the norm rather than the exception. When eBay started they were an online auction company. People put up stuff to sell and let the market determine the price.
Now, Buy It Now is overtaking the auction feature and dealers are holding sway. For example, I'm looking to add to my camera equipment. When I do a search for my particular type of lenses I get 11 pages back. Of those pages at least half are Buy It Now from dealers.
Do a search for lens accessories and 3/4 of the pages are from dealers. Camera cases? 90% of the listings are from dealers using Buy It Now.
I was fortunate enough to pick up a lens last weekend. I took a look at the bid history and checked the last person to bid (2 seconds before the auction closed). Sure enough they were a dealer and everything the person had for sale on their site was Buy It Now.
This is alot like flea markets nowadays. In the past the people selling stuff were like you and I. Now when you go there are dealers galore.
I'm not against the market system, that's what eBay was originally founded on. However, by allowing people, particularly dealers, to set a specific price, defeats the whole purpose of an auction.
Yeah, yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't buy from the dealers. I don't. The point is that when dealers control the vast majority of the listings that will drive the price up for everyone else since there will be fewer true auction listings for people to choose from.
Personally I can't wait to see Buy It Now be done away with.
On my way to work this morning I was listening to my local NPR station and they talked about this upcoming orbital insertion. One of the NASA folks who was interviewed said that not only are they worried about the actual insertion but the probe will be going behind Mars at about the same time.
They won't know with absolute certainty that everything is ok until the time has passed and the probe comes around the planet.
Wonder if they brought in a case of antacids to pass the time.
There were a few shows where it appeared that information was being entered via the tablets. I know during the trial of Data there was someone entering information on one of those pads. There were a few other, rare, occasions that this happened also.
That said, you are correct in that the vast majority of the time those tablets seemed to be used more for displaying information than recording. But they worked everywhere!
So what you're saying is, "It would be unfortunate if anything happened to your store one night. Like a fire. For a small fee I can ensure that doesn't happen."
As a poster just up the way said, boo hoo. So long as Google isn't violating SEC rules or regulations they can do what they want regardless of the consequences. If they get hurt by it, that's their problem. If the shareholders get hurt, they will decide Googles fate, not the analysts.
Maybe those analysts should earn their obscene pay for once and do their own legwork to find out how well or poor Google is doing. It's easy to ask the goose that lays the golden eggs, "When's the next egg coming?". It's another thing to watch the goose for signs of when it's going to lay an egg.
The first thing I thought when I saw this was that it had some similarities to the tablets that were used on ST:TNG. It's about the same size though oriented differently, has (supposedly) communication wherever one is and appears to weigh about the same.
Granted on the TNG ones you could type directly on the screen but it looks like this might be the first true step towards those ubiquitous tablets.
Thank you for parsing the sentence that I wrote. I wasn't sure if I should have divided what I wanted to say into two different sentences or go for the gusto. Obviously I went for the latter. I've been working hard of late to correctly use commas to add pauses to long-winded sentences such as the one in question.
In this case it was me and not ScuttleMonkey who wrote the sentence. For once the editors are not to blame.
And that's the problem right there. There is no need to embed videos using flash. Stick up an mpeg file and let whatever program the person wants to display the video. The summary says video and I'm thinking QT, WMV or the aformentioned mpeg. Not Flash.
It was/is bad enough that some moron thought it would be a good idea to use Flash as the main page of a web site thus blocking people who use screen readers from accessing the site. Now they seem to think it's easier to take an already existing video format and redo it so it can be run in a different format.
Besides, Flash is one of the easiest ways for people to get spyware on their system. Simply telling people to get X product to block Flash when they have a hard enough time just turning their computer isn't a good enough answer.
At least when I submit stories I warn people if the article is in pdf format or a registration is required. It's not too much to ask that people be warned if Flash is required.
It would be nice if submitters would warn people when Flash is required so those of us who don't bother with that nonsense wouldn't waste our time.
On a more ontopic note, does this remind anyone of that scene in the movie Runaway with Tom Selleck, Cynthia Rhodes, Kirstie Alley and Gene Simmons? The elevator on the side of the building which had very similar looking robots attacking Tom (and his son) with acid?
So in other words if I plug in www.live.com to get to the Live homepage I have to click on things to clear everything out compared to plugging in www.google.com and looking at an almost uncluttered page?
If this is Microsofts idea of competing with a simple idea, they have, not unsurprisingly, not understood what the word simplicity means.
Besides, if the settings I perform on the Live page are kept as a cookie on my machine I'd have to reset everything the next time I go back since I always clear my cookies at the end of every surfing session.
Nope, Galen it was. That's how I do searches. I start with as wide a search as possible and then filter from there.
Sure, Galen and medical would have been a better choice but I wanted to see how the two compared using the broadest possible search.
As I said in a post above, this was just a quick search to see the difference in results. It was not a full-blown test of either engine.
For the record, I just ran the search 'Galen medical' on both sites and on Live the first relevant link is sixth whereas on Google it is fourth. Using 'Galen and medical' returned the same results.