How is someone spending money the way they want spending wastefully? It's their money. They can do with it what they want. I am sure you buy things that others would consider a waste.
Sure, why not Russia. It's not as if Putin has ever shut down newspapers, radio, tv stations or other independent media because they didn't sing the tune Putin wanted them to.
I don't think you could find a better place to store a repository of internet web pages, some of which might contain information Putin finds objectionable because they show the facts of his corruption and abuse of power. What could possibly go wrong?
I've never heard of these people. Are they supposed to be important or contributing to society in any way?
After all, every time we hear about a new mission to Mars or somewhere in space someone always asks why we're "wasting" money on research and discovery rather than poverty (which has always existed) or some fantasy about "curing" cancer.
Considering Republican Chief Justice John Roberts has said it's appropriate for the executive branch of the federal government to make a regulation requiring people to hand over their money to a private company whether they want to or not, I think we're well beyond anything in the Constitutional Convention.
Of course you focus on the messenger far too much and ignore the more obvious.
Funny thing about that. I posted factual stories about the death threats electoral candidates had received from Trump supporters during the primary, posted factual stories about death threats mosques are receiving from Trump supporters after the election, posted factual stories about the many failings Trump has (businesses, sexual assaults, outright lies), posted factual stories about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and yet oddly, that is exactly what people like you focused on. Not the story itself, but the source.
Because those stories came from legitimate news sources they were denounced because they came from the "mainstream media". I even posted a link from a non-"mainstream media" source who was adamant that Hillary would win the election because they had it on good authority the election was rigged to show how un-factual non-"mainstream media" are./. even has had a few recent stories about the fake "news" which has been going around.
Funny how factual stories, because they come the "mainstream media", are thrown aside, while their factual content is ignored like your claim. So let's play the game. Here is a factual story about the terrorists in Ukraine openly admitting Russian troops are helping them as well as Russia supplying them with arms, munitions and even troops. Let's see how fast all the facts I have posted can be modded down to -1. I give it ten minutes at the most.
And there it is. It's the uneducated angry white guy who voted the con-artist into office because they were too stupid to think for themselves, not to mention the white supremacists.
These people swallowed every lie fed to them, hook, line and sinker, because, as is repeatedly mentioned on here, they didn't adapt to the changing work environment. Instead of realizing coal would never be king again and looking to other job opportunities such as wind or solar power, like the farrier and blacksmith of yore they clung desperately to the past. They fought tooth and nail every renewable energy project which might have provided them with good paying, sustainable jobs because they were too stupid to look beyond their back door.
Tell me, in four years when absolutely nothing has changed, who are these people going to blame? I can guarantee their stupidity will be on full display when they place blame everywhere else (liberals, socialists, blacks, hispanics, etc) rather than on Trump who made grand promises which he had no way and no intention of every keeping.
Trump is a showman like Lyle Lanley who promised Springfield the world if they built a monorail, except in the end, Trump will still pocket millions because of his conflicts of interest while the coal miners will be no further along and still just a bunch of angry white men.
Not to mention this is the same guy who claims he wants to bring jobs back to America but uses illegal foreign workers on his projects, buys Chinese steel rather than American steel and has his name brand products made in China and Mexico.
He's already said he wants to get rid of safety and consumer-friendly regulations so why would anyone think he'd do anything to a program which is now used as an excuse to not hire American workers?
But please, let's hear how it's only Hillary's supporters who are sending out death threats. After all, when it comes to Trump and his supporters, facts don't matter.
Now that Hillary has lost, her supports can't accept the results.
False. Hillary Clinton has accepted the results. That's why she gave her concession speech.
Her supporters, while appalled at the results and letting their opinions known, have also accepted the results.
Death threats to electors.
You do know Republicans were trying to bribe electors during the primary to not vote for Trump, don't you? That's right. Those god-fearing, family values Republicans were offering cash, or other, bribes to state electors to not vote for Trump but someone like Mark Rubio. But that's okay, right?
Offering the pay fines for electors who break the law.
The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled on whether levying the fines in the first place is constitutional since nowhere in the Constitution does it say electors must vote for a person or face a penalty for not doing so.
Also, several electors have said they may not vote for Trump, including this one from Texas who interprets (a la the late Justice Scalia) the Constitutional electoral college requirement to mean he has the right to "take a look at all the facts, figure it out and make the right call."
Also, as you'll also note, the elector said since his district would most likely vote for Clinton, he could use that as another reason not to vote for Trump since he was doing the bidding of the electors.
Jill Stein taking donations to force a recount where even she says that there was no fraudulent or illegal activity.
So it's like the supposed "massive" voter fraud which Republicans claim is going on but have provided zero evidence for yet still pass laws to prevent something which doesn't exist?
Further, there is evidence (see the previous/. story) to suggest something odd may be going on in those three big states where electronic voting was used. Wouldn't it be nice to be sure that a vote cast for Trump was recorded for Trump and not Hillary, and vice versa? If you're so sure nothing illegal is going on then why not go ahead and do a recount? It's not your money being used since Stein is the one who has to pay for it.
MSM story after story about how the circumvent the will of the people.
Ah yes, the canard of the mainstream media. The ones who report as accurately as they can rather than making shit up (see today's story about Fox's fake story about porn on CNN). Let me show you how great those not-MSM folks are:
We already knew Fox was a fake "news" site. They mindlessly repeated the Republican lie of wmds in Iraq despite reputable news site asking the hard questions about the supposed evidence.
Even when presented with absolute proof the yellowcake document was a forgery, Fox still ran stories using that document as evidence, then turned around and blamed Valerie Plame's husband for showing the document was fake.
Not all that surprising coming from a tabloid. This is the same organization whose reporter tried to call out a CNN reporter, claiming he allowed himself to be used as a human shield by Qadaffi to protect an installation, when the reality was there were multiple journalists taken to the same site, including someone from Fox.
What makes the fake story from Fox so funny is twofold:
A) the Fox reporter was seen on multiple occasions talking with Libyan officials during breakfast and
B) the folks from Fox were very rarely seen outside of the hotel the journalists were staying at.
Exactly, like this gem from the New Yorker article:
Islam is not a religion, Flynn and Ledeen wrote, but a political ideology bent on destroying Judeo-Christian civilization. Flynn began saying that he had been fired because President Obama disagreed with his views on terrorism and wanted to hide the growth of ISIS. I haven't found anyone yet who heard him say this while he was still in the military. In the past, I've asked Flynn directly about this claim; he has told me that he doesn't have any proof -- it's just something he feels was true.
Wow! Much insight. So truthful.
Or this as well:
The lifelong intelligence officer, who once valued tips gleaned from tribal reporters, has become a ready tweeter of hackneyed conspiracy theories. He reposts the vitriol of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim commentators. "Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL," he tweeted in February, linking to a false claim that Islam wants eighty per cent of humanity enslaved or exterminated.
So yeah, I can see how it's all conjecture when it comes straight from the guy's mouth or his own postings. Complete fabrications. Nothing but fake news.
In PA you need to show proof of it and what they provided was nothing close to be counted as proof.
Just like in PA where the claim of "massive" voter fraud has been tossed about for years despite not a single case being shown as proof. Yet apparently not providing proof was sufficient enough for the legislature to pass a law to prevent this "massive" voter fraud.
If no proof of "massive" voter fraud was sufficient to get the gears rolling then there's no reason not to recount the ballots despite the limited amount of evidence presented. You can't have it both ways.
Also, while Michigan may use paper ballots, it still uses a computer to record the votes. Straight from the Michigan Secretary of State web site:
All voters in Michigan use optical scan ballots. Optical scan voting requires voters to either darken an oval or connect the head and tail of an arrow next to each of their choices on their ballot. Completed ballots are fed into a tabulator, which scans and records the votes. (italics mine)
That right there is the rub. How does one know the electronic machine is correctly recording the votes? Just because a vote is registered does not mean it was registered correctly. Since Michigan has paper ballots, hand count them. It's the easiest way to see if there are any irregularities.
Let's cut the corporate tax down as close to zero as possible.
Which means the individual tax rate will have to go up accordingly. Granted, people like Trump won't pay an increase in taxes which means the middle class will once again get shafted.
If you think this isn't the case, look to Europe. They have low business tax rates but high personal tax rates. The tax revenue lost from low corporate tax rates has to be made up somehow and the only two ways to do that are to raise rates on individuals or through taxes at the local level.
Is it really the end goal of the US government to prevent people from voting?
Yes. It is fairly well established the more people vote the more likely it is an incumbent will not be re-elected. In fact, one of the founders of the Heritage Foundation has stated he doesn't want everyone to vote.
If you have followed U.S. politics in the last decade you will have noticed a concerted effort by Republicans to make it more difficult for people to vote. The excuse is there's rampant voter fraud going on yet with the exception of a few isolated cases, they have never shown this "rampant" fraud.
Which brings us full circle to the issue at hand. In my area the Republican-led districts have gone ahead with these electronic voting machines which have no way to verify votes are being correctly recorded. When asked about this issue their response has been, more or less, "Computers don't make mistakes".
Which is funny because if they're claiming voter fraud how do they know it's going on if one can't verify the vote being cast?
Because Diebold et al have steadfastly refused to provide a verifiable paper trail, claiming it's too complicated, or incorporate any kind of audit log, we will never know if the votes which people cast were correctly recorded.
This applies to anyone during any election these machines have been in place, not only this one.
According to some polls, only 3% of them voted for Trump.
Sounds plausible. Trump polled poorly among people with a higher education. Perhaps that "indoctrination" allowed people to see him for the con artist he truly is.
if we weren't trying to technology the crap out of everything we wouldn't have so many problems.
It's an absolute factual truism, the more complicated you make something the more problems you will have and these "entertainment systems" are living proof.
Apparently in the mind of engineers a simple on/off knob, one which can be easily felt and operated without taking ones eyes off the road is now verboten. Instead, one now has to look at a screen, in the middle of the car, hope they find the correct icon to select, touch some more icons to get closer to what they want, possible go through a menu system and if they're lucky, at that point can finally listen to the radio or play music.
Whatever happened to, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."?
"EM>Just a few days ago the NYT reported that Trump poisoned Megan Kelly
False. They implied she had been poisoned using her book as the reference. Here are her comments regarding that issue:
Kelly also wrote that on the day of the debate, what The Times describes as an "overzealous, suspiciously enthusiastic driver" drove her to the event and insisted on making her coffee. She writes that she drank it and then was violently ill within 15 minutes, according to The Times. "Ms. Kelly never says outright that someone tried to poison her," The Times reported. (A stomach bug was going around, she notes.) But the episode spooked her enough that she shared it later with Roger Ailes and a lawyer friend of his. Foul play? Again: She reports. You decide."
So in her own book Kelly specifically recounts the events then says she was spooked enough by the "coincidence" that she spoke to Ailes (someone who had been sexually harassing her for some time) and a lawyer. As the ending says, she reported on what happened, you are supposed to decide what it means.
Taking the events as she described them, it is quite plausible someone on the Trump side may have wanted to poison her, or at the very least make her ill, because she didn't cowtow to Trump. Remember, Trump's camp are the same ones who claimed an "assassination" attempt at his one rally without a shred of evidence and no confirmation from the Secret Service.
What makes the Trump claim so false was if there had been an assassination attempt, do you think the Secret Service would have allowed him to return to the stage? Of course not, but the Trump camp put out the fake story anyway.
But as usual, facts don't matter to Trump and his supporters. Not his dealings with an Iranian bank which funnels money to terrorists, not his dealings with Cuba during the embargo, not his assaults on women, not his use of illegal immigrants on his construction projects, not his use of Chinese rather than American steel, not his name brand clothes being made in Mexico or China. Nope, none of that matters because unlike the fake attempt on his life, facts don't matter.
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Or you could simply carry cash and be nearly anonymous rather than not-even-close-to-being anonymous with an app.
I know. Simplicity is too simple.
Which means the economy will falter as it usually has when Republicans control both the White House and Congress.
How is someone spending money the way they want spending wastefully? It's their money. They can do with it what they want. I am sure you buy things that others would consider a waste.
Also, speaking of idiots, the word is you're.
Sure, why not Russia. It's not as if Putin has ever shut down newspapers, radio, tv stations or other independent media because they didn't sing the tune Putin wanted them to.
I don't think you could find a better place to store a repository of internet web pages, some of which might contain information Putin finds objectionable because they show the facts of his corruption and abuse of power. What could possibly go wrong?
I've never heard of these people. Are they supposed to be important or contributing to society in any way?
After all, every time we hear about a new mission to Mars or somewhere in space someone always asks why we're "wasting" money on research and discovery rather than poverty (which has always existed) or some fantasy about "curing" cancer.
Considering Republican Chief Justice John Roberts has said it's appropriate for the executive branch of the federal government to make a regulation requiring people to hand over their money to a private company whether they want to or not, I think we're well beyond anything in the Constitutional Convention.
Of course you focus on the messenger far too much and ignore the more obvious.
/. even has had a few recent stories about the fake "news" which has been going around.
Funny thing about that. I posted factual stories about the death threats electoral candidates had received from Trump supporters during the primary, posted factual stories about death threats mosques are receiving from Trump supporters after the election, posted factual stories about the many failings Trump has (businesses, sexual assaults, outright lies), posted factual stories about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and yet oddly, that is exactly what people like you focused on. Not the story itself, but the source.
Because those stories came from legitimate news sources they were denounced because they came from the "mainstream media". I even posted a link from a non-"mainstream media" source who was adamant that Hillary would win the election because they had it on good authority the election was rigged to show how un-factual non-"mainstream media" are.
Funny how factual stories, because they come the "mainstream media", are thrown aside, while their factual content is ignored like your claim. So let's play the game. Here is a factual story about the terrorists in Ukraine openly admitting Russian troops are helping them as well as Russia supplying them with arms, munitions and even troops. Let's see how fast all the facts I have posted can be modded down to -1. I give it ten minutes at the most.
RT? That's what you're using as a source? The state-sponsored mouthpiece for Russia? The "news" organization who only says what Putin tells them?
I'd take the Fox tabloid over RT any day. At least Fox puts out something truthful once in a while.
a blue collar high school educated white man
And there it is. It's the uneducated angry white guy who voted the con-artist into office because they were too stupid to think for themselves, not to mention the white supremacists.
These people swallowed every lie fed to them, hook, line and sinker, because, as is repeatedly mentioned on here, they didn't adapt to the changing work environment. Instead of realizing coal would never be king again and looking to other job opportunities such as wind or solar power, like the farrier and blacksmith of yore they clung desperately to the past. They fought tooth and nail every renewable energy project which might have provided them with good paying, sustainable jobs because they were too stupid to look beyond their back door.
Tell me, in four years when absolutely nothing has changed, who are these people going to blame? I can guarantee their stupidity will be on full display when they place blame everywhere else (liberals, socialists, blacks, hispanics, etc) rather than on Trump who made grand promises which he had no way and no intention of every keeping.
Trump is a showman like Lyle Lanley who promised Springfield the world if they built a monorail, except in the end, Trump will still pocket millions because of his conflicts of interest while the coal miners will be no further along and still just a bunch of angry white men.
Not to mention this is the same guy who claims he wants to bring jobs back to America but uses illegal foreign workers on his projects, buys Chinese steel rather than American steel and has his name brand products made in China and Mexico.
He's already said he wants to get rid of safety and consumer-friendly regulations so why would anyone think he'd do anything to a program which is now used as an excuse to not hire American workers?
I almost forgot. Here is one example of the death threats Trump supporters have been handing out since his not-yet-verified election, not to mention a woman who took a picture with herself and Hillary Clinton after the election has been receiving death threats from Trump supporters.
And while we're on the topic of death threats, you conveniently forgot Trump supporters did the exact same thing during the primary.
But please, let's hear how it's only Hillary's supporters who are sending out death threats. After all, when it comes to Trump and his supporters, facts don't matter.
Now that Hillary has lost, her supports can't accept the results.
/. story) to suggest something odd may be going on in those three big states where electronic voting was used. Wouldn't it be nice to be sure that a vote cast for Trump was recorded for Trump and not Hillary, and vice versa? If you're so sure nothing illegal is going on then why not go ahead and do a recount? It's not your money being used since Stein is the one who has to pay for it.
False. Hillary Clinton has accepted the results. That's why she gave her concession speech.
Her supporters, while appalled at the results and letting their opinions known, have also accepted the results.
Death threats to electors.
You do know Republicans were trying to bribe electors during the primary to not vote for Trump, don't you? That's right. Those god-fearing, family values Republicans were offering cash, or other, bribes to state electors to not vote for Trump but someone like Mark Rubio. But that's okay, right?
Offering the pay fines for electors who break the law.
The U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled on whether levying the fines in the first place is constitutional since nowhere in the Constitution does it say electors must vote for a person or face a penalty for not doing so.
Also, several electors have said they may not vote for Trump, including this one from Texas who interprets (a la the late Justice Scalia) the Constitutional electoral college requirement to mean he has the right to "take a look at all the facts, figure it out and make the right call."
Also, as you'll also note, the elector said since his district would most likely vote for Clinton, he could use that as another reason not to vote for Trump since he was doing the bidding of the electors.
Jill Stein taking donations to force a recount where even she says that there was no fraudulent or illegal activity.
So it's like the supposed "massive" voter fraud which Republicans claim is going on but have provided zero evidence for yet still pass laws to prevent something which doesn't exist?
Further, there is evidence (see the previous
MSM story after story about how the circumvent the will of the people.
Ah yes, the canard of the mainstream media. The ones who report as accurately as they can rather than making shit up (see today's story about Fox's fake story about porn on CNN). Let me show you how great those not-MSM folks are:
Electoral college victory guaranteed for Hillary. As you can see, everything was rigged by the democrats which is why Hillary won.
We already knew Fox was a fake "news" site. They mindlessly repeated the Republican lie of wmds in Iraq despite reputable news site asking the hard questions about the supposed evidence.
Even when presented with absolute proof the yellowcake document was a forgery, Fox still ran stories using that document as evidence, then turned around and blamed Valerie Plame's husband for showing the document was fake.
We're talking about Fox News. Due diligence and legitimacy are not in their lexicon.
Not all that surprising coming from a tabloid. This is the same organization whose reporter tried to call out a CNN reporter, claiming he allowed himself to be used as a human shield by Qadaffi to protect an installation, when the reality was there were multiple journalists taken to the same site, including someone from Fox.
What makes the fake story from Fox so funny is twofold:
A) the Fox reporter was seen on multiple occasions talking with Libyan officials during breakfast and
B) the folks from Fox were very rarely seen outside of the hotel the journalists were staying at.
Everything else in the summary is conjecture.
Exactly, like this gem from the New Yorker article:
Islam is not a religion, Flynn and Ledeen wrote, but a political ideology bent on destroying Judeo-Christian civilization. Flynn began saying that he had been fired because President Obama disagreed with his views on terrorism and wanted to hide the growth of ISIS. I haven't found anyone yet who heard him say this while he was still in the military. In the past, I've asked Flynn directly about this claim; he has told me that he doesn't have any proof -- it's just something he feels was true.
Wow! Much insight. So truthful.
Or this as well:
The lifelong intelligence officer, who once valued tips gleaned from tribal reporters, has become a ready tweeter of hackneyed conspiracy theories. He reposts the vitriol of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim commentators. "Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL," he tweeted in February, linking to a false claim that Islam wants eighty per cent of humanity enslaved or exterminated.
So yeah, I can see how it's all conjecture when it comes straight from the guy's mouth or his own postings. Complete fabrications. Nothing but fake news.
In PA you need to show proof of it and what they provided was nothing close to be counted as proof.
Just like in PA where the claim of "massive" voter fraud has been tossed about for years despite not a single case being shown as proof. Yet apparently not providing proof was sufficient enough for the legislature to pass a law to prevent this "massive" voter fraud.
If no proof of "massive" voter fraud was sufficient to get the gears rolling then there's no reason not to recount the ballots despite the limited amount of evidence presented. You can't have it both ways.
Also, while Michigan may use paper ballots, it still uses a computer to record the votes. Straight from the Michigan Secretary of State web site:
All voters in Michigan use optical scan ballots. Optical scan voting requires voters to either darken an oval or connect the head and tail of an arrow next to each of their choices on their ballot. Completed ballots are fed into a tabulator, which scans and records the votes. (italics mine)
That right there is the rub. How does one know the electronic machine is correctly recording the votes? Just because a vote is registered does not mean it was registered correctly. Since Michigan has paper ballots, hand count them. It's the easiest way to see if there are any irregularities.
But being in Epstein's little black book isn't a big deal? Hanging out with Epstein at his underage parties isn't a big deal?
Let's cut the corporate tax down as close to zero as possible.
Which means the individual tax rate will have to go up accordingly. Granted, people like Trump won't pay an increase in taxes which means the middle class will once again get shafted.
If you think this isn't the case, look to Europe. They have low business tax rates but high personal tax rates. The tax revenue lost from low corporate tax rates has to be made up somehow and the only two ways to do that are to raise rates on individuals or through taxes at the local level.
Is it really the end goal of the US government to prevent people from voting?
Yes. It is fairly well established the more people vote the more likely it is an incumbent will not be re-elected. In fact, one of the founders of the Heritage Foundation has stated he doesn't want everyone to vote.
If you have followed U.S. politics in the last decade you will have noticed a concerted effort by Republicans to make it more difficult for people to vote. The excuse is there's rampant voter fraud going on yet with the exception of a few isolated cases, they have never shown this "rampant" fraud.
Which brings us full circle to the issue at hand. In my area the Republican-led districts have gone ahead with these electronic voting machines which have no way to verify votes are being correctly recorded. When asked about this issue their response has been, more or less, "Computers don't make mistakes".
Which is funny because if they're claiming voter fraud how do they know it's going on if one can't verify the vote being cast?
Because Diebold et al have steadfastly refused to provide a verifiable paper trail, claiming it's too complicated, or incorporate any kind of audit log, we will never know if the votes which people cast were correctly recorded.
This applies to anyone during any election these machines have been in place, not only this one.
According to some polls, only 3% of them voted for Trump.
Sounds plausible. Trump polled poorly among people with a higher education. Perhaps that "indoctrination" allowed people to see him for the con artist he truly is.
which is defended by the Democratic Party.
The very point I was making. Thank you.
I have now downloaded the remaining episodes.
But you never paid for any of the shows in the first place and you never will so you're still a thief.
if we weren't trying to technology the crap out of everything we wouldn't have so many problems.
It's an absolute factual truism, the more complicated you make something the more problems you will have and these "entertainment systems" are living proof.
Apparently in the mind of engineers a simple on/off knob, one which can be easily felt and operated without taking ones eyes off the road is now verboten. Instead, one now has to look at a screen, in the middle of the car, hope they find the correct icon to select, touch some more icons to get closer to what they want, possible go through a menu system and if they're lucky, at that point can finally listen to the radio or play music.
Whatever happened to, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."?
"EM>Just a few days ago the NYT reported that Trump poisoned Megan Kelly
False. They implied she had been poisoned using her book as the reference. Here are her comments regarding that issue:
Kelly also wrote that on the day of the debate, what The Times describes as an "overzealous, suspiciously enthusiastic driver" drove her to the event and insisted on making her coffee. She writes that she drank it and then was violently ill within 15 minutes, according to The Times. "Ms. Kelly never says outright that someone tried to poison her," The Times reported. (A stomach bug was going around, she notes.) But the episode spooked her enough that she shared it later with Roger Ailes and a lawyer friend of his. Foul play? Again: She reports. You decide."
So in her own book Kelly specifically recounts the events then says she was spooked enough by the "coincidence" that she spoke to Ailes (someone who had been sexually harassing her for some time) and a lawyer. As the ending says, she reported on what happened, you are supposed to decide what it means.
Taking the events as she described them, it is quite plausible someone on the Trump side may have wanted to poison her, or at the very least make her ill, because she didn't cowtow to Trump. Remember, Trump's camp are the same ones who claimed an "assassination" attempt at his one rally without a shred of evidence and no confirmation from the Secret Service.
What makes the Trump claim so false was if there had been an assassination attempt, do you think the Secret Service would have allowed him to return to the stage? Of course not, but the Trump camp put out the fake story anyway.
But as usual, facts don't matter to Trump and his supporters. Not his dealings with an Iranian bank which funnels money to terrorists, not his dealings with Cuba during the embargo, not his assaults on women, not his use of illegal immigrants on his construction projects, not his use of Chinese rather than American steel, not his name brand clothes being made in Mexico or China. Nope, none of that matters because unlike the fake attempt on his life, facts don't matter.