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That's very true. There are ways to make the port knock less predictable, in a way much similar to SMART cards, or put it through an encrypted tunnel, or such (like most slashdotters, I speak all my opinions *before* even bothering with the article, so I don't know what was actually mentioned).
But, I just want anybody who thinks "Oh, OK, this is a simple way to get infinite security!" to be uh... less disillusioned?:)
Yeah, but you don't send out public packets when opening a combination lock.
Plus, thing about it this way: * someone notices an SSH connection * someone portscans, notices port 22 is closed * someone thinks, "hm, there was that/. article..." * someone waits around for you to re-connect, and watches what closed ports you connect to
GPS is the best way to go. Failing that, I used a system a bit like the following: Every ~25 seconds, laptop records WiFi signal strengths and network names and such to record #N, and emits a pair of tones corresponding to the last digit of N (I used musical intervals and the first tone was always the same; for the zero digit, the second note of the pair was null---in other words, a single tone). I carried a clipboard, which I would number as I went along, and fill in my approximate location. I could make sure I kept sync between laptop and clipboard based on the tones. I also had the laptop emit, 1.5 seconds later, another pair of tones, an octave up from before, with a similar system, telling me how many network APs were nearby; then I could know if I was in a "hot" zone or a "dead" zone and continue my explorations in light of that information
Yes, I used headphones. Yes, people looked at me funny... but oh well.
I wrote a bunch of Scheme code for The GIMP that plotted all the records on a multilayered campus map (I would have to figure out my coordinates from my clipboard notes by hand, later, but it wasn't hard, and once I got into the swing of it, it went very quickly), then plotted what kind of speed was available at each access point, and tried to estimate the position of any given AP node based on where it could be detected from.
In retrospect, two things I would have done differently: * used GPS. would have saved a LOT of work. but I'm poor, and I don't yet have a receiver... * used the signal strength to weight the AP-locating algorithm, so it would be more accurate * made an additional layer, showing the signal strength using color shading or something
Actually, the proper technique is called "packet fragmentation." Before departure, the pigeon drops the large packet high over rocks and it fragments everywhere. Multiple pigeons can then each grab fragments well within the Maximum Carrying Unit, and the destination party gets the job of reassembling the packet. Unfortunately, the fragments may be more difficult for the pigeons to carry, and they are more likely to get dropped, especially out there in where the routes the pigeons take might be loaded with unexpected hinderances...
Okay, okay, so I shouldn't quit my day job, I know...
The way this has been done for years is to plug a thermistor straight into the joystick port. The PC uses a one-shot astable multivibrator (did I get that right? I always screw up the terminology) which oscillates with a frequency inversely proportional to a resistance, and the period is measured (in software) to determine the resistance. You can then use a lookup table or interpolation curve to get the temperature. Have a process that asks for real time priority (so it doesn't accidentally miscount/mismeasure the hardware data), stick it in crond, and there you go.
I don't know of a USB solution, but what about a USB game port (do such things exist)? Surely they wouldn't be very expensive.
Our dorm has something like six pairs of recepticles, and we have 11-outlet strips plugged into each and every one to power my many boxen. We're not allowed to use extension cords or piggyback surges strips, so we have to be careful and plan very well...
I also haven't turned on all the machines at once, because I'm fairly sure it would kill the circuit. I used to have half of these machines spread in my basement, and the load they would generate if they all switched on simultaneously, as the drives and fans were spinning up, was enormous; it would trip the breaker every time.
I think the implied problem was the connectivity that was provided by ISPs and backbone segments running off the affected sections of the power grid.
If the Internet were more redundant and ad-hoc (less backbone-centric), it would recover from problems better. That's how it was originally envisioned; unfortunately, the commercialization of NSFNet has largely destroyed this approach, for better or worse.
We have a more organized network, but it's very dependent on critical points because of it's multiplexing organization strategy, so when that fails...
Yes... tempest-ng:) Plus you can snoop modem links by monitoring LEDs, etc etc. But, LCDs are not prone to that, and people are moving increasingly toward LCDs.
I realize now that there are a few glaring problems in my post. But I'm too lazy to fix them:)
I would say that Internet connections are somewhat different from phone connections. If you're using your neighbor's line, you have exclusive access to it until you're done; however, Internet connections can be *easily* shared. Additionally, most people with Wi-Fi have broadband, and have significant amounts of bandwidth 24/7 that often go unused, and you are not billed online based on which addresses you visit, whereas phones what with 900 numbers and long distance are billed much differently. Phone numbers can also be instantly attached to a person's name, enabling you to steal their identity, but IP addresses are much harder to track down, are often shared, change often, and so Internet sites generally aren't going to attach anything useful to your IP address.
I might add that I think it's more serious to snoop on someone's private communication on a WLAN than to snoop on a phone call; until recently, you could often hear your neighbor's phone conversations faintly in your receiver <b>anyway</b> if you had copper circuits, so people often assumed that phones weren't too private. (Plus, unless you're home alone with the windows shut, your phone call isn't private, because sound carries... light, from a computer monitor, is easily blocked and privatized.)
But what it comes down to is---if you're using someone else's resources without their knowledge, but not denying their service, not potentially framing them for something, not stealing their identity, and not causing them any burden, financial or otherwise, have you done anything ethically wrong? "Property" is not a universal concept (consider many Native American and African tribes, for example), so it can't be universally ethically wrong to borrow "property" without causing harm. (I am using property in the broad sense of ownership, not the specific materialistic definition used in AmericoEurope.)
How different is this from walking across your neighbor's lawn to take a shortcut, or letting your dog piss on a neighbor's lawn?
Yah, I agree.. I've been noticing many/.'ers seem to have little-to-no idea what "genetic algorithm" means, and don't understand the first thing about genetic optimization techniques. Oh well. I appreciate the article, anyway:)
Ah shit.. didn't notice the akamai:) Thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah, I guess that was completely and absolutely unnecessary and needless redudancy and repetition. I sure am surely a moronic stupid idiotic dumbass sometimes and occasionally!
What makes you think they would pick a good operating system on purpose? Rather, they could put up many different systems known to be hackable, write worms or scripts designed to hack into these machines, and try to create technologies to capture/contain and lessen/slow infections and security breaches.
I don't think the point is to re-create OpenBSD. The goal is probably more of a cross between network monitoring, intrusion detecion systems, and automatic network reconfiguration.
The Internet can already route around problems because of redundancy. Sophisiticated routers can control and shape traffic. But, as of yet, there's no widespread technology to protect entire networks from security problems. We will never create perfect systems... so we must create countermeasures so that when our systems fail, they fail in the smallest and least dangerous ways possible. It's like fault isolation.
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For anybody who doesn't catch the reference, it's from Suicidal Tendencies's song Institutionalized.
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That's very true. There are ways to make the port knock less predictable, in a way much similar to SMART cards, or put it through an encrypted tunnel, or such (like most slashdotters, I speak all my opinions *before* even bothering with the article, so I don't know what was actually mentioned).
:)
But, I just want anybody who thinks "Oh, OK, this is a simple way to get infinite security!" to be uh... less disillusioned?
Yeah, but you don't send out public packets when opening a combination lock.
/. article..."
Plus, thing about it this way:
* someone notices an SSH connection
* someone portscans, notices port 22 is closed
* someone thinks, "hm, there was that
* someone waits around for you to re-connect, and watches what closed ports you connect to
See? that easy.
GPS is the best way to go. Failing that, I used a system a bit like the following:
Every ~25 seconds, laptop records WiFi signal strengths and network names and such to record #N, and emits a pair of tones corresponding to the last digit of N (I used musical intervals and the first tone was always the same; for the zero digit, the second note of the pair was null---in other words, a single tone). I carried a clipboard, which I would number as I went along, and fill in my approximate location. I could make sure I kept sync between laptop and clipboard based on the tones. I also had the laptop emit, 1.5 seconds later, another pair of tones, an octave up from before, with a similar system, telling me how many network APs were nearby; then I could know if I was in a "hot" zone or a "dead" zone and continue my explorations in light of that information
Yes, I used headphones. Yes, people looked at me funny... but oh well.
I wrote a bunch of Scheme code for The GIMP that plotted all the records on a multilayered campus map (I would have to figure out my coordinates from my clipboard notes by hand, later, but it wasn't hard, and once I got into the swing of it, it went very quickly), then plotted what kind of speed was available at each access point, and tried to estimate the position of any given AP node based on where it could be detected from.
In retrospect, two things I would have done differently:
* used GPS. would have saved a LOT of work. but I'm poor, and I don't yet have a receiver...
* used the signal strength to weight the AP-locating algorithm, so it would be more accurate
* made an additional layer, showing the signal strength using color shading or something
Yeah, because, of course, *nobody* understands sarcasm. I mean, nobody gets it all! It's not like it even gets used much around here, anyway.
Actually, the minute I started listening to more NOFX than Weird Al and wearing more denim than sweatpants and khakis, I grew another inch or so.
I'm not kidding!
Was I the only one who accidentally read, "Sun opens Cobol Code," and thought, "Egads, some things just need to stay closed-source" ?
does this explain all the digital cameras i keep seeing on ebay with scratched-up and broken cases and duct tape residue?
just a thought.
Actually, the proper technique is called "packet fragmentation." Before departure, the pigeon drops the large packet high over rocks and it fragments everywhere. Multiple pigeons can then each grab fragments well within the Maximum Carrying Unit, and the destination party gets the job of reassembling the packet. Unfortunately, the fragments may be more difficult for the pigeons to carry, and they are more likely to get dropped, especially out there in where the routes the pigeons take might be loaded with unexpected hinderances...
Okay, okay, so I shouldn't quit my day job, I know...
The way this has been done for years is to plug a thermistor straight into the joystick port. The PC uses a one-shot astable multivibrator (did I get that right? I always screw up the terminology) which oscillates with a frequency inversely proportional to a resistance, and the period is measured (in software) to determine the resistance. You can then use a lookup table or interpolation curve to get the temperature. Have a process that asks for real time priority (so it doesn't accidentally miscount/mismeasure the hardware data), stick it in crond, and there you go.
I don't know of a USB solution, but what about a USB game port (do such things exist)? Surely they wouldn't be very expensive.
:) Geeks rule! Especially geeks who know latin.
I forgot the 500-word vocabulary I had, except for like 5 words... oh well.
"Pulchritude" ?
God, what a HORRID-sounding word to use to mean "attractive"!!!
Our dorm has something like six pairs of recepticles, and we have 11-outlet strips plugged into each and every one to power my many boxen. We're not allowed to use extension cords or piggyback surges strips, so we have to be careful and plan very well...
I also haven't turned on all the machines at once, because I'm fairly sure it would kill the circuit. I used to have half of these machines spread in my basement, and the load they would generate if they all switched on simultaneously, as the drives and fans were spinning up, was enormous; it would trip the breaker every time.
It's people like the skeptic who wrote the article who take all the fun out of science. *sigh* Back to solving differential equations...
Wait! Wait! I see the face of God in this equation... can you find it?
42dx + dy = x - y
Just look for the product of the alpha and the omega...
I RTFAd and it said something about Matrix: The Powerade Drink, Matrix: The MTV Special, ... Matrix: The Lunchbox, and Matrix: The Flamethrower!! ;)
(OK, Wachowskis, don't you have enough green yet?)
I think the implied problem was the connectivity that was provided by ISPs and backbone segments running off the affected sections of the power grid.
If the Internet were more redundant and ad-hoc (less backbone-centric), it would recover from problems better. That's how it was originally envisioned; unfortunately, the commercialization of NSFNet has largely destroyed this approach, for better or worse.
We have a more organized network, but it's very dependent on critical points because of it's multiplexing organization strategy, so when that fails...
Yes... tempest-ng :) Plus you can snoop modem links by monitoring LEDs, etc etc. But, LCDs are not prone to that, and people are moving increasingly toward LCDs.
:)
I realize now that there are a few glaring problems in my post. But I'm too lazy to fix them
I would say that Internet connections are somewhat different from phone connections. If you're using your neighbor's line, you have exclusive access to it until you're done; however, Internet connections can be *easily* shared. Additionally, most people with Wi-Fi have broadband, and have significant amounts of bandwidth 24/7 that often go unused, and you are not billed online based on which addresses you visit, whereas phones what with 900 numbers and long distance are billed much differently. Phone numbers can also be instantly attached to a person's name, enabling you to steal their identity, but IP addresses are much harder to track down, are often shared, change often, and so Internet sites generally aren't going to attach anything useful to your IP address.
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I might add that I think it's more serious to snoop on someone's private communication on a WLAN than to snoop on a phone call; until recently, you could often hear your neighbor's phone conversations faintly in your receiver <b>anyway</b> if you had copper circuits, so people often assumed that phones weren't too private. (Plus, unless you're home alone with the windows shut, your phone call isn't private, because sound carries... light, from a computer monitor, is easily blocked and privatized.)
But what it comes down to is---if you're using someone else's resources without their knowledge, but not denying their service, not potentially framing them for something, not stealing their identity, and not causing them any burden, financial or otherwise, have you done anything ethically wrong? "Property" is not a universal concept (consider many Native American and African tribes, for example), so it can't be universally ethically wrong to borrow "property" without causing harm. (I am using property in the broad sense of ownership, not the specific materialistic definition used in AmericoEurope.)
How different is this from walking across your neighbor's lawn to take a shortcut, or letting your dog piss on a neighbor's lawn?
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Yah, I agree.. I've been noticing many /.'ers seem to have little-to-no idea what "genetic algorithm" means, and don't understand the first thing about genetic optimization techniques. Oh well. I appreciate the article, anyway :)
Restaurants are a luxury, not a utility. Cities traditionally provide utilities (or help to provide utilities) for their residents.
It might say: "Termites Not Included."
Ah shit.. didn't notice the akamai :) Thanks for pointing that out.
Yeah, I guess that was completely and absolutely unnecessary and needless redudancy and repetition. I sure am surely a moronic stupid idiotic dumbass sometimes and occasionally!
Eh, you know. Slashdotting isn't as bad when there are mirrors.
What makes you think they would pick a good operating system on purpose? Rather, they could put up many different systems known to be hackable, write worms or scripts designed to hack into these machines, and try to create technologies to capture/contain and lessen/slow infections and security breaches.
I don't think the point is to re-create OpenBSD. The goal is probably more of a cross between network monitoring, intrusion detecion systems, and automatic network reconfiguration.
The Internet can already route around problems because of redundancy. Sophisiticated routers can control and shape traffic. But, as of yet, there's no widespread technology to protect entire networks from security problems. We will never create perfect systems... so we must create countermeasures so that when our systems fail, they fail in the smallest and least dangerous ways possible. It's like fault isolation.