This page shows the game as being $29.95. When you click through though it only allows you to purchase the package. My guess is it will be up standalone around the release date.
Perhaps you were not aware but Valve originally planned to offer a "Black Box" with the same content, mines the two older titles, for $10 less. This offering was canceled because retailers didn't like the idea which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
But digital distribution is supposed to be the answer to this conundrum. Valve wanted to save their loyal customers a few bucks but apparently ditched the whole idea because they couldn't have parity between their retail and online offerings. I'll probably buy the Orange Box anyway because I have been a sucker for TF everything for almost a decade and want in this beta, but it still shows a side to Valve I don't particularly endorse.
I'd support the game if it was possible to run on my 2 year old video card. But seeing as id, Epic, Valve and Blizzard care more about building a beautiful game that also scales well and runs on hardware that isn't bleeding edge, I think I'll continue to support them instead.
As seems usual many Slashdotters seem to be overreaching, equating their fantasy lives with what's happening in the marketplace, and what most users are experiencing.
...I can't imagine Joe Sixpack is tearing his hair out over ubiquitious tools like say, Office. I understand ranting against those who like to bemoan Vista as the source of all OS evil, but you must have certainly realized you make the same type of argument in the midst of it.
or is this another episode in your great quest against m$? Read up on his journal and comments. It's pretty entertaining for such a one-dimensional troll.
If I can't run Vista on a $3,000 computer, what will it run on? Don't you think that kind of doubt is bad for the gaming market? If I'm going to buy a non free gaming system right now, it's going to be a $600 PS3. You missed the point entirely. Gamers generally only upgrade OS when they put together an entirely new box. Most top-of-the-line hardware owners I know or speak to generally only build a wholly new box once ever couple years, merely upgrading choice components in between.
As for the PS3 comment, what does that have to do with anything discussed here?
Does anyone know how to remove it? I just checked and even though I could never run the game because my video card doesn't support shader model 3.0, I still have all this junk and it won't delete. Is my best bet to run a Ubuntu live cd and mount the drive and delete under linux?
This is a type of troll review that you see a lot on sites like YTMND. You give a 5-star rating while sarcastically feigning praise in order to mock the submitter. It's subtle but much more effective than a 1-star "u r dum" troll as it also serves to debase the work's real supporters. It's a similar form of sarcasm as used by Stephen Colbert, if you've ever seen his work.
The engine the game is built from has the capability to scale to 9.0b built in. 2k simply decided not to implement it. My X800XL still runs all latest id engine games as well as Source games just fine. But as you put it, hope the cute water effects were worth my $50.
As an addendum to this, I highly recommend finding a copy of System Shock 2 and play it instead. There are plenty of community made patches that update various portions of the game that haven't aged well, if things like graphics bother you.
Alright here's the deal. I tried running the demo last night only to find it wouldn't draw a mouse cursor. This morning I dig around and realize that the game will only run in Shader Model 3.0 mode. If you have an ATI X800 series or older, or Geforce 5 series or older card you will never, ever get to play this game.
This really irks me because it smacks of a smug (lazy?) developer who cares little of someone with even a 2 year old graphics card. It stings even more because the game runs on Unreal Engine 3 code fully supports graceful step-down to shader model 2.0 effects. Even Valve's source engine can pull some amazing effects on older cards by nature of hardware detection. Unfortunately 2k seems to be backed up by a posse of zealous 14 year olds who outright ostracize anyone without a 6 month old $400 graphics card if they don't ridcule you for not having an Xbox first.
Well, it never really used their core ruleset to begin with. I've only played in a couple of the trial weekends they have offered, but they made so many concessions of their own ruleset (which works very well in games like NWN) that it never really felt like D&D. Even the level system which has been the basis for D&D characters since I started playing 10 years ago was changed up into partial levels and major levels.
I used to say this. I installed AdBlock Plus to try to cut down on the size of pages I was viewing at work. Now I have it on every install of Firefox I own. The difference is subtle but very welcome.
I was working for an outdoor supplies store after my freshman year of college in 2002. I worked in the marine accessories department where we sold boat radios and stereos. One day this guy came in with his kid who was maybe in the 6-8year old range and was checking out the lower end stereos that mostly came with cassette decks. His kid asks "what is that hole for" to which the father responded "that is for cassette tapes". To which the kid responds "what's a tape"? I had never thought about it before, but I guess by 2002 cassettes were pretty dead. Still it seemed weird when I remembered buying and trading tapes with my friends for years on my first jambox. I wonder how long it will be before a kid asks you "what's a CD?"
I rent and don't have access to the wireless router or cable modem. I have thought about running a bridge, but all the reliable ones seem to be very overpriced. And still, that doesn't excuse the lack of what I would consider to be an essential part of the Xbox platform: easy internet connectivity.
I'll admit there are a few upcoming 360 games that entice me and at $350 the premium system seems like it's in my range. But the lack of an integrated wifi adapter really still kills it for me. At $100 (!!!) to get the console online, it seems especially ridiculous in light of the offerings of its competitors.
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Maybe he needs to rename his porn stash to something other than "importantevidence001289.JPG".
On the contrary, some random PC won't be running OS X. I think there is plenty to infer.
Still the only RPG I've played where I spent 5 hours creating the character and 5 minutes getting him killed.
This page shows the game as being $29.95. When you click through though it only allows you to purchase the package. My guess is it will be up standalone around the release date.
Perhaps you were not aware but Valve originally planned to offer a "Black Box" with the same content, mines the two older titles, for $10 less. This offering was canceled because retailers didn't like the idea which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
But digital distribution is supposed to be the answer to this conundrum. Valve wanted to save their loyal customers a few bucks but apparently ditched the whole idea because they couldn't have parity between their retail and online offerings. I'll probably buy the Orange Box anyway because I have been a sucker for TF everything for almost a decade and want in this beta, but it still shows a side to Valve I don't particularly endorse.
Reread my comments, I point to those developers as ones who make efforts to support a wide range of hardware.
I'd support the game if it was possible to run on my 2 year old video card. But seeing as id, Epic, Valve and Blizzard care more about building a beautiful game that also scales well and runs on hardware that isn't bleeding edge, I think I'll continue to support them instead.
...I can't imagine Joe Sixpack is tearing his hair out over ubiquitious tools like say, Office. I understand ranting against those who like to bemoan Vista as the source of all OS evil, but you must have certainly realized you make the same type of argument in the midst of it.Play it on a Mac. There should be nothing stopping them from using D10-level effects in OGL.
As for the PS3 comment, what does that have to do with anything discussed here?
Does anyone know how to remove it? I just checked and even though I could never run the game because my video card doesn't support shader model 3.0, I still have all this junk and it won't delete. Is my best bet to run a Ubuntu live cd and mount the drive and delete under linux?
This is a type of troll review that you see a lot on sites like YTMND. You give a 5-star rating while sarcastically feigning praise in order to mock the submitter. It's subtle but much more effective than a 1-star "u r dum" troll as it also serves to debase the work's real supporters. It's a similar form of sarcasm as used by Stephen Colbert, if you've ever seen his work.
The engine the game is built from has the capability to scale to 9.0b built in. 2k simply decided not to implement it. My X800XL still runs all latest id engine games as well as Source games just fine. But as you put it, hope the cute water effects were worth my $50.
As an addendum to this, I highly recommend finding a copy of System Shock 2 and play it instead. There are plenty of community made patches that update various portions of the game that haven't aged well, if things like graphics bother you.
Alright here's the deal. I tried running the demo last night only to find it wouldn't draw a mouse cursor. This morning I dig around and realize that the game will only run in Shader Model 3.0 mode. If you have an ATI X800 series or older, or Geforce 5 series or older card you will never, ever get to play this game.
This really irks me because it smacks of a smug (lazy?) developer who cares little of someone with even a 2 year old graphics card. It stings even more because the game runs on Unreal Engine 3 code fully supports graceful step-down to shader model 2.0 effects. Even Valve's source engine can pull some amazing effects on older cards by nature of hardware detection. Unfortunately 2k seems to be backed up by a posse of zealous 14 year olds who outright ostracize anyone without a 6 month old $400 graphics card if they don't ridcule you for not having an Xbox first.
Well, it never really used their core ruleset to begin with. I've only played in a couple of the trial weekends they have offered, but they made so many concessions of their own ruleset (which works very well in games like NWN) that it never really felt like D&D. Even the level system which has been the basis for D&D characters since I started playing 10 years ago was changed up into partial levels and major levels.
Wow. That game sounds really fun. I haven't been in a PnP game for almost 5 years now, but something like that would get me back into it.
I used to say this. I installed AdBlock Plus to try to cut down on the size of pages I was viewing at work. Now I have it on every install of Firefox I own. The difference is subtle but very welcome.
I was working for an outdoor supplies store after my freshman year of college in 2002. I worked in the marine accessories department where we sold boat radios and stereos. One day this guy came in with his kid who was maybe in the 6-8year old range and was checking out the lower end stereos that mostly came with cassette decks. His kid asks "what is that hole for" to which the father responded "that is for cassette tapes". To which the kid responds "what's a tape"? I had never thought about it before, but I guess by 2002 cassettes were pretty dead. Still it seemed weird when I remembered buying and trading tapes with my friends for years on my first jambox. I wonder how long it will be before a kid asks you "what's a CD?"
Or, how many LoC's could it store?
I rent and don't have access to the wireless router or cable modem. I have thought about running a bridge, but all the reliable ones seem to be very overpriced. And still, that doesn't excuse the lack of what I would consider to be an essential part of the Xbox platform: easy internet connectivity.
I'll admit there are a few upcoming 360 games that entice me and at $350 the premium system seems like it's in my range. But the lack of an integrated wifi adapter really still kills it for me. At $100 (!!!) to get the console online, it seems especially ridiculous in light of the offerings of its competitors.