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NBC to Offer Free Video Download Service

Damocles the Elder writes "Apparently NBC realized that people on the internet do watch TV, because after breaking up with Apple over iTunes pricing schemes, they're setting up their own free service." From the article "NBC first contracted with Amazon to offer its programs for sale to downloading devices like MP3 players. Now it is establishing its own downloading service, which NBC executives say they expect to become a viable competitor to iTunes. "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment," said Vivi Zigler, the executive vice president of NBC Digital Entertainment. "Not only does this feature give them more control, but it also gives them a higher quality video experience."

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  1. Wait for comcast! by gravos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cue Comcast and other ISPs complaining that NBC is taking advantage of the bandwidth they provide and should be forced to pay in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

    1. Re:Wait for comcast! by faloi · · Score: 1

      I don't think they'll care. Most Comcast broadband subscribers are also paying for the cable service. This isn't much different than the " on demand" service that some cable providers already offer.

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    2. Re:Wait for comcast! by gravos · · Score: 1

      I don't think they'll care. Most Comcast broadband subscribers are also paying for the cable service. This isn't much different than the " on demand" service that some cable providers already offer.

      You may be right, but consider this: ISP's complain iPlayer uses too much bandwith. I expect this to be a growing point of contention between media companies and ISPs as more and more video content moves online.

    3. Re:Wait for comcast! by fymidos · · Score: 1

      ISPs should be happy that more content is made available on the internet. More people online, more money and power to them...

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    4. Re:Wait for comcast! by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm currently on what I call "low-speed high-speed". It's the 1 Mbit down, 125 Kbit up service that my ISP offers. If there was a good legal place to download tv shows for free, then I would probably get the 6 Mbit service that they offer. As it stands right now, I only browse the web, download music from eMusic, and download a Linux DVD ISO once or twice a year. If there was more content available on the web, I would probably sign up for the fastest package they had. But as for now, most of the stuff I do, even videos like Apple Movie Trailers play just fine over my 1 Mbit connection. You would think that bringing richer content to the web would make the ISPs happier, as there's more people paying for higher service levels. However, I'm not sure if it really helps them, as they have pretty much built their business model on selling 6 Mbit connections to people who do nothing more than browse the web and check their email.

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    5. Re:Wait for comcast! by saider · · Score: 1

      "Should be" is the operative phrase. The fact is that ISPs see other people making money off of their network, and of course those people should pay.

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    6. Re:Wait for comcast! by steveo777 · · Score: 1

      Wrong... The more people online, the more likely they'll be forced to upgrade their equipment to handle the load. Okay, I'm being cynical, but I've had a LOT of bad experiences with every cable provider. Either municipal monopoly abuse (Comcast), or the bottom-of-the-barrel, shittiest customer service on the face of the planet (Qwest) for lower price. It's a lose-lose for everybody!!

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    7. Re:Wait for comcast! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      They DO pay. Those evil profiteering companies are paying a pretty penny for their bandwidth. So are their customers.

      The ISPs get you coming and going and they still want more.

      It's like the RIAA, bankruptcy reform and subprime mortgages. As soon as companies think they have you where they want you, they will try to take you for all they think you for. If they think you can't escape (abusive contract, natural monopoly) then they will try to stick it to you even harder.

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    8. Re:Wait for comcast! by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      Because Comcast doesn't have a vested interested in keeping one of their main content providers on the cable side of things happy. Riiiighhht.....

    9. Re:Wait for comcast! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Those people would have been online already, just not using as much bandwidth. ISPs greatly prefer that customers pay for the service but not use it.

  2. Nice to see... by Goose+In+Orbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that MP3 players can now play videos

    1. Re:Nice to see... by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      They have always done so.
      As long as your video is a red screen continuously blinking, playing it will display it on the LED.

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  3. Yeah, whatever... by technothrasher · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment,"

    ...

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them.


    1. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is my problem with what they're saying.

      Also, they're putting it through a "testing period," likely meaning that if their terrible idea of forcing us to watch downloaded videos like TV shows doesn't earn them the profit they expect, they may conclude that people don't want to buy video downloads from them at all and scrap the project.

      As it stands, unless they put the commercials at the beginning and then give me a video that I can fast-forward, rewind, and pause, I'm never going to use this service. And even if they do simply put the commercials at the beginning, I'll leave my computer to make a cup of tea or something while the commercials play.

      Honestly, this is nonsense. Quit trying to apply TV business models to online video downloads.

    2. Re:Yeah, whatever... by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Commercials will be embedded, just like on television. Either tape it off your television or wait for the commercial to finish. Or wait for it to be released on DVD and buy it. Yeeesh, some of you people just don't want your content producers to make money, do you?

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    3. Re:Yeah, whatever... by technothrasher · · Score: 1

      Yeeesh, some of you people just don't want your content producers to make money, do you?

      I don't really care if they make money or not. I don't watch anything NBC has to offer anyway. My point was solely that they shouldn't claim to be acknowledging that the viewers should watch the way the want to watch, and then put restrictions on how those viewers can watch. It's hypocritical.

    4. Re:Yeah, whatever... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      I don't mind the producers making money, but they won't make any from me unless they sell me the product I want. For downloaded video, it has to be more convenient than renting the DVD. This means:
      • Quick access. What I want, when I want it.
      • No adverts. Adverts are the reason I stopped watching broadcast television.
      • No DRM. Part of the convenience means allowing it to be played on portable devices. Unless your DRM supports Mac, iPod and Nokia devices, (and will support all future devices I might buy) it makes the content less valuable to me.
      • No region restrictions.
      I would love to pay a (reasonable) flat rate, in advance, for seasons of TV shows I want to watch, and have them automatically downloaded every week, but this seems not to be something the studios want to sell me. Until then, I'll stick to renting DVDs, typically some years after the shows have been created.
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    5. Re:Yeah, whatever... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Grab the video stream, edit out the commercial and voila! No need to buy a DVD, no need to tape it off television, no need to keep the commercial on your final video.

    6. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Seumas · · Score: 1

      First, what content does NBC have that's worth watching, other than Heroes?

      Second, I'll stick to Bit Torrent. Thanks.

    7. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Kintar1900 · · Score: 1

      I would love to pay a (reasonable) flat rate, in advance, for seasons of TV shows I want to watch, and have them automatically downloaded every week, but this seems not to be something the studios want to sell me. Until then, I'll stick to renting DVDs, typically some years after the shows have been created.

      Amen to that. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out why the broadcast companies think they'll make more money by continuing to sell commercial time than by simply selling the shows directly to the viewers. Let's see, I can either spend time downloading their videos for free (I assume free anyway, TFA didn't make it clear or I missed it) but swamped in commercials from their site, thus costing them bandwidth charges to boot, or I can go to Borders and buy the full season of Heroes on DVD for a price that works out to $2.09 per episode. Hmmm....lemme think about that. Is a commercial-free show worth $2? =P

    8. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Ajehals · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was going to say "how long till they put adverts (other than trailers) on to DVD's (there is nothing stopping them after all..) then I realised that children's DVD's are already littered with them (I put a postman pat DVD on for my son a while back, the feature is maybe 60 / 90 Minutes (3x 20 or 30 minute episodes) and there is at least 25 minutes of advertising material at the beginning, some of it totally inappropriate for really young kids (in terms of cartoon violence but still, its a Postman Pat DVD I wouldn't expect *any* violence* cartoon or otherwise) not to mention its is really annoying to have 2x 3 minute adverts for the same thing 5 minutes apart on a single DVD. Thankfully I can skip all of that, but I would hat to be someone who has a regular DVD player that honours whatever non-skip protection is on those Disks.

      *Except in "Pat and the Armed Post Office Robbery" where Pat foils a terrorist plot to rob the Post Office and use the proceeds to blow up the viaduct, or in "Pat goes Postal" which should be self explanatory... :)

    9. Re:Yeah, whatever... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Yes, because I WANT to wait seven days after a show airs. So why can NBC post a show the ONE day after it airs on iTunes, but with their new model, that they control, you'd have to wait a week? Burn in hell...

    10. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      I agree with 3 of those... The adverts... I don't care so much. I understand they need to make money somehow, and as long as it's DRM-free I'll be able to fast-forward past the ones that drive me nuts.

      As for 'quick access'... I typically download an episode (not from NBC yet, obviously) faster than I'd be able to drive to Blockbuster and back, even if you don't count the time it takes in the store. I don't see that they'll have a problem with 'quick access'.

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    11. Re:Yeah, whatever... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      but with their new model, that they control, you'd have to wait a week?

      Not after a week, for a week.
      FTA:
      The programs, ... will be offered for a week immediately after their initial broadcasts.

    12. Re:Yeah, whatever... by sYkSh0n3 · · Score: 1

      What's so bad about commercials? I actually enjoy commercial breaks. Gives me a chance to go to the bathroom, listen to whatever the wifey was trying to tell me when the show was on, grab a beer from the fridge, whatever. That's actually what I don't like about the dvd version. If it's really good (and it usually is because why would i watch something that wasn't?) I have trouble bringing myself to stop it. But I only have a handful of shows I actually want to watch, I'm not gonna watch the commercials even if they are there, so it doesn't really matter to me either way.

      Tho "withbeerandhookers" may be my favorite tag ever used on /..

    13. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      Please propose an alternative that is still economically viable ...I don't like tv ads. I despise having to watch my shows when they are on. I absolutely hate getting mail from the state prosecutor because I've been illegally downloading hereos. For me, the solution provided by NBC seems to be the most optimal in terms of what can be expected.

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    14. Re:Yeah, whatever... by KingSkippus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Grab the video stream,

      I.e. "Install software on your computer to do something you shouldn't need to."

      edit out the commercial

      I.e. "Install more software on your computer to do something you shouldn't need to, and spend at least as long as the show is futzing around with editing it."

      Frankly, I'd rather just not watch the show than to go through all of this trouble. Other people will probably be downloading it illegally to avoid the trouble and still watch the show. I like my solution better, though, because 1) I get to do other more interesting things, and 2) I don't help perpetuate the popularity of shows that are made by companies that want to control when, where, and how I watch stuff that I'm willing to pay for.

    15. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually he was refering to the fact that this model is not scheduled. By far the larger restriction of television is the fact that you can only watch it when it's on (or after, assuming you've prgrammed your vcr). So I'd say this model still grants a large amount of freedom (in comparision.).

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    16. Re:Yeah, whatever... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Oh, my bad. Even worse though! I haven't seen the last have of Season 3 of the Office. I'm sure it's been more than a week. So I will be out of luck then, eh? This is lamer than an iPod being lamer than a Nomad.

    17. Re:Yeah, whatever... by technothrasher · · Score: 1

      Actually he was refering to the fact that this model is not scheduled

      If he'd not included the "how" I'd agree with you. But he says, "control of how, when and where".

    18. Re:Yeah, whatever... by garbletext · · Score: 1

      Maybe you just like to complain. It seems like any restrictions at all are unacceptable to you. The way I see it, free with ads for a week is better than paying apple for drm. If you want unfettered access to the file forever, you can always bittorrent it.

    19. Re:Yeah, whatever... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Even video with adverts and no DRM would be acceptable. The product needs to be equal or better than what you can get "for free" over the air. The download should be no less onerous or lame than the video file you could extract from Tivo or MythTV.

      Adverts without DRM would snare the clueless. They would watch the adverts and prop up the old school television model while the rest of us would be free to fast forward through them or strip them.

      The media moguls have to realize that most people aren't tech saavy. They will use the "default" viewing mechanism even if you make it trivially easy to do something else.

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    20. Re:Yeah, whatever... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Maybe you just like to complain.

      I'm complaining? No. I was just pointing out the error in the previous posters comment.

    21. Re:Yeah, whatever... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      This is one of the reasons that media server tech is so cool.

      Rip the DVDS. Get rid of all the extra crap. Go straight to the movie as soon as you select that movie and "hit play".

      Kids movies are the worst.

      I used to rip entire disk images and move slowly over time to just ripping the main feature because of all the crap in kids movies.

      It's also nice to have a single interface rather than n+1 cutesy little graphical menus with their own quirks.

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    22. Re:Yeah, whatever... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      What, you didn't love "Joey"?

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    23. Re:Yeah, whatever... by jdray · · Score: 2

      Let's see... "viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment," yet they keep you from skipping commercials (which I presume means you can't fast-forward at all, though that may be a reach) or watching them all in a bundle. Someone tagged this as "windowsonly." If true, that leaves out watching it on a Mac, Linux box, iPod, Archos media player, etc. If the window of availability is from the time of broadcast to fourteen days out (available for seven, expires after seven), that certainly keeps me from being away from home for a couple of weeks on vacation and wanting to catch up on past episodes of my favorite show. As for where, well, it will be interesting to see what path is available to stream these videos to the television in my living room.

      If they start charging for shows next year and leave out the commercials (in theory, I've paid for it, I shouldn't need to do so again with my time), and I can keep them until I'm done with them, then I'll consider downloading them. iTunes price of $1.99 per show is more than I want to pay, though, so they (NBC) should consider setting the price level somewhere under $1 if they want my business.

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    24. Re:Yeah, whatever... by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      It is not as much comericals are the problems but the number of them. When I was a kid a 90 minute movie was fitted in a 2 hour time frame. Now it is fits in a 3 hour time frame. What does that mean 3 times more comericals. and over half of the time in the show you are watching comericals. Even with a DVR or TIVO it gets annoying. This strick back against comericals saying your online stuff stinks because it has comericals will force them threw supply and demmand to reduce the number of comericals and raise the price for the people give the adds. Today we have TV adds on everything. Before when I was a kid it was from Large Companies the smallest was the once in a while off primetime Car Dealership Add. Because TV Adds were very expensive. But today they are cheaper and more poorly done. They do things like change the volume so when the adds are on the TV is very loud while the show is played it is very quite forcing you to adjust the volume every minute. It is to much and it is annoying. Right now we have a smaller portion of people getting Online Shows so it is easier to get enough people to say this sucks and go get ABC shows from iTunes where at least it runs on a Mac too and has no adds.

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    25. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Ajehals · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not to mention DVD's plus young kids don't mix. I tend to rip and transcode the originals, store them and then make them available via NFS to whatever box the kids want to watch them on, the amount I spend on storage (which is minimal anyway with 200Gb Sata Drives at @£25.) is immediately recouped by the fact that the disks are not destroyed within three months. Although I guess that causes issues for some people's business models (By reducing repeat sales) and probably means I'll see more adverts..

    26. Re:Yeah, whatever... by sYkSh0n3 · · Score: 1

      I have noticed the increase in ads. And I noticed it more back when i would watch movies on a sunday morning. Seems like the prime time stuff isn't *as* bad about filling in with too many commercials. And checking the time on dvd and avi copies of tv shows that i have access too looks like they average about 7-8 min of commericals for 30 min and 15-16 min of commercials for 60 min shows in prime time. The running time on Japanese shows seems to be slightly longer, they appear to average 5-6 min of commercials for a 30 minute show. I'll admit it is getting out of control and I should probably get pissed off about it. But the time seems to be running about 75% content, 25% commercials. That is something I can deal with, but that's about the limit. They get any longer, and i'll probably give up TV altogether. I don't watch that much to begin with, so dropping it, probably wouldn't be too hard for me.

      What really pisses me off is the little animated banners at the bottom of the screen, even more so when they make noise. How far away are we from watching shows like in Idiocracy, where we have a huge screen, but 8 inches all the way around is dedicated to advertisements. That movie should be placed in the horror section, I know it scared the piss out of me.

    27. Re:Yeah, whatever... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      For me, the solution provided by NBC seems to be the most optimal in terms of what can be expected. As opposed to paying a moderate fee for a high-quality, ad-free copy of each episode?
    28. Re:Yeah, whatever... by mmeister · · Score: 1

      At least you can skip the movies. I've got some DVDs that mark their trailers as "can't skip". That "feature" is meant to be used for the FBI warning, but studios use it now to place ads.

      And ain't it grand that 2-3 years later, I'm STILL forced to see trailers from lame movies that came and went at the box office because I can't fast forward past it.

    29. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Bud+Dickman · · Score: 1

      "I don't help perpetuate the popularity of shows that are made by companies that want to control when, where, and how I watch stuff that I'm willing to pay for."
      Let's look at Heroes, a program that NBC releases. They offer the program over the air across the country with advertising. They allow people to view it over the internet with advertising. They offer it on DVDs without advertising. My point is that I don't think your dislike of NBC is well-placed. They're offering their content in a variety of ways to try to maximize the number of people that will accept a given distribution channel. Not everyone is willing to pay for television programs. This is an attempt to get those people to watch and make money from them through advertising. Why does this bother you?
    30. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      I neglected to say that most of all I hate having to spend money ... Even at one dollar for an episode this would quickly run in the hundreds for long running shows such as 24 . Nevermind the fact that ITunes Germany still won't even sell me US shows (or any show really). If someone offered a reasonable flat rate (say $50) for all the content I like to see I'd say that's the non plus ultra. However, I don't believe this is a realistic expectation.

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    31. Re:Yeah, whatever... by SiChemist · · Score: 1

      The Office! Possibly the funniest half-hour on US television.

    32. Re:Yeah, whatever... by speaker+of+the+truth · · Score: 1

      Yes, how being either on television or on your computer. Where being either on your home computer, at a friend's place, or somewhere else.

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    33. Re:Yeah, whatever... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The product needs to be equal or better than what you can get "for free" over the air. A few years ago, I'd have agreed with you. About five or six years ago, my father stopped owning a TV, and I thought this was really odd. At the end of the month, our TV license expires and we're not planning on renewing it, and quite a few of my friends have also ditched the TV. It's still by no means a majority who have no TV, but it's no longer regarded as particularly unusual.

      Broadcast TV has a lot more competitors now than it used to. The internet is a good source of entertainment, as are rented DVDs (through the post, no hassle, no adverts). Computer games, including consoles, are starting to become a lot more mainstream too, and TV viewership figures have been dropping a corresponding amount for some years. A big reason there are more adverts in TV shows these days is that the income per viewer has remained roughly constant, but the number of viewers has dropped. This increase in adverts then drives more people away, perpetuating the spiral. It's not enough for a new service to be as good as TV, because TV is already starting to lose out. It has to be better.

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    34. Re:Yeah, whatever... by bakura121 · · Score: 1

      I like to subscribe to TV shows via iTunes and watch them on my TV using Apple TV. How will I be able to do this with the NBC service? Oh yeah... I won't!

    35. Re:Yeah, whatever... by ArAgost · · Score: 1

      If someone offered a reasonable flat rate (say $50) for all the content I like to see I'd say A set of dvds for an entire season perhaps?
    36. Re:Yeah, whatever... by SmittyTheBold · · Score: 1

      "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment," ...

      Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them.

      That's not really the important part; ads are a necessary evil of broadcast media. Gots to pay the bills somehow, after all.

      What really stuck out to me about "...viewers want to be in control of how, when and where..." was that very few consumers want to watch video sitting at their desk, within a week of original airing. I want to watch the shows on my couch, on my TV, in my underwear. Or on the subway, on my iPod. Or even on my Mac. NBC isn't addressing these desires at all.
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    37. Re:Yeah, whatever... by SmoothTom · · Score: 1

      "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment,"

      Embeded, non-skipable commercials, expires in one week, and available only to MS Windows machines? Right.

      I actually did drop a short email to several of NBC's addresses...

      Now that NBC has pulled it's shows from the iTunes store, they are no longer available in a format usable by both MS Windows and Apple OS X users.

      Are there any plans to make NBC media once again available to the growing number of folks who do NOT pay Microsoft for the privilege of using their computers?

      If not, PLEASE boldly state up front on your web pages that you will provide your media only to those who use Microsoft operating systems, and simply don't care about providing anyone else access.

      Purposely moving your media to a proprietary format that restricts its availability to a smaller 'universe' of users, and totally cuts off many existing customers, seems a very poor choice.

      (And if that is, indeed, your position, I sincerely hope that part of your enterprise fails grandly, and with great fanfare.)

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    38. Re:Yeah, whatever... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      Even at one dollar for an episode this would quickly run in the hundreds for long running shows such as 24


      Actually, there are only 24 episodes per season of 24... (yeah, imagine that!) At one dollar per episode, that would be $24 per season.

      Depending on how much television you watch, buying from iTunes at $1.99 per episode can be cheaper than a cable tv subscription, and iTunes provides replay and on-demand value. Yes, it sucks that there is DRM and that maybe you can't "keep it forever", but on the other hand, its still better than Cable+VHS.
    39. Re:Yeah, whatever... by n-baxley · · Score: 1

      Thankfully I can skip all of that, but I would hat to be someone who has a regular DVD player that honours whatever non-skip protection is on those Disks.

      Not to sound stupid, but how do you get a player that can do that? Or do you just play it on your PC?

    40. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Ajehals · · Score: 1

      see this

      Although I have seen region free DVD players from Sanyo[?] (I think) which don't honour it, I set one up for a relative and was surprised to find that it would play VCD's of all types, DIVx and other video files on CDR/DVDR's and all manner of audio files. I was surprised because there was no mention of this capability on the box, and, well you tend not to expect nice features on those kind of products.

    41. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      One Season? That's like only like 24, 25 Episodes. By far too few!

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    42. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      There are six (seven?) seasons of 24 ... There are three seasons of the 4400 ... There are four seasons of enterprise ... There are three seasons of house ... There are three seasons of BSG ... There is one seasons of Hereos ... There is a gazillion seasons of Scrubs, Futurama, Dr. Who etc etc Had I bought all those shows I couldn't afford much of anything else ;)

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    43. Re:Yeah, whatever... by GiMP · · Score: 1

      Say that all of those shows were on tv within the last 6 years... thats 6 years of cable at, what, $40/mo? Forty times twelve gives you a year, times six years would be a cost of $2880.

      Even if all of the shows you listed had 24 episodes per season (and most of them don't), you listed a total of 6+3+4+3+3+1+6 (scrubs)+ and 4 (futurama) = 30 seasons. Multiply that by the number of episodes per season (24) and you get 720. Multiplied by iTune's $1.99 per episode and you get a grand total of $1432.80.

      So... compared to cable, if you ONLY watched the shows that you listed, you would have saved about $1448 dollars by shopping on iTunes.

      I did not include Dr Who in these figures as that ran on the BBC for a period of 26 seasons and ended decades ago. However, if, say, they were showing Dr Who reruns on BBC America twice a week without a repeat (ha!) for the past six years, that would be a total of 624 episodes, which would cost $1241 on iTunes. With that math, compared to cable ($40/mo), you would still have saved $207 over the past six years.

    44. Re:Yeah, whatever... by friedmud · · Score: 1

      There might be three seasons of The 4400 but only one doesn't suck...

      Friedmud

    45. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No DRM. Part of the convenience means allowing it to be played on portable devices. Unless your DRM supports Mac, iPod and Nokia devices, (and will support all future devices I might buy) it makes the content less valuable to me. So you're okay with DRM as long as it's from Apple. Apple won't license FairPlay to other device makers, so that's a pretty shitty option IYAM.
    46. Re:Yeah, whatever... by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      yes, that's exactly why people pirate--because they  don't want the content producers to make any money.

      Do you even listen to what you say?  People just don't want bullshit.  If you charge them a reasonable, appropriately low price, they will buy the stuff because it's easier and better quality.

      I'm noticing your sentiment becoming (only slightly) more popular recently.  You seem to think anybody is owed anything.  Fuck that.  They gotta earn it, just like we do, and I ain't buying random software installed on my machine to keep me from skipping their fucking commercials.

    47. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not really the important part; ads are a necessary evil of broadcast media. Gots to pay the bills somehow, after all.
      I think people are reacting to the fact that NBC is billing this as a replacement for making their shows available on iTunes. But they've settled on an entirely different business model than iTunes. Whereas iTunes generated money from the viewers directly and didn't annoy them with advertising, that viewing method is no longer available. No one is suggesting that NBC doesn't need to get paid...what we're suggesting is that some of us would rather pay NBC directly instead of watching commercials. If that model isn't making as much money as the advertising model, raise the price and offer a free/ad-supported version to, at a minimum, give viewers a choice of which revenue model they prefer.

      Personally, my time is more valuable to me or an employer than it is to NBC. If I were to use the rate I bill my time out to clients as a metric, I'd easily find it cost efficient to pay $20 per episode to have the commercials removed. This has to be more than an ad-supported model would generate on a per-viewer basis. But since NBC won't allow me the option of valuing my time in that fashion and BitTorrent will, I know which option I'll be choosing when the new season of Heroes starts.
    48. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least you can skip the movies. I've got some DVDs that mark their trailers as "can't skip". That "feature" is meant to be used for the FBI warning, but studios use it now to place ads.


      The vast majority of the time (but not absolutely always, without a hacked player), you can get past them by trying:
      1) fast forward
      2) chapter skip forward
      3) MENU button on remote
      4) stop then play

      Usually one of these works. Fairly often only FF is prevented, so chapter skip works.
    49. Re:Yeah, whatever... by gd2shoe · · Score: 1

      I don't know about their new model. The flash version that they have had is actually pretty good. It gives you one commercial about six times throughout the show (instead of dozens). If you don't like the commercial, you can refresh the page and see a different one (oh what a breath of fresh air). The comercials are only aired at the beginning of a segment. You can fast-forward, rewind, pause, whatever within a segment. You can skip between segments (like on a DVD), but need to rewatch the comercial again.

      Yeah, not great, but it's much better than TV.

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    50. Re:Yeah, whatever... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Where did I say that? I don't think my Nokia 770 or phone support FairPlay, and I can't guarantee that any future device I own will. This rules out FairPlay as an acceptable solution.

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    51. Re:Yeah, whatever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, sorry about that, that vitriol was meant for stewbacca, who does seem to like to complain

    52. Re:Yeah, whatever... by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      That's quite the eye opener ... even the 'flat rate' at 50$ would have been more expensive then ITunes. Thanks for doing the math there ;)

      There are actually new Dr Whos .. just google "Dr Who 2006" if that's your kind of thing.

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  4. AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is anyone suspicious about the fact that Microsoft has a HUGE stake in NBC and all of a sudden NBC's content is pulled from Apple's store?

    Criminals.

    1. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Is anyone suspicious about the fact that Microsoft has a HUGE stake in NBC and all of a sudden NBC's content is pulled from Apple's store?

      ... and ins now available in a Windows-only format (surely DRM WMV of some kind).

      Anyway, I watch TV on my TV, not my PC. If I can't move it to my TV easily, no thanks.

    2. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by tkrotchko · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ultimately this is a good thing; it forces NBC to be better than Apple or they fail. It then forces Apple to be better than NBC. Which forces everybody else to be better. Because everybody is competing with free. You've got to be good to compete with free.

      Now the trouble is, companies hate competing, so ideally, Congress will ignore the whining of these big companies as they ask for laws to shield them from competition. It should also look aggressively at these companies if they try to work together to avoid competing with each other.

      This should be interesting to watch.

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    3. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm more suspicious of your "facts". NBC is owned by GE (market cap 427 billion vs MSFT's 268 billion). Maybe you're thinking of MSNBC (a stupid idea), which Microsoft is no longer interested in.

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    4. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NBC is 100% owned by NBC Universal, which is 80% owned by General Electric and 20% owned by Vivendi SA. Remind me how Microsoft fits into this?

    5. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      From Wikipedia- "Although Microsoft and NBC shared operations of the company at its founding, it was announced on December 23, 2005 that NBC Universal would purchase a majority stake in the television network, which left Microsoft with 18%. The two companies remain 50-50 partners in msnbc.com."

      "Microsoft invested $220 million for a 50% share of the cable network, while MSNBC and Microsoft would share the cost of a $200 million newsroom based in Redmond, Washington. NBC supplied the space"

      First off, I never said that Microsoft owned NBC. Reading comprehension is important. If you don't think that NBC and Microsoft could get in bed in areas outside of MSNBC, you are one naive dude. Oh...and check YOUR facts. I don't see any mention anywhere of Microsoft being "no longer interested in" MSNBC. Perhaps you have inside information that you would like to share with us Bill. Or is it Steve? ;)

    6. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension is important. You wrote: Microsoft has a HUGE stake in NBC.

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    7. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got to be good to compete with free.

      As proved by MS. Actually, Windows has improved leaps and bounds since Linux took off, so I guess your point stands.

    8. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Well we know NBC's model won't be better than iTunes just from the description, and iTunes can only be as good as the content available to it. So NBC can't win because they've built a poor model based on antiquated advertising schemes, and Apple can't win without NBC content. In this case, it is a lose-lose situation for the consumer. Gee, thanks NBC.

    9. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by uptownguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As proved by MS. Actually, Windows has improved leaps and bounds since Linux took off, so I guess your point stands.

      As proved by MS. Actually, Windows has improved leaps and bounds since Linux^h^h^h^h^hMac OS took off^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^hstarted eating into their market share

      There you go. Fixed that for you.

      Seriously... Apple is poised to become a fierce competitor once again. Look at the shares of MacBook sales. Linux? I know this is Slashdot and I know we're all pulling for Linux but honstly, "The Year of Linux" is a looooooooooooooong way off.

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    10. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Anymore, the Mac is just another kludge clone PC.

      You can't infer anything from it's sales anymore.

      Some mac book could be running Linux, or even Vista.

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    11. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by walt-sjc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, because anyone running Linux is going to be THRILLED with the single mouse button on a macbook. Works so awesome in X. Much better than other laptops that have 2 or 3...

      Please. The number of macbooks that are NOT running OS X is not going to be statistically significant.

    12. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by theantipop · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, some random PC won't be running OS X. I think there is plenty to infer.

    13. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading comprehension is important. You wrote: Microsoft has a HUGE stake in NBC.

      Yes he did, when Microsoft in fact owns _no_ stake in NBC. But this is Slashdot..

      From: http://www.hoovers.com/nbc/--ID__47376--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml?cm_ven=Biz_Dev&cm_cat=Google&cm_pla=Free&cm_ite=Factsheet

      "The company is part of media conglomerate NBC Universal, which is 80%-owned by General Electric; Vivendi (formerly Vivendi Universal) owns the rest."

    14. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Depends on the market segment. I know a lot of people who switched to OS X for laptop use, but no one who uses it on the server. Server operating systems were traditionally a very high-margin market segment. Expensive mainframes at the very top end, expensive UNIX systems a little way down, and (comparatively) cheap NT servers at the low end. Then Linux (and the BSDs) started giving customers something that was almost as good as an expensive UNIX system, and cheaper than an NT system. This put a lot of heat on Microsoft. Their server products suck a lot less now than they used to.

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    15. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      The number of macbooks that are NOT running OS X is not going to be statistically significant.

      Fine, but the number of MacBooks running VMWare / Parallels with Linux / Windows is NOT statistically insignificant.

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    16. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by SpeedyG5 · · Score: 1

      I am not sure why they can't provide both, Free to those that don't mind commercials and pay for through itunes and all the other services for folks that don't want commercials. This sounds more like NBC is being a control freak. I hate the idea of having to go to each of the providers(CBS,NBC, WB,HBO,SHOWTIME) to get my content, its nice having a single point like itunes, walmart or the like).

      Sometimes I just hate the internet!

    17. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by ardin,mcallister · · Score: 1

      I know you're talking about legally, but you CAN go to one place to get all of your content. Its called isohunt.com and its legality is still in the grey area when talking about downloading TV. :-D

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    18. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      You completely miss the point that they are running OS X "natively."

      People don't (usually) buy a macbook to run Windows or Linux. They buy it to run Mac OS X. They may ALSO run Windows / Linux via VMWare / etc. in order to ease transition or "fit in" to an existing Windows environment, or run a few Windows apps, but they made the conscious choice to buy a Mac running OS X and NOT a Windows box. From this we can infer that the "primary" usage of that machine will be OS X. That is the important fact here when we are talking about Apple eating into the WinTel market. It means that the Mac, with OS X, is becoming a viable and preferred choice for a growing number of people.

      I'll grant the GP's point that some people buy a macbook to run Windows / Linux, but that number is going to be very very small.

    19. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by mkiwi · · Score: 1

      I have a die hard Windows-fanatic friend who is in engineering. Last week he bought a MacBook and was an instant convert. The main reason he did not want a PC laptop was Vista, and he wanted to be able to run all the special hardware and software goodies he uses in business on that laptop. Vista doesn't support those yet. Mac OS X (via parallels, vmware, or boot camp) does. He literally could not believe you could run Windows, be able to right click on a Mac touchpad, and use iLife tools for media.

      That said, this is a guy who thought WMA was a better format than ogg vorbis and aac because it was made by microsoft. He thought that not only was the quality better in wma, but also the compression/quality ratio. Ripping a few CD's and playing them on his new MacBook fixed that problem quickly. Shows you how much MS fud there is lurking about.

    20. Re:AntiTrust yet again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please, it's not a long ways off (I'm running it now!) except for holdouts that want only the defaults and can't be assed to try anything else. Microsoft is welcome to keep those people behind, it gives MS support, but it's mindless support. We'll just pick them up later when they follow the crowd over to one of the Linux platforms.

  5. From free to pay...eventually? by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA:

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them...

    Further into the article:

    But NBC intends to transform the service into a model similar to iTunes by the middle of 2008 -- that is, consumers will pay NBC directly to download episodes of the shows. "We did this to eliminate the middleman," said Jeff Gaspin, the president of NBC's digital division.

    That's fine and dandy, but will the paid version of the episode come complete with ads or is this just an interim solution until the paid model is in place, because I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay for episodes if they contained unskippable ads.

    1. Re:From free to pay...eventually? by garcia · · Score: 1

      That's fine and dandy, but will the paid version of the episode come complete with ads or is this just an interim solution until the paid model is in place, because I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay for episodes if they contained unskippable ads.

      You aren't their target market. I'm not sure what their target market is because it should have been the masses of people Apple already had attracted to the market they nearly created (BT downloaders don't count for this heh).

      They only want to provide this crap to those that *must* see their favorite TV shows and are willing to pay to download them instead of downloading them themselves, using a DVR capable of transfer to mobile devices as part of fair use (even though I love my DirecTivo I have to say fuck you DirecTV on that), etc.

    2. Re:From free to pay...eventually? by ajs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      From TFA:

      Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them... So, this implies either a) a proprietary player or b) a requirement for Windows Media Player and thus Windows.

      Thus, no one running a real OS will be able to watch this crap. Problem solved.
    3. Re:From free to pay...eventually? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I sure as hell wouldn't want to pay for episodes if they contained unskippable ads. I wouldn't mind unskippable ads... if that meant I could watch the program while skipping the ads and have all the skipped ads play in one block at the end of the show (un-skipped), like HDNET.

      Now non-skippable ads I'd have a problem with.
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    4. Re:From free to pay...eventually? by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article also says it'll require Windows and the files will expire in 7 days. It's almost certainly Windows' DRM.

      Oh well, guess I'll keep paying my blood money to the cable company and downloading the improved versions from the usual places. (Improved meaning I can get it whenever I want, with no DRM, no commercials, and in a format that I like.)

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  6. pirates win by timmarhy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I've always advocated that pirates pirate things they wouldn't pay for anyway, hence why they were always going to win.

    make all media pirate proof 100%, make no money. the slightest crack in the system and you make no money.

    simply release your media in a format everyone can enjoy for free in a quality higher then the pirates are putting out, slip in some well targeted adverts, hey presto you just won over a market you had no chance of ever having previously and your making money from it.

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    1. Re:pirates win by ketilwaa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe like put putting it on Miro? http://www.getmiro.com/

      Besides, stopping people from skipping through the video doesn't really correlate with "viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment"

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    2. Re:pirates win by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      simply release your media in a format everyone can enjoy for free in a quality higher then the pirates are putting out, slip in some well targeted adverts, hey presto you just... ...invented broadcast television.
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    3. Re:pirates win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are going to charge you to download something that can be seen for free on basic cable or even using an antenna/vcr....
      This is why the pirates win because of this simple fact. shivver me timber :D

    4. Re:pirates win by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I've always advocated that pirates pirate things they wouldn't pay for anyway, hence why they were always going to win.

      Try reversing the question, ethical issues aside why pay for something you don't need to? If I saw something for sale at $40 in one store and $20 in another, it doesn't matter if I'd be willing to pay $100 it'd still be stupid to pay $40. That's exactly the problem with piracy. Imagine you had a kiosk and a promo stand right next to each other, one trying to sell chocolate and the other is giving it away. Are a helluva lot of people going to take free chocolate, who wouldn't buy any? Yes. Would those willing to buy chocolate, also take the free chocolate? Also yes.

      Depending on that ratio, they lose somewhere between nothing (lower bound) and free chocolates*store price (upper bound). RIAA/MPAA love to use the latter, but pirates love to use the former with equally little reality check. Or the infamous "piracy is marketing" arguement. Well, one person can recommend it to ten other, who'll again recommend it to ten other each and so on but if they're all pirated it doesn't help. It's a pyramid scheme (sorry, multi-level marketing) that depends on there being non-pirates on the bottom of the pyramid that'll buy it. And the sentence most usually following "Hey have you seen $foo? It's cool" is "No, can I download it from [you/torrent/whereever]?"

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    5. Re:pirates win by Myopic · · Score: 1

      a quality higher then the pirates are putting out

      than

      and your making money

      you're

    6. Re:pirates win by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well, exactly. And if it behaved like broadcast TV, I'd be happy:

      Let me tape it to view whenever the hell I want, and let me view as many times as I wish for as long as I want

      Let me skip ads, maybe not conveniently but don't make me view them more than once

      Let me use that tape with any VCR that I own

      Or in digital terms, just gimme the damn download, ads and all, to use however I please... first time I watch it, I won't know where the ads are and won't mind seeing them all that much, but just like with a VCR, next time I'll know when they occur and I'll want to skip past 'em (cuz most ads get old real fast, tho there are a few I'd watch over and over if I could).

      And watermark the downloads if you're afraid of filesharing. -- Tho that seems rather counterintuitive if it's free to begin with -- hell, they should *encourage* filesharing with the ads left intact, and they could even raise their ad rates accordingly -- more eyeballs.

      And realistically, most TV is only watched once or twice, and most ads get outdated anyway, so I don't see why they should care if I skip 'em on older content.

      So, yes... offer it exactly like the broadcast TV it's intended to replace, and most of us will be happy as hell with it, ads and all. But limit its usability, and I won't bother; ain't nothing I need to see that bad.

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    7. Re:pirates win by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

      Try reversing the question, ethical issues aside why pay for something you don't need to? If I saw something for sale at $40 in one store and $20 in another, it doesn't matter if I'd be willing to pay $100 it'd still be stupid to pay $40. it completely ignores the issue though of the movies that are somewhere between "I just wasted 2 hours of my life, I want them back" and "god, I am sooo happy I didn't pay for that"
      Let's face it- I will pay reasonably for things I want- but I certainly won't pay for things that I don't. Whether or not I have "illegal" copies of those make no impact as I would not have spent any $ on them in the first place, and when it comes to theater releases- around here where a night at the movies w/my girlfriend costs, all told 40-50 bucks I REALLY have to want to see the movie to go.
    8. Re:pirates win by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      You got the point exactly.

      Problem is, those providing the content still don't get it, and even want to restrict the freedom broadcast television affords with things like the Broadcast Flag. They want to broadcast their content and control it too, and mandate that everyone and everything play by their new rules. And they have enough momentum to scare device makers into build-in support for honoring a Broadcast Flag that still isn't legally mandated (like in TiVos).

      I'd wager that a format that allowed unrestrained playing and the sharing of verbatim copies without editing (i.e. containing commercials) would gain general acceptance. They could easily offer that at DVD quality now and still make their hay on HD media. As long as it doesn't phone home, not even for updated ads.

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    9. Re:pirates win by Reziac · · Score: 1

      They do seem to forget that with broadcast, we only see commercials once. Lazy folk (meaning most people) would see downloaded commercials multiple times, if only cuz it wasn't worth the time and bother to remove them, at least so long as they're no worse than the average broadcast commercial.

      As to phone-home, that would only happen with a proprietary player, which I don't think would get very far, compared to something that ANYONE can use at will. But that's easy to compensate too: just have a URL displayed at the beginning (can they be made embedded/clickable like I've seen in other media?), and "Come here to download next week's thrilling episode!" -- which of course would deliver next week's ads along with.

      So, yes, I think this model would quickly propagate, and increase their net revenues considerably as advertisers twigged to it (hey look, this show got passed around 50000 times, we got 50000 cheap sets of eyeballs!). But I think the real issue is the same as the RIAA's -- they're too afraid of losing control: OMG, TV shows might not have to pay us to carry them anymore! now *anyone* can broadcast direct to the viewer, NO BROADCAST OR CABLE NETWORK NEEDED (don't need DVD distribution chains either), and we can't have THAT!!

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  7. Commercials you can't skip? by Dekortage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article:

    ...the files, which would be downloaded overnight to home computers, would contain commercials that viewers would not be able to skip through. And the file would not be transferable to a disk or to another computer.

    The files would degrade after the seven-day period and be unwatchable. "Kind of like 'Mission: Impossible,' only I don't think there would be any explosion and smoke," Mr. Gaspin said.

    The programs will initially be downloadable only to PCs with the Windows operating system, but NBC said it planned to make the service available to Mac computers and iPods later.

    You can't skip through the commercials? Can't transfer them to a disk or other computer? Any bets on how long this will last?

    But maybe this will help...

    In a second phase of the NBC rollout, customers would pay a fee for downloads of episodes that they would then own, and the files would be transferable to other devices. NBC hopes to offer this service by mid-2008, depending on how quickly the company can put in place the secure software necessary to allow payment by credit card. [emphasis added]

    Right, because online payment systems are magical. Only the top wizards understand the spells that make them work. That's why nobody except Apple has secure software to allow payment by credit cards: Steve Jobs is the toppest of the top wizards.

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    1. Re:Commercials you can't skip? by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Right, because online payment systems are magical. Only the top wizards understand the spells that make them work. That's why nobody except Apple
      > has secure software to allow payment by credit cards: Steve Jobs is the toppest of the top wizards.

      I read that as meaning that software would embed the purchasers credit card details into the episodes being downloaded. You could share those files if you like - it would save you the effort of posting your credit card details on piratebay...

    2. Re:Commercials you can't skip? by DannyO152 · · Score: 1

      Macs and iPods later. Isn't this what the BBC said? I wonder if Microsoft has told them something about a silverlight based, multi-platform client program, coming real soon now and abso-damn-lutely guaranteed to really work kinda okay.

    3. Re:Commercials you can't skip? by rastoboy29 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They really are stupid motherfuckers and this will succeed in exactly the same way as MTV's Urge.

  8. I suspect it'll only apply to US and maybe europe by Bazar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've tried downloading/watching heroes from NBC before.
    Because i was accessing it from a non-american IP address, they locked me out, citing no advertisers for my region (New Zealand)

    Talking of which, they previous/already offered the ability to watch previous episodes of heroes before, what exactly has changed?
    Isn't this just a rehash of what they already have, just with plans to turn it into an iTunes competitor later next year?

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  9. iTunes causes music piracy? by Dekortage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTA:

    Mr. Gaspin said, "piracy was and is our No. 1 priority." He said that the music industry had been devastated by the free exchange of music, much of it facilitated by iTunes.

    Holy smokes: the most succesful legal online music distribution service on the Internet is actually a haven for piracy? Up is down, war is peace. Next up: the beef market has been terribly devastated by the popularity of McDonald's restaurants.

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    1. Re:iTunes causes music piracy? by ThePhin · · Score: 1

      You're overlooking their mindset. Fairplay (iTunes Music Store DRM) lets you play your purchase on five computers! And an unlimited number of iPods. Or you can play them on your AppleTV. Or... Ooh! Ooh! You can burn them to a CD, where they are no longer DRM controlled. Never mind that original CDs can be ripped (synonymous with 'stolen' according to RIAA propaganda) and then shared around as well.

      Oh, and now you can pay $0.30 more per song (from selected labels/artists) and not have any DRM at all.

      Voila! iTunes 'facilitates' piracy, in much the same way that ripping your purchased CD is 'theft'.

    2. Re:iTunes causes music piracy? by kmac06 · · Score: 1

      Next up: the beef market has been terribly devastated by the popularity of McDonald's restaurants.

      Well yeah. You think that's real meat they put in those things?

  10. Six years too late by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 1

    If studios had addressed this in 2001 we, as "consumers", would be much better off.

    As it is this is all coming about because of a tiff between studios and Apple, which will culminate in differing DRM models as more media sources decide to go online, greater likelihood of a "pay-to-play" internet (at least in the US), and the certainty that commercials will be inserted into the shows *real*soon*.

    Thank god USENET remains an option, as does Miro.

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    1. Re:Six years too late by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      My ISP took down their USENET servers years ago. There's still other usenet networks you pay to use, but that's an extra cost on top of my already high internet costs, and isn't as fast as when it was on my ISPs network.

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    2. Re:Six years too late by Null537 · · Score: 1

      We do not talk about U****T! It doesn't exist. What's Enn-Eff-Oh? I don't know...no idea...

    3. Re:Six years too late by Floritard · · Score: 1

      and isn't as fast as when it was on my ISPs network. Ahahaha Aha ha hah haha hehe haaa! What? Heh hooo haha. Ahem. Hmmmm. What now?
    4. Re:Six years too late by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      His statement is most likely true. As the volume on Usenet exploded, many ISP's found themselves with massively overloaded servers. Rather than add capacity, they shut them down.

    5. Re:Six years too late by Rakarra · · Score: 1
      If studios had addressed this in 2001 we, as "consumers", would be much better off.

      I disagree. I get the feeling that consumers in general came up with their own solution that is better than anything the studios would have come out with.

  11. Not as good as it sounds by KClaisse · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Well, I read TFA, and I have to say, it's not such a great thing.

    The service will allow customers to download full episodes of NBC shows for seven days on Windows-based PCs. The file will expire after the seven days. So it sounds like they are saying, this is Windows only. Lots of Mac and Linux users are going to be disappointed.

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them. ...

    ... consumers will pay NBC directly to download episodes of the shows. So wait, we have to pay to see un-skippable commercials? Forget that! They aren't going to win over the people who are simply TiVo'ing their favorite shows, or (god forgive) the ones who downloading them elsewhere. NBC is asking a little too much here.
    1. Re:Not as good as it sounds by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 1

      Lots of Mac and Linux users are going to be disappointed.

      On the contrary: lots of Mac, Linux and Windows users were using Bittorrent anyway, and NBC is encouraging this approach by tightening the clamps, so it actually sounds like this will result in more satisfied pirates than ever before.

      The only disappointed people will be those who insist on doing things legally, but fortunately for the pirate world the industry has been trying to punish loyal customers for years. In this new punishment users are being restricted to a single platform, made to watch ads despite having paid for the content, and will have the content 'expire' after a few days. Sounds like anyone posting a comment on this site is more qualified to run a profitable digital television distribution system than these clowns.

    2. Re:Not as good as it sounds by budword · · Score: 1

      Lots of Mac and Linux user aren't going to be disappointed. No one is going to be disappointed. No one wants to use this.

    3. Re:Not as good as it sounds by colfer · · Score: 1
      You didn't read the article, the version with commercials is free, the other is not. But NBC will delay rolling out the pay service.

      NBC's current Flash player has tons of free episodes from last year. I think they'll take those down when the new season starts in a few weeks. It is a little buggy: it loses the close captioning every so often, etc. But the main thing is that you can't watch it on a slow DSL (384Kb) connection, there is no way to degrade or cache. It just stops every five seconds. Pausing does not help. I think that's why you can't rip the cache .flv, unlike with most other Flash players.

      Fox's player on MySpace is better. Uck.

      Quote of a quote from TFA:

      "It's not just a shift from a supermarket to a mom-and-pop story, it's a shift to one store that only sells bread, another store that only sells dairy products. The consumers have decided they want to get their content from iTunes."
    4. Re:Not as good as it sounds by PriceIke · · Score: 1

      True statement.

      If I wanted to watch Heroes, I'd buy it on DVD. From what I've read, the terms of NBC's download service are entirely unacceptible, so I will just [continue to] ignore NBC.

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    5. Re:Not as good as it sounds by KClaisse · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually I did read the article and nowhere does it explicitly say that the costly one would have no commercials, they just said they were going to charge in '08. You quote where it says the commercials will be removed when they charge.

    6. Re:Not as good as it sounds by AndersOSU · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm disappointed, I thought someone had seen the light.

      Message to content producers: I know that you make money from me watching ads, and I'm ok with that. If you want me to see ads, all you have to do is put the content up for free, in a high quality (read not streaming) format, as soon as it airs. Leave the commercials in. If I can download a mpeg from your site (or better yet, with your bit torrent client,) I'll go there rather than searching the piratebay for the same content with commercials removed.

      It's your job to convince your clients (the advertisers) that having your show sit on my computer with ads intact is almost as good as broadcasting commercials over the air. I probably won't sit through them, but I don't do that on the couch either.

      One more time, it doesn't matter how many copies I make, or how many friends I give them too, so long as the ads are there. You should know this, it's how they pay your salary. Gaging interest and/or viewership isn't as hard as you make it out to be, make your bit torrent client report back when a download finishes, I won't mind, and the few slashdotters that do are trivial compared to the people that don't know.

    7. Re:Not as good as it sounds by colfer · · Score: 1
      Ok my bad sorta. It's in the longer NYT article posted later. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/business/media/20nbc.html

      Mr. Gaspin said that one important attraction of the NBC service was the option it would offer consumers to receive programs on a temporary basis free, but including commercials, as well as the choice to pay a fee for episodes without commercials and own the programs.
    8. Re:Not as good as it sounds by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      So it sounds like they are saying, this is Windows only. Lots of Mac and Linux users are going to be disappointed.

      For now maybe, but Silverlight plays WMV files, will eventually become the standard web based video client instead of WMP.

      As this happens, flipping channels on the net or NBC will be available for all OSes and be a heck a lot better quality than current offerings. Even the 'new proposal' for flash video still lacks behind WMV (VC-1) and SilverLight.

      Although the NBC is an independent offering, eventually all broadcast will be available live or later streaming on the web, or available via IPTV as Vista users already have access to instead of having to purchase Cable service just to get your latest fix of Heroes or House. (BTW Heroes was available online last year after the show aired and was 'very' successful for viewers that missed the original airing.)

    9. Re:Not as good as it sounds by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The people who are going to be disappointed are the ones who were hoping for something better than this.

      People hoping for progression from the industry instead of regression.

  12. Just great... by TheRealStyro · · Score: 1, Funny

    Just great, another advertiser-based Internet-distribution video service. And naturally not compatible with any other service and/or PMP.

    Here we go...
    1) download
    2) crack (?)
    3) strip advertising/convert format
    4) watch
    5) share (optional)
    6) delete when DVDs are released
    7) repeat steps 1-5 with DVDs
    8) when pay service starts change 1 to "pay & download".

    Meh. As long as my PVR keeps working I'll stick with 1,3,4 & maybe 6.


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    1. Re:Just great... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      5) share (optional)

      If everyone else can get it for free as well, why would you feel the need to 'share' it out?

    2. Re:Just great... by raahsnav · · Score: 1

      Because of step 2 and 3. Everyone can get the version with the ads, Crack it and yank out the ads, then share it again. As this list went on the only thing I could think of is 'they forgot the ... 10) Profit!'

  13. Naturally, everyone has to do their own thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am an Apple fan boy. With that out of the way, it is simply obvious to me and millions of others that iTunes is a well-refined product. With years of polish it has become one of the best media management packages around. So what are NBC going to end up releasing? My bet is some clunky, flash-in-the-pan web site with Windows-only formats and all the broken crap that comes with then. I am not denying problems with the Apple offering (DRM among them), but this move has the unfortunate effect of fragmenting a service that, for the consumer, is best unified.

    1. Re:Naturally, everyone has to do their own thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free market means everybody that thinks they can do better is free to try, and the market will decide if it works or not. Personally I think NBC's model sounds shitty, but not because of their delivery system. iTunes doesn't impress me either. It makes more sense to me, honestly, to go to the channel's web site to get their shows.

      That said, shoving DRM in is pretty much bullshit, and I really hope they'll get a clue and remove the ads when people start paying. But saying iTunes is some kind of boon to mankind such that it should be the central point to get media from? Please.

      I like a lot of Apple's products, but iTunes on anything but OSX is a shitty encapsulated app with horrid performance and a lot of sloppiness to it. I certainly won't miss it OR whatever NBC comes up with for delivery.

  14. I think what's he's saying by tkrotchko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think what he's trying to imply is that iTunes (not iTMS) allows people to rip their own CD's unencumbered by DRM. In fact, it doesn't even have an option to force DRM on songs. I was curious about this too, until I realized that MS Windows Media Player has an option to "Copy Protect Music" and presumably has the ability to force people to "copy protect music" if Micrsoft deems it important. Imagine if iTunes never became the dominant music software; I'm guessing this option would already be turned on.

    This is probably some sort of PR spin over the fact that NBC is most likely going to use Windows Media Player to base their options, and this is a feature that a marketing person would tout as important. And at first glance, I think Joe Average will see this as important too, since it will cut down on those dirty hackers and pirates from stealing music.

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    1. Re:I think what's he's saying by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      I think what he's trying to imply is that iTunes (not iTMS) allows people to rip their own CD's unencumbered by DRM. In fact, it doesn't even have an option to force DRM on songs. I was curious about this too, until I realized that MS Windows Media Player has an option to "Copy Protect Music" and presumably has the ability to force people to "copy protect music" if Micrsoft deems it important. Imagine if iTunes never became the dominant music software; I'm guessing this option would already be turned on.

      Actually, I think what he's saying is that he's so stupid that he thinks that all iTunes songs lack DRM, thus one person buys from iTunes and then all their friends have it. Never underestimate the stupidity of those in the entertainment industry.

      I am one of the few people that actually has bought DRMed WMA files. Long story short - what I wanted was not available on iTunes and a site that legally sold WMA files was my only source as this was not available on CD anywhere. Windows Media Player very happily let me burn a normal audio CD of my purchased songs, which I could then rip if I so chose. So even if you buy DRMed WMA files, you can still burn normal audio CDs from them.

    2. Re:I think what's he's saying by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think what he's trying to imply is that iTunes (not iTMS) allows people to rip their own CD's unencumbered by DRM. In fact, it doesn't even have an option to force DRM on songs. I was curious about this too, until I realized that MS Windows Media Player has an option to "Copy Protect Music" and presumably has the ability to force people to "copy protect music" if Micrsoft deems it important. Imagine if iTunes never became the dominant music software; I'm guessing this option would already be turned on.


      Actually, it already happened. I believe it was in the Windows 2000 era (befors iPods and iTunes), but Windows Media Player defaulted to WMA *with* DRM ("Copy protect music"). You could go and switch it to MP3 or turn off DRM, but by default, it was on. A lot of people were screwed when they reinstalled Windows and ended up with gigs of music they had to re-rip.

      A quick Google reveals it was Windows Media Player 9 that had it "on" by default. Windows Media Player 10 turned it off by default...
  15. Used Amazon Unbox by Enry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used Amazons Unbox on my Tivo HD and downloaded the NBC pilots for Bionic Woman and Journeyman. Neither had commercials, so ran in about 42-45 minutes. Both were in SD format, which I should have expected given the amount of bandwidth required for HD, but I could set up a download from amazon.com at work, go home and then watch a show.

    Neither of these were shows I might have watched otherwise (or told the Tivo to record), but I may watch a few episodes of both now and give them a chance. Thanks NBC! Now bring back Studio 60 and all will be well with the world.

    1. Re:Used Amazon Unbox by prockcore · · Score: 2, Informative

      Same here.

      I found that quite ironic. NBC fell upwards when Apple shut them out of iTunes. Amazon's Unbox offers better quality and more convenience for me. Being able to download shows directly to my TiVo and watch them in DVD quality had me immediately hooked on Amazon's Unbox. Plus I'm able to shop Unbox from either my TiVo or from any web browser.

      Apple would never partner with TiVo because Apple suffers from NIH syndrome.

  16. The Real Reason They Left iTunes Is... by NotNormal · · Score: 1

    Apple wouldn't let them double dip. Now they can charge the advertisers to embed their ads in the program. Then charge the viewer to watch the ads. Boy am I glad I have a DVR... Not only can I watch Heroes when I want; I can skip the commercials pretty easily.

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    1. Re:The Real Reason They Left iTunes Is... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      No, you don't understand. By making you wait a week, by imbedding commercials, by making it Windows-only, and by making the file disappear after one week, they are giving you MORE options. I particularly like the option that I can't use it on my Mac and the fact I get free commercials too! That's giving me some sweet control. I hope this crashes and burns faster than a Zune, and the idiot executive that came up with this gets canned.

    2. Re:The Real Reason They Left iTunes Is... by kennygraham · · Score: 1

      Apple wouldn't let them double dip.

      apple... double dip... hehe fondue... i need sleep

    3. Re:The Real Reason They Left iTunes Is... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Try reading next time. You don't have to wait a week. The shows are available immediately after air. Which is better than iTunes which was next day.. sometimes longer.

    4. Re:The Real Reason They Left iTunes Is... by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you are right, because being availabe immediate after air, BUT ONLY BEING AVAILABLE FOR ONE WEEK, is soo much better. Good luck picking up season 3 episode 13 of the Office.

  17. How does it work? by hcdejong · · Score: 1

    Are there any players where a media file can disallow 'skipping the commercials'? Will it disallow skipping for commercials only, or will seeking be disabled for the entire file?

    1. Re:How does it work? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Why would you want to skip the commercials? That's part of the "higher quality video experience".

    2. Re:How does it work? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      Yes. If you count single-chapter DVD media. Some players won't allow you to spin on through segments willy nilly because there are no marker frames in the stream.

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  18. consume????? by Nonillion · · Score: 1

    "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment,"

    You know, you should really change 'viewers' to customers and 'consume' to view. You act as if your customers are mindless drones that gain sustenance from viewing your content.

    Oh, wait...

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    1. Re:consume????? by khendron · · Score: 1

      You have it backwards. The customers of NBC are not its viewers. NBC's customers are its advertisers, and viewers are the product that NBC is selling.

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  19. You have no idea how on-demand works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the on-demand services, the feed you the programming locally. With this, the cable company has to pay other people for bandwidth... for each and every person that uses it.

  20. Brilliance by fishthegeek · · Score: 1

    According to this paper the revenue to NBC would be about one dollar per viewer with traditional media distribution. I'm not an Apple fan boy, but at the $1.99 price for television I would guess that NBC was actually making more money per video than they will running their own distribution system and supporting it with advertising.

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    1. Re:Brilliance by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Yes, it definitely sounded to me like cutting off their nose to spite their face.

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    2. Re:Brilliance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not an Apple fan boy"

      You're not exactly a marketing genius either. The audience for free tv with commericals is different for the audience for pay tv without. NBC will be getting a dollar from an audience they were getting nothing from before. They are still selling $1.99 commercial free episodes as well.

    3. Re:Brilliance by slapout · · Score: 1

      If it was all about money, there are quite a few shows that wouldn't have been canceled when they were.

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  21. Re:I suspect it'll only apply to US and maybe euro by rtyall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because i was accessing it from a non-american IP address, they locked me out, citing no advertisers for my region (New Zealand) Just run your browser through an American proxy, or use Tor and keep trying till it works.
  22. That didn't take long by mbone · · Score: 1

    August 31 - NBC announces that it will terminate its relation with iTMS. The reason is reported by Apple to be that "Apple declined to pay more than double the wholesale price for each NBC TV episode, which would have resulted in the retail price to consumers increasing to $4.99 per episode from the current $1.99." NBC announces a relationship with Amazon to sell shows.

    September 20 - NBC announces that they will give the shows away, with ads. Note that they could have kept their pricing with iTMS and also given the shows away if they had wanted to. This seems to me to indicate a major screw-up on NBCs part.

    I wonder if anyone got fired over this - after all, the Fall season is beginning. Maybe NBC felt that they won't get any Internet audience at all. Clearly, there is something going on behind the scenes we haven't heard of yet.

    1. Re:That didn't take long by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Not to mention, with NBC hosting their shows with iTMS, APPLE is paying for all the costs associated with file serving, accounting, etc, NOT NBC. NBC will quickly go into the red if more than 5 people decide to give this a try. Then once the 6th guy can't get his content, because NBC hasn't spent enough money to be able to deliver the content over the 'net, the 7th guy doesn't even try and launches his favorite bit torrent software instead.

    2. Re:That didn't take long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude. They are still getting an internet audience. You can still download the episodes for $1.99 from Amazon. No commericials. It's even in higher quailty format than itunes. Actually you can still download from itunes for this fall season.

    3. Re:That didn't take long by blueZhift · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the behind the scenes stuff involved advertisers wanting to renegotiate ad rates for the shows pulled from iTMS, renegotiate them down. Why? Because even if the iTMS shows don't have ads in them, they help build audience for the show, ie, ratings. Pulling them from iTMS would probably result in a dip in ratings (or not) which means that rates should arguably be reduced. I know if I were an advertiser who paid up before all of this, I'd be looking for a better deal.

  23. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by the_fat_kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    instead of "buying shows on iTunes and getting ripped off" you will be buying commercials from NBC and getting screwed.
    instead of buying an episode from iTunes and watching it (maybe even with out commercials) as much as you like, you will get 7 days to watch the commercial content. You can't even fast forward these things.
    truely a TV executives wet dream.

    this is just like the stupid lillypond thing. WMA, DRM, crap.
    but I'm sure that this will stop piracy. yar.

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  24. Free to pay? by merlinokos · · Score: 0

    Much as I'd like to say this is a fine idea, I've been watching TV for free for most of my life. I don't want that to change now, or ever. I'm used to commercial breaks, and I'm not prepared to pay for something I can watch on network TV, for free -- it'd be different if I paid to watch NBC, but I don't. The sponsors pay for it, and the deal is that I get to watch for free in return for a few ads, which I can walk away from. When I first read that I would be able to watch TV online without paying, I thought it was a great idea. Two things stop me having the warm-fuzzies by the end of the article. 1) 7 days isn't long enough. I want to be able to record it, the same way I would with a VHS tape. Download, watch later. I'll even leave the commercials in. 2) FREE is what matters. I'm unwilling to pay for essentially free content. So while the system is free, I'll take advantage of it. As soon as it requires money, I'll be on the do-not-watch list, and back on BitTorrent, where I can get the whole show, edited to be without commercials, for a price I like.

  25. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    iTunes shows cost $2. These shows contain unskipable adverts. Both contain DRM. Assuming they include 10 minutes of adverts in a one-hour video, and that you will only watch the show once, your time would have worth under $12/hour for them to be better value than the iTunes version. Where I live, that's barely minimum wage.

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  26. 30Rock! by colfer · · Score: 1

    Just about the only Emmy they got right, 30 Rock.

  27. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Assuming they include 10 minutes of adverts in a one-hour video, and that you will only watch the show once, your time would have worth under $12/hour for them to be better value than the iTunes version.

    Of course! Time spent watching TV is billable time. I think we've found the ???? step before PROFIT!

  28. Great move! by failedlogic · · Score: 0

    I like this idea. If the content is high-res enough and manageable size - say about 300 MB, then I don't mind this have non-skippable commercials. For one, it beats downloading the content illegally. Second, it supports the content providers. Third, there are few shows I'm interested in watching and of those some are on NBC. Cable is an expense I would rather spare. And buying box-sets on DVD (or renting them) is expensive in my area.

    Lastly, I live in Canada - it sends a big Fuck You to the CRTC (I'm quite sure there won't be too many opposing me here ;) ) - they don't have to exist anymore since they don't have any control over digital mediums. Besides, in Canada, the CRTC *makes* cable TV more expensive since I *have* to buy Canadian channels and American channels. I could care less for all the Canadian channels save the CBC.

    1. Re:Great move! by Hatta · · Score: 1

      For one, it beats downloading the content illegally.

      With a torrent, I can watch it anywhere I want on any device I want for as long as I want with no commercials. How does this beat that?

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    2. Re:Great move! by Scott+Tracy · · Score: 1

      You don't think these NBC shows will be available outside of the U.S., do you? Remember, NBC buys the rights for its TV shows from the Hollywood studios, licensed for the U.S. only. Those studios then sell the TV (and now sometimes broadband/mobile) rights to Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

      It's got nothing to do with the CRTC. The CRTC could vanish tomorrow and you'd still have the same restrictions. It's about contracts and territories. Most content holders make waaaay more money selling off rights country-by-country; it's almost unheard of to buy international rights. Why pay all that extra money when you can't make it back? What advertiser in the U.S. wants to buy eyeballs in Dubai?

    3. Re:Great move! by chris411 · · Score: 1

      "Lastly, I live in Canada - it sends a big Fuck You to the CRTC "

      I also live in Canada. Have you tried NBC's video service at all? You can't view the videos; you can't even view the 2-minutes recap! Looks like I'll keeping my torrent client open.

  29. "Degrade"? by glindsey · · Score: 3, Funny

    According to TFA, the videos will "degrade" after seven days.

    I'm assuming this means that your download of 30 Rock will slowly morph into an episode of Studio 60, and eventually, Saturday Night Live itself.

  30. no viewing on the go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment"

    Too bad that will no longer include watching shows on a video iPod. I've seen lots of people watching Heroes (NBC) and other programs on the subway, so the interest is there.

    As someone else pointed out, NBC could have done just fine by sticking with iTunes AND trying this concept out. Anyone else expect to see them back on iTunes in 2 years after their failed experiments with ad-imbedded content?

  31. Greedy Fucks by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

    "With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment," said Vivi Zigler, the executive vice president of NBC Digital Entertainment. "Not only does this feature give them more control, but it also gives them a higher quality video experience."

    Followed by:

    The service will allow customers to download full episodes of NBC shows for seven days on Windows-based PCs. The file will expire after the seven days.

    More control? Windows-based PCs only?

    In control of how, when and where? File expires after seven days? Windows-based PCs only?

    But, the best part (which actually manages to top the above marketing double-speak), is this:

    Commercials will be embedded in the programs and viewers will not be able to skip through them.

    Followed by:

    But NBC intends to transform the service into a model similar to iTunes by the middle of 2008 -- that is, consumers will pay NBC directly to download episodes of the shows.

    Consumers will PAY to be forced to watch commercials? Consumers will be scammed by a company double-dipping?

    Greedy fucks. Media corps are wondering why consumers are getting sick and tired of their bullshit? It isn't hard to figure out.

    Glad I'm Canadian. I'm going to vote with my dollar and exercise my legal right to download for personal use only.

  32. Gee, too bad no one has tried this before... by bockelboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now it is establishing its own downloading service, which NBC executives say they expect to become a viable competitor to iTunes

    Suuure. A viable competitor - but without a quarter of the video content, no music, probably crap software, lousy integrated experience, and no iPod support. It's as if they just opened a new brick and mortar NBC store which sells laser disks.

    Let me know how that goes for you.
    1. Re:Gee, too bad no one has tried this before... by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      but without a quarter of the video content

      No offense (and I personally don't expect this to happen, but you never know) -- Apple would be in seriously dire straights if enough content providers pulled an NBC. Apple produces NO VIDEO CONTENT of their own. For some reason, people seem to keep forgetting this. The livelihood of the iTunes Store relies on keeping content providers happy -- not under Apple's thumb.
    2. Re:Gee, too bad no one has tried this before... by FatMacDaddy · · Score: 1

      I see the point you're making, but I would say that the success of iTMS relies on keeping consumers happy. I don't think any of the content producers have ever been happy about iTunes, except the indies. The major content producers have grudingly gone along becuase they want that revenue. But Jobs has probably made more enemies there than friends. Microsoft, on the other hand, has apparently made it more a priority to keep the content producers happy, but the Zune and their music deals don't seem to go anywhere.

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  33. Fragmenting the market is a poor strategy by HangingChad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Although I suspect this is more of an attempt by NBC to get people to pay to watch commercials, it's ultimately going to be bad for their business and the on-demand market in general. It's almost never a win to fragment a potential market, particularly for the consumer but who really cares about them anymore? With entertainment consolidated to a few major players, the consumer is an abstract concept with no form or value as an individual.

    Ultimately this will prove to be a fruitless endeavor. You can't drive an internet market by conscription. The history of the internet is littered with the corpses of companies that thought the same thing. Imagine needing a set-top box to tune in an individual TV station. NBC and CBS use the same type box, but you need a different one for ABC and Fox. WB has their own. It seems silly in any other market context, but that's what Apple and NBC are trying to do.

    Personally, I don't think the big media players are ever going to catch on. The farther down the road we go, the big media companies actually seem to be devolving. Fortunately that will open up markets for smarter players. Production companies with a leaner cost structure and the freedom of thought to consider product placement, co-branding and a host of other revenue streams rather than a strict commercial model.

    I gave a keynote at a NAB convention a couple years ago about the likely impact of the internet on media distribution and the opportunities for new revenue channels. Got a lot of head nodding but when I talked to them afterwards it was pretty clear it wasn't sinking in. They were still trying to fit the internet into the revenue models they already knew.

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  34. Does anyone see the Microsoft in MS[NBC] here? by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    Let's be honest guys and see this for what it is.

    The iPod is *the* portable media player. period. Zune has made no traction in the market. NBC's affiliation with Microsoft is now being used to forward the Microsoft monopoly machine.

    Microsoft says shut off apple and ipods and only serve Windows machines. You know the shoe will drop when the Zune becomes the *only* portable media player that will work. Just you watch.

    Big companies like Windows with its DRM because it allows them to manage your pesky "fair use" rights for you to their benefit.

  35. not free by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also notice that the service only free till "mid 2008". And It also has commercials. The videos dont come out till a week after airing and expire 7 days after you download them. Finally what can we expect for the "real" price in 2008. Well some details have emerged on the price NBC wanted apple to charge. You may recall the price they wanted apple to charge was said to be $4.99 but NBC denied this vehemently. Well it turns out what they wanted was to force apple to purchase bundles of shows. SO to get a popular show like Heros apple would have to buy one episode of heros and 2 episodes of some re-run. The equivalent price of those 3 shows was 4.99. But apple could only charge 2.99 for the Hero's. This would have left apple with a net loss for all the re-runs it could not off load to other customers for 99 cents.

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    1. Re:not free by tdandh · · Score: 1

      The videos dont come out till a week after airing

      The article says they will be available immediately after airing, for a week, after which time they will expire.
    2. Re:not free by Ryandav · · Score: 1

      I think the FakeSteve blog posting about this was absolutely spot on:
      http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/09/were-thrilled-about-this-nbc-download.html

      "So, fair enough. Bring on the big media cluster fuck. Roll out all the different systems that don't work together. Bring on all the different kinds of software, none of which will work as well as iTunes. Bring on a zillion different user interfaces, a zillion accounts you need to set up, a zillion new usernames and passwords and a list of which services can work on which devices in which format. Right. When you're good and tired of that, we'll be here waiting for you."

      Whether or not RSJ actually thinks like this, what FSJ is saying is correct. The studios have painted themselves into a corner and will likely come back begging when their implementation fails to deliver as well as the iTunes sales were doing

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  36. And so it begins: by hcdejong · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the Balkanisation of online video. Instead of being able to find everything in one place, I'm back to using Google to find individual shows. Also, NBC currently doesn't allow video on its site to be seen outside the US, I suspect the new service won't be any better in this regard.

    At least we could count on Apple wanting to distribute these shows worldwide; I doubt NBC will want the trouble of allowing worldwide access (they'd rather sell the rights to the show to a national broadcaster instead).

    1. Re:And so it begins: by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Excellent point about the overseas bit. I lived in the UK for the past two years, and if it weren't for iTMS, I would have had no legal avenue to watch the US version of the Office (and a few other shows). As a matter of fact, my viewing habits are such now, that we don't watch tv. We download the shows we like, and then watch them at our leisure. I like the id of HIGH quality playback that NBC is promising, and I wouldn't even mind commercials, as long as it was HD quality (not almost, not compressed, not proprietary NBC/MS crap, but HD content, no matter how large the file size), but the "self-destructs-in-7-days" bit is stupid. I have a very fast internet where I live and 500mb files (as on post claims Lost episodes are) wouldn't take very long. So, why not offer max quality shows, at a premium? I don't own an HD dvd player, so buying the standard quality dvd's is not really an option for me, since I've seen Heroes is coming out in HD DVD. I also don't want to play the stupid format wars, so I guess I'll go with whichever download service offers HD shows (are you listening Steve Jobs?).

  37. Ill get in on that by unity100 · · Score: 1

    Im willing to get in on that and even pay for downloads if they put RATIONAL prices. and by rational i mean nothing like the dvd 'prices' they are circulating around in the market. I need logical stuff.

    there are loads of nbc comedies i want to get on my disk.

    aaah, and i wont be using no microsoft stuff for that. if thats part of the deal, forget it. id rather make a sock puppet and watch it, instead of having to buy a zune or zone or whatever.

    1. Re:Ill get in on that by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that $1.99 is too much for one episode? What about the $34.99 price or whatever it is for a full season? My only gripe with the iTMS pricing is the quality of the video isn't very good. The price is good enough for the convenience of watching the show, but it is too expensive for those who want high-quality, replayability. I download about 3 or 4 shows (all seasons) but I'll never use them to get the most out of my home theater system (in excess of $10,000 worth of schtuff).

    2. Re:Ill get in on that by unity100 · · Score: 1

      it would be good if its a wee bit lower than $1.99. If its 50 cents, i have nothing to say. $34~ for one season doesnt seem bad, but still a bit high.

  38. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by Clockwurk · · Score: 1

    This story is titled "NBC to offer FREE download service"... Nobody is going to buy episodes with commercials, we are going to get them for free.

  39. A report ... based on last year's offering. by 7grain · · Score: 1

    They offered Heroes and about a dozen other shows in HD downloadable content last season. I watched the 2nd half of the Heroes season this way. The download files are about 500 MB; very large. And they come slowly. Each one needed about 1015hours to find it's way to my computer. The results were great - it's like DVD-quality video. (Not quite 1080p but I don't remember the exact specs.) Very, very pretty video. And only one 15-second commercial between each segment means you're done in about 45 minutes. The only downside is that you had to watch your video during the week that it was broadcast, otherwise it would "expire" and be deleted from the player.

    Speaking of the player - Proprietary player. Very clunky. The GUI is all about NBC content, just what you'd expect. Worse than ITMS by far. But, you know, I put up with a lot for that kind of convenience, and I'm pleased to send NBC the "message" that I'm interested in great high-quality video that I can timeshift on my computer, no TV required. I LOVE IT. I just run it in a Virtual PC because I'm a little scared of their software.

    Cheers.

    1. Re:A report ... based on last year's offering. by TechnicolourSquirrel · · Score: 1

      Each one needed about 1015hours to find it's way to my computer. Wait ... how many hours?

      I put up with a lot for that kind of convenience Well I hope that you didn't mean to type '10-15 hours' for a 500mb and are calling that convenient; this doesn't fit my definition. But due to your typo I can't be sure what you meant.
    2. Re:A report ... based on last year's offering. by getnate · · Score: 1

      500MB is not enough data for decent quality HD but for DVD, yes. HD 720p quality @1hr would require ~2GB minumum for decent quality.

    3. Re:A report ... based on last year's offering. by 7grain · · Score: 1

      Yes, 10-15 hours, that's what I meant to type. Maybe 6-8 hours on the best weeks. The downloads are slow. And now that I read what I wrote (and what you wrote), I agree, you're right. That doesn't sound terribly convenient. I suppose I was just happy with the tradeoff. I'd open the software on Tuesday morning, request the show, and then watch it that evening when my day was complete, or any time in the coming 7 days that my wife and I could sit down together to enjoy it. I much prefer that to being forced to watch it when NBC wants me to, with 15+ minutes of commericals added in. Where I live, it airs during the hour when we're helping kids with homework and getting them to bed, and we don't have a DVR or a VCR. So NBC's online service was perfect for us.

      There was a streaming version in super-lo-def, too. It looked like ass. TFA said something about a P2P model for distributing the shows more quickly. That would be great, I suppose, but it's important to point out that the way it worked last year, you can't watch the show online on the day that it airs, period. It comes available for lo-def streaming or high(er)-def download the next day. I'm sure that's because of their deals with TV advertisers. If you're a "gotta have it now" kinda guy, then this online service (as it existed last year) isn't a good option for you.

      Anyway, last comment... and again I'm coming from a mid-30's-and-married-and-kids perspective. It's not perfect, but it's a huge step forward from what the TV networks have offered in the past. NBC seems to be the only major network that's taking online broadcasting seriously. I'd prefer a player without DRM restrictions, and instant viewing options. But until FIOS-level service is available everywhere in my broadband-starved country (USA), I'm pretty happy with what they're doing now. And I'm pleased that they're continuing it for a second year and even expanding it to include new shows ("The Office" wasn't available last year), instead of just abandoning it. Go NBC, you rock!

      Best to you.

  40. Late in the game, aren't they? by hal2814 · · Score: 1

    Don't at least ABC and Fox already do this? I distinctly remember watching Andy Barker this way and I'm pretty sure it's also how I watched the Lost finale. Frankly, both of those systems suck hard. Lost kept skipping and the quality of Andy Barker was dismal. And I thought that NBC offered online viewing of select shows anyways? Or was that just recaps?

  41. Time Apple says FU and lets slip the dogs of war!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's time that Apple remember their original iTunes marketing campaign: "Rip. Mix. Burn." Let Apple TV, iTunes and the iPod manage video with as few restrictions as possible.

    If Apple were to unleash the devices in their arsenal and give maximum freedom to their customers to do what they want with their media then the various studios will be begging Apple for re-listing on the iTunes Store.

  42. Watching TV online by Nightjed · · Score: 1

    i dont think i'd even consider downloading anything with drm, but i have to say its nice to be able to watch the new heroes chapters online though the nbc site when i get a free hour in college, now if fox would just follow their example ...

    1. Re:Watching TV online by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      The problem is, you have to watch it within a week of it being aired, according to another post in this thread. That doesn't really sound like giving me the content WHEN I want it. Sounds like I have to jump online sometime within the week of initial airing. That way, NBC gets all their pretty little advertising dollars. Lame.

  43. *Free* download is misleading by deryckh · · Score: 1

    It's not a free download. As others have pointed out here, the file can only be played on Windows with a proprietary player, and the file expires after seven days. This is so lame. I wouldn't mind it so much except that NBC is trying to milk this for the we-care-about-users-and-are-providing-them-with-choices angle. This is not free, and no better a choice. Anyone who really cares about TV probably has a DVR anyway. And really, there is nothing new here. NBC has been doing limited downloads and streaming for at least all of last season. Please NBC (not the you read /.) get a clue!

  44. Now playing: battle of the loose verticals by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In this corner you have: Disney/Pixar/ABC + Apple + Google

    And in that corner you have: GE/Universal/NBC + Microsoft

    The industry has learned from AOL/Time Warner. Why buy each other when you can get the same advantages from partnerships and board placements?

    What are we thinking the odds are that the new NBC pay-for-download service will be based on Microsoft's DRM? Anyone?

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  45. Commercials by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What NBC and its advertisers fail to grasp is that if they made good commercials, and not boring preachy drivel, people would actually *want* to watch them -- and then they wouldn't need to charge money or add DRM. After all, look at how many people watch cool commercials for free when they get posted to YouTube and similar sites.

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  46. Gloating gone too far. by trudyscousin · · Score: 1

    "But NBC intends to transform the service into a model similar to iTunes by the middle of 2008 -- that is, consumers will pay NBC directly to download episodes of the shows. "We did this to eliminate the middleman," said Jeff Gaspin, the president of NBC's digital division."

    What this sanctimonious prick would never admit is that he and his ilk are the middlemen. If Apple accomplished anything, it concealed them behind the façade of iTMS' superior user experience, one that will outlast and outperform anything these morons devise.

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  47. What a coincidence! by dontspitconfetti · · Score: 4, Funny

    breaking up with Apple over iTunes pricing schemes Wow, that's the exact same reason I broke up with my girlfriend!
  48. No thanks to your DRM'ed crap... by AndyCR · · Score: 1

    Bittorrent and streaming sites work perfectly fine for me.

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  49. Mo Money by Perp+Atuitie · · Score: 1

    So the plan is, you pay NBC for the download, still have to watch the commercials, presumably can't burn a DVD so you don't have to sit at your computer, are still paying the cable bill to get NBC in the first place, and are paying the internet bill to get the download. Plus you can only avail yourself of this high privilege if you use windows. Do I look like the tooth fairy, NBC? Thank gods for VCRs.

  50. Whenever/Wherever? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    With the creation of this new service, we are acknowledging that now, more than ever, viewers want to be in control of how, when and where they consume their favorite entertainment,"

    I can't play it on a mac at home.

    I can't put these videos on an iPod to go.

    I can't watch the videos after seven days.

    How dare they proclaim the service is about allowing the viewer to watch wherever and whenever I like!

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  51. Redo that math by professorguy · · Score: 1

    Yeah, sure 22 minute episode is padded with 8 mintues of commercials THE FIRST TIME THE SHOW IS AIRED. After that one-time event, the show is cut to 18 minutes with 12 minutes of commercials. This is much more typical since the show debuts once, but may run hundreds of times in the hit-you-over-the-head mode. TiVo rules. And you do not have to 'fast-forward' the commercials. I use the instant 30-second skip (and it really is instant, i.e., 1/30 of a second). ------- Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select. Now your skip-to-end button is a 30-second-skip button.

    1. Re:Redo that math by sYkSh0n3 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but the shows i'm looking at are longer than that.

      This is just the shows i can check the time on right now

      Episodes 14, 15, and 16 of American Dad: 21:10 with no closing credits
      Season 6 episode 6 of scrubs: 22:58
      Robot Chicken Star wars Special: 22:49

      Generally the shows i watch average about 22 minutes. I've never watched a show that was only 18 minutes. (well ATHF is less than that i think, but it's only in a 15 minute time slot)

      Now the first episode of Heroes doesn't use the 75% rule, but it was ran with "limited commercial interruption" but the episodes after that seem to be about 45 min each.

    2. Re:Redo that math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Generally the shows i watch average about 22 minutes. I've never watched a show that was only 18 minutes.


      They were talking about the *reruns* of the shows, i.e. in syndication (though sometimes even the network reruns have been hacked, specifically proven for Voyager and Enterprise reruns way back when). That's why I essentially(*) never watch syndicated reruns.

      (*) If there's *one* specific episode of a show I need to catch, maybe I'll Tivo the syndicated rerun and deal with it being hacked up.
  52. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Opportunity cost. If I can spend 10 mins longer at work and watch my favorite TV show in 10 mins less time, which is better from an economic and user experience point of view? Ads are horribly annoying and disrupt the whole mood, so I know which I'd pick.

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  53. I think he was referencing "morals". Silly fool. by tacroy · · Score: 1

    nt

  54. Re:I think he was referencing "morals". Silly fool by Hatta · · Score: 1

    Torrents don't conflict with any of my morals, so what's the problem?

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  55. Forbes: Apple TV == iFlop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last week Forbes declared Apple TV to be the 'iFlop'.
    Sorry, but NBC and the like really don't give a damn about catering to the Jobs worshippers that buy whatever he tells them to and bought into Apple TV hype and bought that piece of turd.

  56. They were already offering this. by mattcoz · · Score: 1

    I watched Heroes episodes by downloading them for free from NBC's "VIP Access" service that was available to anyone with Intel based PCs. So it sounds like they're just opening it up to everyone now, with the possibility of moving it to a pay service later on. They say you can't skip the commercials, but that's only within their player. If you open up the actual file that is downloaded, you can play it however you want.

  57. I predicted this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the day they announced pulling from iTunes...

  58. If only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, if only NBC would release some quality shows ... I might care.

  59. Iphone - doubtful they will support it. by bonez_net11 · · Score: 1

    If it doesn't play on my iPhone I will just DVR it, use TiVoToGo transfer and reencode. I would rather pay the $1.99 at iTunes for episodes than go through all of this trouble.
    I don't want another online account.
    I don't want yet another line on my checking account statement to keep track of.
    I don't want to hassle with another piece of (shit) software or whatnot.
    Screw this.
    I'll use my DVR. Other people will just get from IRC or Torrents. Good Goin'. You suck once again at television.

  60. Repeat after me ... by Augusto · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has *NO* stake in NBC. You are probably thinking of MSNBC, which MS has little to no stake anymore.

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  61. A dollar an episode equals four dollar an hour by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 1

    That is, you are gettin paid approximately four dollar an hour for watching advertising.

    Personally, I can find other jobs that both pay better and are more interesting than watching advertising.

  62. Why not sell on all three services. by shelterpaw · · Score: 1

    They could take advantage of Amazon, iTunes and NBC site. Then viewers will have a choice. Go to Amazon or iTunes and pay for it without commercials or download it free from NBC. That really starts to give the consumer options.

  63. I'm not trying to defend NBC...your math is bad. by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1

    You do realize that the standard price for TV shows on iTunes is $2 per episode, don't you?

    I'm not seeing where this "net loss" comes into play - assuming someone were to buy all three episodes on iTunes, they would actually spend an extra dollar.

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  64. Re:I'm not trying to defend NBC...your math is bad by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    You do realize that the standard price for TV shows on iTunes is $2 per episode, don't you?

    I'm not seeing where this "net loss" comes into play - assuming someone were to buy all three episodes on iTunes, they would actually spend an extra dollar. NBC wanted to reprice things. 2.99 for new and 99 for old, instead of 1.99 for all. PLus they wanted to force bundle pricing at the wholesale level so Apple was screwed if they unbundled things. And if they kept the buble together it was 4.99 and added complexity for the sale (3 downloads and 3 consumer shopping items). NBC was trying to say they were not going to charge 4.99 for a new release. In fact they were effectively doing that for anyone who did not really want the old shows. NBC might even claim they were selling things cheaper for those folks that actually wanted the three shows.
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  65. Re:I'm not trying to defend NBC...your math is bad by Gothic_Walrus · · Score: 1

    Ohhh...when I read that, I didn't realize you were using the new prices instead of the old ones. My apologies. :)

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  66. Is Windows dominant in entertainment? by or-switch · · Score: 1
    It keeps happening that vendors roll out Windows Only services (like Netflix's option to view some movies directly). Obviosully we all know that Windows OS has the dominant market share, but has anyone broken this out by home vs. buisness, or are the stats aggregated?

    For example: My group at work has 10 windows licenses for office desktops and laptops. However, 8 of us have Macs at home, and the other two don't have computers at home. We can't use our office computers to watch TV, but we could use our Macs. Expanding, globally my company must have 100,000 or more Windows OS licenses, but not a one of them is for entertainment purposes. I know I haven't included Linux here but nobody I work with uses it at home, but again, that's probably also a signficiant entertainment market share.

    In general, Mac users are more entertainment focussed (lots of exceptions on both sides, I know) so I'm wondering if excluding them from something like this actually cuts off a larger share of the downloading market, both in terms of numbers of users and amount of downloading each user does, than apparent when one looks at what percentage of all computers using one OS vs. another.

  67. Shows Only Available for a Week by PaulMorel · · Score: 1

    You said that the videos would come out a week after airing. It's actually worse than that: "The programs, including 'Heroes' and 'The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,' will be offered for a week immediately after their initial broadcasts"

    So they will only be available for a week, AND you will have to pay for them. Sounds convenient, until you use your brain.

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  68. Bwahahaha by PaulMorel · · Score: 1

    "Right, because online payment systems are magical. Only the top wizards understand the spells that make them work"

    Bwahahhaha. Funny +1

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  69. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opportunity cost. If I can spend 10 mins longer at work and watch my favorite TV show in 10 mins less time, which is better from an economic and user experience point of view? During the commmercials, do some freakin' push-ups and abdominal crunches for chrissakes. Read your Wall Street Journal. Check your email. Shit, some people are very unimaginative about what to do with their time.
  70. Re:I'm really happy to hear this by the_fat_kid · · Score: 1

    the first one is allways free.

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  71. the site. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i found the site. it's right here

  72. How pointless by Archaneus · · Score: 1

    The thing that I find interesting about all this selling of TV Shows crap is how pointless it all is. I mean, I support my favorite shows by buying their releases on DVD but I don't feel a need to buy them because TV is free to watch and record. With the exception of a few rare events(NFL games and a few others) all television can be recorded and distributed as desired as long as profit is not being made. The Supreme Court legally upheld this position when the MPAA tried to fight it in recent years. They are effectively trying to roll back time to before VCRs were invented. I have heard many people say that they will just watch illegally recorded TV shows that they download. Well, according to national law, it's not illegal. Go look up the laws for yourself and you'll see that the MPAA and similiar abusers of law are trying to create a campaign of fear against people on false legal grounds.

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  73. Investigation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are some interesting files in %USERPROFILE%\Local Settings\Application Data\Entriq\MS. http://codebase.entriq.net/authdomains.xml appears to be a remotely-access file that can allow the download manager to access content on a domain. I haven't been able to track down where the files are downloaded to, as the download manager doesn't actually put them where it says it will (My Documents\My Videos for me). A simple system-wide search yields nothing, even with all files (including system files) shown.

    I vote bogus malware until the files are put where the program says they will be put. Additionally, the damned thing takes up 18 MB of RAM even when idle. This is completely unnecessary. NBC could do all this through a real web-based interface (instead of a VB program with an IE control in it, and the control accesses a poorly layed-out and non-WAI504 compliant site) and allow users to download using their choice of browser, even if the file is encrypted to all hell with some kind of proprietary DRM (that will, of course, be cracked in a matter of hours).

    On top of that, the content is 566x420, i.e. about 480i/p but 4:3. Where's my widescreen?

    I was willing to pay $2 for a commercial-free, HD presentation of my favorite shows. Now that I can get them for free through this, but with all these terrible restrictions and inefficiencies, I feel compelled to return to Pirate Bay and the like, or just wait until the DVDs (or HD-DVD or Blu-ray) come out and rent them from Netflix and rip them. I want no commercials. I want to be able to play the file wherever, whenever, and on whatever OS I want to.

  74. Re:I'm not trying to defend NBC...your math is bad by aliquis · · Score: 1

    lol, they must be really retarded then, because I wouldn't even pay 2 dollar for an episode of a tv-serie, thought it's close to what I probably could have paid if I missed one and really needed to see it. 5 dollar are retarded, you get a whole movie for that and it's not worth to pay that just to get rid of commercials.

    Why shouldn't people just buy a tvcard and record all the series and watch them when they want to instead?

    How many episodes are Prison Break? (Of of the series which might be worth having.), 20? 40 dollar probably buys you the whole box with extra content. 100 dollar is so stupid that I can't even makeup something to compare it with!

  75. Re:I suspect it'll only apply to US and maybe euro by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

    Or an easier way is to download it from piratebay or mininova. I understand the desire to do things in a legitimate manner, but sometimes the rules are simply too restrictive.