Probably not until they expire and are naturally replaced. I don't expect banks - especially smaller banks - to just dump cards; they'll just update them as part of their renewal cycle.
The US went chip & signature instead of chip & PIN, so the entire change is basically meaningless.
The US chips will be cracked in a matter of a months, maybe a more, and we gain almost nothing.
The chip & PIN system uses PKI and only communicates with the payment transaction system when the authorized user provides the PIN. Sure, you could have a rogue retailer push transactions in excess of what the buyer thought he was paying, but that will be caught and prosecuted swiftly.
The US system has no real authentication of the card user since (a) no one checks the signature to begin with, (b) most users leave an unintelligible scrawl, and (c) no retailer has a full-time handwriting expert on staff.
We finally had a good push to revamp the payment card infrastructure, and they totally blew it.
Not only that, if I put my card in the chip reader rather than just swiping it, seems to take 10 seconds longer. Or twenty seconds, or thirty....
I think in many cases convenience will trump security.
Problem is that the readers which support the chip will also detect that the card has a chip and force it to use the chip. Ran into that already; the mag stripe won't work with them - it's chip only. Or at least, retailers can configure it that way, which I'm pretty sure they'd be required to do under the mentioned requirements by MC/Visa/AMEX
Like who? MIT Is the only school i see that still has a class A
My alma matter in western Michigan had/has a Class A or B (I forget which). Somewhere around 2003-2005 they were told use 'em or lose 'em. So they did - all students (~4500) and staff then got a direct public IP address for their systems connected to the campus network instead of the previous 10.x addresses that were used. It still didn't use the entire range, but the were using it.
Such as? Please show a link to a bug that was reported 30 years ago and not fixed.
There have been a number of good examples in Windows; for instance there has been a WMF bug for years, fixed in pretty much every version of Windows only to come back again. There's also equivalents of Bash ShellShock, and others. And really, if you want a link just search the/. archives as they've been mentioned in the last year or two as well.
Yes, most times it doesn't make sense any more to make PCBs in house.
Two exceptions : very fast manufacturing is needed, or for hobby use.
But even for hobby, it's better to wait 5-30 days and pay the few euros for the boards.
So I'm just starting to get into doing some boards, and I'll certainly be doing the initial stages myself until I get the circuits/etc right - then, and only then, would I consider sending it off to someone else to be made.
And yes, I've computer designed a few before; still getting the hang of it all so I don't trust the design will be quite right yet either. But as I said, I'm just getting into it. Someone that has more experience and trusts their computer designed boards probably wouldn't have that issue.
(Thus far, I've designed several cables on my own, and a couple boards with some help.)
All said, for hobbyists...it'd probably be 50/50 overall. If you have time but not budget, it may still be better to just do your own boards. A fab house really only helps if you have a sufficient budget to pay someone else to make the boards for you. If you don't, and time is not a big consideration, then making them slowly on your own will certainly be the right thing to do.
I knew that lesincompetent (2836253) was mistaken when he wrote that.
Taking the moral high ground is great, but only when it conforms to reality. Otherwise, it's just B.S. posturing.
True. And reality is that once the data is out there, then there is no real way to pull it out. People will have it in off-line archives, etc; and once it leaves national boundaries then all bets are really off.
For instance, a country/company could just put something to try to get all the information and then watch for the notices. When a notice comes, they archive it instead of deleting it and if the person is of enough influence to someone (them or a client) they could sell the data out for blackmail. So now, the French and anyone else pushing the "right to be forgotten" have just created a real nice and easy way to blackmail their citizens.
And if it hasn't been done yet, it probably will be done so long as a "right to be forgotten" is being pushed.
Yeah, this. Only thing I don't like is you have to take an extra step and install a driver for the crappy broadcom wifi it has, but otherwise macbook pros, especially the retina versions, really rock and run linux like a champ.
My MacBook Pro Retina does okay. They keyboard drives me nuts so I've always got another keyboard attached; and the wifi on it has some issues - like killing the VPN connection after several hours of use and not allowing me to maintain a connection thereafter unless I enable/disable the wifi (just figured that one out). But overall, it's okay. I'd still prefer something non-Apple though.
And at the same time think it will still perform like a Corvette.
Yep, typical DOD contract - instead of asking for the moon, they ask for the galaxy; then let the contractor try to build it, and eventually settle for Jupiter.
Well it's not like gallons burned and miles traveled are unrelated concepts. A TDI Passat gets 25% better mileage than a 4 cylinder Passat. It evidently also pollutes more, although I'm not sure if it pollutes 25% more.
Gallons burned actually has little to with miles travelled. If you sit at idle for 1 hour and creep 1 mile you will burn more fuel than if you drove that same mile at 100 MPH/160 KPH. So making the test based on the efficiency of burning a gallon of fuel actually makes a lot more sense than making it based on how far you've travelled.
...just like with the minimum wage debate, UBI fails to account for how it affects inflation. It won't raise anyone out of poverty simply because it will change where the poverty line is with a direct correlation to the amount paid out via UBI; changes in UBI would have a lagging effect just like changes in minimum wage do.
Ask new high school grads how easy it is to "get a job". It's possible, but it can take months, and the job you get won't be great and won't pay much. I've also known very intelligent and capable people who were long term unemployed. They aren't anymore, but a year or two out of work completely discounts any "get a job" nonsense. There aren't always jobs for everyone who wants one to get.
If you can't get someone else to hire you for an existing job (e.g flipping burgers) then create your own job (e.g start a lawn care service).
Part of the rational of "Get a job" is also "make yourself a job if you have to; just work dammit".
We knew the Germans were working on an Atomic Weapon, and they were - all the facts support that. They just were not as far along as we thought they were.
FWIW, even Japan was also working a nuclear weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program).
All-in-all, you don't ignore the potential dangers, you have to act on intelligence based on what you know at that time and its potential implications, not what you might be able to deduce in hindsight. Even with Iraq - that is one of the biggest mistakes now, people look back in hindsight and say "you should have known" when Saddam did a great job of bluffing and doing exactly what Iran is attempting now.
Seriously:
1. Recess helps as it lets the brain absorb some of what is learned; it also lets the kids get rid of any energy so they can actually pay attention to what is being taught (and do so without drugs!)
2. Lunch helps because they need energy to learn, etc - e.g not falling asleep in class - and live.
3. Teachers help because someone actually needs to teach something.
Too many tests (ala No Child Left Behind) don't help because then you're not testing the students, you're testing the test, and hoping there's some time left for students to learn something in between the tests.
It's also been shown that:
A. Use of computers for note taking reduces learning when compared to hand-written notes as students tend to try to record verbatim what is being said instead of actually thinking about it and writing something meaningful down that summarizes what is said in a manner the student understands, which can then be verified to be correct (if necessary).
B. Use of computers tends to be a distraction since computer users will mostly likely get board and bring up Solitaire/NetFlix/YouTube/etc instead of actually participating in the educational process.
And yes, as my wife and I look for schools for our kids - even as a programmer - we are looking for one that uses technology to a minimum:
i. teaches kids how to type at an appropriate age
ii. teaches kids how to use technology as a tool for their other work, not relying on it for the work
IOW, no "do all your homework/tests/note-taking on the computer", use of a computer is restricted to the computer lab for use during the classes that use the lab, and students do not have computers readily available to them at all times; math class is taught without a calculator and then a calculator is introduced to make things faster, only after they know how to do the work without it.
I have 5 Mbps and it's fine for everything I do. I'm watching the MLB.TV stream in HD as I type this.
Agreed. We typically do web and 2 Netflix streams, and may YouTube on top of that. Haven't had any issues with the 5-8Mbps connections we've had the last couple years, and I don't really feel like raising my costs for something of negligible benefits.
And yes, when broadband (cable/dsl) internet come out I was willing to get it and go to higher tiers of services because I used it - ISO downloads, etc - but as the tiers have gotten faster, our usage hasn't really changed. Yes, I still do ISO downloads, and all of that and we've added YouTube/NetFlix, but it's still basically the same. So now I go to the mid-grade which is about the same price as the top grade when it first came out ($40-$60/month). Eventually we'll probably drop to the lower tiers as the speeds increase.
And yes, we use WiFI and gigabit ethernet in the house - both of which are faster than our Internet connection.
Speaking hypothetically; how many here believe that the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service would have taken a similar action if a Russian company with ties to the Russian oligarchs did the same thing that Google is accused of? Anyone?
Once you realize how corrupt Russia is, then the answer is obvious: Yes, they would if someone paid off the right people, which is probably what happened here - that and Putin's current NIHIR (Not-Invented-Here-In-Russia) policies...
True, but what's there is not presently officially there. The manufacturers will use the data but they won't release it; and they have typically actively denied its existence.
Yeah, NHTSA is done taking that kind of guff. They're planning to double (or maybe triple) their staff shortly. The automakers are going to find it harder and harder to hide things, and NHTSA is going to get more and more involved in their code audits and whatnot.
They presently don't want to release the unofficial black boxes claiming all kinds of things - including that the information in there (if there is one) is only for their internal use to help make things safer; further, they fight it (and deny the existence) because they don't want the liability that could come with it since the data could potentially show that it was their fault.
So if forced to have one (which will probably happen) I'd image that manufacturers will probably end up with two - one official one (set) that complies with NHTSA and one (set) that records whatever they're interested in, which may include a lot of information that is not recorded by the official one. However, I'd expect they would continue to fight having one installed as its in their interest to limit their liability - I would also expect them to lose that fight based on governmental interests in public safe, though they might be able to have a partial win by keeping the data from public record and having it marked as "trade secret", all the while making it look they are capitulating to the NHTSA and other interested agencies in doing so.
At the very least, the autonomus driver should get the car to a safe stop before requiring a human to take over.
Depending on the emergency that may not be possible to do. Rather, if you're going to go that route it should be interactive with the driver to safely transfer control and all the while continuing to attempt the safest maneuvers it can.
>>Expecting a driver to take control in a failure scenario is not a solution.
Why not, that is the design philosophy for airliners made in the past 30 years and their pilots who operate them. Sit and babysit the machine for 99.99% of the time; then jump in ready to go for the 0.01% of the time the situation is beyond the programming of the software. (In which case the software 1) does wrong thing. 2) just shuts-down while displaying a message to the pilots to let them know that, suddenly, THEY are flying the plane.)
Problem is that for the Airbus planes where that is what is typical, the pilot also has to convince the computer to give them control by entering various codes into the computer to relinquish control back to the pilot as the committee that designed it trusts the computer over the pilot.
That's not to say it doesn't happen too on Boeing aircraft where the pilot has the first right to control (even in fly-by-wire systems); but it's much easier for the pilot to take over to resolve the emergency.
(No, I'm not ignoring the rest of the aircraft manufacturers - they all model either Airbus or Boeing or fall somewhere in between - but the difference is most acute in Airbus and Boeing, and both are the two largest aircraft manufacturers as well.)
Basically every car since 2010 stores at least 30 seconds of logging data before (and if possible after) any collision which triggers the airbag. That includes the complete engine state and all the inputs like accelerator position and brake light switch status. What they're talking about now is just standardizing what is already there.
True, but what's there is not presently officially there. The manufacturers will use the data but they won't release it; and they have typically actively denied its existence. So TFA is also about making sure one is there for actual investigative uses with capabilities.
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Implicit collusion. They're likely all cheating, on something. So if they report VW, VW reports w/e they're cheating on. So no one tattles.
Exactly. Mod parent up.
the rest will probably be coming soon
the changeover is industry wide
Probably not until they expire and are naturally replaced. I don't expect banks - especially smaller banks - to just dump cards; they'll just update them as part of their renewal cycle.
his bank has already sent him a new card with a chip in july, august, or september
Of my 5 cards (2 business, 3 personal), only 2 (1 business, 1 personal) have chips in them. one is chip+pin, and the other is chip+signature.
The US went chip & signature instead of chip & PIN, so the entire change is basically meaningless.
The US chips will be cracked in a matter of a months, maybe a more, and we gain almost nothing.
The chip & PIN system uses PKI and only communicates with the payment transaction system when the authorized user provides the PIN. Sure, you could have a rogue retailer push transactions in excess of what the buyer thought he was paying, but that will be caught and prosecuted swiftly.
The US system has no real authentication of the card user since (a) no one checks the signature to begin with, (b) most users leave an unintelligible scrawl, and (c) no retailer has a full-time handwriting expert on staff.
We finally had a good push to revamp the payment card infrastructure, and they totally blew it.
Not only that, if I put my card in the chip reader rather than just swiping it, seems to take 10 seconds longer. Or twenty seconds, or thirty.... I think in many cases convenience will trump security.
Problem is that the readers which support the chip will also detect that the card has a chip and force it to use the chip. Ran into that already; the mag stripe won't work with them - it's chip only. Or at least, retailers can configure it that way, which I'm pretty sure they'd be required to do under the mentioned requirements by MC/Visa/AMEX
Like who? MIT Is the only school i see that still has a class A
My alma matter in western Michigan had/has a Class A or B (I forget which). Somewhere around 2003-2005 they were told use 'em or lose 'em. So they did - all students (~4500) and staff then got a direct public IP address for their systems connected to the campus network instead of the previous 10.x addresses that were used. It still didn't use the entire range, but the were using it.
Such as? Please show a link to a bug that was reported 30 years ago and not fixed.
There have been a number of good examples in Windows; for instance there has been a WMF bug for years, fixed in pretty much every version of Windows only to come back again. There's also equivalents of Bash ShellShock, and others. And really, if you want a link just search the /. archives as they've been mentioned in the last year or two as well.
Yes, most times it doesn't make sense any more to make PCBs in house. Two exceptions : very fast manufacturing is needed, or for hobby use. But even for hobby, it's better to wait 5-30 days and pay the few euros for the boards.
So I'm just starting to get into doing some boards, and I'll certainly be doing the initial stages myself until I get the circuits/etc right - then, and only then, would I consider sending it off to someone else to be made.
And yes, I've computer designed a few before; still getting the hang of it all so I don't trust the design will be quite right yet either. But as I said, I'm just getting into it. Someone that has more experience and trusts their computer designed boards probably wouldn't have that issue.
(Thus far, I've designed several cables on my own, and a couple boards with some help.)
All said, for hobbyists...it'd probably be 50/50 overall. If you have time but not budget, it may still be better to just do your own boards. A fab house really only helps if you have a sufficient budget to pay someone else to make the boards for you. If you don't, and time is not a big consideration, then making them slowly on your own will certainly be the right thing to do.
I knew that lesincompetent (2836253) was mistaken when he wrote that.
Taking the moral high ground is great, but only when it conforms to reality. Otherwise, it's just B.S. posturing.
True. And reality is that once the data is out there, then there is no real way to pull it out. People will have it in off-line archives, etc; and once it leaves national boundaries then all bets are really off.
For instance, a country/company could just put something to try to get all the information and then watch for the notices. When a notice comes, they archive it instead of deleting it and if the person is of enough influence to someone (them or a client) they could sell the data out for blackmail. So now, the French and anyone else pushing the "right to be forgotten" have just created a real nice and easy way to blackmail their citizens.
And if it hasn't been done yet, it probably will be done so long as a "right to be forgotten" is being pushed.
Yeah, this. Only thing I don't like is you have to take an extra step and install a driver for the crappy broadcom wifi it has, but otherwise macbook pros, especially the retina versions, really rock and run linux like a champ.
My MacBook Pro Retina does okay. They keyboard drives me nuts so I've always got another keyboard attached; and the wifi on it has some issues - like killing the VPN connection after several hours of use and not allowing me to maintain a connection thereafter unless I enable/disable the wifi (just figured that one out). But overall, it's okay. I'd still prefer something non-Apple though.
And at the same time think it will still perform like a Corvette.
Yep, typical DOD contract - instead of asking for the moon, they ask for the galaxy; then let the contractor try to build it, and eventually settle for Jupiter.
Genuinely curious, do you have a citation for the failure to meet standards rate for EU member-nations?
Is tap water drinkable (potable) in Europe? Not the last I checked.
Well it's not like gallons burned and miles traveled are unrelated concepts. A TDI Passat gets 25% better mileage than a 4 cylinder Passat. It evidently also pollutes more, although I'm not sure if it pollutes 25% more.
Gallons burned actually has little to with miles travelled. If you sit at idle for 1 hour and creep 1 mile you will burn more fuel than if you drove that same mile at 100 MPH/160 KPH. So making the test based on the efficiency of burning a gallon of fuel actually makes a lot more sense than making it based on how far you've travelled.
...just like with the minimum wage debate, UBI fails to account for how it affects inflation. It won't raise anyone out of poverty simply because it will change where the poverty line is with a direct correlation to the amount paid out via UBI; changes in UBI would have a lagging effect just like changes in minimum wage do.
Ask new high school grads how easy it is to "get a job". It's possible, but it can take months, and the job you get won't be great and won't pay much. I've also known very intelligent and capable people who were long term unemployed. They aren't anymore, but a year or two out of work completely discounts any "get a job" nonsense. There aren't always jobs for everyone who wants one to get.
If you can't get someone else to hire you for an existing job (e.g flipping burgers) then create your own job (e.g start a lawn care service).
Part of the rational of "Get a job" is also "make yourself a job if you have to; just work dammit".
Yes, maybe some alternative like, I don't know, a universal basic income...
UBI is just another form of welfare, one of the many that would fit the quote from Benjamin Franklin.
Exactly.
We knew the Germans were working on an Atomic Weapon, and they were - all the facts support that. They just were not as far along as we thought they were.
FWIW, even Japan was also working a nuclear weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program).
All-in-all, you don't ignore the potential dangers, you have to act on intelligence based on what you know at that time and its potential implications, not what you might be able to deduce in hindsight. Even with Iraq - that is one of the biggest mistakes now, people look back in hindsight and say "you should have known" when Saddam did a great job of bluffing and doing exactly what Iran is attempting now.
Mod parent up.
Seriously:
1. Recess helps as it lets the brain absorb some of what is learned; it also lets the kids get rid of any energy so they can actually pay attention to what is being taught (and do so without drugs!)
2. Lunch helps because they need energy to learn, etc - e.g not falling asleep in class - and live.
3. Teachers help because someone actually needs to teach something.
Too many tests (ala No Child Left Behind) don't help because then you're not testing the students, you're testing the test, and hoping there's some time left for students to learn something in between the tests.
It's also been shown that:
A. Use of computers for note taking reduces learning when compared to hand-written notes as students tend to try to record verbatim what is being said instead of actually thinking about it and writing something meaningful down that summarizes what is said in a manner the student understands, which can then be verified to be correct (if necessary). B. Use of computers tends to be a distraction since computer users will mostly likely get board and bring up Solitaire/NetFlix/YouTube/etc instead of actually participating in the educational process.
And yes, as my wife and I look for schools for our kids - even as a programmer - we are looking for one that uses technology to a minimum:
i. teaches kids how to type at an appropriate age
ii. teaches kids how to use technology as a tool for their other work, not relying on it for the work
IOW, no "do all your homework/tests/note-taking on the computer", use of a computer is restricted to the computer lab for use during the classes that use the lab, and students do not have computers readily available to them at all times; math class is taught without a calculator and then a calculator is introduced to make things faster, only after they know how to do the work without it.
I have 5 Mbps and it's fine for everything I do. I'm watching the MLB.TV stream in HD as I type this.
Agreed. We typically do web and 2 Netflix streams, and may YouTube on top of that. Haven't had any issues with the 5-8Mbps connections we've had the last couple years, and I don't really feel like raising my costs for something of negligible benefits.
And yes, when broadband (cable/dsl) internet come out I was willing to get it and go to higher tiers of services because I used it - ISO downloads, etc - but as the tiers have gotten faster, our usage hasn't really changed. Yes, I still do ISO downloads, and all of that and we've added YouTube/NetFlix, but it's still basically the same. So now I go to the mid-grade which is about the same price as the top grade when it first came out ($40-$60/month). Eventually we'll probably drop to the lower tiers as the speeds increase.
And yes, we use WiFI and gigabit ethernet in the house - both of which are faster than our Internet connection.
Once you realize how corrupt Russia is
you realize that humans are pretty much the same wherever you go
Yes, but some countries make it easier than others.
Speaking hypothetically; how many here believe that the Russian Federal Antimonopoly Service would have taken a similar action if a Russian company with ties to the Russian oligarchs did the same thing that Google is accused of? Anyone?
Once you realize how corrupt Russia is, then the answer is obvious: Yes, they would if someone paid off the right people, which is probably what happened here - that and Putin's current NIHIR (Not-Invented-Here-In-Russia) policies...
...who the owner of "Yandex" is closely affiliated with, and the first two don't count.
Yahoo! RU
Microsoft
Microsoft RU
True, but what's there is not presently officially there. The manufacturers will use the data but they won't release it; and they have typically actively denied its existence.
Yeah, NHTSA is done taking that kind of guff. They're planning to double (or maybe triple) their staff shortly. The automakers are going to find it harder and harder to hide things, and NHTSA is going to get more and more involved in their code audits and whatnot.
They presently don't want to release the unofficial black boxes claiming all kinds of things - including that the information in there (if there is one) is only for their internal use to help make things safer; further, they fight it (and deny the existence) because they don't want the liability that could come with it since the data could potentially show that it was their fault.
So if forced to have one (which will probably happen) I'd image that manufacturers will probably end up with two - one official one (set) that complies with NHTSA and one (set) that records whatever they're interested in, which may include a lot of information that is not recorded by the official one. However, I'd expect they would continue to fight having one installed as its in their interest to limit their liability - I would also expect them to lose that fight based on governmental interests in public safe, though they might be able to have a partial win by keeping the data from public record and having it marked as "trade secret", all the while making it look they are capitulating to the NHTSA and other interested agencies in doing so.
At the very least, the autonomus driver should get the car to a safe stop before requiring a human to take over.
Depending on the emergency that may not be possible to do. Rather, if you're going to go that route it should be interactive with the driver to safely transfer control and all the while continuing to attempt the safest maneuvers it can.
>>Expecting a driver to take control in a failure scenario is not a solution. Why not, that is the design philosophy for airliners made in the past 30 years and their pilots who operate them. Sit and babysit the machine for 99.99% of the time; then jump in ready to go for the 0.01% of the time the situation is beyond the programming of the software. (In which case the software 1) does wrong thing. 2) just shuts-down while displaying a message to the pilots to let them know that, suddenly, THEY are flying the plane.)
Problem is that for the Airbus planes where that is what is typical, the pilot also has to convince the computer to give them control by entering various codes into the computer to relinquish control back to the pilot as the committee that designed it trusts the computer over the pilot.
That's not to say it doesn't happen too on Boeing aircraft where the pilot has the first right to control (even in fly-by-wire systems); but it's much easier for the pilot to take over to resolve the emergency.
(No, I'm not ignoring the rest of the aircraft manufacturers - they all model either Airbus or Boeing or fall somewhere in between - but the difference is most acute in Airbus and Boeing, and both are the two largest aircraft manufacturers as well.)
Basically every car since 2010 stores at least 30 seconds of logging data before (and if possible after) any collision which triggers the airbag. That includes the complete engine state and all the inputs like accelerator position and brake light switch status. What they're talking about now is just standardizing what is already there.
True, but what's there is not presently officially there. The manufacturers will use the data but they won't release it; and they have typically actively denied its existence. So TFA is also about making sure one is there for actual investigative uses with capabilities.