Ask them [members of the younger generation] HOW the things work, and they have no idea. They are really riding on the backs of the 'old folks' like us that built the goodies they enjoy.
Like the old saying goes... "If I've seen farther than others, it's because I've stood on the shoulders of giants."
Only because of a smaller user-base. It's easier to garner to your customers when you don't have many, not to mention you're more inclined to do so. In this case, good support in Linux is only good as long as not everyone is using it. So shhhhhh.... stop telling people to switch.
unless you happen to be engaged to the president of the nursing class. then 2 years later she rips your heart out for no good reason and makes you want to go on a killing spree blanketing hospitals with napalm...
why must my OS maker pick one format or the other... it's just going to be a drive that's going to play a file to my PC... instead of picking a recording medium shouldn't the maker of my OS simply provide a copy of Windows that has drivers for alot of various devices, the rest of which can be installed seperately based on what I plug in.
I don't understand where MS gets off (other than with their xbox) telling me what hardware i can plug into my PC.
because (and i may be going out on a limb here) we can presume that they conducted (at least one) study on the effectiveness of this technology by subjecting samples with known cancers to the test and recording the result.
I'm just curious... he says "some should cost $.99 and some should cost... MORE." What about charging less than a dollar for songs that suck more. The entire libary of music would drop in price like a stone. lol (maybe this isn't such a bad idea........)
Here's an idea... if the record companies would spend more time finding people with actual talent, who can actually sing, and actually sound good, then you could spend less money MAKING them sound good (ala 'production') and then the 99 cent price-level that we're all so happy with wouldn't sound so bad anymore.
If people are generally outraged about the price of the product (as evidenced by the rampant piracy to avoid paying the price) and you claim that you can't lower the price because it costs so much to make it... then LOWER THE PRICE. In this case lowering the cost of production would encourage better music. And I didn't even have to get a business degree...
exactly... without pluto all of our school children would come home spouting off phrases like "My very extroverted mom just sold us nine" and other such rediculousness. WE NEED THE 'PIZZAS'!
what's scary here is not that the don't understand computer terms (these are for communication between IT personel, not sales agents). The scary part is that in not understanding the difference between mega, kilo, giga, etc.
Maybe the problem isn't that computer jargon is too difficult... maybe the problem is that we're hiring people who aren't intelligent, don't have educations, or were allowed to get degrees despite a lack of proper instruction.
I'm going to patent that idea as the "American Public University System"
a company that is responsible to noone but it's shareholders is responsible for increasing their stock value. fucking your customer base is a bad way of doing this. thus they are accountable to their shareholders, and we (their customers) get to vote whether or not the shareholders are happy. It's a check and a balance! WOWOWOW lol
yes. you'll look cool lugging an xbox and tv set around an airport terminal, not to say anything about actually trying to aim in Halo at the same time.
These 'clickers' are being used in the classroom for the sole purpose of collecting attendance data. It's an overpriced peice of junk (overpriced at $4 with a $12 per semester fee to keep my name in the database in sync with my unique remote id). Was it REALLY so hard for professors to just have a sheet of paper and call out names?
And what happened to the good old days when class attendance was trivial, and if you didn't show up you just didn't pass the exam. Now they want you in class so bad, that you can FAIL the exam because you don't know your stuff, plus get another 10pts off because you didn't show up. Even worse, if you know the material forwards and backwards, you can walk away with a 90 just because you didn't show up, even making straight 100's across the board. Ridiculous.
You totally missed the point of my comment. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to affect change in a possitive way. I'm saying that change is a part of life. It's not something new we just discovered.
Every time you open a news paper these days "studies show that the planet is changing!!!" "photos show that mars is changing!!!"
It's not a matter of "should we" or "could we". My problem is with everyone being so damn confounded every time they realize that things don't always stay the same.
I most certainly don't value software based on what I pay for it. I'm fond of my firefox/thunderbird and I hold my miranda-im quite dear to me.;) Proud user of clam-av and blender. These are complete software packages that stand out in their field.
But in this case, what you're paying for is user experience. Both of these packages (OO.org and Office) will allow you to (in the case of word processing, my main use) type up a document, adjust the size of text, adjust colors, bold/italic/underline. Indentations, lists, bullets...etc.etc. These are all the essential functions and they're present in both. Let's also say that they're just as easy in both because obviously I didn't spend enough time (I agree, no sarcasm) to find out.
A couple of the things that I ran into:
1. Open Office takes roughly 25 seconds (and yes, this was the 2.0 beta) to start. I don't use the background process that lets it start quicker, and this is no-doubt the reason for the long delay. By the same token I don't use a quick-start process for MSOffice and can get to typing in less than 5 seconds.
2. The buttons are neither in the right place nor the right size. On windows we're accustomed to certain conventions and certain button sizes for certain things. These were simply not right and it was a constant source of confusion. There were many things that fall into the range of "just dosen't feel right".
3. The menu is a great example of things that just aren't "right". I spent the majority of my time trying to move the icons around on the menu-bar and was truly frustrated. Sometimes they would move, sometimes not. Sometimes they would go where I wanted, and sometimes not. It's flaky.
Now I'm not saying that OO.org is a bad thing, or a bad product. If I primarily ran linux I'd probably use it. I certainly am not devaluing the time spent by everyone who developed it.
But for me... I need a product on which time has been spent on user-interface, and not just the inner workings. I don't care whether it's got open file formats or not (honestly) but the fact that I don't feel comfortable using it (and I'm no stranger to learning new software) makes it un-useable for me.
I installed OOo a few days ago for the express purpose of never having to deal with office again. I REALLY REALLY wanted it to be good. Sadly, I uninstalled it less than 5 minutes later. It's come a long way, but side-by-side with Office... well you get what you pay for.
And to head all of the jokes about bugs that I'm paying for, I'm saying that Office is better.
I don't get this... climate change is a part of nature. The climate is ALWAYS changing. Why is it that every time we notice something changing we (as a species) always sit back and go "WTFOMGBBQ!!!!!!WOWOWOW!!!!!one1!!!!!"
Species change, people change, girlfriends/wives/husbands/boyfriends change, islands change, continents move, plants grow, animals die, and politicians are crooked. Get over it.
1. Logic is an important and often overlooked part of growing as a human being. It dosen't have to be programming logic, but it's not a bad thing to know.
2. Programming is a skill-set akin to knowing the scientific method. Once you understand 1 or 2 languages, you understand the process and it becomes easy to expand your ability in the field. We teach kids the basics of drawing, the basics of arithmatic, the basics of grammer, reading, the sciences, so why not logic/programming?
so what you're saying... is that all programs should be closed source, because then the majority of vulnerabilities would remain hidden while they are discovered and patched! It's perfect! MS has the right idea! (half kidding, half mocking the parent)
Unreliable data should not be relied on yes. In this case it's upload numbers provided by the user.
But one of the ideas behind bittorrent is that every user is able to download in proportion to what he/she is providing back to the swarm in the form of uploading to other users. Since there is no central upload server you simply cannot limit by the bandwidth cap because SOMEONE has to be upload the file to maximize the benifits of the system.
There is no snobbery and no punishment to latecommers. It's simply the rights involved with providing more to the system. If you give more, you recieve more. Thus everyone is willing to give in order to get their file faster. If you're not willing to give up your upstream then you don't deserve to have someone else's upstream.
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Ask them [members of the younger generation] HOW the things work, and they have no idea. They are really riding on the backs of the 'old folks' like us that built the goodies they enjoy. Like the old saying goes... "If I've seen farther than others, it's because I've stood on the shoulders of giants."
Only because of a smaller user-base. It's easier to garner to your customers when you don't have many, not to mention you're more inclined to do so. In this case, good support in Linux is only good as long as not everyone is using it. So shhhhhh.... stop telling people to switch.
unless you happen to be engaged to the president of the nursing class. then 2 years later she rips your heart out for no good reason and makes you want to go on a killing spree blanketing hospitals with napalm...
keep the price reasonable and i'll buy one
why must my OS maker pick one format or the other... it's just going to be a drive that's going to play a file to my PC... instead of picking a recording medium shouldn't the maker of my OS simply provide a copy of Windows that has drivers for alot of various devices, the rest of which can be installed seperately based on what I plug in.
I don't understand where MS gets off (other than with their xbox) telling me what hardware i can plug into my PC.
Look at his lack of funny bone.
because (and i may be going out on a limb here) we can presume that they conducted (at least one) study on the effectiveness of this technology by subjecting samples with known cancers to the test and recording the result.
I'm just curious... he says "some should cost $.99 and some should cost... MORE." What about charging less than a dollar for songs that suck more. The entire libary of music would drop in price like a stone. lol (maybe this isn't such a bad idea........)
Here's an idea... if the record companies would spend more time finding people with actual talent, who can actually sing, and actually sound good, then you could spend less money MAKING them sound good (ala 'production') and then the 99 cent price-level that we're all so happy with wouldn't sound so bad anymore.
If people are generally outraged about the price of the product (as evidenced by the rampant piracy to avoid paying the price) and you claim that you can't lower the price because it costs so much to make it... then LOWER THE PRICE. In this case lowering the cost of production would encourage better music. And I didn't even have to get a business degree...
the best golfer is black,
the tallest basket ball player is chinese,
The best rapper is white,
and Germany doesn't want to go to war...
apocalypse now...
does this remind anyone of this?
exactly... without pluto all of our school children would come home spouting off phrases like "My very extroverted mom just sold us nine" and other such rediculousness. WE NEED THE 'PIZZAS'!
In other news, the US announces to the world how they are going show them the U.S.ofA. way of doing things... which is, of course, the right way.
what's scary here is not that the don't understand computer terms (these are for communication between IT personel, not sales agents). The scary part is that in not understanding the difference between mega, kilo, giga, etc.
Maybe the problem isn't that computer jargon is too difficult... maybe the problem is that we're hiring people who aren't intelligent, don't have educations, or were allowed to get degrees despite a lack of proper instruction.
I'm going to patent that idea as the "American Public University System"
a company that is responsible to noone but it's shareholders is responsible for increasing their stock value. fucking your customer base is a bad way of doing this. thus they are accountable to their shareholders, and we (their customers) get to vote whether or not the shareholders are happy. It's a check and a balance! WOWOWOW lol
yes. you'll look cool lugging an xbox and tv set around an airport terminal, not to say anything about actually trying to aim in Halo at the same time.
These 'clickers' are being used in the classroom for the sole purpose of collecting attendance data. It's an overpriced peice of junk (overpriced at $4 with a $12 per semester fee to keep my name in the database in sync with my unique remote id). Was it REALLY so hard for professors to just have a sheet of paper and call out names?
And what happened to the good old days when class attendance was trivial, and if you didn't show up you just didn't pass the exam. Now they want you in class so bad, that you can FAIL the exam because you don't know your stuff, plus get another 10pts off because you didn't show up. Even worse, if you know the material forwards and backwards, you can walk away with a 90 just because you didn't show up, even making straight 100's across the board. Ridiculous.
You totally missed the point of my comment. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to affect change in a possitive way. I'm saying that change is a part of life. It's not something new we just discovered.
Every time you open a news paper these days "studies show that the planet is changing!!!" "photos show that mars is changing!!!"
It's not a matter of "should we" or "could we". My problem is with everyone being so damn confounded every time they realize that things don't always stay the same.
I most certainly don't value software based on what I pay for it. I'm fond of my firefox/thunderbird and I hold my miranda-im quite dear to me. ;) Proud user of clam-av and blender. These are complete software packages that stand out in their field.
But in this case, what you're paying for is user experience. Both of these packages (OO.org and Office) will allow you to (in the case of word processing, my main use) type up a document, adjust the size of text, adjust colors, bold/italic/underline. Indentations, lists, bullets...etc.etc. These are all the essential functions and they're present in both. Let's also say that they're just as easy in both because obviously I didn't spend enough time (I agree, no sarcasm) to find out.
A couple of the things that I ran into:
1. Open Office takes roughly 25 seconds (and yes, this was the 2.0 beta) to start. I don't use the background process that lets it start quicker, and this is no-doubt the reason for the long delay. By the same token I don't use a quick-start process for MSOffice and can get to typing in less than 5 seconds.
2. The buttons are neither in the right place nor the right size. On windows we're accustomed to certain conventions and certain button sizes for certain things. These were simply not right and it was a constant source of confusion. There were many things that fall into the range of "just dosen't feel right".
3. The menu is a great example of things that just aren't "right". I spent the majority of my time trying to move the icons around on the menu-bar and was truly frustrated. Sometimes they would move, sometimes not. Sometimes they would go where I wanted, and sometimes not. It's flaky.
Now I'm not saying that OO.org is a bad thing, or a bad product. If I primarily ran linux I'd probably use it. I certainly am not devaluing the time spent by everyone who developed it.
But for me... I need a product on which time has been spent on user-interface, and not just the inner workings. I don't care whether it's got open file formats or not (honestly) but the fact that I don't feel comfortable using it (and I'm no stranger to learning new software) makes it un-useable for me.
I installed OOo a few days ago for the express purpose of never having to deal with office again. I REALLY REALLY wanted it to be good. Sadly, I uninstalled it less than 5 minutes later. It's come a long way, but side-by-side with Office... well you get what you pay for.
And to head all of the jokes about bugs that I'm paying for, I'm saying that Office is better.
And they all wanna be Apple.
Accept it... at some point... between right now and infinity... the human race will cease to exist.
It's not a matter of "whoa!". It's just reality.
I don't get this... climate change is a part of nature. The climate is ALWAYS changing. Why is it that every time we notice something changing we (as a species) always sit back and go "WTFOMGBBQ!!!!!!WOWOWOW!!!!!one1!!!!!"
Species change, people change, girlfriends/wives/husbands/boyfriends change, islands change, continents move, plants grow, animals die, and politicians are crooked. Get over it.
1. Logic is an important and often overlooked part of growing as a human being. It dosen't have to be programming logic, but it's not a bad thing to know.
2. Programming is a skill-set akin to knowing the scientific method. Once you understand 1 or 2 languages, you understand the process and it becomes easy to expand your ability in the field. We teach kids the basics of drawing, the basics of arithmatic, the basics of grammer, reading, the sciences, so why not logic/programming?
so what you're saying... is that all programs should be closed source, because then the majority of vulnerabilities would remain hidden while they are discovered and patched! It's perfect! MS has the right idea! (half kidding, half mocking the parent)
Unreliable data should not be relied on yes. In this case it's upload numbers provided by the user.
But one of the ideas behind bittorrent is that every user is able to download in proportion to what he/she is providing back to the swarm in the form of uploading to other users. Since there is no central upload server you simply cannot limit by the bandwidth cap because SOMEONE has to be upload the file to maximize the benifits of the system.
There is no snobbery and no punishment to latecommers. It's simply the rights involved with providing more to the system. If you give more, you recieve more. Thus everyone is willing to give in order to get their file faster. If you're not willing to give up your upstream then you don't deserve to have someone else's upstream.