I think this is likely widespread, much more reaching that just one drone mis-editing wikipedia.
For example, NPR's "This I Believe" supposedly personal-account audio essays had on Dec 9th a submission from a stated Gitmo prison officer. www.thisIbelieve.org then read the Dec 9 essay.
Story ends with a "self-stated" "horrible person" Muslim prisoner crying when confronted with the self-effacing, magnanimous Christion prison guard.
Now THAT's a troll.
Did you read the links the next poster provided?
McD's Quality Assurance person said they had settled many hundreds of similar suits, they knew people were getting burned and didn't care, and the little old lady in question only sued when they refused to pay her medical bills.
Pursued as code violation-- that's rich. They had been cited repeated, burned many many people, and the "codes" don't let anything be done about it.
Given that the coffee lawsuit was totally justified (McD's had been cited by inspectors many times) for setting their coffee machines too hot--- by law, there's a max temp. 3rd degree burns should not occur without 30 seconds of exposure to the liquid; they had theirs set so that 3rd degree burns would occur in 3 seconds.
So- despite your reference to a supposed "frivolous lawsuit", your post is actually more accurate than you believed--- both would be suits brought for good cause.
I bought 10X more CDs during the year I tried out new music on Napster.
Browse someone's shared music, find a group that I like, look for the CD.
It was a great way to find fantastic artists outside of the top 20 that gets shoved onto the genre radio stations. Not to mention a way to hear music from genres other than pop rock, country, oldies rock, which pretty much covers radio programming.
All kinds of music was added to my collection then, multiple artists from many labels, and really- not much since, comparatively. How else (well iTunes now a little, which is why it has done so well) to check out different acoustic guitarists, Celtic groups, traditional (whatever instrument)-- some of that is really neat and browsing by listening as opposed to browsing by catalog description means you know what you are getting.
Give me what I need to decide/make a purchase and the industry sales go up. Can I have my MBA now?
Oh, I'm very aware of all sorts of data, and actually your guess as to my position in the 70's is incorrect. That's called a "straw man argument".
Nice that you mention the ozone hole. Keep in mind, there were multiple ozone holes. The hopeful (not done yet) closing of the Antarctic one isn't totally explained yet, but the others seem to have responded to the change in CFC production put in place 25? years ago.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26may_ozon e.htm
Brought to you by the same whiny people that are putting forth solutions to warming. Oh and it's perhaps the same cause-- man's activities, interacting in synergy with solar events.
There are two things to keep in mind here: 1) warming 2) are man's activities the sole cause.
Only a bought and paid for shill will pretend that (1) warming is not happening. Just like the bought and paid shills cried out for years that there was no link between tobacco and cancer. You can still find energy company shills who will say there is no link between PCBs and negative outcomes in people, too. IIRc, stats from a month or so ago showed Europe is 9F warmer than average, the N areas of Canada are 5F warmer, we all know what is going on with gigantic ice fields turning to nothing, and the only industrialized nation where the average hasn't changed much yet is the USA- which is where the non-believers happen to live. Coincidence perhaps?
As for (2) this is the interesting question. There have been changes in climate before, Mars seems to be warming, etc. But the RATE here seems hugely faster than anything seen in many different types of data and many types of analysis. The data really piles up. We *know* that CO2 and other emissions can make this a lot worse- and indeed it seems to be doing so.
Are our various activities the sole cause? It is a solar cycle? A combo of both with or without other factors? I don't know, I think we'll find out, but to look at the effects of what we do *know* about and pretend that it isn't happening (Bush and Co's position) or to not bother to do anything about the part we *can* control, is just not sensible thinking. To my way of thinking.
....that industry shills might resent being labeled as industry shills.
You don't get anywhere in science by ignoring evidence, improperly addressing issues regarding evidence, or telling people to simply not talk about evidence.
My feeling is that the majority of these guys are presenting and interpreting data the same way that big tobacco dealt with the data link between tobacco and cancer. In other words, improperly.
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Unless you actually work for a living, and need to interact with the rest of the world.
I'm a research scientist in biotech, I try and use my Mac laptop, but it's too much of a pain to work with Windows powerpoint presentations, Word docs, etc-- if I get something and open it, slides with images take forever to convert ("converting Meta...", slide by slide), almost but not everything looks right, etc.
Some of the issues are the same as Windows people get when going from one version of powerpoint to another; that _had_ become almost moot as MS took so long between Office releases, the Mac version was about useful, and Windows people just about forgot about version issues.
sure, stuff from the MAc (at least mine) looks OK on Windows, but the converse is NOT true.
85 or 95%, perhaps- but that means if I'm using the Mac for presentations etc, without a ton of extra work, only 85% to 95% looks correct, which is fine until it's representation of _my_ output. And its a job and not just college kids screwing around for fun.
I try, I really try, to use my Mac laptop with files from work. 90% goes, 10% doesn't. The 10% that doesn't fly makes it useless to trust it.
I get powerpoints where metafile graphics that should work, almost do; I get Word docs where 3 out of 4 tables that our project manager embeds from MS Project are readable, the last one is not; it's hopeless.
They break it on purpose, I think. They always have, they always will.
This sounds nice, and I can see how it helps with resolving issues re: deciding who gets a patent. But it won't really change what I see as the bigger issue-- patenting things as a patent troll does, those people who patent stuff without any work on their own, then claim rights when a real primary producer does something (primary producers are decreasing in number in the US as a result, I think).
The first person to create antigravity is still screwed--- most applications of it are still locked up by others--
Thanks to those who modded this as funny; it's somewhat sad that this topic is only a joke and yet at the same time, implementing the joke would be a huge improvement over the present system!!
It follows that voting has a MUCH HIGHER level of security required in voting than in dispensing cash, because a tiny amount of fraud can have large consequences. It's the kind of thing you really can't afford to get wrong. The kind company you need is not the one that knows how to make the kind of trade offs you need to make a practical financial system. You'd want the kind of company you'd trust to do things like design a system to secure sensitive military data transfer.
Perhaps a little reminder is in order on this thread.
The exact same companies who say it is "impossible" to build voting machines that also provide a paper trail to allow for recounts and validation, are the exact same companies who MAKE ATMs.
You know, those machines that give you a precise and verifiable paper record of your transaction and account balance, the instant you adjust it.
Heck Australian voting machine designers looked at the US systems and laughed at us in disbelief, saying that the only reason to implement a system in this fashion was to purposefullly allow it to be cheated.
All the fuss over the Florida e-voting; Diebold and Windsor/Nixdorf saying "not possible" re: paper trails; the ATM down the street that I use monthly, has those same companies name and logo on it. Let's just roll the voting feature into the banking one then, since the banking one works and is eminently more traceable and verifiable than the current voting machines.
You stated in your post that the security needed for voting is far stronger than that for money. I agree; but at this time, there is no meaningful security implemented for electronic voting, all the data shows that the system has been jiggered with, and with total impunity. Just try jiggering with your ATM account; see how far you get.
Perhaps my initial post was too subtle.
We have been screwed
OK, I let it all hang out. I feel better.
I'm not sure this would be the same as voting from home or online...
In many states now, people drive to the electronic voting booths that currently do not work (recall the posting here from a few weeks back, looking at the Florida votes, some were cast at midnight, some days ahead, etc).
I'd drive to a system that worked, paper or electronic. In fact, I have to already. I just want the damn thing to work, and not continue to fake and rig elections.
Can they set them up to handle the voting booth tasks?
It seems the same companies that make these reliable, traceable units, just can't figure out how to make a voting console properly. Merging the two could solve the USA's current problems with (apparantly) rigged elections.
There is no accountability needed on the part of the top mgrs.
If things fail it clearly isn't their fault. That's why their pay is so high, their jobs are SO risky....
If they can keep from committing one of 5 or 6 major crimes, they have zero problems. Trouble is, many of the guys at the top get there by being so greedy and egocentric that they keep on going and commit those crimes.
Great that they pass the ACID test, but the real-world is just not perfect or by-the-book. They need to be able to handle what really happens, too.
Example, my workplace Exchange web interface- Safari misses parts of the page, FireFox renders it fine. ACID test or no, I like the one that works in all situations.
..justification for even more restricive measures and uncontrolled gov't access and powers without any oversight than already exists.
Which would be easier for the CIA- to really fix and address a problem, or to make talking about problems a crime, necessitating secret interrogaton and incarceration of those who talk about what they see as concerns?
quit being obtuse intentionally (I hope).
The point is, genocide by leaders happens a lot, and other gov't pick and choose when to care about it. The fact(!) that they pick and choose shows that items other than genocide make the decision.
Most of your post is a straw man (look that up)-- you are putting words and positions in the argument, then discussing those inserted topics/positions.
I fully admit its old by todays standards. That is the reason i did say that updating would be needed if it was to be re-relased. Need to support modern networking, color, compatibility with current day mail systems, etc. It was/is a sound design, but hasnt been supported in many years so its bound to fall behind.
Even with the old ones however, there is still a die-hard fanbase. And the OS is *still* better then winCE. NewtOS was designed from the ground up to be on a PDA, unlike CE, which is more of a desktop OS shoehorned into your hand.
But i guess most of this is moot, we wont be seeing another Newt model come out.
huh? Getting the NewtonOS, with all its built-in tools, plus having hooks to modern hardware (wireless, form factors, batteries) WOULD BE basically having a modern Newton come out.
There are already Newton OS add-ons for OUtlook calender/email sync, etc- so you could have a nice tool, nice NewtonOS, and modern hardware all in one package, finally.
We should just be telling the anti-warming people to take it on "faith" I guess.
I saw it written on a cold french fry, myself.
The problem of how to convince people of a problem which requires a little education and critical thinking to comprehend, when the unsubtle trend in the USA (at least) is anti-intellectual, anti-critical thinking is a tough one to solve.
Except for the demonstrated fact that the frenetic cult that is fundamentalism has infiltrated the US Republican party, is appointing its cult members to the US Supreme Court, and generally running roughshod over every tenet of the separation of church and state that has historically kept this country from having the internal configuration of the religious states found elsewhere in the world.
Do the frenetic right-wingers represent all Xians? Certainly not. Are they outvoting the moderates? Just look around.
I lived in the bible belt for a while. They expelled a girl from high school while I was down there, for "successfully casting a spell o nthe vice principal, and sending him to the hospital with appendicitis". They would be burning people at the stake if it weren't now illegal. This is the future of the US unless something changes drasticallly. The followers of Pat Robertson outbreed educated people.
So, by his reasoning re: common carriers, does that mean I can take the USPS to task the next time I receive, in the mail, one of those totally bogus adverts for profit-making time shares, or some such??
Depending on what you mean by "developing world", the issues are clean water and regular food. Heck, it's only since the late 80's (?) that the were able to get vitamin A to places so that their kids would quit getting sick and blind.
Laptop is neat, but basic needs need met first. Sick kids do not learn well.
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For example, NPR's "This I Believe" supposedly personal-account audio essays had on Dec 9th a submission from a stated Gitmo prison officer. www.thisIbelieve.org then read the Dec 9 essay.
Story ends with a "self-stated" "horrible person" Muslim prisoner crying when confronted with the self-effacing, magnanimous Christion prison guard.
Puleeze.
Now THAT's a troll. Did you read the links the next poster provided? McD's Quality Assurance person said they had settled many hundreds of similar suits, they knew people were getting burned and didn't care, and the little old lady in question only sued when they refused to pay her medical bills. Pursued as code violation-- that's rich. They had been cited repeated, burned many many people, and the "codes" don't let anything be done about it.
THANK YOU. The troll mod really bugged me.
Given that the coffee lawsuit was totally justified (McD's had been cited by inspectors many times) for setting their coffee machines too hot--- by law, there's a max temp. 3rd degree burns should not occur without 30 seconds of exposure to the liquid; they had theirs set so that 3rd degree burns would occur in 3 seconds. So- despite your reference to a supposed "frivolous lawsuit", your post is actually more accurate than you believed--- both would be suits brought for good cause.
I bought 10X more CDs during the year I tried out new music on Napster. Browse someone's shared music, find a group that I like, look for the CD. It was a great way to find fantastic artists outside of the top 20 that gets shoved onto the genre radio stations. Not to mention a way to hear music from genres other than pop rock, country, oldies rock, which pretty much covers radio programming. All kinds of music was added to my collection then, multiple artists from many labels, and really- not much since, comparatively. How else (well iTunes now a little, which is why it has done so well) to check out different acoustic guitarists, Celtic groups, traditional (whatever instrument)-- some of that is really neat and browsing by listening as opposed to browsing by catalog description means you know what you are getting. Give me what I need to decide/make a purchase and the industry sales go up. Can I have my MBA now?
I read that as "match" as in a call for lighting a match. I guess that shows how frustrated I'm getting with the _status quo_.
Oh, I'm very aware of all sorts of data, and actually your guess as to my position in the 70's is incorrect. That's called a "straw man argument". Nice that you mention the ozone hole. Keep in mind, there were multiple ozone holes. The hopeful (not done yet) closing of the Antarctic one isn't totally explained yet, but the others seem to have responded to the change in CFC production put in place 25? years ago. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26may_ozon e.htm
Brought to you by the same whiny people that are putting forth solutions to warming. Oh and it's perhaps the same cause-- man's activities, interacting in synergy with solar events.
There are two things to keep in mind here: 1) warming 2) are man's activities the sole cause.
Only a bought and paid for shill will pretend that (1) warming is not happening. Just like the bought and paid shills cried out for years that there was no link between tobacco and cancer. You can still find energy company shills who will say there is no link between PCBs and negative outcomes in people, too. IIRc, stats from a month or so ago showed Europe is 9F warmer than average, the N areas of Canada are 5F warmer, we all know what is going on with gigantic ice fields turning to nothing, and the only industrialized nation where the average hasn't changed much yet is the USA- which is where the non-believers happen to live. Coincidence perhaps?
As for (2) this is the interesting question. There have been changes in climate before, Mars seems to be warming, etc. But the RATE here seems hugely faster than anything seen in many different types of data and many types of analysis. The data really piles up. We *know* that CO2 and other emissions can make this a lot worse- and indeed it seems to be doing so.
Are our various activities the sole cause? It is a solar cycle? A combo of both with or without other factors? I don't know, I think we'll find out, but to look at the effects of what we do *know* about and pretend that it isn't happening (Bush and Co's position) or to not bother to do anything about the part we *can* control, is just not sensible thinking. To my way of thinking.
....that industry shills might resent being labeled as industry shills.
You don't get anywhere in science by ignoring evidence, improperly addressing issues regarding evidence, or telling people to simply not talk about evidence.
My feeling is that the majority of these guys are presenting and interpreting data the same way that big tobacco dealt with the data link between tobacco and cancer. In other words, improperly.
>Yep, Windows is the new Classic.
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>After a week, you'll figure out a way not to need it.
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Unless you actually work for a living, and need to interact with the rest of the world.
I'm a research scientist in biotech, I try and use my Mac laptop, but it's too much of a pain to work with Windows powerpoint presentations, Word docs, etc-- if I get something and open it, slides with images take forever to convert ("converting Meta...", slide by slide), almost but not everything looks right, etc.
Some of the issues are the same as Windows people get when going from one version of powerpoint to another; that _had_ become almost moot as MS took so long between Office releases, the Mac version was about useful, and Windows people just about forgot about version issues.
sure, stuff from the MAc (at least mine) looks OK on Windows, but the converse is NOT true.
85 or 95%, perhaps- but that means if I'm using the Mac for presentations etc, without a ton of extra work, only 85% to 95% looks correct, which is fine until it's representation of _my_ output. And its a job and not just college kids screwing around for fun.
Office/Mac and Office/XP just don't interoperate.
I try, I really try, to use my Mac laptop with files from work. 90% goes, 10% doesn't. The 10% that doesn't fly makes it useless to trust it.
I get powerpoints where metafile graphics that should work, almost do; I get Word docs where 3 out of 4 tables that our project manager embeds from MS Project are readable, the last one is not; it's hopeless.
They break it on purpose, I think. They always have, they always will.
This sounds nice, and I can see how it helps with resolving issues re: deciding who gets a patent. But it won't really change what I see as the bigger issue-- patenting things as a patent troll does, those people who patent stuff without any work on their own, then claim rights when a real primary producer does something (primary producers are decreasing in number in the US as a result, I think). The first person to create antigravity is still screwed--- most applications of it are still locked up by others--
Thanks to those who modded this as funny; it's somewhat sad that this topic is only a joke and yet at the same time, implementing the joke would be a huge improvement over the present system!!
It follows that voting has a MUCH HIGHER level of security required in voting than in dispensing cash, because a tiny amount of fraud can have large consequences. It's the kind of thing you really can't afford to get wrong. The kind company you need is not the one that knows how to make the kind of trade offs you need to make a practical financial system. You'd want the kind of company you'd trust to do things like design a system to secure sensitive military data transfer.
Perhaps a little reminder is in order on this thread.
The exact same companies who say it is "impossible" to build voting machines that also provide a paper trail to allow for recounts and validation, are the exact same companies who MAKE ATMs.
You know, those machines that give you a precise and verifiable paper record of your transaction and account balance, the instant you adjust it.
Heck Australian voting machine designers looked at the US systems and laughed at us in disbelief, saying that the only reason to implement a system in this fashion was to purposefullly allow it to be cheated.
All the fuss over the Florida e-voting; Diebold and Windsor/Nixdorf saying "not possible" re: paper trails; the ATM down the street that I use monthly, has those same companies name and logo on it. Let's just roll the voting feature into the banking one then, since the banking one works and is eminently more traceable and verifiable than the current voting machines.
You stated in your post that the security needed for voting is far stronger than that for money. I agree; but at this time, there is no meaningful security implemented for electronic voting, all the data shows that the system has been jiggered with, and with total impunity. Just try jiggering with your ATM account; see how far you get.
Perhaps my initial post was too subtle.
We have been screwed
OK, I let it all hang out. I feel better.
umm...
I know: it's good patriotic capitalism. Cutting out the middleman etc. Those middlemen always get caught, squeal, and ruin everything for the rest.
I'm not sure this would be the same as voting from home or online...
In many states now, people drive to the electronic voting booths that currently do not work (recall the posting here from a few weeks back, looking at the Florida votes, some were cast at midnight, some days ahead, etc).
I'd drive to a system that worked, paper or electronic. In fact, I have to already. I just want the damn thing to work, and not continue to fake and rig elections.
Can they set them up to handle the voting booth tasks? It seems the same companies that make these reliable, traceable units, just can't figure out how to make a voting console properly. Merging the two could solve the USA's current problems with (apparantly) rigged elections.
There is no accountability needed on the part of the top mgrs.
If things fail it clearly isn't their fault. That's why their pay is so high, their jobs are SO risky....
If they can keep from committing one of 5 or 6 major crimes, they have zero problems. Trouble is, many of the guys at the top get there by being so greedy and egocentric that they keep on going and commit those crimes.
Great that they pass the ACID test, but the real-world is just not perfect or by-the-book. They need to be able to handle what really happens, too. Example, my workplace Exchange web interface- Safari misses parts of the page, FireFox renders it fine. ACID test or no, I like the one that works in all situations.
..justification for even more restricive measures and uncontrolled gov't access and powers without any oversight than already exists.
Which would be easier for the CIA- to really fix and address a problem, or to make talking about problems a crime, necessitating secret interrogaton and incarceration of those who talk about what they see as concerns?
quit being obtuse intentionally (I hope). The point is, genocide by leaders happens a lot, and other gov't pick and choose when to care about it. The fact(!) that they pick and choose shows that items other than genocide make the decision. Most of your post is a straw man (look that up)-- you are putting words and positions in the argument, then discussing those inserted topics/positions.
I fully admit its old by todays standards. That is the reason i did say that updating would be needed if it was to be re-relased. Need to support modern networking, color, compatibility with current day mail systems, etc. It was/is a sound design, but hasnt been supported in many years so its bound to fall behind. Even with the old ones however, there is still a die-hard fanbase. And the OS is *still* better then winCE. NewtOS was designed from the ground up to be on a PDA, unlike CE, which is more of a desktop OS shoehorned into your hand. But i guess most of this is moot, we wont be seeing another Newt model come out.
huh? Getting the NewtonOS, with all its built-in tools, plus having hooks to modern hardware (wireless, form factors, batteries) WOULD BE basically having a modern Newton come out.
There are already Newton OS add-ons for OUtlook calender/email sync, etc- so you could have a nice tool, nice NewtonOS, and modern hardware all in one package, finally.
We should just be telling the anti-warming people to take it on "faith" I guess.
I saw it written on a cold french fry, myself.
The problem of how to convince people of a problem which requires a little education and critical thinking to comprehend, when the unsubtle trend in the USA (at least) is anti-intellectual, anti-critical thinking is a tough one to solve.
Except for the demonstrated fact that the frenetic cult that is fundamentalism has infiltrated the US Republican party, is appointing its cult members to the US Supreme Court, and generally running roughshod over every tenet of the separation of church and state that has historically kept this country from having the internal configuration of the religious states found elsewhere in the world.
Do the frenetic right-wingers represent all Xians? Certainly not. Are they outvoting the moderates? Just look around.
I lived in the bible belt for a while. They expelled a girl from high school while I was down there, for "successfully casting a spell o nthe vice principal, and sending him to the hospital with appendicitis". They would be burning people at the stake if it weren't now illegal. This is the future of the US unless something changes drasticallly. The followers of Pat Robertson outbreed educated people.
So, by his reasoning re: common carriers, does that mean I can take the USPS to task the next time I receive, in the mail, one of those totally bogus adverts for profit-making time shares, or some such??
Depending on what you mean by "developing world", the issues are clean water and regular food. Heck, it's only since the late 80's (?) that the were able to get vitamin A to places so that their kids would quit getting sick and blind.
Laptop is neat, but basic needs need met first. Sick kids do not learn well.