Well, but the point they'll probably make is that they can also get rid of you for other reasons, there are enough at hand, for which they don't have to prove the "illegalness" of your online activities. In the end it'll all be about saving costs and going to court is a very costly matter.
Let's take the Terms and Conditions of tiscali uk. I remove the stuff about the user not paying etc. since those are easy to prove and trivial. The main question is, who decides 'what is illegal'.
...
2.2 We can end the service immediately if:
2.2.1 you fail to meet any of these terms and conditions (including but not limited to clause 5); ...
2.2.4 you use abusive or threatening behaviour while using the service. ...
Does tiscali go to court to prove that you have or have not been using threatening behaviour? They won't. You might, if you want to stand in your right, but do you really want to? Won't you get into more troubles if you actually go this procedure than just switch your provider? And what's so special about clause 5? Take a closer look:
5 Responsibility
5.1 You agree to use the service in line with our most recent instructions and also in line with all relevant laws, regulations and licences.
5.2 You agree not to use the service to transmit any material that may be considered illegal, defamatory, offensive, indecent or connected with any criminal offence.
5.3 Any advice or information, whether spoken or in writing, that you get from us will not create any guarantee that is not specifically referred to in these terms and conditions.
5.4 The service is only meant for residential purposes. You must not use it for business or commercial purposes, or to resell the services to anyone else. We can monitor your calls to check whether or not your call patterns are what we would expect for a residential customer.
So, the BPI goes to tiscali, gives them server logs of whatever, that connect your ip to some 'indecent' (how the hell is that defined) activity. Will tiscali bring that to court? They might have some internal commission to judge on this, but at first hand they'll decide themselves if they turn your connection off or not. Probably if you are spreading lots of copyrighted content, you are a heavy dsl user and they might just activate the Fair Use Policy on you. Why not? In the end, it's damaging all their other costumers. And what's this 5.4? Seems pretty nasty and vague. If you just sum this all up, the ISP is more likely to try and find causes to put away with 'problematic' users than to keep them. You can always bring this to court, but do you really want to spend money and time on that?
It's not about refusing a service, but about a breach of contract. If you are in breach with their Acceptable Use Policy, which will likely state that you should not spread illegal content, then they have all rights to end your contract, both the provider and the user agreed with this at the start of the contract.
An end of a contract happens all the time, you can end your contract with your employer if you don't like your work, the other way around, etc. etc.
Therefore you shouldn't see this as a punishment, you won't get a criminal record, or have to get involved into the court system. Everybody wins! The worst that can happen is that you'd have to pay your remaining fees for the planned duration of the contract, but I'm not even sure if that will be the case.
you know, I get the impression that in this case someone's really trying to spread FUD over this company. At least starting lots of investigations against it, at the same time, so the outcome becomes even more uncertain. Say, if they would have done this after the first one ended succesfully, then stockholders would be more secure about the outcome of the next one. But now, the uncertainity that they will survive all this is big, making people fear about their stock, and doubt about the feature. Seems like all ingredients are there to kill off Take Two even without any real arguments to be found.
But I guess that here still the inside has to contact the firewall as well (otherwise it wouldn't be able to send it its verification keys) so in the end you still have a two-way firewall. Sounds like a sturdy enough protocol, though.
The pictures were by default!:) And I actually just didn't bother to archive, no matter which program it would be. It really is that I can do in pine without archiving and can still find everything I need. It can handle archiving very nicely though.
There is one exception, and that is gmail, where you can link a message to various labels, without to have to save it double. (actually in gmail you still have only one single archive, see!:) ) If someone makes a terminal client that can do the labelling system of gmail, I'd use it instead of pine. The rest of the gmail interface is still a bit pesky, for example I don't really want my mail discussions collapsed, it's very confusing.
Cool, thnx. It never made much sense to me that the air on the top side should be at the end of the tip at the same time as the air at the bottom side (I guess there is no system, be it air, liquid, or light, where such a principle should be true, help me if I'm wrong). Still, I never took the effort to look it up.
Ok, I might be not completely correct, but a simplified summary for the lazy people: the actual concept is that air is blown downwards, pushing the plane up.
The mechanism is air viscosity: Flow speed at a surface is always zero(*), the further you go from the surface, the faster the flow speed can be(**). Via this principle, flow will direct itself parallel to any surface it flows along(***). If you take an airplane wing at normal flight, the bottom side of the wing is parallel to the earth, so not much happens there. The top, however, is pointing downwards from front to end and therefore directs the air downwards towards to the earth, like this: http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/AERO/images/sav10a.gif . They also mention how this solves the question how airplanes fly upside down, as long as the wing can direct air downwards it will work.
Now spread the world to your children(****), and your children's children, so we can eliminate the incorrect picture out of the world!
(* this is actually also an approximation)
(** Until you reach bulk flow spead)
(*** as long as you don't create turbulence, probably, I'm not a flow expert, though)
(**** Oh, I forgot, this is slashdot;) )
These standards have eroded over my lifetime, but it need not be so.
Did you see the documentary 'inside deep throat'? It shows how the strict 'decency' laws of the 70s are still on place now, but that there is again a lobby for actual implementation of these laws, probably even more now than then.
Probably one needs a second Watergate for people to wake up and see what a bunch of double standards these "decent" people have.
pine is indeed pretty decent. As a 16-year old it was my first mail client on a free local internet service, it was the only thing they offered. But now I still use it, it has very easy and fast search and sort abilities, even though I have about 8000 entries in my inbox, it can handle it in no time. One of the better features is the 'role' option, incoming mail from certain adresses can be default be replied to with a completely different header and signature. Still, for the user, everything is saved in the same client. It can automatically handle graphic attachments by calling other programs, and probably urls as well although I never really bothered to configure that. All in all, it's a full-grown "graphical" interface for mail, and I didn't find anything yet that could handle what pine does as fast and efficiently.
When did FUD switch from the classical definition to "any random stupid statement that Joe Slashdotter disagrees with"?
Since it's the shortest word to type as a slashdot tag for these kind of articles. Been noticing its inappropriate use already for some time now in the tags. Am a big fan of the tagging system what the rest concerns.
But, US != the world, so should the stuff of US taxpayers be public domain, and as such available to non-US countries as well? If you don't want that, how are you going to screen it? Or, if these are US-only patents, then it doesn't matter, but I don't think patents make much sense as long as they are not valid world-wide
There are doubtless some of us (geeks, especially) who would find the idea of an MP3 player the size of a brick and about as hard to destroy attractive. .
I'm not sure, ipods seem to be pretty lame compared to those brick-sized Creative Nomad players. Furthermore, who would spend all that money on an ipod if they don't even have wireless (still!).
I have a dream! There will be the day, that everyone will switch from paypal to canadian tire money! Even though I don't live anywhere near canada, it's probably still less sucky than paypal. And the more people use canadian tire money, the more ways you could get to actually use it. Spread the word!
So I wonder why they haven't done it yet. They've got plenty of opportunity.
Maybe because they don't have to, as most of the freedom-limiting and privacy-infringin terror is now done by your very own state.
More on why money-tracking doesn't really work can be found in this interesting article. Furthermore, in europe it seems that western union is probably the main/only company for sending money to foreign countries, so a lot of people will be hurt by these rather retarded regulations. But, from what I've heard, western union wasn't a very costumer-friendly company already way before this (could lose your money without really knowing where it went, etc.).
I had the same idea. Sounds to me like either "Wiki - kamikaze style" rendering completely useless within 3 days, or the ideal place to test new wiki moderation systems (at least that way something good can come out of it).
BTW, should I read the ! in "VOTE FOR !BUSH" as the way it is used in computercode?:)
These last three things are actually not the things one should save on. With only 80 GB HD and no DVD writer to make backups, what are you going to do with all your data, put it on a sh*tload of cds? I'm not much of a gamer so I don't really care about the graphiccard, but there will be enough people who do.
Biggest point is, upgrading afterwards is probably a pain in these machines, (contrary to say, a cheap dell, where you could put in standard DVD writers any time) so in the end these things are a bad offer for students.
Ok, you seem to have a clue, so I have a question. Is this really new? These cars must already been using embedded systems for their data measuring on-to-go and data transport. I also remember e.g. the compaq or HP advertizements for their F1 computers, and they were actually mentioning that they were using linux. Would this move actually mean that Microsoft is trying to get the linux systems out for these 'showcase' Formula 1 pcs? And is it likely to work?
The second is to order a print run of 10,000 leaflets saying "We are specialists in the education market" and carpet-bomb every school in the area with them. The depressing thing is, I think this would actually work.
Hey, don't steal ideas from the marketing department of Apple in the 80's, they might still have a patent on it:)
Nostalgia/Disclaimer: My parents were teachers, as a 10 year old I had access to the cool Apples with 20 MB external harddisks etc. etc. I still remember the fun I had with hypercard, making short animations and small games. I never knew were the program actually was for (and in retrospect it was probably not very good in that), but it must have been a pretty well-done program if it was so easy to create pleasing things in it. Now I think of it, I actually programmed with it, without even realizing! Try that with powerpoint or flash...
Never heard of them but, they seem not overly expensive, especially knowing there are people out there willing to ask more than twice the market price for something just having the stamp 'education quality' on it. And, apparently, they have buttons that can stand 11 kg of pressure, that's pretty cool, knowing how most people/kids deal with PCs. Similarly, they offer hard screen monitors that don't break that easily if you press the screen with your finger, which many people actually do (not only kids). So I guess they more or less offer stuff tuned to the demand of schools (don't know about software though).
The best thing would probably be thin clients, that actually have almost nothing that can break, but I guess schools are not ready for that as it would require someone capable enough to maintain a central server. (not being impolite here, just realistic).
Then, just make sure that you're part of the mob. An part of the right mob of course, the mob wouldn't want you to move to another mob, because then they would have less power. Probably they'd need to keep an eye on you just to make sure you don't consider changing or leaving the mob. But, it also has a good part, because you'll be protected for attacks from competing mobs this way... Hmmmm, doesn't this lead to something familiar.
Yes indeed, they can evaluate it, but then? Will they change? Will Microsoft change their products just because of this review? Probably the only effect of an overall bad review would be that Microsoft will change their pricing, which they might do as they have nothing to loose. Since schools probably will welcome price lowerings more than, for example, the investment needed to change to open source products just for the idea of it, there is no real alternative.
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Well, but the point they'll probably make is that they can also get rid of you for other reasons, there are enough at hand, for which they don't have to prove the "illegalness" of your online activities. In the end it'll all be about saving costs and going to court is a very costly matter.
2.2 We can end the service immediately if:
2.2.1 you fail to meet any of these terms and conditions (including but not limited to clause 5);
2.2.4 you use abusive or threatening behaviour while using the service.
Does tiscali go to court to prove that you have or have not been using threatening behaviour? They won't. You might, if you want to stand in your right, but do you really want to? Won't you get into more troubles if you actually go this procedure than just switch your provider? And what's so special about clause 5? Take a closer look:
5 Responsibility
5.1 You agree to use the service in line with our most recent instructions and also in line with all relevant laws, regulations and licences.
5.2 You agree not to use the service to transmit any material that may be considered illegal, defamatory, offensive, indecent or connected with any criminal offence.
5.3 Any advice or information, whether spoken or in writing, that you get from us will not create any guarantee that is not specifically referred to in these terms and conditions.
5.4 The service is only meant for residential purposes. You must not use it for business or commercial purposes, or to resell the services to anyone else. We can monitor your calls to check whether or not your call patterns are what we would expect for a residential customer.
So, the BPI goes to tiscali, gives them server logs of whatever, that connect your ip to some 'indecent' (how the hell is that defined) activity. Will tiscali bring that to court? They might have some internal commission to judge on this, but at first hand they'll decide themselves if they turn your connection off or not. Probably if you are spreading lots of copyrighted content, you are a heavy dsl user and they might just activate the Fair Use Policy on you. Why not? In the end, it's damaging all their other costumers. And what's this 5.4? Seems pretty nasty and vague. If you just sum this all up, the ISP is more likely to try and find causes to put away with 'problematic' users than to keep them. You can always bring this to court, but do you really want to spend money and time on that?
An end of a contract happens all the time, you can end your contract with your employer if you don't like your work, the other way around, etc. etc. Therefore you shouldn't see this as a punishment, you won't get a criminal record, or have to get involved into the court system. Everybody wins! The worst that can happen is that you'd have to pay your remaining fees for the planned duration of the contract, but I'm not even sure if that will be the case.
you've read [page two] too many [page three] reviews [page four] on tomshardware.com
you know, I get the impression that in this case someone's really trying to spread FUD over this company. At least starting lots of investigations against it, at the same time, so the outcome becomes even more uncertain. Say, if they would have done this after the first one ended succesfully, then stockholders would be more secure about the outcome of the next one. But now, the uncertainity that they will survive all this is big, making people fear about their stock, and doubt about the feature. Seems like all ingredients are there to kill off Take Two even without any real arguments to be found.
But I guess that here still the inside has to contact the firewall as well (otherwise it wouldn't be able to send it its verification keys) so in the end you still have a two-way firewall. Sounds like a sturdy enough protocol, though.
There is one exception, and that is gmail, where you can link a message to various labels, without to have to save it double. (actually in gmail you still have only one single archive, see! :) ) If someone makes a terminal client that can do the labelling system of gmail, I'd use it instead of pine. The rest of the gmail interface is still a bit pesky, for example I don't really want my mail discussions collapsed, it's very confusing.
Ok, I might be not completely correct, but a simplified summary for the lazy people: the actual concept is that air is blown downwards, pushing the plane up.
The mechanism is air viscosity: Flow speed at a surface is always zero(*), the further you go from the surface, the faster the flow speed can be(**). Via this principle, flow will direct itself parallel to any surface it flows along(***). If you take an airplane wing at normal flight, the bottom side of the wing is parallel to the earth, so not much happens there. The top, however, is pointing downwards from front to end and therefore directs the air downwards towards to the earth, like this: http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/AERO/images/sav10a.gif . They also mention how this solves the question how airplanes fly upside down, as long as the wing can direct air downwards it will work.
Now spread the world to your children(****), and your children's children, so we can eliminate the incorrect picture out of the world!
(* this is actually also an approximation) (** Until you reach bulk flow spead) (*** as long as you don't create turbulence, probably, I'm not a flow expert, though) (**** Oh, I forgot, this is slashdot ;) )
Ok, folks, beware of all the shaven slashdotters coming to a swimming pool near you, trying to discover this "sleaker" feeling!
Oh well, at least you didn't mention if it feels better than sex or not...
Did you see the documentary 'inside deep throat'? It shows how the strict 'decency' laws of the 70s are still on place now, but that there is again a lobby for actual implementation of these laws, probably even more now than then.
Probably one needs a second Watergate for people to wake up and see what a bunch of double standards these "decent" people have.
pine is indeed pretty decent. As a 16-year old it was my first mail client on a free local internet service, it was the only thing they offered. But now I still use it, it has very easy and fast search and sort abilities, even though I have about 8000 entries in my inbox, it can handle it in no time. One of the better features is the 'role' option, incoming mail from certain adresses can be default be replied to with a completely different header and signature. Still, for the user, everything is saved in the same client. It can automatically handle graphic attachments by calling other programs, and probably urls as well although I never really bothered to configure that. All in all, it's a full-grown "graphical" interface for mail, and I didn't find anything yet that could handle what pine does as fast and efficiently.
Since it's the shortest word to type as a slashdot tag for these kind of articles. Been noticing its inappropriate use already for some time now in the tags. Am a big fan of the tagging system what the rest concerns.
http://europe.samsungmobile.com/eng/mobile_phone/s gh-p300/specification.jsp
maybe a bit wider than other models, but most probably the slimmest one around.
Is that what happens when you plug your cables in your router/firewall backwards? No, really, help me here, why is that secure?
But, US != the world, so should the stuff of US taxpayers be public domain, and as such available to non-US countries as well? If you don't want that, how are you going to screen it? Or, if these are US-only patents, then it doesn't matter, but I don't think patents make much sense as long as they are not valid world-wide
I'm not sure, ipods seem to be pretty lame compared to those brick-sized Creative Nomad players. Furthermore, who would spend all that money on an ipod if they don't even have wireless (still!).
I have a dream! There will be the day, that everyone will switch from paypal to canadian tire money! Even though I don't live anywhere near canada, it's probably still less sucky than paypal. And the more people use canadian tire money, the more ways you could get to actually use it. Spread the word!
Maybe because they don't have to, as most of the freedom-limiting and privacy-infringin terror is now done by your very own state.
More on why money-tracking doesn't really work can be found in this interesting article. Furthermore, in europe it seems that western union is probably the main/only company for sending money to foreign countries, so a lot of people will be hurt by these rather retarded regulations. But, from what I've heard, western union wasn't a very costumer-friendly company already way before this (could lose your money without really knowing where it went, etc.).
BTW, should I read the ! in "VOTE FOR !BUSH" as the way it is used in computercode? :)
Biggest point is, upgrading afterwards is probably a pain in these machines, (contrary to say, a cheap dell, where you could put in standard DVD writers any time) so in the end these things are a bad offer for students.
Ok, you seem to have a clue, so I have a question. Is this really new? These cars must already been using embedded systems for their data measuring on-to-go and data transport. I also remember e.g. the compaq or HP advertizements for their F1 computers, and they were actually mentioning that they were using linux. Would this move actually mean that Microsoft is trying to get the linux systems out for these 'showcase' Formula 1 pcs? And is it likely to work?
Hey, don't steal ideas from the marketing department of Apple in the 80's, they might still have a patent on it :)
Nostalgia/Disclaimer: My parents were teachers, as a 10 year old I had access to the cool Apples with 20 MB external harddisks etc. etc. I still remember the fun I had with hypercard, making short animations and small games. I never knew were the program actually was for (and in retrospect it was probably not very good in that), but it must have been a pretty well-done program if it was so easy to create pleasing things in it. Now I think of it, I actually programmed with it, without even realizing! Try that with powerpoint or flash...
The best thing would probably be thin clients, that actually have almost nothing that can break, but I guess schools are not ready for that as it would require someone capable enough to maintain a central server. (not being impolite here, just realistic).
Then, just make sure that you're part of the mob. An part of the right mob of course, the mob wouldn't want you to move to another mob, because then they would have less power. Probably they'd need to keep an eye on you just to make sure you don't consider changing or leaving the mob. But, it also has a good part, because you'll be protected for attacks from competing mobs this way... Hmmmm, doesn't this lead to something familiar.
Yes indeed, they can evaluate it, but then? Will they change? Will Microsoft change their products just because of this review? Probably the only effect of an overall bad review would be that Microsoft will change their pricing, which they might do as they have nothing to loose. Since schools probably will welcome price lowerings more than, for example, the investment needed to change to open source products just for the idea of it, there is no real alternative.