If someone is skilled at IT, deeply understands computers and networking, and has critical thinking skills, they can get a better job. There are few people like that anywhere. Why would they be sitting around in IT? They should be designing a router.
There are only so many routers that need to be designed.
Really, everyone everywhere should be delving as deeply into this world/reality as they can. Obviously, nobody can learn everything but everyone should realize by now that the Earth is round (ish), voodoo/magic does not work, evolution is occurring, molecules and atoms are basic building blocks (and they are made of even more basic building "blocks"), there are billions of stars in the galaxy we are in and that there are more galaxies out there. Nobody should believe in the Big Bang theory, but everyone should agree that it is the best theory we currently have to explain what we see.
All of this is basic stuff that any person in the 4th grade should be able to see clearly... and yet most do not.
Sorry. I became sidetracked. Not everyone who is knowledgeable can be at the top. Not everyone who has knowledge WANTS to be at the top.
The fact that MBAs and CIOs are the ones whining make me always suspicious who of course get quoted in all these articles and probably contribute to them. How convenient this propaganda can now be used and passed around to politicians to increase H1B1 visas as a response.
Hm. This is a very real issue regardless of who says it for whatever purposes. While many of the people around me (not most) can troubleshoot their way out of a wet paper bag, incredibly few demonstrate any understanding at all of what is going on around them.
Will foreign talent solve this problem? Not really. Finding the needle in the haystack is tough enough when you share a common culture. Finding that one person who can think critically and logically from a foreign country is even more hopeless.
Unfortunately, there are no certifications/degrees which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a person is capable of making accurate mental models and has an efficient method of refining and testing those models... and then understanding the implications of the models they have built.
Except that the NSA has taken to giving data to the FBI, DEA, and ATF to prosecute people for these "smaller" crimes. Parallel Construction ring a bell?
The NSA was cool when it was about national security. Now that it is "dirtying" itself with petty crime, it is not so cool.
3. Homeless people who lived too close to the edge and became unemployed
Yeah, much of America is on that fine line right now. It must be nice to be nowhere near that line.
Actually, I am not near that line right now but I have been there several times in my life. Life in America is brutal... but in a way, it kind of should be; otherwise, a very large group of people would just sit around and wait for food and shelter to be given to them. Very few people seem to have "the hunter instinct" nowadays.
In America you have to actively refuse help in order to be in continual pain or homeless.
Whoah there cowboy. I am unsure what country you are from but as an American young white homeless male without any felonies, it was impossible to get any help whatsoever. Granted, that was at least a quarter of a century ago but I doubt things have changed that much concerning the homeless.
If I were a felon, there were programs. If I were a woman, there were programs. If I was a minority, there were programs. If I were elderly, there were programs. I was none of those. There were no programs for me. So I starved and froze. Of course, it was not much different than when I actually had a job. I worked 6 days a week but could not really afford food or heat after rent was paid off.
A severe tooth abscess can be handled by the ER if its that bad and no publicly funded ER will turn down you down
Yeah, except that if you ever get a job, your wages will be garnished until the overinflated ER prices are paid off... which means that you pay the ER off before you can start paying for rent and clothes and such. Not very easy to get out of the homeless cycle there.
But what out the following scenario: I get arrested and the cops seize my phone. Some buddy non the lookout sees this and bricks/formats my phone so the cops don't get to see my contact list and textsecure messages.
What? You do not get control of this kill switch and by extension, neither does your friend.
I only have one thing to say to the fuckfaces that did this: FUCK YOU!
You have not made me more safe and you have given another person a way to render my phone useless. Again, FUCK YOU! I am NOT you fucking slave and I WILL chop off your fucking heads you bitches.
Well, the Bugatti Veyron's engine generates 3 thousand horsepower. It can deliver 1 thousand horsepower to the wheels as kinetic force. That leaves 2 thousand horsepower on the table as wasted heat. If you were able to convert 10% of that wasted heat into kinetic force, that would be an extra 200 horsepower. That would be 20% more kinetic force applied to the wheels at no cost (energy wise).
Take it the other way and you get 20% better gas mileage. Still not shabby. Personally, I would go for more horsepower.:)
"And it's nobody's fault. No one was ever truly in charge of OpenSSL, it just sort of became the default landfill for prototypes of cryptographic inventions
Erm, OpenSSL is the continuation of a project by (IIRC) an Australian named Eric A Young. I have been using that code base since it was called SSLeay. The mists of time are not THAT thick yet.
but in no way, shape or form should revenge fantasies like "going Columbine" be casually thrown about as if yeah, that's something reasonable.
It is not that it is reasonable. It is that such unreasonable actions could occur when all reasonable courses of protecting oneself are removed. We have seen it before and while I hope we never see it again, I am betting that we will see it again... for exactly what we see going on here.
Something similar here: My son has always been MUCH larger than everyone in his same age group. In kindergarten, I caught him beating up a boy in the third grade. I grabbed him and took him over to the other boys house after the other boy arrived home and had him apologize in front of the other boy's parents. He stopped being a bully forever after that.
Fast forward to high school and my son comes home complaining loudly one day. He is tired of hearing all of this anti-bullying "crap". They have to watch movies and go to the auditorium and blah blah endlessly and there is no bullying problem!
"Dad, why do I have to keep hearing this crap? I never see ANY bullying anywhere."
So I finally broke it to him, "Son, YOU are the bully. I know, you do not bully anyone but look at yourself. Is there anyone in the 10th grade who is as big as you?"
"No.", he says.
"Is there anyone in the 11th grade that is as big as you?", I ask.
"No, but there is one kid as tall as me.", he says.
So I told him that he was supposed to be the bully but because he was not doing his job, there was no room for anyone else to do it. Why? Because he could beat the shit out of anyone who tried.
I then went on to explain how bullying actually *IS* is a huge problem elsewhere and he agreed that it was possible. He stopped complaining after that and his school remained peaceful. I am proud of his choices.
Hm. I have to ask: Why is flashing lights at someone necessarily a bad thing?
To be honest, I do it fairly often. A quick flash seems to let people who are on their phones in the fast lane and doing 30% under the speed limit that someone is coming up at them fairly quickly. Granted, flashing your high beams seemingly endlessly is just plain rude but a quick flash seems to wake people up who would otherwise not be paying attention... but then, perhaps it is just the country I am driving in currently. In America, they don't care what lane they are in or what speed you are going, they will stay in the fast lane chatting on their phone as if they were the only person in the whole world.
I was eating once while driving and my girlfriend asked me if I found it hard to drive while I was eating.
My response was, no; although, I sometimes find it difficult to eat while driving.
In other words, the one single most important thing to do while driving is to pay attention to driving. If you can do anything else while driving, then fine, do it. If the thing you are doing while driving requires that you take your attention away from driving then you need to stop, do whatever it is, then go back to driving.
The real problem arises when people start thinking that it is a pain in the ass to stop for a moment just to arrange the hamburger buns and that a moment of inattention to fix them is fine. *CRASH* (sometimes)
when what their user base wanted was yet another rehash of the win 95 desktop layout.
Erm, no. What the user base wanted was control over their desktop and Gnome kept removing more and more of the options for controlling it. Tying itself to systemd and general disrespect to the users was the unrecoverable final termination of any relationship between users and programmers of the Gnome project.
I find it odd that you saw all the yelling and screaming as wanting a rehashed Windows 95 desktop. Are you a Gnome dev or are you deaf too?
It seems to me that the assumption is that an overwhelming majority of coal miners are not suitable for coding... not that absolutely no coal miner can code.
You'll never get americans to give up their guns: they're all too afraid.
It is clear that you are the one who is afraid. You are afraid of other people possessing guns. It would appear that you think that getting rid of guns will reduce gun violence (which is what you are terrified of). It is possible that gun violence may be reduced by telling criminals that they can no longer own guns and that all law abiding citizens will now be unarmed... but that is not the way I would bet.
Serious question: Why don't you become the new maintainer yourself, if you honestly believe you can do a significantly better job at it than the current person(s)?
I am not who you replied to but I think I can give a reasonable answer to this question: If I were to take over every project that I had a strong opinion about and that I thought I could do better, I would not have enough time in my entire life to even touch all of them, much less actually work on them. In such a situation, I would limit myself to discussion to what could have been done differently.
All I know is the organization I work for has prohibited use of C or C++ for mission critical software for years now.
Incompetent design and poor coding practices are what makes C or Assembly insecure. C++ is potentially a minefield though. Little boys should not be playing with power tools or nuclear weapons.
Hm. You seem mighty worked up. Why should anyone get special consideration?
I can think of one reason and one reason only: Because they are interested in the topic.
Nothing else matters, not even gender. All other considerations merely serve to distort the issue.
Is it worthwhile to investigate why certain classes, types, or groups of people are not represented in the programming world? Of course. Is it wise to intentionally distort the situation to appear more like what someone thinks it should appear? Erm, no. Down that pathway lies madness.
I raised a daughter in Colorado and I saw no such social pressures put on her. My daughter was allowed and encouraged to do whatever she wanted. She had no interest in computers other than MySpace and then Facebook... but then, my son has shown no interest either. *shrug* Neither one has any interest in learning how the world works or anything technical at all. I definitely gave both a chance to express such desires numerous times, but nope. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Not a drop of interest from either one. *sigh*
THIS is why Apple gets the patents. MacBook trackpads have no problems with your palm sliding all over the LARGE trackpad and not causing input errors.
This is not necessarily true. I have not done extensive testing but I have found that I have to watch where my palm is in relation to the trackpad on my macbook pro if I do not want random pointer movement. Perhaps newer macbook pros have solved this, I would not know. Mine is 5.1 running snow leopard (roughly a 2010 macbook pro).
There is no need to publicly shame someone, just stop pulling patches from him and/or assign somebody else to fix it. Torvolds lacks class when he does stuff like this.
Fuck class. This is not an aristocratic society full of political correctness and snobbery. This is people doing real work and getting things done. "Class" only reduces the effectiveness.
In short, if you are afraid of knives, get out of the kitchen.
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If someone is skilled at IT, deeply understands computers and networking, and has critical thinking skills, they can get a better job. There are few people like that anywhere. Why would they be sitting around in IT? They should be designing a router.
There are only so many routers that need to be designed.
Really, everyone everywhere should be delving as deeply into this world/reality as they can. Obviously, nobody can learn everything but everyone should realize by now that the Earth is round (ish), voodoo/magic does not work, evolution is occurring, molecules and atoms are basic building blocks (and they are made of even more basic building "blocks"), there are billions of stars in the galaxy we are in and that there are more galaxies out there. Nobody should believe in the Big Bang theory, but everyone should agree that it is the best theory we currently have to explain what we see.
All of this is basic stuff that any person in the 4th grade should be able to see clearly... and yet most do not.
Sorry. I became sidetracked. Not everyone who is knowledgeable can be at the top. Not everyone who has knowledge WANTS to be at the top.
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The fact that MBAs and CIOs are the ones whining make me always suspicious who of course get quoted in all these articles and probably contribute to them. How convenient this propaganda can now be used and passed around to politicians to increase H1B1 visas as a response.
Hm. This is a very real issue regardless of who says it for whatever purposes. While many of the people around me (not most) can troubleshoot their way out of a wet paper bag, incredibly few demonstrate any understanding at all of what is going on around them.
Will foreign talent solve this problem? Not really. Finding the needle in the haystack is tough enough when you share a common culture. Finding that one person who can think critically and logically from a foreign country is even more hopeless.
Unfortunately, there are no certifications/degrees which prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a person is capable of making accurate mental models and has an efficient method of refining and testing those models... and then understanding the implications of the models they have built.
It's turned into a bunch of paranoid libertarians trying to one up each other with how outraged they are.
I am more outraged by the outrage than you are!
lol
Apparently, on September 11th, 2001...
I am not saying I agree or disagree, just answering your question.
Except that the NSA has taken to giving data to the FBI, DEA, and ATF to prosecute people for these "smaller" crimes. Parallel Construction ring a bell?
The NSA was cool when it was about national security. Now that it is "dirtying" itself with petty crime, it is not so cool.
3. Homeless people who lived too close to the edge and became unemployed
Yeah, much of America is on that fine line right now. It must be nice to be nowhere near that line.
Actually, I am not near that line right now but I have been there several times in my life. Life in America is brutal... but in a way, it kind of should be; otherwise, a very large group of people would just sit around and wait for food and shelter to be given to them. Very few people seem to have "the hunter instinct" nowadays.
In America you have to actively refuse help in order to be in continual pain or homeless.
Whoah there cowboy. I am unsure what country you are from but as an American young white homeless male without any felonies, it was impossible to get any help whatsoever. Granted, that was at least a quarter of a century ago but I doubt things have changed that much concerning the homeless.
If I were a felon, there were programs. If I were a woman, there were programs. If I was a minority, there were programs. If I were elderly, there were programs. I was none of those. There were no programs for me. So I starved and froze. Of course, it was not much different than when I actually had a job. I worked 6 days a week but could not really afford food or heat after rent was paid off.
A severe tooth abscess can be handled by the ER if its that bad and no publicly funded ER will turn down you down
Yeah, except that if you ever get a job, your wages will be garnished until the overinflated ER prices are paid off... which means that you pay the ER off before you can start paying for rent and clothes and such. Not very easy to get out of the homeless cycle there.
But what out the following scenario: I get arrested and the cops seize my phone. Some buddy non the lookout sees this and bricks/formats my phone so the cops don't get to see my contact list and textsecure messages.
What? You do not get control of this kill switch and by extension, neither does your friend.
I only have one thing to say to the fuckfaces that did this: FUCK YOU!
You have not made me more safe and you have given another person a way to render my phone useless. Again, FUCK YOU! I am NOT you fucking slave and I WILL chop off your fucking heads you bitches.
Well, the Bugatti Veyron's engine generates 3 thousand horsepower. It can deliver 1 thousand horsepower to the wheels as kinetic force. That leaves 2 thousand horsepower on the table as wasted heat. If you were able to convert 10% of that wasted heat into kinetic force, that would be an extra 200 horsepower. That would be 20% more kinetic force applied to the wheels at no cost (energy wise).
Take it the other way and you get 20% better gas mileage. Still not shabby. Personally, I would go for more horsepower. :)
"And it's nobody's fault. No one was ever truly in charge of OpenSSL, it just sort of became the default landfill for prototypes of cryptographic inventions
Erm, OpenSSL is the continuation of a project by (IIRC) an Australian named Eric A Young. I have been using that code base since it was called SSLeay. The mists of time are not THAT thick yet.
but in no way, shape or form should revenge fantasies like "going Columbine" be casually thrown about as if yeah, that's something reasonable.
It is not that it is reasonable. It is that such unreasonable actions could occur when all reasonable courses of protecting oneself are removed. We have seen it before and while I hope we never see it again, I am betting that we will see it again... for exactly what we see going on here.
Something similar here: My son has always been MUCH larger than everyone in his same age group. In kindergarten, I caught him beating up a boy in the third grade. I grabbed him and took him over to the other boys house after the other boy arrived home and had him apologize in front of the other boy's parents. He stopped being a bully forever after that.
Fast forward to high school and my son comes home complaining loudly one day. He is tired of hearing all of this anti-bullying "crap". They have to watch movies and go to the auditorium and blah blah endlessly and there is no bullying problem!
"Dad, why do I have to keep hearing this crap? I never see ANY bullying anywhere."
So I finally broke it to him, "Son, YOU are the bully. I know, you do not bully anyone but look at yourself. Is there anyone in the 10th grade who is as big as you?"
"No.", he says.
"Is there anyone in the 11th grade that is as big as you?", I ask.
"No, but there is one kid as tall as me.", he says.
So I told him that he was supposed to be the bully but because he was not doing his job, there was no room for anyone else to do it. Why? Because he could beat the shit out of anyone who tried.
I then went on to explain how bullying actually *IS* is a huge problem elsewhere and he agreed that it was possible. He stopped complaining after that and his school remained peaceful. I am proud of his choices.
Hm. I have to ask: Why is flashing lights at someone necessarily a bad thing?
To be honest, I do it fairly often. A quick flash seems to let people who are on their phones in the fast lane and doing 30% under the speed limit that someone is coming up at them fairly quickly. Granted, flashing your high beams seemingly endlessly is just plain rude but a quick flash seems to wake people up who would otherwise not be paying attention... but then, perhaps it is just the country I am driving in currently. In America, they don't care what lane they are in or what speed you are going, they will stay in the fast lane chatting on their phone as if they were the only person in the whole world.
I was eating once while driving and my girlfriend asked me if I found it hard to drive while I was eating.
My response was, no; although, I sometimes find it difficult to eat while driving.
In other words, the one single most important thing to do while driving is to pay attention to driving. If you can do anything else while driving, then fine, do it. If the thing you are doing while driving requires that you take your attention away from driving then you need to stop, do whatever it is, then go back to driving.
The real problem arises when people start thinking that it is a pain in the ass to stop for a moment just to arrange the hamburger buns and that a moment of inattention to fix them is fine. *CRASH* (sometimes)
when what their user base wanted was yet another rehash of the win 95 desktop layout.
Erm, no. What the user base wanted was control over their desktop and Gnome kept removing more and more of the options for controlling it. Tying itself to systemd and general disrespect to the users was the unrecoverable final termination of any relationship between users and programmers of the Gnome project.
I find it odd that you saw all the yelling and screaming as wanting a rehashed Windows 95 desktop. Are you a Gnome dev or are you deaf too?
It seems to me that the assumption is that an overwhelming majority of coal miners are not suitable for coding... not that absolutely no coal miner can code.
You'll never get americans to give up their guns: they're all too afraid.
It is clear that you are the one who is afraid. You are afraid of other people possessing guns. It would appear that you think that getting rid of guns will reduce gun violence (which is what you are terrified of). It is possible that gun violence may be reduced by telling criminals that they can no longer own guns and that all law abiding citizens will now be unarmed... but that is not the way I would bet.
Serious question: Why don't you become the new maintainer yourself, if you honestly believe you can do a significantly better job at it than the current person(s)?
I am not who you replied to but I think I can give a reasonable answer to this question: If I were to take over every project that I had a strong opinion about and that I thought I could do better, I would not have enough time in my entire life to even touch all of them, much less actually work on them. In such a situation, I would limit myself to discussion to what could have been done differently.
All I know is the organization I work for has prohibited use of C or C++ for mission critical software for years now.
Incompetent design and poor coding practices are what makes C or Assembly insecure. C++ is potentially a minefield though. Little boys should not be playing with power tools or nuclear weapons.
Hm. You seem mighty worked up. Why should anyone get special consideration?
I can think of one reason and one reason only: Because they are interested in the topic.
Nothing else matters, not even gender. All other considerations merely serve to distort the issue.
Is it worthwhile to investigate why certain classes, types, or groups of people are not represented in the programming world? Of course. Is it wise to intentionally distort the situation to appear more like what someone thinks it should appear? Erm, no. Down that pathway lies madness.
I raised a daughter in Colorado and I saw no such social pressures put on her. My daughter was allowed and encouraged to do whatever she wanted. She had no interest in computers other than MySpace and then Facebook... but then, my son has shown no interest either. *shrug* Neither one has any interest in learning how the world works or anything technical at all. I definitely gave both a chance to express such desires numerous times, but nope. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Not a drop of interest from either one. *sigh*
Very rare... *sigh* but yet another +7 insightful post.
THIS is why Apple gets the patents. MacBook trackpads have no problems with your palm sliding all over the LARGE trackpad and not causing input errors.
This is not necessarily true. I have not done extensive testing but I have found that I have to watch where my palm is in relation to the trackpad on my macbook pro if I do not want random pointer movement. Perhaps newer macbook pros have solved this, I would not know. Mine is 5.1 running snow leopard (roughly a 2010 macbook pro).
There is no need to publicly shame someone, just stop pulling patches from him and/or assign somebody else to fix it. Torvolds lacks class when he does stuff like this.
Fuck class. This is not an aristocratic society full of political correctness and snobbery. This is people doing real work and getting things done. "Class" only reduces the effectiveness.
In short, if you are afraid of knives, get out of the kitchen.