I don't mean to get into an argument, but why don't you try to actually play the game and then see if you like it. I just tried canabalt at your recommendation. I see what you mean by the art style in that game, but I found it to be not fun for me. Of course everyone else enjoys games differently for different reasons, so why criticize a game for its graphics, especially one that you have not played?
I found starguard to be funner, I felt like playing it longer than canabalt when I tried both games out just now, and I want to play it again. But everyone is different, why can't both games exist without the need to bash one or the other?
They did allow multiple submissions per scene, and say they plan to have some sort of rating system to see which makes the final cut, and to keep the alternates so people can watch it differently. Its in the FAQ on their site, which has more text than all of the rest of the site as far as I could see.
Har. Im part of the 1% or 5% or whatever of browser users out there that use Opera as my primary browser (and chrome and Firefox for other uses, IE never except for manually doing windows updates). But I did disable opera's built-in torrent client, because I prefer a stand-alone.
I think Opera doesn't have a problem of getting bad press, it has a problem of getting no press. As a lightweight fully functional speedy web browser that constantly innovates, its excellent.
On a side note, Opera has an IRC client built-in that I did not know about until one day I needed to get on IRC right away. That was another in a long list of pleasant and useful surprises Opera has thrown my way.
"The decision makes Aion, which recently announced over 400,000 western pre-orders, a real contender in the western MMO market."
I think having over 400,000 pre-orders in the western market makes it a contender, not the decision to remove their DRM. But hey, I don't assume the general population has the same slashdot groupthink mentality that I may have.
But the license fee is not the manufactured cost. It cost x dollars to manufacture, and now it is being sold for 4x dollars. If it costs x + 5 dollars (the 5 being an arbitrary license fee) then why does it not cost 4x + 5 dollars to the consumer? Again, I am not an economist.
Today one example is DVD players. We have cheap DVD players because the patent licensing is not being enforced. The license fee per DVD player is $5, which would translate to around $50 at the retail level.
I am not an economist or manufacturing and retail specialist so please explain how a $5 fee paid one time translates to $50 dollars at the retail level, and not something closer to $5?
Do the approvers of article submissions RTFA? The article says this pogo stick has been able to clear a bar 42 inches high. How does that become 9 feet jumps? I know, the article says that the high jump competitors this year are going to probably be able to clear a 9 foot bar.
Clearing a 9-foot bar with your whole body (and presumably landing on your back on a mat or something) != != != != != a pogo stick bouncing 9 feet. The signal to noise ratio on Slashdot is becoming increasingly bad in my opinion. Things getting worse include articles, article titles and summaries, and comments, as this has become more of a humor forum than a discussion of cool nerdy shit from cool nerdy people. Humor is good, but absence of meaningful comments is not good, in my opinion (for this site that is.)
You bring up several valid points and issues that are ripe for discussion on the issue of ownnership of non-tangible things. (Digital information is non-tangible, its existence while being dependent on some sort of physical media for storage is also wholly independent of that physical media, meaning it is not tied to it, it can be moved or copied to other physical media.)
My point is that a discussion like this is way beyond the scope of a mandatory training that has to be done by more than one million people (I do not know the exact size of the US Department of Defense but it is large) on good (security wise) computer practices for users. Yes, it is a gross simplification to say "downloading music is stealing" because there are hundreds of instances where it clearly is not, and many other instances where it is ambiguous, but I think the point that was trying to be made (and made pretty badly) is stay away from sites that offer music for download as there is a good chance that for your average person's taste in music it is an illegal website, and is likely hosting malware and infect visitor's computers with viruses, malware and rootkits.
Taken completely out of context and brought to a heightened level of irrational literal interpretation, the summary is accurate. However...........
"According to the material, the correct response to an employee who is downloading music is to shout 'That's stealing!' The actual question in the slideshow/training abomination is along the lines of your fellow co-worker calls you over and says "look bra, I found a site with free music, lol im leet". There are 4 answers to choose from:
1. I'd rather download the music from home - -email me the link. (I would choose this, and tell my coworker that he could get in trouble doing this at work, anywhere from wasting company time, committing criminal acts at work (if it is actually some sort of pirate site, and lets be honest freely available music is mostly (but not entirely) not worth my time) or at worst inviting security problems into the workplace computer.
2. "Is it safe to download?" Umm, if you have to ask then you don't know already (or have a hunch at least) and are trusting some random Jim Bom on this.
3. "Since we're on our lunch hour, I see no harm. HEre's my thumb drie!" Obviously the wrong answer with the thumb drive part added in for extra obviousness
4. "That's stealing." Ok, so they simplified the answer from "that is probably stealing, who owns the distribution rights to these songs you are getting from this website? If the owners of the publishing rights do not consent to giving away these materials freely then a crime is being committed, otherwise it is ok to access this site but not from work, because of the above reasons".
I took this.....I dont know what you'd call it, class, course, button masher until I get to the print certificate screen, because it was required of me where I work. Most of the info for securing information systems in this presentation is solid and correct for the USER side of things, i.e. things the everday user of a computer on a network can and should do to minimize (not eliminate as that is not possible) security breaches at their particular Department of Defense associated workplace.
Now excuse me, I need to go participate in the lynching of my co-worker that downloaded the newest whatever is popular pop song at work.
RTS games have not evolved past the original starcraft in popularity or competitiveness. There is no RTS more competitive out there, or to put it another way there is no RTS out there designed in a way to award skill to such a high level, and to give room for the level of skill to rise to higher and higher peaks, as the original starcraft. It is still going strong as a competitive tournament game 10 years after its release. There was a tournament in korea 2 weeks ago (1 of 3 concurrent tournaments televised on korean national television) where the top placed guy got 40 grand or something like that. How comepetitive did Rise of Nations become? How balanced was it? Was there a super strat that developed that anyone serious about winning absolutely had to use, because it was better than others? Do people still play it? Thats what gives the Blizzard devs some hubris, they made a game that for a competitive rts is nearly perfect.
That I agree with. Also the style and character of the Starcraft 1 cinematics to me were a highwater mark. This is just a demo presentation of a game that probably wont be out until 2012 so I will reserve critique and judgement a little bit.
Apples and Oranges buddy. The difference is the Diablo 3 trailer was not using pre-rendered graphics, instead was on display was using the in game engine. (Or the worst. graphics. renderer. ever.) The Warcraft 3 cinematic you linked to is a pre-rendered movie saved as a movie file that is played using whatever the WC3 movie player is.
Pre-rendered cinematics are nice, especially the ones made by Blizzard, and there will probably be some in the game, but I expect Diablo 3 to continue the trend that they used in WC3 to tell as much of the story with scripted cinematic events that make use of the game engine and don't have to break the contnuity of the game. And save money on production costs.
Competition. If ISP A is only going to give you 1 IP address because they want to hoard and monetize these IPv6 Addresses, then ISP B is going to offer you oh, 16 million IPs lets say, for the same price, to get you to come to them. 16 million? Thats an insane amount you say, well the ISP can just pull it out of their bucket of gazillions of IP addresses that is their slice of the FUCKING HUGE BEYOND COMPREHENSION IPv6 address space.
$300 is not low enough to get people to buy it, especially if people already have PS3s.
Umm..... are you and I in different consumer planes of existence? If I had a PS3 why would I be purchasing a PS3 for myself? To be the cool guy with the slimline version? No thank you, I will pass. If you meant people that already have Xbox360s then your comment makes more sense, to me.
This comment is half heresy because I was born and raised in the USA by Romanian parents. What I understand is during the Communist era of the Soviet Union and Soviet Bloc countries, education was greatly elevated. The thinking behind this was that the Communist countries would use the brainpower of their people to propel themselves above the degenerate West. (Its ironic that at least here in the US the opposite philosophy was followed, we make our people too dumb to notice there is a fundamental problem with our education system and then import talent from other countries when needed.)
Teachers in these countries were expected to be subject matter experts at all levels of instruction, and not just yahoos with lesson plans and an inability to see multiple solutions to a problem (I am speaking from my personal experience with the American public education system here. The fundamental difference comes down to teaching how to find methods to approach and solve different problems vs teaching a method to solve a single problem and requiring little or no understanding of the underlying concepts at play. At least so I am told. It does explain some things.
The descendants of people in this system (I hear at least in Romania the schools are not what they used to be) are reaping the benefits, and over here in the USA kids are worried about being safe in school, getting shot, or being ostracized by their peers for somehow being smart or trying hard (and being punished by the system for the same).
Read the form that is classified that actually allows you access to sensitive materials, not the one that earns you a clearance making you elgible to have access to sensitive materials.
Speaking from experience its amazing what sort of bodily transformation can happen in 2 short months. But they do have some standards for letting people in. They let people that are over the weight/body fat percentage in, because boot camp will reduce that drasticly, but there is a limit to how fat you can be before they take a chance. And if you havent made it by the 8th week, you are recycled back a few weeks. The physical part is much easier to build up. Go see any graduating class at boot camp and compare that to what they looked like 8 weeks before. And be especially amazed by Marine transformations, they go through 12 weeks of hell instead of 8 weeks of tough shit.
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I like watching competetive starcraft matches much more than playing it. In South Korea, there are 12 professional starcraft teams of 7-14 members each, that play one another in the team pro-league. On top of that there are 3 single player tournament leagues (OSL - Ongamenet Starleague, MSL - MBC Starleague, and GomTV Invitational) that run pretty much concurrently. The games are televised, the best players make a decent living when you take their team base salary + tournament winnings + sponsorships into account (6 figure salaries for the better ones) and the level of play is unbelievable, because they have to practice 8-12 hours a day to keep their skills at a competitive level.
You can check out english broadcasts of games at gomtv.net as they hired an American to do live English commentary of their tournaments. There is a nice archive of games. However the Gomtv tournament is newer and not the best quality wise(as in the best players focus their practice on the other tournaments and their team proleague events). There are fans on youtube that take the korean broadcasts of games and tournaments and dub themselves over the korean commentary. Check out the youtube user account "violetak" or "klazartsc" if interested, there are more than a dozen more other people doing regular commentary and uploading to youtube, mostly of the Korean scene as it is superior, but also of the "foreign" scene (which in this case means any player not residing in Korea).
Ive played Defense Grid and to me it doesn't feel too similar. Defense Grid is basicly nothing but a "towers defense" game. For me DK2 was more about the training and then slow offensive push of workers breaking into new passages and rooms taking territory backed up by multiple varieties of my monsters (and the humans/elves/dwarves I had impisoned and tortured into joining my side), throwing spells where possible, and having traps to back me up. Still haven't played a game quite like it. Slapping the workers to make them work faster was a nice touch. The game had tons of nice touch. Jeez, my nostalgia is making me want to play it now, gonna go look for it.
Thank you for the suggestion. I will check this one out again. I tried it once, but didn't have the time to learn how to play.
Wow, that brings back memories, having to learn how to play a game instead of the game either a) being really simple and intuitive (possible because of how simple it is) or b) being a copy of a popular type of game.
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I agree with you on both these points.
I don't mean to get into an argument, but why don't you try to actually play the game and then see if you like it. I just tried canabalt at your recommendation. I see what you mean by the art style in that game, but I found it to be not fun for me. Of course everyone else enjoys games differently for different reasons, so why criticize a game for its graphics, especially one that you have not played?
I found starguard to be funner, I felt like playing it longer than canabalt when I tried both games out just now, and I want to play it again. But everyone is different, why can't both games exist without the need to bash one or the other?
They did allow multiple submissions per scene, and say they plan to have some sort of rating system to see which makes the final cut, and to keep the alternates so people can watch it differently. Its in the FAQ on their site, which has more text than all of the rest of the site as far as I could see.
Har. Im part of the 1% or 5% or whatever of browser users out there that use Opera as my primary browser (and chrome and Firefox for other uses, IE never except for manually doing windows updates). But I did disable opera's built-in torrent client, because I prefer a stand-alone. I think Opera doesn't have a problem of getting bad press, it has a problem of getting no press. As a lightweight fully functional speedy web browser that constantly innovates, its excellent. On a side note, Opera has an IRC client built-in that I did not know about until one day I needed to get on IRC right away. That was another in a long list of pleasant and useful surprises Opera has thrown my way.
Maybe when someone codes an in-browser bit-torrent client things will go better
You mean like Opera? http://www.opera.com/browser/features/
"The decision makes Aion, which recently announced over 400,000 western pre-orders, a real contender in the western MMO market."
I think having over 400,000 pre-orders in the western market makes it a contender, not the decision to remove their DRM. But hey, I don't assume the general population has the same slashdot groupthink mentality that I may have.
But the license fee is not the manufactured cost. It cost x dollars to manufacture, and now it is being sold for 4x dollars. If it costs x + 5 dollars (the 5 being an arbitrary license fee) then why does it not cost 4x + 5 dollars to the consumer? Again, I am not an economist.
Today one example is DVD players. We have cheap DVD players because the patent licensing is not being enforced. The license fee per DVD player is $5, which would translate to around $50 at the retail level.
I am not an economist or manufacturing and retail specialist so please explain how a $5 fee paid one time translates to $50 dollars at the retail level, and not something closer to $5?
Do the approvers of article submissions RTFA? The article says this pogo stick has been able to clear a bar 42 inches high. How does that become 9 feet jumps? I know, the article says that the high jump competitors this year are going to probably be able to clear a 9 foot bar.
Clearing a 9-foot bar with your whole body (and presumably landing on your back on a mat or something) != != != != != a pogo stick bouncing 9 feet. The signal to noise ratio on Slashdot is becoming increasingly bad in my opinion. Things getting worse include articles, article titles and summaries, and comments, as this has become more of a humor forum than a discussion of cool nerdy shit from cool nerdy people. Humor is good, but absence of meaningful comments is not good, in my opinion (for this site that is.)
You bring up several valid points and issues that are ripe for discussion on the issue of ownnership of non-tangible things. (Digital information is non-tangible, its existence while being dependent on some sort of physical media for storage is also wholly independent of that physical media, meaning it is not tied to it, it can be moved or copied to other physical media.)
My point is that a discussion like this is way beyond the scope of a mandatory training that has to be done by more than one million people (I do not know the exact size of the US Department of Defense but it is large) on good (security wise) computer practices for users. Yes, it is a gross simplification to say "downloading music is stealing" because there are hundreds of instances where it clearly is not, and many other instances where it is ambiguous, but I think the point that was trying to be made (and made pretty badly) is stay away from sites that offer music for download as there is a good chance that for your average person's taste in music it is an illegal website, and is likely hosting malware and infect visitor's computers with viruses, malware and rootkits.
Taken completely out of context and brought to a heightened level of irrational literal interpretation, the summary is accurate. However...........
"According to the material, the correct response to an employee who is downloading music is to shout 'That's stealing!' The actual question in the slideshow/training abomination is along the lines of your fellow co-worker calls you over and says "look bra, I found a site with free music, lol im leet". There are 4 answers to choose from:
1. I'd rather download the music from home - -email me the link. (I would choose this, and tell my coworker that he could get in trouble doing this at work, anywhere from wasting company time, committing criminal acts at work (if it is actually some sort of pirate site, and lets be honest freely available music is mostly (but not entirely) not worth my time) or at worst inviting security problems into the workplace computer.
2. "Is it safe to download?" Umm, if you have to ask then you don't know already (or have a hunch at least) and are trusting some random Jim Bom on this.
3. "Since we're on our lunch hour, I see no harm. HEre's my thumb drie!" Obviously the wrong answer with the thumb drive part added in for extra obviousness
4. "That's stealing." Ok, so they simplified the answer from "that is probably stealing, who owns the distribution rights to these songs you are getting from this website? If the owners of the publishing rights do not consent to giving away these materials freely then a crime is being committed, otherwise it is ok to access this site but not from work, because of the above reasons".
I took this.....I dont know what you'd call it, class, course, button masher until I get to the print certificate screen, because it was required of me where I work. Most of the info for securing information systems in this presentation is solid and correct for the USER side of things, i.e. things the everday user of a computer on a network can and should do to minimize (not eliminate as that is not possible) security breaches at their particular Department of Defense associated workplace. Now excuse me, I need to go participate in the lynching of my co-worker that downloaded the newest whatever is popular pop song at work.
RTS games have not evolved past the original starcraft in popularity or competitiveness. There is no RTS more competitive out there, or to put it another way there is no RTS out there designed in a way to award skill to such a high level, and to give room for the level of skill to rise to higher and higher peaks, as the original starcraft. It is still going strong as a competitive tournament game 10 years after its release. There was a tournament in korea 2 weeks ago (1 of 3 concurrent tournaments televised on korean national television) where the top placed guy got 40 grand or something like that. How comepetitive did Rise of Nations become? How balanced was it? Was there a super strat that developed that anyone serious about winning absolutely had to use, because it was better than others? Do people still play it? Thats what gives the Blizzard devs some hubris, they made a game that for a competitive rts is nearly perfect.
That I agree with. Also the style and character of the Starcraft 1 cinematics to me were a highwater mark. This is just a demo presentation of a game that probably wont be out until 2012 so I will reserve critique and judgement a little bit.
Pre-rendered cinematics are nice, especially the ones made by Blizzard, and there will probably be some in the game, but I expect Diablo 3 to continue the trend that they used in WC3 to tell as much of the story with scripted cinematic events that make use of the game engine and don't have to break the contnuity of the game. And save money on production costs.
Competition. If ISP A is only going to give you 1 IP address because they want to hoard and monetize these IPv6 Addresses, then ISP B is going to offer you oh, 16 million IPs lets say, for the same price, to get you to come to them. 16 million? Thats an insane amount you say, well the ISP can just pull it out of their bucket of gazillions of IP addresses that is their slice of the FUCKING HUGE BEYOND COMPREHENSION IPv6 address space.
$300 is not low enough to get people to buy it, especially if people already have PS3s.
Umm..... are you and I in different consumer planes of existence? If I had a PS3 why would I be purchasing a PS3 for myself? To be the cool guy with the slimline version? No thank you, I will pass. If you meant people that already have Xbox360s then your comment makes more sense, to me.
Teachers in these countries were expected to be subject matter experts at all levels of instruction, and not just yahoos with lesson plans and an inability to see multiple solutions to a problem (I am speaking from my personal experience with the American public education system here. The fundamental difference comes down to teaching how to find methods to approach and solve different problems vs teaching a method to solve a single problem and requiring little or no understanding of the underlying concepts at play. At least so I am told. It does explain some things.
The descendants of people in this system (I hear at least in Romania the schools are not what they used to be) are reaping the benefits, and over here in the USA kids are worried about being safe in school, getting shot, or being ostracized by their peers for somehow being smart or trying hard (and being punished by the system for the same).
My 2 cents.
Read the form that is classified that actually allows you access to sensitive materials, not the one that earns you a clearance making you elgible to have access to sensitive materials.
Speaking from experience its amazing what sort of bodily transformation can happen in 2 short months. But they do have some standards for letting people in. They let people that are over the weight/body fat percentage in, because boot camp will reduce that drasticly, but there is a limit to how fat you can be before they take a chance. And if you havent made it by the 8th week, you are recycled back a few weeks. The physical part is much easier to build up. Go see any graduating class at boot camp and compare that to what they looked like 8 weeks before. And be especially amazed by Marine transformations, they go through 12 weeks of hell instead of 8 weeks of tough shit.
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I like watching competetive starcraft matches much more than playing it. In South Korea, there are 12 professional starcraft teams of 7-14 members each, that play one another in the team pro-league. On top of that there are 3 single player tournament leagues (OSL - Ongamenet Starleague, MSL - MBC Starleague, and GomTV Invitational) that run pretty much concurrently. The games are televised, the best players make a decent living when you take their team base salary + tournament winnings + sponsorships into account (6 figure salaries for the better ones) and the level of play is unbelievable, because they have to practice 8-12 hours a day to keep their skills at a competitive level.
You can check out english broadcasts of games at gomtv.net as they hired an American to do live English commentary of their tournaments. There is a nice archive of games. However the Gomtv tournament is newer and not the best quality wise(as in the best players focus their practice on the other tournaments and their team proleague events). There are fans on youtube that take the korean broadcasts of games and tournaments and dub themselves over the korean commentary. Check out the youtube user account "violetak" or "klazartsc" if interested, there are more than a dozen more other people doing regular commentary and uploading to youtube, mostly of the Korean scene as it is superior, but also of the "foreign" scene (which in this case means any player not residing in Korea).
Ive played Defense Grid and to me it doesn't feel too similar. Defense Grid is basicly nothing but a "towers defense" game. For me DK2 was more about the training and then slow offensive push of workers breaking into new passages and rooms taking territory backed up by multiple varieties of my monsters (and the humans/elves/dwarves I had impisoned and tortured into joining my side), throwing spells where possible, and having traps to back me up. Still haven't played a game quite like it. Slapping the workers to make them work faster was a nice touch. The game had tons of nice touch. Jeez, my nostalgia is making me want to play it now, gonna go look for it.
Thank you for the suggestion. I will check this one out again. I tried it once, but didn't have the time to learn how to play.
Wow, that brings back memories, having to learn how to play a game instead of the game either a) being really simple and intuitive (possible because of how simple it is) or b) being a copy of a popular type of game.
Dungeon Keeper 3? Or any game like DK1 and DK2? If such a game exists, someone please enlighten me.