All I can say about that link, and 'houstonbofh (602064)'s link, is Damn! Glad I'm not an epileptic prone to Gran Mal seizures from flashy lights!
This has not been noticeable here in Stillwater, OK yet. At least in my experience, thankfully. (it's hell getting old and what it does to eyesight, among other effects)
It is getting more difficult every year driving at night as I age (pupils do not react as quick-night blindness) without this kind of 'advancement'.
*grumble, grumble-shakes walker defiantly* I think this is where I am supposed to say: "Hey you kids!...Get off my lawn!", but that's not really my style...well, mostly not!:-) As they say: YMMV!
And before I get flamed, allow me to say that I am all for progress, new tech, etc....Life (and all it entails) is dynamic; constantly changing, growing, evolving. My Grandfather (yes-capitalized because he was that important to me) used to tell me that a strong running river or stream/creek grows few mosquitoes, but a stagnant pool breeds many. That concept can be applied to many, if not most areas of our lives. Or at least it has worked for me!:-)
"Shouldn't be long until "whitey" and "cracka" disappear from the tags list, then."
And none too soon, IMHO!
Racism, prejudice, and bigotry are sooo last millennium. Should have been done away with long ago if we were truly the 'intelligent species' we claimed to be.
"The problem here IMHO is they are looking to drop the hammer on this guy NOT for what he did, but for the fact that he made all their security look like the POS that it is."
And that's the crux of the matter, put very succinctly.
"Where the hell did they get their security guys from, Remington College?"
Redmond College (MS), maybe?...look for evidence of ballistic chairs? (I thoroughly despise the 'fixed that for ya' meme-not my place to spin-doctor any but my own words.)
Well, in the firearms manufacturing industry it is called Proof Testing, and is a good thing.
But you might still want to don some protective gear, maybe find a fallout shelter, etc....*alarms sound* Warning! Servers going critical! Eject the warp core immediately! Warning! Servers g
Sheesh! This is getting as/more ridiculous as/than the SCO vs. IBM trial.
If not for the major implications riding on this whole subject, this would be as entertaining as watching 'The Three Stooges' all over again. Ludicrous!
Hmm...Is Daryl pimping out his lawyer pack to the RIAA to raise cash? Or was it just coincidence that both bunches were dredged up from the same slime pool?
'What goes around, comes around.' I hope this works here!
You, and several others above have been insidiously trying to inject the truth, and *shudder* reasoned comments into the Usual Poo-fling Fest on/.
You are coming dangerously close to upsetting the poise needed to knee-jerk until our noses flatten into a bloody pulp and make us seem even more silly than we actually are.
If you do not cease and desist we will have to take extreme measures against you:
a) Add two digits to your/. UID b) Forcefully install Microsoft Bob on your PC...FROM FLOPPIES c) Sentence you to wearing Groucho glasses in public every Tuesday d) Send the Mighty Tux to your place to heinously molest your cat while you are at work e) Set 4chan as your browser's homepage
Well, your post caused a disturbing mental picture....
RMS taking over Ballmer's job at MS.
No More Flying Chairs!!11!
P.S. Though look out for the crazy greybearded man running around with a katana, frothing at the mouth and shouting:"Mobilze the HURD! Time to attack!"
No, we're here...laughing while we peruse/. while still getting our work done on our speedy *nix machines.:-)
These 'My Windows PC is Slow!!, what can I do?' type articles are like reading the funny papers....not to taken seriously, just amusing and entertaining.
This fiasco has been going on for years, just like a soap opera. Nothing really ever changes, except the name of the OS to protect the guilty. (my apologies to the Dragnet TV series)
Besides, why kick the guy when he's already down? It's not important enough to me anymore to care about rubbing his nose in it.
Like an old saying I've heard many times: 'you've made your bed, now lie in it'.
I respectfully disagree with specific parts of your comment, but I also agree with what seems to be the overall intent. (ie: it is not always an easy 'black or white' issue, and community/peer/'boss' pressures can influence decisions)
"Soldiers, at least non-officers, are trained through very intense programs to always obey orders without question. They are not taught to get in arguments over their orders. What's more, they can face charges for refusing an order."
Lawful orders, yes. Unlawful orders, no. All covered by the UCMJ. (we were all issued a pocket sized copy in Basic.)
"I get real tired of people who are willing to tell others in tough situations how they "should" act. Think it's that easy? Try it then. Enlist, go through basic, see the kind of mental and physical conditioning soldiers are subjected to. See what the culture and rules are like. Then see if you think it's so easy to just say "Nope, don't like that order, not going to do it."
Been there, done that, got the 'salad' on my Class A's to prove it, but I could not have said it any better and agree with you wholeheartedly!:-)
"...or that the people in charge shouldn't be held accountable. I'm saying that the people who were simply obeying orders can't."
Here I have to strongly disagree. The 'simply obeying orders' bit has not worked since the Nuremburg Trials. It reared it's ugly head during the war in Vietnam for us when we had to deal with the Mai Lai Massacre, and did not work there. (that was still a gaping wound in the US military community when I enlisted in 1977) Now we have Gitmo, and it should not work here either.*
I guess we still have not learned this lesson adequately, or this discussion would not even exist today about Gitmo.
*We should track these orders to the source, and put them on trial...then follow the chain of command down to the torturer themselves. Like cutting out a cancer.
I've seen guys: freeze up and then panic freeze, and stay frozen panic, and stay panicked panic and pray coolly 'just deal with it' nervous, but 'just deal with it' (surprisingly, this is the seemingly most common in my experience-good training at work, I guess) get pissed off
and many other reactions
For me personally, I was too busy dealing with the enemy and staying alive to do anything else, much less pray to some deity I don't believe in.
Now, I have never experienced being on the receiving end of an artillery bombardment, or bombing by airstrike...those that have done so, they mostly claim that is a trying and harrowing experience that can breakdown the best of men. I can't even begin to imagine that type of experience.*shudder* So, YMMV as they say.
I know this may not be what you were expecting, but hope this helps.:-)
First off, I agree with the principles and concepts in your comment, so this is not an attack on you or your comment.
Try this: insert the word 'lawful' before the word 'orders' in both your comment and all of the other comments here. See the difference and clarity?
I may seem like a pedantic nit-picker, but it does make a huge difference in this discussion.
For example, compare these two: 1.]"...wartime refusal to obey orders could result in summary execution..." == depends on the order given.
2.]...wartime refusal to obey lawful orders could result in summary execution...==yes!
An important distinction if you are the one being 'ordered', don't you think?
BTW, the 'lawful order' phrase is pounded into your head during training repeatedly. I was even issued a pocket sized version of the Uniform Code of Military Justice in boot camp.
" If a given order is believed to be unconstitutional, the soldier has a duty to disobey it." Most definitely, but as you said-it can be problematic.
For those interested, the oath enlisted troops take is different than the officer's oath:
"A) follow orders" That should be 'follow lawful orders'....and yes, all through training the 'lawful' part is stressed.
"B) not worry about the ramifications..." No, you are completely wrong here. I will admit this happens in the heat of the moment, but it is not part of the training. During training you are repeatedly beat over the head (figuratively) with 'The Book'.* Hell, Uncle Sam even issued us a pocket sized version we could carry on us.
*'The Book'==UCMJ(Uniform Code of Military Justice)
As for Lotus Notes, I truly despise that evil mess. I would still rather use it than MS Office, even though it is: Slow Butt Ugly(tm) Bug infested Chaotic, horrendous UI Did I mention slow? ad nauseum For me, it is still easier for me to use than MS Office.
"It turns out I had to find an archived version of the PowerPoint 97 viewer in order to let my wife load the file. So Microsoft already doesn't support their own formats, and this is using their software, paid for."
I hear you. This very example seems to be a good reason to have an OpenOffice.org install on a Windows machine.
My wife refuses to give up XP+MS Office, and frequently runs into this very problem. (she works for, and with a lot of non-profit organizations who frequently upgrade software at low priority due to budgets)
The first time this happened to her, we were both puzzled. I finally tracked it down: the document was written in Office '97- she was using Office XP==not compatible! WTF?!?!?
Hmmm...let me try OpenOffice.org..... The document opened and rendered fine with OO.0rg. I then installed OO.org on her PC, and she loves it! (but only for this purpose *sigh*)
I have only used MS Office (Word) once, gave up on it after a very frustrating half hour, then went back to OO.org to 'Just Get It Done!' (been using OO.org/Star Office since 1996)
Hell, I'd rather use Lotus Notes than MS Office, but that's me.
No pretending to it. Hell, I was shooting 1000 yard matches competitively in the 1970-1990 years, and know exactly what a.308 Win. can do.
"Well, for reliable sniping at 1000 yards you will want something ballistically superior to the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Winchester) round/M110 package. Ignore this part?
Hint: I was sticking strictly to Mil-Spec issued weapons/rounds, not custom BR rifles/ammo*. You know...staying on topic of the iTouch rig for the M110/7.62x51 NATO.
* Yes, Yes, I too loaded my personal.308 Win. with my developed handloads that enabled easy 1000+ yard shots. ("if you can ever call 1000 easy"- tricky, very tricky- my use of easy here means that the rifle/ammo was capable of sub 1/2 M.O.A. @ 1000+ yd. shots reliably)
My favorite groundhog load was a 150gr. Nosler Ballistic tip ahead of 52gr. Hogden's H110 powder, CCI BR-2 primer, in W-W cases. A very hot load, but safe in my rifle, giving sub 1/4 M.O.A. accuracy day in and day out.
Deer hunting, I stuck with Sierra 165 gr BTST Game Kings, pushed to 2600-2630 F.P.S. MV @ 10 ft., same primer, and whatever cases I culled from my target cases, or pick up here and there.
But for 1000 yard matches(when I used a.308), I used the Sierra 168gr. BTHP, IMR-4350 powder (don't recall the charge, but it was VERY consistent @ 2910-2935 F.P.S. @ 10 ft. from the muzzle by my chronograph), same primer, and Lake City Match brass. 10 round groups with this load/rifle stayed under 13" @ 1000 yards if I did my part. It may have been capable of better accuracy with a better shooter, but that was my limit.:-)
And FYI, I'm perfectly aware of that(.50 cal. BMG) also...see 'Hint:' above.
Thanks for the update. When I was in (US Army 1977-1980), we were restricted to either standard ball(used mostly for practice), and Lake City Match ammo(recommended). We could not use the Sierra Match King bullet(my personal favorite for the.308/.30-06) since it fell in the 'dum-dum' expanding projectile category. Also at that time there were no 5.56 NATO (.223) cartridge/rifle packages that could stay supersonic to 1000 yards.
With the.223, the MEKR (Maximum Effective Killing Range) was 400 meters paired with the M-16.(the only weapon issued for this round at that time)
The MEKR for the.308 was 800 meters in the M-24 and M-14, but extended to 1000 meters used in the M-60 SAW.
The way it broke down for us: 0-700 yards=.308 Win. 600-1500 yards=.300 Win. Magnum (IIRC, a 180gr.BTSP-can't recall the MV) 1400+ yards= clamp the Unertl to a M2 HB BMG
Note: I was deliberately sticking to Mil-Spec/issue ammo/rifle combo's, but was aware of the possibility to handload non-Mil-Spec bullets to velocities to acheive 1000+ yard supersonic flight.
I shot competitively in the 1970-early 1990's, also shot on the US Army rifle team, and handloaded my own civilian rounds for competition, fun, and sport.
"...the AR15 platform in.223 has taken the Farr Trophy..." What rate of twist is used in this barrel?
Again, thanks for the update. I had no idea I was this far out of date! Gotta go now, interesting research on this subject needs done ASAP! And yes, yes, lots of field trials.:-)
Yes, exactly like that! (impressive shot by any measure)
And it was Hathcock's USMC armorer that modified a claw mount to attatch the scope to the M-2 HB BMG's reciever, not Carlos himself. This was a common practice until the.50 caliber sniper rifles became prevalent. (I was issued a 10x50 Unertl target scope in a claw mount for this very purpose)
Well, for reliable sniping at 1000 yards you will want something ballistically superior to the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Winchester) round/M110 package. The.308 Win. bullet transitions from supersonic to subsonic around 625-700 yards, causing the bullet to become unstable and seriously degrading accuracy to unacceptable levels for a sniper/target shooter.
That's what the cartridge/rifle packages in the 7mm-8mm magnums (which includes the venerable.300 Winchester and Weatherby Magnums) are best suited for, which cover 1000 yards quite nicely.:-)
Over 1500-1600 yards is the realm of the BMG.50 caliber/rifle packages.
From what I understand, Mars can get very windy...winds meeting/exceeding tornado/hurricane speeds here. But due to the 'thinness' of Mars' atmosphere, it would enable you to fly a kite instead of seek heavy shelter.
My 'Pulled_From_My_Ass' numbers are based loosely (Heh! this is/. - should it be losely?) from here. (see:Effect of dust storms:"The low density of the Martian atmosphere means that winds of 40 to 50 mph (18 to 22 m/s) are needed to lift dust from the surface, but since Mars is so dry, the dust can stay in the atmosphere far longer than on Earth, where it is soon washed out by rain."
Too lazy to find out if I'm too ignorant to do the math at the moment....and a car analogy doesn't come to mind at the moment.
Back when the movie was made, there were still enough older refrigerators still hanging on, that occasionally one would turn up abandoned instead of disposed of properly.
These older fridges had a mechanical latch on the handle to keep the door closed. We haven't always had magnetic seals; this used to be a bigger problem than now.
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All I can say about that link, and 'houstonbofh (602064)'s link, is Damn! Glad I'm not an epileptic prone to Gran Mal seizures from flashy lights!
This has not been noticeable here in Stillwater, OK yet. At least in my experience, thankfully. (it's hell getting old and what it does to eyesight, among other effects)
It is getting more difficult every year driving at night as I age (pupils do not react as quick-night blindness) without this kind of 'advancement'.
*grumble, grumble-shakes walker defiantly* :-) As they say: YMMV!
I think this is where I am supposed to say: "Hey you kids!...Get off my lawn!", but that's not really my style...well, mostly not!
And before I get flamed, allow me to say that I am all for progress, new tech, etc....Life (and all it entails) is dynamic; constantly changing, growing, evolving. :-)
My Grandfather (yes-capitalized because he was that important to me) used to tell me that a strong running river or stream/creek grows few mosquitoes, but a stagnant pool breeds many.
That concept can be applied to many, if not most areas of our lives. Or at least it has worked for me!
"Shouldn't be long until "whitey" and "cracka" disappear from the tags list, then."
And none too soon, IMHO!
Racism, prejudice, and bigotry are sooo last millennium. Should have been done away with long ago if we were truly the 'intelligent species' we claimed to be.
"The problem here IMHO is they are looking to drop the hammer on this guy NOT for what he did, but for the fact that he made all their security look like the POS that it is."
And that's the crux of the matter, put very succinctly.
"Where the hell did they get their security guys from, Remington College?"
Redmond College (MS), maybe?...look for evidence of ballistic chairs?
(I thoroughly despise the 'fixed that for ya' meme-not my place to spin-doctor any but my own words.)
Well, in the firearms manufacturing industry it is called Proof Testing, and is a good thing.
But you might still want to don some protective gear, maybe find a fallout shelter, etc....*alarms sound* Warning! Servers going critical! Eject the warp core immediately! Warning! Servers g
Sheesh!
This is getting as/more ridiculous as/than the SCO vs. IBM trial.
If not for the major implications riding on this whole subject, this would be as entertaining as watching 'The Three Stooges' all over again. Ludicrous!
Hmm...Is Daryl pimping out his lawyer pack to the RIAA to raise cash? Or was it just coincidence that both bunches were dredged up from the same slime pool?
'What goes around, comes around.' I hope this works here!
Okay, this is the last straw!
You, and several others above have been insidiously trying to inject the truth, and *shudder* reasoned comments into the Usual Poo-fling Fest on /.
You are coming dangerously close to upsetting the poise needed to knee-jerk until our noses flatten into a bloody pulp and make us seem even more silly than we actually are.
If you do not cease and desist we will have to take extreme measures against you:
a) Add two digits to your /. UID
b) Forcefully install Microsoft Bob on your PC...FROM FLOPPIES
c) Sentence you to wearing Groucho glasses in public every Tuesday
d) Send the Mighty Tux to your place to heinously molest your cat while you are at work
e) Set 4chan as your browser's homepage
You have been warned!!11!
Well, your post caused a disturbing mental picture....
RMS taking over Ballmer's job at MS.
No More Flying Chairs!!11!
P.S. Though look out for the crazy greybearded man running around with a katana, frothing at the mouth and shouting:"Mobilze the HURD! Time to attack!"
Head A Splodes!
No, we're here...laughing while we peruse /. while still getting our work done on our speedy *nix machines. :-)
These 'My Windows PC is Slow!!, what can I do?' type articles are like reading the funny papers....not to taken seriously, just amusing and entertaining.
This fiasco has been going on for years, just like a soap opera. Nothing really ever changes, except the name of the OS to protect the guilty. (my apologies to the Dragnet TV series)
Besides, why kick the guy when he's already down? It's not important enough to me anymore to care about rubbing his nose in it.
Like an old saying I've heard many times: 'you've made your bed, now lie in it'.
Dear Jadedoto,
It is for intrepid stalk^H^H^H^H^Hexplorers like you that I'm pleased to announce the all new iStalker! Soon to be on Apple store shelves near YOU!
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I respectfully disagree with specific parts of your comment, but I also agree with what seems to be the overall intent. (ie: it is not always an easy 'black or white' issue, and community/peer/'boss' pressures can influence decisions)
"Soldiers, at least non-officers, are trained through very intense programs to always obey orders without question. They are not taught to get in arguments over their orders. What's more, they can face charges for refusing an order."
Lawful orders, yes. Unlawful orders, no. All covered by the UCMJ. (we were all issued a pocket sized copy in Basic.)
"I get real tired of people who are willing to tell others in tough situations how they "should" act. Think it's that easy? Try it then. Enlist, go through basic, see the kind of mental and physical conditioning soldiers are subjected to. See what the culture and rules are like. Then see if you think it's so easy to just say "Nope, don't like that order, not going to do it."
Been there, done that, got the 'salad' on my Class A's to prove it, but I could not have said it any better and agree with you wholeheartedly! :-)
"...or that the people in charge shouldn't be held accountable. I'm saying that the people who were simply obeying orders can't."
Here I have to strongly disagree. The 'simply obeying orders' bit has not worked since the Nuremburg Trials.
It reared it's ugly head during the war in Vietnam for us when we had to deal with the Mai Lai Massacre, and did not work there. (that was still a gaping wound in the US military community when I enlisted in 1977)
Now we have Gitmo, and it should not work here either.*
I guess we still have not learned this lesson adequately, or this discussion would not even exist today about Gitmo.
*We should track these orders to the source, and put them on trial...then follow the chain of command down to the torturer themselves. Like cutting out a cancer.
It varies greatly between individuals.
I've seen guys:
freeze up and then panic
freeze, and stay frozen
panic, and stay panicked
panic and pray
coolly 'just deal with it'
nervous, but 'just deal with it' (surprisingly, this is the seemingly most common in my experience-good training at work, I guess)
get pissed off
and many other reactions
For me personally, I was too busy dealing with the enemy and staying alive to do anything else, much less pray to some deity I don't believe in.
Now, I have never experienced being on the receiving end of an artillery bombardment, or bombing by airstrike...those that have done so, they mostly claim that is a trying and harrowing experience that can breakdown the best of men. I can't even begin to imagine that type of experience.*shudder* So, YMMV as they say.
I know this may not be what you were expecting, but hope this helps. :-)
First off, I agree with the principles and concepts in your comment, so this is not an attack on you or your comment.
Try this: insert the word 'lawful' before the word 'orders' in both your comment and all of the other comments here. See the difference and clarity?
I may seem like a pedantic nit-picker, but it does make a huge difference in this discussion.
For example, compare these two:
1.]"...wartime refusal to obey orders could result in summary execution..." == depends on the order given.
2.]...wartime refusal to obey lawful orders could result in summary execution...==yes!
An important distinction if you are the one being 'ordered', don't you think?
BTW, the 'lawful order' phrase is pounded into your head during training repeatedly. I was even issued a pocket sized version of the Uniform Code of Military Justice in boot camp.
" If a given order is believed to be unconstitutional, the soldier has a duty to disobey it."
Most definitely, but as you said-it can be problematic.
For those interested, the oath enlisted troops take is different than the officer's oath:
oath for enlisted
oath for officers
I generally agree with you except for two things:
"A) follow orders"
That should be 'follow lawful orders'....and yes, all through training the 'lawful' part is stressed.
"B) not worry about the ramifications..."
No, you are completely wrong here.
I will admit this happens in the heat of the moment, but it is not part of the training. During training you are repeatedly beat over the head (figuratively) with 'The Book'.*
Hell, Uncle Sam even issued us a pocket sized version we could carry on us.
*'The Book'==UCMJ(Uniform Code of Military Justice)
Hear! Hear!
A worthy rant, IMO.
I agree with you.
As for Lotus Notes, I truly despise that evil mess. I would still rather use it than MS Office, even though it is:
Slow
Butt Ugly(tm)
Bug infested
Chaotic, horrendous UI
Did I mention slow?
ad nauseum
For me, it is still easier for me to use than MS Office.
Dear Shotgun,
After reading your comment on /. I just had to set the record straight.
In honor of your low /.UID, you have been selected to recieve your blowjob from Steve "Monkey Boy" Ballmer himself.
BTW, he sounds really funny trying to chant "Developers! Developers! Developers!" while sucking.
signed,
MS software engineer
"It turns out I had to find an archived version of the PowerPoint 97 viewer in order to let my wife load the file. So Microsoft already doesn't support their own formats, and this is using their software, paid for."
I hear you. This very example seems to be a good reason to have an OpenOffice.org install on a Windows machine.
My wife refuses to give up XP+MS Office, and frequently runs into this very problem. (she works for, and with a lot of non-profit organizations who frequently upgrade software at low priority due to budgets)
The first time this happened to her, we were both puzzled. I finally tracked it down: the document was written in Office '97- she was using Office XP==not compatible! WTF?!?!?
Hmmm...let me try OpenOffice.org.....
The document opened and rendered fine with OO.0rg. I then installed OO.org on her PC, and she loves it! (but only for this purpose *sigh*)
I have only used MS Office (Word) once, gave up on it after a very frustrating half hour, then went back to OO.org to 'Just Get It Done!'
(been using OO.org/Star Office since 1996)
Hell, I'd rather use Lotus Notes than MS Office, but that's me.
No pretending to it. Hell, I was shooting 1000 yard matches competitively in the 1970-1990 years, and know exactly what a .308 Win. can do.
"Well, for reliable sniping at 1000 yards you will want something ballistically superior to the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Winchester) round/M110 package. Ignore this part?
Hint: I was sticking strictly to Mil-Spec issued weapons/rounds, not custom BR rifles/ammo*. You know...staying on topic of the iTouch rig for the M110/7.62x51 NATO.
* Yes, Yes, I too loaded my personal .308 Win. with my developed handloads that enabled easy 1000+ yard shots. ("if you can ever call 1000 easy"- tricky, very tricky- my use of easy here means that the rifle/ammo was capable of sub 1/2 M.O.A. @ 1000+ yd. shots reliably)
My favorite groundhog load was a 150gr. Nosler Ballistic tip ahead of 52gr. Hogden's H110 powder, CCI BR-2 primer, in W-W cases. A very hot load, but safe in my rifle, giving sub 1/4 M.O.A. accuracy day in and day out.
Deer hunting, I stuck with Sierra 165 gr BTST Game Kings, pushed to 2600-2630 F.P.S. MV @ 10 ft., same primer, and whatever cases I culled from my target cases, or pick up here and there.
But for 1000 yard matches(when I used a .308), I used the Sierra 168gr. BTHP, IMR-4350 powder (don't recall the charge, but it was VERY consistent @ 2910-2935 F.P.S. @ 10 ft. from the muzzle by my chronograph), same primer, and Lake City Match brass. 10 round groups with this load/rifle stayed under 13" @ 1000 yards if I did my part. It may have been capable of better accuracy with a better shooter, but that was my limit. :-)
And FYI, I'm perfectly aware of that(.50 cal. BMG) also...see 'Hint:' above.
Thanks for the update. .308/.30-06) since it fell in the 'dum-dum' expanding projectile category.
When I was in (US Army 1977-1980), we were restricted to either standard ball(used mostly for practice), and Lake City Match ammo(recommended). We could not use the Sierra Match King bullet(my personal favorite for the
Also at that time there were no 5.56 NATO (.223) cartridge/rifle packages that could stay supersonic to 1000 yards.
With the .223, the MEKR (Maximum Effective Killing Range) was 400 meters paired with the M-16.(the only weapon issued for this round at that time)
The MEKR for the .308 was 800 meters in the M-24 and M-14, but extended to 1000 meters used in the M-60 SAW.
The way it broke down for us: .308 Win. .300 Win. Magnum (IIRC, a 180gr.BTSP-can't recall the MV)
0-700 yards=
600-1500 yards=
1400+ yards= clamp the Unertl to a M2 HB BMG
Note: I was deliberately sticking to Mil-Spec/issue ammo/rifle combo's, but was aware of the possibility to handload non-Mil-Spec bullets to velocities to acheive 1000+ yard supersonic flight.
I shot competitively in the 1970-early 1990's, also shot on the US Army rifle team, and handloaded my own civilian rounds for competition, fun, and sport.
"...the AR15 platform in .223 has taken the Farr Trophy..."
What rate of twist is used in this barrel?
Again, thanks for the update. I had no idea I was this far out of date! Gotta go now, interesting research on this subject needs done ASAP! And yes, yes, lots of field trials. :-)
*I think I hear my bank account sobbing*
Yes, exactly like that! (impressive shot by any measure)
And it was Hathcock's USMC armorer that modified a claw mount to attatch the scope to the M-2 HB BMG's reciever, not Carlos himself. This was a common practice until the .50 caliber sniper rifles became prevalent. (I was issued a 10x50 Unertl target scope in a claw mount for this very purpose)
Well, for reliable sniping at 1000 yards you will want something ballistically superior to the 7.62x51 NATO (.308 Winchester) round/M110 package. .308 Win. bullet transitions from supersonic to subsonic around 625-700 yards, causing the bullet to become unstable and seriously degrading accuracy to unacceptable levels for a sniper/target shooter.
The
That's what the cartridge/rifle packages in the 7mm-8mm magnums (which includes the venerable .300 Winchester and Weatherby Magnums) are best suited for, which cover 1000 yards quite nicely. :-)
Over 1500-1600 yards is the realm of the BMG .50 caliber/rifle packages.
Must...Resist...Obvious...Joke!...argh! Too weak!:
"In order to get them off..."
"All you need is pr0n!"
*sing to the tune of: All You Need Is Love[by the Beatles]....makes the world go round!
My wife did not plan that mission, you insensitive clod!
From what I understand, Mars can get very windy...winds meeting/exceeding tornado/hurricane speeds here. But due to the 'thinness' of Mars' atmosphere, it would enable you to fly a kite instead of seek heavy shelter.
My 'Pulled_From_My_Ass' numbers are based loosely (Heh! this is /. - should it be losely?) from here. (see:Effect of dust storms:"The low density of the Martian atmosphere means that winds of 40 to 50 mph (18 to 22 m/s) are needed to lift dust from the surface, but since Mars is so dry, the dust can stay in the atmosphere far longer than on Earth, where it is soon washed out by rain."
Too lazy to find out if I'm too ignorant to do the math at the moment....and a car analogy doesn't come to mind at the moment.
Yes, I do have a job. (night shift janitor)
I don't know what the other 6 are up to lately though...
Back when the movie was made, there were still enough older refrigerators still hanging on, that occasionally one would turn up abandoned instead of disposed of properly.
These older fridges had a mechanical latch on the handle to keep the door closed. We haven't always had magnetic seals; this used to be a bigger problem than now.