simulation for the competition... now that's a zero sum game once it becomes common.
AI 1 determines company B will load up their own copy of AI1, so it adapts to try and counter itself, but then it basically would go into infinite regression, as it's planning for a system that will match itself.
No, but certainly is a fact that the human body is capable of having kids, long before what we define as the time that the brain is mature enough to be rational in decision making, and the kids have little to no say in their parents competence/compassion, beyond lines like don't beat them too badly, and you have to feed them etc... A crappy decision by a couple of 15 year olds, creates a chain reaction that could easily ruin not only 1-2 lives of the people who made the decision, but of course also lead to the next kid having crap education due to the parents poorness. Which is of course a continued problem with current education systems in america.
Simple logical setups there, you noted the guy making $5 an hour was living a pretty comfortable nice life, obviously that amount I chose was intentionally less than minimum wage. We'd rationally assume that 5/hr job, would really be a job that pays 10+/hr normally. (in a non UBI world if you aren't making $10-$15 an hour you are at risk of homelessness/starvation). I was already assuming that income itself is taxed at an unprecedented rate to pay for the UBI. You still are waay better off working than the non-working class. You still get much nicer life working higher paying jobs, but we could reasonably tax at 50% or more for just about all income. That would also do quite a bit for reducing the "rediculously making too much" class. IE the 1% that currently holds more money than the lower half of the country.
Dig ditches, Shovel shit... cut grass... are mostly things that we've got pretty good groundwork to automate in the near future. What isn't automated, and sucks, can be higher paying jobs. Instead of shit jobs being the lower bracket for people who can't do better, they could be what you get into if you want to live in a nice mansion.
Why on earth does everyone totally equate UBI, Socialism and Communism.
First and foremost UBI never proposes that people who work and people who don't work have the same money.
Joe who works, bob who doesn't work.
UBI in this fictional world is 600 a week.
Joe works 40 hours a week at $5 an hour.
Bob, sits at home watching TV.
Both joe and bob pay 1000 a month for rent/mortgage. we'll say 1000ish bills for power/internet/water/phone.
Bob then has 400 a month left over for food, games etc.... It's not a lot, but he's not in danger of going out on the street.
Joe on the other hand, has 1200 each month after bills, for food, entertainment etc... He can easily move to a nicer place if he wants, eat nicer food, live in a better place etc...
Really it isn't that much different than the current system, we have government assistance, food stamps etc... the problem is with many of these systems, we wind up with traps all over the place, IE people getting 1600 a month... when they find an option for a job that pays 1200 a month, but would completely void their 1600, as well as bureaucracy out the ass, as we basically spend darn near as much as it costs to give to everyone, trying to figure out who does and doesn't actually need it.
Humans need something to feel productive and appriciated yes. The fact is many people have to decide between jobs that fit them better, IE make them more happy at work... and jobs that pay better and actually can afford to keep their kids in a decent home, and ensure that they can afford for his/her children to actually have the option for an education that will allow him to pick a job that satisfies them. and that's ignoring the fact that there is no perfect law or guarantees that the quantity of jobs lost to technology will always be counteracted by the amount of jobs replaced etc... The fact is some people can feel happy and satisfied, making youtube videos that only interest a few dozen people (and thus are pretty much implausible to afford to live off of).
Heck MMORPGs are pretty historically great at filling that urge/need in humans.
I'm not one of those people... but I do work in a field where there is very high competition, and I'd have much easier times getting a job if I didn't have to compete with people who hate the idea of doing the job I want, but they have to do it to survive.
While I agree that AI's outdriving humans is considerably closer than we give it credit for. Simple human falacies, normal panic, and human tendency to sensationalize new causes of death and completely tone out the deaths we are used to.
In a world where the laws were written by people who understood statistics, and the media was more concerned with facts over views (or a world where accurate facts was the way to get views). Self driving vehicles are at most 5-10 years from catching up to humans, and thus being a better option.
On the other hand.. the world we live in, almost every story about self driving cars, in the last month, makes sure to point out that 1 fatal tesla autopilot accident and/or the fatal uber accident that happened recently. If self driving car accidents reach 100 in a year, even if manual car fatalities dropped by 10,000 in that same year for the same reason, public perception (and thus the policies politicians enact), will be that self driving cars are more dangerous.
Agreed in terms of effectiveness of their uses, but unfortunately it also is the equivelant of saying if no one uses it it's harmless. Having almost everyone on it, is kind of what makes a social network practical. Unless they actually inter-connect. Imagine if AT&T celphones could only call other AT&T phones etc... verison phones only verison etc...
The inevitable end result would be everyone needing to be able to just give their boss their celphone number and be sure he could call it. So we'd wind up with one super giant celphone company, that could screw everyone over on price and anything else and get away with it.
IMO the best solution right now was what diaspora tried to do 10 years ago, IE individual pods, services that can be hosted by different companies, but are able to talk to eachother. We probably could have been out of this mess had they not totally screwed up all of their security back when they actually had media attention and hype.
Because the technology is in it's infancy? To me it's the equivelant of saying "this medical student is able to treat patients as long as he/she is supervised by an experienced doctor". We don't conclude that to mean that the experienced doctor should sleep in a chair and everyone should fully trust the med-student.
Ready for use with supervision, and ready to be trusted, are very different things.
I doubt it's so much friends, as fear of job security. Facebook just took a huge off the charts hit to trust. Some big names are making pretty bold actions of saying they are abandoning the platform. Honestly all it really would take is a few big names to endorse or back another service, and facebook could more or less lose 75%+ of it's audience, which would result in huge downsizing.
At that point, moral concerns are not... you don't want a sinking ship to be your most recent job experience, jump ship now where you can claim you had fought against the problem.
That's where the systems communicating with the main office comes in even more handy. The moment a police car marks himself as responding to an emergency... the emergency services system could signal every self driving car along the route, and have them all already pulled over before the emergency vehicles even reach them.
You can't expect cars to instantly solve every problem we already have with humans though, a quick google search gets dozens of stories of people putting fake police lights on their car, pulling people over to rob or sexually assault them. Not to mention the occasional real cop that's actually a serial killer etc...
Honestly that's a problem best solved when everyone's cars are automatic. If pulling people over involved a system that required a law enforcement tracker, and that tracker had to verify with the main office (to prevent even rogue cops from using it without a record that traces to them) the problem could be greatly reduced.
I'd imagine self driving cars have to also know to pull over when the car behind them is flashing lights. Even assuming no check points, no laws being broken and police would never have reason to pull you over, they still have to pull over to get out of the way of an ambulance/police car etc....
I get that it's just not advertising kodi within the search bar, actually making people learn how to spell kodi before they search for it... but it's still stupid. I'd get it if they just blocked terms for the known kodi piracy addons. But if you are going to punish a software program just because there's a checkbox to allow you to use unofficial sources in the settings, and some of the possible unofficial sources contain tools that can be used for piracy... isn't that basically what android does?
Well everyone's safe if you manage to completely avoid them... and they all more or less have data on everything of theirs that you use. I'm just saying, assuming all of them are harvesting everything they possibly can get away with, and purely off of the chances that people are using their products.
google (they have trackers on darn near every site, and their array of products are so broad and almost universally used, you have to make a very very concious effort to avoid them)
facebook (because 1. darn near everyone uses it, and 2. they've got their buttons on damn near every site).
microsoft: Honestly this one is a slight lesser, though this is assuming the absolute worse most illegal spying behind the scenes, if MS wanted, just about everyone with a desktop computer that hasn't gone out of their way to run linux etc... is within the range of where they could hypothetically spy.
Apple, IMO barely qualifies for that league... All they've got that's really in near universal usage is the iphone.. and even that is more or less neck and neck with android, rather than a domination in the way windows vs macos, or google vs bing would be.
google I'd say comperable to facebook. Apple, I just don't see. Apple has all the information for say.. almost half of smartphone owners. But to my knowledge they don't have half the "universally used" factors as google and facebook. Virtually everyone searches with google.
Smartphones - Google and apple roughly evenly split the market
Desktop Browsers: Google controls 60% of this market, with no other competitor breaking 20%
Social media: OK googles social media sucks... but they actually have one.
Web search: OK yeah obviously this one is googles.
misc web apps: IE web based document editors, google voice etc...
web e-mail: ok I see a trend
Fact is... if you don't own an iphone, and about half of people don't, there isn't a whole lot of day to day that involves you using apple for anything.
Even if you own an iphone... and don't have an android odds are you still run into google a lot in your typical day, unless you literally jump through all kinds of crazy hoops to avoid it.
Blockchain is a great technology for securing and decentralizing information. But yes it's become a buzzword of stupidity. Think of it like cloud was a decade or so ago. Yes it is a hypothetically game changing ability... but yes every idiot and their grandma is looking to throw either the technology or sometimes just the word to everything whether it is or isn't anything.
The difference between human's and computers, isn't that computers will never make mistakes. It is that when a human makes a mistake, and you retrain him not to make the same mistake again... you probably can fix that one human once... and a very slight chance you can get some details from that into the training for some of the next humans, which may or may not teach it correctly and some will and won't learn the lesson.
Meanwhile you fix that on a computer software.. you literally have the opportunity to teach the lesson to every existing and follow up AI in the world at the same time. Seriously how many human caused accidents probably happened the same minute as this event... and how few people has it crossed the minds of to suspend human drivers for a little bit while we get this thing figured out
for me I have a tt-rss server going, and there's actually a lot of plugins that help with the issues in particular you mention. Like say making sure comics actually go into the feed for the particular comic etc...
It does take a bit of time, finding the addons for that site (or writing them if you are inclined). But it also is a one time task that gets things going quickly for as long as you want to keep using it.
I think to another extent however, people don't think of the full scope of their job, or how much is trivialized. IE they do correctly know that 10% of their own job is impossible for a computer, and don't know 10% of others jobs are also impossible.
But the real kicker everyone misses is... if you can eliminate 90% of everyones work. then you get 2 guys to do what used to take 10 guys. (doubling to make up for possible slowdowns caused by having more multipurposed people with a hand in what used to be 10 different jobs.
First off I do think google bombing does happen on pretty large scales, because it doesn't take that big of a scale to tweak things. No it isn't secrete neonazi groups usually, it's 4chan jokers and kids. Sometimes kids because they are trying to troll, sometimes kids because they don't understand what they are searching for. (they heard some guy in the background of a youtube video say all jews are evil, young kids don't even know that jews are just a race of humans, so they google search the question etc...).
isn't advertisers deciding pretty much part of the adpocolypse thing? In general youtube isn't cutting the content off, they are demomotizing it. Basically youtube is trying really hard to both put ads on everyones content... and make sure that advertisers ads aren't on anything they don't want to be associated with, and that's where the mess comes in.
advertisers don't want to be on the re-active camp. They don't want to pull their ads from the KKK after the walstreet journal points it out. They want to not advertise it to begin with. Then they obviously don't have the time to go watch every tom dick and harry's 1000 subscription channels to build up a comprehensive white list for their ads... so it comes down to everyone hoping youtube can correctly algorythm a mostly accurate blacklister.
Isn't the whole point of wikipedia that it has the citations at the bottom of the article, containing the sources? WIkipedia isn't so much a source, as an easily digested collection of information from multiple sources. Putting down wikipedia as a source is like putting your library name down as a source instead of the book. It's technically true, and this isn't meant to be a dig at the people who write the articles. But wikipedia's own rules about citations more or less officially declare it as "not a source".
Well yes of course, lets assume it's half and half, why yes of course the business would most enjoy getting rid of all of them... and the truckers themselves should be desperate to save all of them (because even if they are all on the side that isn't getting laid off... they now also have a boatload of out of work guys in their field desperate for a job, and perhaps willing to undercut them... whatever the case it utterly crushes any bargaining position they may have if they ever want to talk about better pay or anything that might make their lives better.
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simulation for the competition... now that's a zero sum game once it becomes common. AI 1 determines company B will load up their own copy of AI1, so it adapts to try and counter itself, but then it basically would go into infinite regression, as it's planning for a system that will match itself.
No, but certainly is a fact that the human body is capable of having kids, long before what we define as the time that the brain is mature enough to be rational in decision making, and the kids have little to no say in their parents competence/compassion, beyond lines like don't beat them too badly, and you have to feed them etc... A crappy decision by a couple of 15 year olds, creates a chain reaction that could easily ruin not only 1-2 lives of the people who made the decision, but of course also lead to the next kid having crap education due to the parents poorness. Which is of course a continued problem with current education systems in america.
Simple logical setups there, you noted the guy making $5 an hour was living a pretty comfortable nice life, obviously that amount I chose was intentionally less than minimum wage. We'd rationally assume that 5/hr job, would really be a job that pays 10+/hr normally. (in a non UBI world if you aren't making $10-$15 an hour you are at risk of homelessness/starvation). I was already assuming that income itself is taxed at an unprecedented rate to pay for the UBI. You still are waay better off working than the non-working class. You still get much nicer life working higher paying jobs, but we could reasonably tax at 50% or more for just about all income. That would also do quite a bit for reducing the "rediculously making too much" class. IE the 1% that currently holds more money than the lower half of the country.
Dig ditches, Shovel shit... cut grass... are mostly things that we've got pretty good groundwork to automate in the near future. What isn't automated, and sucks, can be higher paying jobs. Instead of shit jobs being the lower bracket for people who can't do better, they could be what you get into if you want to live in a nice mansion.
Why on earth does everyone totally equate UBI, Socialism and Communism. First and foremost UBI never proposes that people who work and people who don't work have the same money. Joe who works, bob who doesn't work. UBI in this fictional world is 600 a week. Joe works 40 hours a week at $5 an hour. Bob, sits at home watching TV. Both joe and bob pay 1000 a month for rent/mortgage. we'll say 1000ish bills for power/internet/water/phone. Bob then has 400 a month left over for food, games etc.... It's not a lot, but he's not in danger of going out on the street. Joe on the other hand, has 1200 each month after bills, for food, entertainment etc... He can easily move to a nicer place if he wants, eat nicer food, live in a better place etc... Really it isn't that much different than the current system, we have government assistance, food stamps etc... the problem is with many of these systems, we wind up with traps all over the place, IE people getting 1600 a month... when they find an option for a job that pays 1200 a month, but would completely void their 1600, as well as bureaucracy out the ass, as we basically spend darn near as much as it costs to give to everyone, trying to figure out who does and doesn't actually need it.
Humans need something to feel productive and appriciated yes. The fact is many people have to decide between jobs that fit them better, IE make them more happy at work... and jobs that pay better and actually can afford to keep their kids in a decent home, and ensure that they can afford for his/her children to actually have the option for an education that will allow him to pick a job that satisfies them. and that's ignoring the fact that there is no perfect law or guarantees that the quantity of jobs lost to technology will always be counteracted by the amount of jobs replaced etc... The fact is some people can feel happy and satisfied, making youtube videos that only interest a few dozen people (and thus are pretty much implausible to afford to live off of). Heck MMORPGs are pretty historically great at filling that urge/need in humans. I'm not one of those people... but I do work in a field where there is very high competition, and I'd have much easier times getting a job if I didn't have to compete with people who hate the idea of doing the job I want, but they have to do it to survive.
While I agree that AI's outdriving humans is considerably closer than we give it credit for. Simple human falacies, normal panic, and human tendency to sensationalize new causes of death and completely tone out the deaths we are used to. In a world where the laws were written by people who understood statistics, and the media was more concerned with facts over views (or a world where accurate facts was the way to get views). Self driving vehicles are at most 5-10 years from catching up to humans, and thus being a better option. On the other hand.. the world we live in, almost every story about self driving cars, in the last month, makes sure to point out that 1 fatal tesla autopilot accident and/or the fatal uber accident that happened recently. If self driving car accidents reach 100 in a year, even if manual car fatalities dropped by 10,000 in that same year for the same reason, public perception (and thus the policies politicians enact), will be that self driving cars are more dangerous.
Agreed in terms of effectiveness of their uses, but unfortunately it also is the equivelant of saying if no one uses it it's harmless. Having almost everyone on it, is kind of what makes a social network practical. Unless they actually inter-connect. Imagine if AT&T celphones could only call other AT&T phones etc... verison phones only verison etc... The inevitable end result would be everyone needing to be able to just give their boss their celphone number and be sure he could call it. So we'd wind up with one super giant celphone company, that could screw everyone over on price and anything else and get away with it. IMO the best solution right now was what diaspora tried to do 10 years ago, IE individual pods, services that can be hosted by different companies, but are able to talk to eachother. We probably could have been out of this mess had they not totally screwed up all of their security back when they actually had media attention and hype.
Because the technology is in it's infancy? To me it's the equivelant of saying "this medical student is able to treat patients as long as he/she is supervised by an experienced doctor". We don't conclude that to mean that the experienced doctor should sleep in a chair and everyone should fully trust the med-student. Ready for use with supervision, and ready to be trusted, are very different things.
I doubt it's so much friends, as fear of job security. Facebook just took a huge off the charts hit to trust. Some big names are making pretty bold actions of saying they are abandoning the platform. Honestly all it really would take is a few big names to endorse or back another service, and facebook could more or less lose 75%+ of it's audience, which would result in huge downsizing. At that point, moral concerns are not... you don't want a sinking ship to be your most recent job experience, jump ship now where you can claim you had fought against the problem.
That's where the systems communicating with the main office comes in even more handy. The moment a police car marks himself as responding to an emergency... the emergency services system could signal every self driving car along the route, and have them all already pulled over before the emergency vehicles even reach them.
You can't expect cars to instantly solve every problem we already have with humans though, a quick google search gets dozens of stories of people putting fake police lights on their car, pulling people over to rob or sexually assault them. Not to mention the occasional real cop that's actually a serial killer etc... Honestly that's a problem best solved when everyone's cars are automatic. If pulling people over involved a system that required a law enforcement tracker, and that tracker had to verify with the main office (to prevent even rogue cops from using it without a record that traces to them) the problem could be greatly reduced.
I'd imagine self driving cars have to also know to pull over when the car behind them is flashing lights. Even assuming no check points, no laws being broken and police would never have reason to pull you over, they still have to pull over to get out of the way of an ambulance/police car etc....
I get that it's just not advertising kodi within the search bar, actually making people learn how to spell kodi before they search for it... but it's still stupid. I'd get it if they just blocked terms for the known kodi piracy addons. But if you are going to punish a software program just because there's a checkbox to allow you to use unofficial sources in the settings, and some of the possible unofficial sources contain tools that can be used for piracy... isn't that basically what android does?
Well everyone's safe if you manage to completely avoid them... and they all more or less have data on everything of theirs that you use. I'm just saying, assuming all of them are harvesting everything they possibly can get away with, and purely off of the chances that people are using their products. google (they have trackers on darn near every site, and their array of products are so broad and almost universally used, you have to make a very very concious effort to avoid them) facebook (because 1. darn near everyone uses it, and 2. they've got their buttons on damn near every site). microsoft: Honestly this one is a slight lesser, though this is assuming the absolute worse most illegal spying behind the scenes, if MS wanted, just about everyone with a desktop computer that hasn't gone out of their way to run linux etc... is within the range of where they could hypothetically spy. Apple, IMO barely qualifies for that league... All they've got that's really in near universal usage is the iphone.. and even that is more or less neck and neck with android, rather than a domination in the way windows vs macos, or google vs bing would be.
google I'd say comperable to facebook. Apple, I just don't see. Apple has all the information for say.. almost half of smartphone owners. But to my knowledge they don't have half the "universally used" factors as google and facebook. Virtually everyone searches with google. Smartphones - Google and apple roughly evenly split the market Desktop Browsers: Google controls 60% of this market, with no other competitor breaking 20% Social media: OK googles social media sucks... but they actually have one. Web search: OK yeah obviously this one is googles. misc web apps: IE web based document editors, google voice etc... web e-mail: ok I see a trend Fact is... if you don't own an iphone, and about half of people don't, there isn't a whole lot of day to day that involves you using apple for anything. Even if you own an iphone... and don't have an android odds are you still run into google a lot in your typical day, unless you literally jump through all kinds of crazy hoops to avoid it.
Blockchain is a great technology for securing and decentralizing information. But yes it's become a buzzword of stupidity. Think of it like cloud was a decade or so ago. Yes it is a hypothetically game changing ability... but yes every idiot and their grandma is looking to throw either the technology or sometimes just the word to everything whether it is or isn't anything.
The difference between human's and computers, isn't that computers will never make mistakes. It is that when a human makes a mistake, and you retrain him not to make the same mistake again... you probably can fix that one human once... and a very slight chance you can get some details from that into the training for some of the next humans, which may or may not teach it correctly and some will and won't learn the lesson. Meanwhile you fix that on a computer software.. you literally have the opportunity to teach the lesson to every existing and follow up AI in the world at the same time. Seriously how many human caused accidents probably happened the same minute as this event... and how few people has it crossed the minds of to suspend human drivers for a little bit while we get this thing figured out
or perhaps... he's not falling into dunning kruger effect?
for me I have a tt-rss server going, and there's actually a lot of plugins that help with the issues in particular you mention. Like say making sure comics actually go into the feed for the particular comic etc... It does take a bit of time, finding the addons for that site (or writing them if you are inclined). But it also is a one time task that gets things going quickly for as long as you want to keep using it.
I think to another extent however, people don't think of the full scope of their job, or how much is trivialized. IE they do correctly know that 10% of their own job is impossible for a computer, and don't know 10% of others jobs are also impossible. But the real kicker everyone misses is... if you can eliminate 90% of everyones work. then you get 2 guys to do what used to take 10 guys. (doubling to make up for possible slowdowns caused by having more multipurposed people with a hand in what used to be 10 different jobs.
First off I do think google bombing does happen on pretty large scales, because it doesn't take that big of a scale to tweak things. No it isn't secrete neonazi groups usually, it's 4chan jokers and kids. Sometimes kids because they are trying to troll, sometimes kids because they don't understand what they are searching for. (they heard some guy in the background of a youtube video say all jews are evil, young kids don't even know that jews are just a race of humans, so they google search the question etc...).
isn't advertisers deciding pretty much part of the adpocolypse thing? In general youtube isn't cutting the content off, they are demomotizing it. Basically youtube is trying really hard to both put ads on everyones content... and make sure that advertisers ads aren't on anything they don't want to be associated with, and that's where the mess comes in. advertisers don't want to be on the re-active camp. They don't want to pull their ads from the KKK after the walstreet journal points it out. They want to not advertise it to begin with. Then they obviously don't have the time to go watch every tom dick and harry's 1000 subscription channels to build up a comprehensive white list for their ads... so it comes down to everyone hoping youtube can correctly algorythm a mostly accurate blacklister.
Isn't the whole point of wikipedia that it has the citations at the bottom of the article, containing the sources? WIkipedia isn't so much a source, as an easily digested collection of information from multiple sources. Putting down wikipedia as a source is like putting your library name down as a source instead of the book. It's technically true, and this isn't meant to be a dig at the people who write the articles. But wikipedia's own rules about citations more or less officially declare it as "not a source".
Well yes of course, lets assume it's half and half, why yes of course the business would most enjoy getting rid of all of them... and the truckers themselves should be desperate to save all of them (because even if they are all on the side that isn't getting laid off... they now also have a boatload of out of work guys in their field desperate for a job, and perhaps willing to undercut them... whatever the case it utterly crushes any bargaining position they may have if they ever want to talk about better pay or anything that might make their lives better.