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I think you forget to point out the connection between the PSP and the PS3, which while not implemented yet, definitely took one step forward yesterday with PSP v3.0. The streaming from handheld to console is pretty nifty, and the ability to download on one and transfer to the other is quite nice. I think the rearview mirror gimmick was a bit much, but it'd be cool to see some games take better advantage of using this wisely. An MMO that you can play on the PS3 and take on the road via your PSP would be awesome, and SOE is definitely in a position to capitalize on it. I don't see the Wii doing this any time soon.
So yes, each one of these consoles is one step forward. And yes, hardware wise all you're getting is a souped up PS2, just like the Xbox360 is a souped up Xbox. The Wii has a fancy controller, but the article on games.slashdot.org about firmware lockups doesn't instill my confidence that the Wii is the penultimate console of the bunch. Nintendo has to replace consoles the first week of release? Yep, Sony definitely has some problems but I think it's a bit weak to call it a souped up PS2 without taking the multimedia into account. The PS3 isn't just a game console - it has everything and the kitchen sink, and for $600 that's what you should expect.
What about Xbox 360's that run linux? Or PS3's? Can I play this with my Wiimote? I thought I saw a thread on ign.com that said I could cut out the middle of the DVD and run it on my PSP...
That was the Great Grandparent's point. My parent's point (the AC) was that the generic hardware manufacturer's paid Sun so Sun was getting money regardless. And I told him he missed the point, which resulted in you telling me I missed the point. I think.
I think Valve/Steam does it much better. You can install on as many machines you like, but you can only run one instance at once. I'm good with that. iTunes is a bit more restrictive and annoying. Why you can't have your music on your laptop and your desktop at the same time is a bit of a puzzle IMO. Unless I'm clueless as to how it works.
As is Microsoft and Apple in this case. The point isn't who gets money, the point is that the software should be able to run anywhere without the vendor having control over your data. I run OS X, I should be able to get my files out. Ditto for Windows and for Solaris. An operating system is just a program, and no program should be able to lock down your files without legal recourse. They can't just decide you're violating their rules without cause and lock down your system.
HTML, meet also-rr. also-rr, meet HTML. HTML, apparently also-rr hasn't coded since the BBC Master was cutting edge technology. Also-rr, HTML has been an internet programmer's staple since 1993.
Since 99.99% of the people buying a PS3 will want to play PS3 games on their PS3, this really isn't an earth shattering issue. For the small remaining crew, they have a PS2 they could hook up until the firmware updates roll out to correct it.
While I agree with you that it's not earth-shattering, I'll also point out that there will be people who are trading in their PS2 to lower the price of their PS3, so it might not be a feasible option for everyone.
Above someone said some Dems are treating Lieberman as a leper (kudos to CT for breaking replies today). That's actually a bit incorrect. Without Lieberman, the Dems don't have their majority. He's said he'll caucus with the Dems, but his "bipartisanship" (read: conservative leanings) usually causes him to cross the lines on important issues. So they're going to have to let him have his way or he can become a real pain and decide to side with Republicans on key issues. Even better, he's probably going to be the most powerful man in the Senate as with Cheney he'll be the tiebreaker on straight down party line votes.
And in the wayback machine, Sun Microsystems and Microsoft formed a partnership over Sun's Java development platform. Microsoft was quoted as saying they were looking forward to a "fruitful relationship in which we could include constructive input to the Java community."
There was a game we played in school with a football, where you were allowed two steps after a catch, and no downs.
Kind of ultimate frisbee or handball. Definitely more fun than the original game. I remember playing something similar but instead of 4 downs you had 4 passes to get to an endzone. If you dropped a pass it would go to the other team at the spot of the drop. The field was much smaller of course.
Good catch on that. Not many people will pay attention. I bet it took them 3 years to file the lawsuit because law moves slower than technology, and they had to take time to build a claim. I'd like to give SGI the benefit of the doubt here and say they're not a patent troll. You don't just file a lawsuit and hope for the best. As a business you need to make sure that your decision can be backed up (otherwise you become SCOX). Of course, I bet the bankruptcy had a lot to do both with the decision to file and the delay in filing. Plus, we don't know if SGI approached ATI before this and offered a deal over litigation.
Who let market analysts on slashdot? The quoted definition, while worth the attempt to find it, makes even less sense. I'm still trying to get my head around "application taxonomy." Someone obviously got a new thesaurus this week.
You're right! Weird Al will immediately sit up and rip up his contract with Sony! What a smart move! It's not like he's legally bound to that paper once he tears it up! And Sony never sues anyone! Good idea!
Get a grip and stop grasping for straws. Average consumers can't even spell Lik Sang let alone know what it is. It's a tragedy they closed but you need to attack the legislators not the corporations. Corporations have too much power. Elect good legislators, reform campaign finance laws, and lobby for a legislative agenda that weakens intellectual property protection. Or just move to Canada.
I'm with you. I have stopped reading Slashdot Games altogether just because Zonk and his mod-hoarding Nintendo fanboys are overwhelmingly annoying and have destroyed the site.
I have no problem with XP and Linux alongside each other. Install Windows first, then install Linux second. Windows never knows Linux even exists. I even have Windows on one hard drive and Linux on another. I didn't have to do anything, GRUB did it all.
FPS games are not MMORPG games, there are no false "levels" or "items" that you collect. You have to realize that when you play a MMORPG you are simply making little numbers in a database somewhere increment
Your definition of an MMORPG is spot on, but I said MMO for a reason. RPG's are RPG's, and they'll always be a numbers game. The purpose of an MMO is to create a universal, persistent gamestate. I think that FPS's definitely should move towards that space. As you said with UT2k4, it doesn't necessarily have to be a simple collect items make character more powerful type thing. Even maintaining the illusion that your character exists and can gain legendary status is what the goal should be. Few games, outside of maybe Quake 1/2/3, have established people who are legends ingame. We should move in that direction, IMO.
throws entire match strategy right out the window.
Oh no, god forbid you have to change your strategy in a 10 year old game. People, get a grip. I love that some people are crying out for the Wii because it uses a new controller that according to them will revolutionize the way games are played, and yet they still bitch and complain about a change like this. Most times when I play CounterStrike, you usually end up with $16000 really quickly and dominate the match wit hteh best weapons, or you constantly lose and have the SMGs that can't compete as well with the rifles.
I applaud Valve for bringing a change like this. It's time for games to start taking more advantage of the global internet and stop creating a world that is server and instance based. So many people play MMO's nowadays that really, I don't see games like CounterStrike keeping up with them. You're constantly starting from zero and whatever stats are saved are server based only so if you want any progression you need to constantly use the same server. I only hope the "newly announced" TF2 encorporates more of this stuff.
Actually, I think the interesting thing here is the mention that it is Works and not Office that they're considering. To my knowledge Works either doesn't create.doc files. This will definitely hamper the usability of the online platform. Most people either expect or only support.doc files and very few support the Works format (can't remember the extention offhand). That's usually why people don't buy Works and buy Office instead.
I agree, ~x86 breaks my build all the time. However, it's rarely Portage that is breaking. Nine times out of ten there is a compiler error that everyone else has picked up that breaks the build and forces the Portage team to roll back the version. I think it's hard to fault the distro when it's actually the developers who are breaking the code.
There have been many posts over what Gentoo's stated purpose is. When you read the link above regarding the comments on the mailing list (on LWN), you'll see that even the developers fight over its purpose. Personally, I think that is okay. I use Gentoo because it's highly customizable and I can get all the bells and whistles. The documentation is excellent and the chatroom and forums are really helpful. I say they stop worrying about what Gentoo's purpose and goals are and just keep doing what they're doing. I'm happy just the way it is (although I kind of preferred the old stage 1 build myself).
And another thing - if someone adds a feature to portage, it's not going to break or change the way I do things. I've never used the Graphical LiveCD and I probably never will. I think the freedom to add that should be included, just as I have the freedom to ignore it if I like. Very few things are forced on you by Gentoo, even Desktops/WM's like Gnome and KDE. It's all about choice, and Gentoo definitely personifies that more than other distros.
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I think you forget to point out the connection between the PSP and the PS3, which while not implemented yet, definitely took one step forward yesterday with PSP v3.0. The streaming from handheld to console is pretty nifty, and the ability to download on one and transfer to the other is quite nice. I think the rearview mirror gimmick was a bit much, but it'd be cool to see some games take better advantage of using this wisely. An MMO that you can play on the PS3 and take on the road via your PSP would be awesome, and SOE is definitely in a position to capitalize on it. I don't see the Wii doing this any time soon.
So yes, each one of these consoles is one step forward. And yes, hardware wise all you're getting is a souped up PS2, just like the Xbox360 is a souped up Xbox. The Wii has a fancy controller, but the article on games.slashdot.org about firmware lockups doesn't instill my confidence that the Wii is the penultimate console of the bunch. Nintendo has to replace consoles the first week of release? Yep, Sony definitely has some problems but I think it's a bit weak to call it a souped up PS2 without taking the multimedia into account. The PS3 isn't just a game console - it has everything and the kitchen sink, and for $600 that's what you should expect.
What about Xbox 360's that run linux? Or PS3's? Can I play this with my Wiimote? I thought I saw a thread on ign.com that said I could cut out the middle of the DVD and run it on my PSP...
That was the Great Grandparent's point. My parent's point (the AC) was that the generic hardware manufacturer's paid Sun so Sun was getting money regardless. And I told him he missed the point, which resulted in you telling me I missed the point. I think.
I think Valve/Steam does it much better. You can install on as many machines you like, but you can only run one instance at once. I'm good with that. iTunes is a bit more restrictive and annoying. Why you can't have your music on your laptop and your desktop at the same time is a bit of a puzzle IMO. Unless I'm clueless as to how it works.
As is Microsoft and Apple in this case. The point isn't who gets money, the point is that the software should be able to run anywhere without the vendor having control over your data. I run OS X, I should be able to get my files out. Ditto for Windows and for Solaris. An operating system is just a program, and no program should be able to lock down your files without legal recourse. They can't just decide you're violating their rules without cause and lock down your system.
HTML, meet also-rr. also-rr, meet HTML. HTML, apparently also-rr hasn't coded since the BBC Master was cutting edge technology. Also-rr, HTML has been an internet programmer's staple since 1993.
Since 99.99% of the people buying a PS3 will want to play PS3 games on their PS3, this really isn't an earth shattering issue. For the small remaining crew, they have a PS2 they could hook up until the firmware updates roll out to correct it.
While I agree with you that it's not earth-shattering, I'll also point out that there will be people who are trading in their PS2 to lower the price of their PS3, so it might not be a feasible option for everyone.
Probably to avoid a slander or libel lawsuit. (I can never remember which is which)
$600 doesn't leave much room for any games
Of course, Sony not having many launch titles (Oblivion, I'm looking at you) means you don't need any games for your $600 videogame system!
Above someone said some Dems are treating Lieberman as a leper (kudos to CT for breaking replies today). That's actually a bit incorrect. Without Lieberman, the Dems don't have their majority. He's said he'll caucus with the Dems, but his "bipartisanship" (read: conservative leanings) usually causes him to cross the lines on important issues. So they're going to have to let him have his way or he can become a real pain and decide to side with Republicans on key issues. Even better, he's probably going to be the most powerful man in the Senate as with Cheney he'll be the tiebreaker on straight down party line votes.
And in the wayback machine, Sun Microsystems and Microsoft formed a partnership over Sun's Java development platform. Microsoft was quoted as saying they were looking forward to a "fruitful relationship in which we could include constructive input to the Java community."
There was a game we played in school with a football, where you were allowed two steps after a catch, and no downs.
Kind of ultimate frisbee or handball. Definitely more fun than the original game. I remember playing something similar but instead of 4 downs you had 4 passes to get to an endzone. If you dropped a pass it would go to the other team at the spot of the drop. The field was much smaller of course.
Good catch on that. Not many people will pay attention. I bet it took them 3 years to file the lawsuit because law moves slower than technology, and they had to take time to build a claim. I'd like to give SGI the benefit of the doubt here and say they're not a patent troll. You don't just file a lawsuit and hope for the best. As a business you need to make sure that your decision can be backed up (otherwise you become SCOX). Of course, I bet the bankruptcy had a lot to do both with the decision to file and the delay in filing. Plus, we don't know if SGI approached ATI before this and offered a deal over litigation.
Market analysts created the term "pure-play"
Who let market analysts on slashdot? The quoted definition, while worth the attempt to find it, makes even less sense. I'm still trying to get my head around "application taxonomy." Someone obviously got a new thesaurus this week.
You're right! Weird Al will immediately sit up and rip up his contract with Sony! What a smart move! It's not like he's legally bound to that paper once he tears it up! And Sony never sues anyone! Good idea!
Get a grip and stop grasping for straws. Average consumers can't even spell Lik Sang let alone know what it is. It's a tragedy they closed but you need to attack the legislators not the corporations. Corporations have too much power. Elect good legislators, reform campaign finance laws, and lobby for a legislative agenda that weakens intellectual property protection. Or just move to Canada.
I wish there was a "Didn't get the joke" mod.
I'm with you. I have stopped reading Slashdot Games altogether just because Zonk and his mod-hoarding Nintendo fanboys are overwhelmingly annoying and have destroyed the site.
I have no problem with XP and Linux alongside each other. Install Windows first, then install Linux second. Windows never knows Linux even exists. I even have Windows on one hard drive and Linux on another. I didn't have to do anything, GRUB did it all.
Apparently he's been reading it for years too :)
I live in Brooklyn. It's not as cheap as it used to be. I think San Francisco is cheaper at this point.
I for one will never give into their demands. My Dell will never use DRM'd mus...BOOM... %^%@13#^$3@#$*^&^NO CARRIER
FPS games are not MMORPG games, there are no false "levels" or "items" that you collect. You have to realize that when you play a MMORPG you are simply making little numbers in a database somewhere increment
Your definition of an MMORPG is spot on, but I said MMO for a reason. RPG's are RPG's, and they'll always be a numbers game. The purpose of an MMO is to create a universal, persistent gamestate. I think that FPS's definitely should move towards that space. As you said with UT2k4, it doesn't necessarily have to be a simple collect items make character more powerful type thing. Even maintaining the illusion that your character exists and can gain legendary status is what the goal should be. Few games, outside of maybe Quake 1/2/3, have established people who are legends ingame. We should move in that direction, IMO.
throws entire match strategy right out the window.
Oh no, god forbid you have to change your strategy in a 10 year old game. People, get a grip. I love that some people are crying out for the Wii because it uses a new controller that according to them will revolutionize the way games are played, and yet they still bitch and complain about a change like this. Most times when I play CounterStrike, you usually end up with $16000 really quickly and dominate the match wit hteh best weapons, or you constantly lose and have the SMGs that can't compete as well with the rifles.
I applaud Valve for bringing a change like this. It's time for games to start taking more advantage of the global internet and stop creating a world that is server and instance based. So many people play MMO's nowadays that really, I don't see games like CounterStrike keeping up with them. You're constantly starting from zero and whatever stats are saved are server based only so if you want any progression you need to constantly use the same server. I only hope the "newly announced" TF2 encorporates more of this stuff.
Actually, I think the interesting thing here is the mention that it is Works and not Office that they're considering. To my knowledge Works either doesn't create .doc files. This will definitely hamper the usability of the online platform. Most people either expect or only support .doc files and very few support the Works format (can't remember the extention offhand). That's usually why people don't buy Works and buy Office instead.
I agree, ~x86 breaks my build all the time. However, it's rarely Portage that is breaking. Nine times out of ten there is a compiler error that everyone else has picked up that breaks the build and forces the Portage team to roll back the version. I think it's hard to fault the distro when it's actually the developers who are breaking the code.
There have been many posts over what Gentoo's stated purpose is. When you read the link above regarding the comments on the mailing list (on LWN), you'll see that even the developers fight over its purpose. Personally, I think that is okay. I use Gentoo because it's highly customizable and I can get all the bells and whistles. The documentation is excellent and the chatroom and forums are really helpful. I say they stop worrying about what Gentoo's purpose and goals are and just keep doing what they're doing. I'm happy just the way it is (although I kind of preferred the old stage 1 build myself).
And another thing - if someone adds a feature to portage, it's not going to break or change the way I do things. I've never used the Graphical LiveCD and I probably never will. I think the freedom to add that should be included, just as I have the freedom to ignore it if I like. Very few things are forced on you by Gentoo, even Desktops/WM's like Gnome and KDE. It's all about choice, and Gentoo definitely personifies that more than other distros.