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Sony Announces Global Battery Recall

snafu109 writes "Since the laptop battery recalls initiated by Dell, Apple, IBM/Lenovo, Toshiba & Fujitsu, some may have wondered whether the entire lot should be recalled. Well, over at MarketWatch, a new article reports just that. 'Sony said Thursday it will initiate a global replacement program for certain battery packs that use its lithium-ion cells in notebook computers in order to address concerns related to recent over-heating incidents.' In related news, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has released some tips on how to lower the risk of your laptop batteries exploding, no matter who the manufacturer."

109 comments

  1. At least they are recyclable by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but this is still going to be one hell of a bill.

    -Rick

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    1. Re:At least they are recyclable by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When looking at energy efficiency of power products, it's important to include the costs of manufacturing, maintenance and disposal. These true costs are what kills many power techs, like nuclear, most PV solar, and, say, slave boat rowers.

      I wonder how much energy will be spent per battery, including roundtrip airfreight fuel and your reading this message that I write, before the battery's current lifecycle is over.

      Of course those hidden costs aren't part of our decisions when we buy these devices to stay running away from tethered power for a plane flight. But they do count, and really add up when a massive recall is executed. Even the overall efficiency of a recalled car model must be impacted by the recall process.

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    2. Re:At least they are recyclable by FirstOne · · Score: 1

      PV is recyclable,

      Aluminum frame.. no brainer.. (scrap dealers will pay you $~0.50lb)..
      Clear Glass. Another no brainer..
      Resin backing. (Add some solvent and make it into another PV panel.)
      Remaining Silicon and Copper.. Easily recycled.

      As for True Costs.. tack in the costs of GW..
            and all the Fossil fuel solutions fly right out the window.

      Just for grins..
        What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?

    3. Re:At least they are recyclable by Control+Group · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?

      I hope you're not seriously implying that the relative performance and cost characteristics of PV in orbit, where the cost per kg of payload at launch is astronomical (har!), the environment they operate in varies in temperature by hundreds of degrees, available sunlight is completely unfiltered by atmosphere, and there is zero chance of replacing spent fuel (see point 1)somehow translates meaningfully to their performance characteristics on the surface in comparison to other energy sources.

      Because that would be ridiculous.

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    4. Re:At least they are recyclable by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

      These materials are recyclable, which is certainly a better setup than before. But my point is the energy costs of recycling. How much energy is consumed in remanufacturing PV into a second duty cycle? Per energy produced in its prior cycle? Plus original manufacture and other maintenance? This is not a rhetorical question - I've spent dozens of hours, maybe hundreds, over the past 5-10 years trying to get those numbers for my own construction plans.

      A more rhetorical question is the energy budget of the PV powered satellites. Because the rockets launching them are so energy inefficient, especially when including their R&D, manufacturing, maintenance and pollution costs. Like with these notebook batteries, their PV is essential because it's the only way to run in their deployment environment, despite the huge inefficiency of their overall energy system.

      Ultimately, practically all those energy inputs burn petrofuels (or a little nuclear, and a tiny bit of hydroelectic, and negligible other sources). So these "alternatives" look good in the narrow view of their operating hours, but their total lifecycle probably burns even more petrofuels than straight combustion power.

      Energy consumption lies at the center of our economics, national security, and military, all interconnected at many levels. The only way to cut this gordian knot is to scale back the total energy consumption of all of these industries. Knowing the full true costs is an essential first step to reducing them.

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    5. Re:At least they are recyclable by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      "and there is zero chance of replacing spent fuel"

      I do believe the chance is decidly non-zero.
      Very very small, maybe, but still greater than zero none the less.
      -nB

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    6. Re:At least they are recyclable by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That solvent for your resin isn't exactly Perrier, so you have to figure out something to do with that. Semiconductor fabrication isn't exactly made from angel farts, either. Depending on how you do the math, PV can be pretty costly.

      "What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?"

      When you don't have to worry about an atmosphere, or mass production, and you can't really refuel the thing, your solution set changes. PV is a really good alternative for satellites. It's less ideal for, say, houses in Portland, OR.

      Your mileage certainly does vary.

      (Having said that, I think an RTG would be a fun thing to have in the basement...)

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    7. Re:At least they are recyclable by Rogerborg · · Score: 1
      > What percentage of earth orbiting satellites are powered by anything but PV?

      Slightly less than there used to be.

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    8. Re:At least they are recyclable by Control+Group · · Score: 1

      All right, point taken. I was, perhaps, exaggerating slightly. For effect.

      Mea maxima culpa, and all that.

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  2. quote by notea42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Favorite Quote from the Consumer Products Safety Comission: "Computer batteries can get hot during normal use. Do not use your computer on your lap." Not much good as a LAPtop, then.

    1. Re:quote by Chode2235 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thats why they are all called notebooks now. You aren't supposed to put them on your lap, but keep your notes in them...

    2. Re:quote by badfish99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, don't use it on your lap, unless you want to suffer the fate of this man, who burned a ... er ... sensitive part of his anatomy.
      If the battery bursts into flames, you definitely don't want it on your lap.

    3. Re:quote by Bob_Villa · · Score: 1

      I like the T42 from IBM (I guess now Lenovo makes them). They vent the heat out the side through a little air vent so you can have it in your lap and it doesn't get hot. I know there is still the danger of the battery exploding, but it is a nice touch, plus it makes for a great handwarmer in the winter.

    4. Re:quote by rizzo420 · · Score: 1

      most newer laptops have side vents. the batteries still get warm though and if you put the laptop on a soft surface (like a bed or couch), the laptop usually sinks in far enough to restrict the airflow.

      i use my HP laptop on my lap all the time, but i make sure that the vent is hanging off the side of my leg, keeping the warmest part of it off of me and allowing air to flow.

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    5. Re:quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? No pictures?

    6. Re:quote by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Found them:

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    7. Re:quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mod down parent and don't click since it's gnaa last measure

    8. Re:quote by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Glad you liked it. :-)

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    9. Re:quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know on.nimp=lm
      You failed good internet sir.

  3. I sense a conspiracy! by general+scruff · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ok, here's the deal. Now sony is going to have millions of highly explosive batteries. Who thinks this might not be a good thing...

    Today: Rootkits, and DRM
    Tomorrow: Holding the world hostage with boiling lithium..

    eeek...

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    1. Re:I sense a conspiracy! by fistfullast33l · · Score: 3, Funny

      I for one will never give into their demands. My Dell will never use DRM'd mus...BOOM... %^%@13#^$3@#$*^&^NO CARRIER

    2. Re:I sense a conspiracy! by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Informative

      In unrelated news, Sony announced today a movie rental program featuring their latest Digital Rights Management scheme. Each movie cartridge features an embedded power and monitoring system; if any attempts are made to copy the movie or circumvent the protection, the movie implodes to ensure that the copyright holder's rights are maintained.

      As part of their environmental initiative, Sony has also announced that they secured a source of recycled power supplies and detonation units for this new program.

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  4. why by Amouth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It looks to me like they are trying to save face here.. though i don't think it will help much..
    Sony just keeps digging a bigger hole each way you look... I have to wonder if the exec's arn't stipping the company apart from the inside

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    1. Re:why by glebd · · Score: 1

      Sony announces global recall of the two remaining batteries still being used by the public.

    2. Re:why by Amouth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have noticed that until now they never recalled them for their own laptops... i wonder who they get their battiers from

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    3. Re:why by AceCaseOR · · Score: 1

      They use the defective non-exploding batteries for their own laptops.

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  5. Further Details... by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sony announced today that, as part of their Global Replacement Program, they will be replacing the entire globe. "Yes, we screwed up so badly, that it is cheaper to leave and start a new planet than to fix everything that Sony has done wrong," said a Sony representative. Among Sony's past transgressions include rootkit-enabled laptop batteries, exploding CDs, and firing Nellie McKay. "On our new planet, we will build a Sonyful utopia, a planet by Sony, for Sony forever. A DRMed paradise for all to behold."

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    1. Re:Further Details... by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 1

      Its LRM. Living Rights Management.

      Of course, the first person who tries to explain to me why its a good thing gets a shotgun shell in the face...

    2. Re:Further Details... by John+Bokma · · Score: 1

      Gives a whole new meaning to "My first Sony" :-)

    3. Re:Further Details... by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      A DRMed paradise for all to behold.
      ...where we encrypt criminals and throw away the key.

      - RG>
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    4. Re:Further Details... by traindirector · · Score: 1

      Better start saving up for some Sony lungs to breath their proprietary oxygen...

  6. More tips to prevent explosion! by shoolz · · Score: 4, Funny
    Wow, those suggestions were really useful and non-obvious. But here's the few big ones they missed that you might not know about:
    • Never rip a battery in half (while the laptop is running);
    • Do not boil your battery or place it in a dishwasher;
    • Never use your battery as a dog chew-toy;
    • If you have a spare battery, never staple it to your laptop case - store it in a side pocket instead.
    1. Re:More tips to prevent explosion! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Do not taunt your Sony battery

    2. Re:More tips to prevent explosion! by Ponga · · Score: 1
      Okay, I *HAD* to reply to this. This is from an SNL sketch, "Happy Fun Ball" - CLASSIC!

      An excerpt:

      Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Happy Fun Ball.
      Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
      Happy Fun Ball Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
      Do not use Happy Fun Ball on concrete.

      Here is the whole thing: http://www.happyfunball.com/hfb.html

      -Ponga

    3. Re:More tips to prevent explosion! by MbM · · Score: 1

      Warming it up in the microwave is still safe, right?

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  7. OK, I'll say it by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    PS3 fiasco
    Rootkit
    Laptop batteries
    BluRay
    RIAA/MPAA support


    Sony is looking more and more like a company that is poorly led and one that maybe can't be trusted. These are all (so far) huge public relation disasters. I think they need to rethink their strategy, in the meantime, I will be politely avoiding their products.

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    1. Re:OK, I'll say it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony is looking more and more like a company that is poorly led and one that maybe can't be trusted. These are all (so far) huge public relation disasters. I think they need to rethink their strategy, in the meantime, I will be politely avoiding their products.

      Maybe can't be trusted? Maybe can't be trusted?!

      You're being far too polite.

    2. Re:OK, I'll say it by treeves · · Score: 1

      Why is P flamebait when he says the same thing that others did, just not making a joke out of it? Jokes only work because there's truth in them.

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    3. Re:OK, I'll say it by gamigad · · Score: 1

      Modded Flamebait? What, have facts and honest opinion become trolling????

    4. Re:OK, I'll say it by Inner_Child · · Score: 1

      You've got to give him credit though - positive score + flamebait mod, that's not seen very often.

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    5. Re:OK, I'll say it by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      See Panel 1 for an explanation.

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    6. Re:OK, I'll say it by chromozone · · Score: 1

      I would have added proprietary memory media. I wont buy Sony cameras etc since I would have to use their memory media instead of what I already own.

    7. Re:OK, I'll say it by Trifthen · · Score: 1

      It's not just that. The name "Sony" once meant quality. Now it seems they can't do anything right. I'd stay away from Sony products simply because it seems they break or explode frequently. ;)

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    8. Re:OK, I'll say it by Leviance · · Score: 1

      Sony had better hope Blu-ray takes off... Otherwise their stock is going to be worth nothing...

  8. obligatory.... by Daedone · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In Soviet Russia, Batteries explode you !!

    1. Re:obligatory.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was it REALLY obligatory or can we just mod you overrated and stop the stuptidy of Soviet Russia non-funny comments?

    2. Re:obligatory.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, stupidity stops you!

  9. One of the suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Do not use your computer on your lap"

    Them peoples are crazy i'll tell ya! Using their laptops on their lap!

  10. Confused? Worried? by mac123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And yet no recall on the batteries in my Sony Vaio laptop?

    1. Re:Confused? Worried? by CheddarHead · · Score: 1
      And yet no recall on the batteries in my Sony Vaio laptop?


      Yes, I was wondering about this as well. My wife has a Sony Vaio which I'm quite sure has a Sony battery in it. I've been looking for a link to check Sony models against but haven't been able to find one. If anyone knows where to find information for Sony computers please post the link.

      Thanks
    2. Re:Confused? Worried? by creepynut · · Score: 1

      She doesn't need to worry. Sony is quite smart enough to know not to use their own batteries.

    3. Re:Confused? Worried? by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wondering the same thing too...

      From what I've read, it appears that Sony puts more battery charging safeguards into to their branded notebooks than Dell, Apple, etc do?

      Ron

    4. Re:Confused? Worried? by billmcnamara · · Score: 0

      good way to get rid of the wife though.. I'll gladly replace one near exploding charge! :)

    5. Re:Confused? Worried? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      What about all the batteries they make for cameras and other portable electronics ? Are those going to blow up any time soon ?

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  11. The worst way for this to happen to Sony by ConfusedSelfHating · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only do they have to do a full recall, but it gets dragged out through months of bad press. People will be calling their relatives asking if their laptops have Sony batteries in them. Do you think the laptop companies are going to blame anyone but Sony?

    Sony should have seen this coming and bit the bullet at that point. This has turned into a PR disaster. Most people don't understand the concept of a root kit, but they do understand "can't bring laptop on a plane, because it might bring the plane down" (Virgin Atlantic did ban several brands of laptops because of this issue) or "laptop bursts into flame, everybody blames Sony". It's a very simple concept and everybody can understand it. When technology doesn't work properly or worse becomes a hazard, people become angry and scared. And the last thing a company wants is to have its name associated with fear and pain.

    1. Re:The worst way for this to happen to Sony by pizpot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wait till a house catches fire and someone dies. Then Sony really will be a 4-letter word.

  12. Check e-bay in a few months by Dekortage · · Score: 1

    Check E-bay in a few months, as well as all the discount suspiciously-low-price stores through Yahoo. There are going to be a helluva lot of cheap laptop batteries for sale in "as is" condition....

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    1. Re:Check e-bay in a few months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since this is a recall, they have to take back the bad batch of batteries and replace them with new ones. It would be silly for ebay sellers to sell them used when they can sell their replacement at a much better price.

    2. Re:Check e-bay in a few months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Recall' means that they're going to take back your old battery and give you a replacement.
      So, no, there won't be any defective batteries on sale on Ebay.

    3. Re:Check e-bay in a few months by Phisbut · · Score: 1
      Since this is a recall, they have to take back the bad batch of batteries and replace them with new ones.

      And when Sony is left with hundreds of thousand of bad batteries on their hands, don't you think someone somewhere will figure out how to grab a couple of them and sell them? I doubt all those batteries will be destroyed/recycled within months or even years.

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    4. Re:Check e-bay in a few months by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      Well, you could say the same about anything that Sony has on their stock. Do you also see a couple of brand new Sony vaio computers for sale? Do you hear a lot about their stocks being stolen?

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  13. low incidence by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the tips-to-prevent-fires link:
    There are tens of millions of portable computers in use. The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) is aware of at least 47 incidents involving smoke or fire associated with notebook computers, from January 2001 through August 2006.

    So, taking a low-ball figure of 20 million for total notebooks in use from 1/01 thorugh 8/06, that's still just over 2 incidents per million notebooks... I wonder how many incidents there would be per million notebook-use-hours.

    To contrast, the rail system in the US was very pround when, in 1993, they were able to reduce reportable safety incidents below 3.0 per million train miles.

    What I'm trying to say is that people are getting very worked up over a not-very-big deal (not that the goal shouldn't be 0 incidents per million hours) -- and considering the minor harm that such fires are likely to cause, is it worth the economic and financial impact of these recalls?
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    1. Re:low incidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are saying that riding a train for one mile and owning a laptop for a year should be similarly risky activities ?

      Since train trips are thousands of miles, I would expect trains to be MUCH SAFER.

      Secondly, you don't say what an "incident" is for the train statistic. Is it creaming a school bus full of kids ? An engineer slips and busts his ass on the floor ? Hit a deer on the tracks ?

      Basically, you are just throwing around numbers with lots of zeros and waving your hands, Carl Sagan style.

    2. Re:low incidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be acceptable, or even pretty damn good, figure if the failure does not result in potential physical harm. My man, the thing is not failing and turning into a doorstop. It can start fire/explode. House burning down, friends/relatives getting killed, the possibilities (and subsequent law suits) are endless, however rare it may be.

    3. Re:low incidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up and go lick Ken's boots, maybe you will get a ps3 for your ass kissing.

    4. Re:low incidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let me give you any ideas, but I haven't heard of anyone even attempting to commit suicide with a notebook, but there are significant train delays at least once a month at the station I get out to work that are due to "damaged people" as they call this around here.

  14. Sony Batteries by sloth+jr · · Score: 2, Funny

    * apologies to Happy Fun Ball/SNL

    Sony Batteries

    -only $14.95-

            * Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Sony Batteries.
            * Caution: Sony Batteries may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
            * Sony Batteries Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
            * Do not use Sony Batteries on concrete.

    Discontinue use of Sony Batteries if any of the following occurs:

            * Itching
            * Vertigo
            * Dizziness
            * Tingling in extremities
            * Loss of balance or coordination
            * Slurred speech
            * Temporary blindness
            * Profuse sweating
            * Heart palpitations

    If Sony Batteries begin to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

    Sony Batteries may stick to certain types of skin.

    When not in use, Sony Batteries should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration...

    Failure to do so relieves the makers of Sony Batteries, Sony Corporation, of any and all liability.

    Ingredients of Sony Batteries include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.

    Sony Batteries have been shipped to our troops in Afghanistan and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.

    Do not taunt Sony Batteries.

    Sony Batteries come with a lifetime guarantee.

    Sony Batteries

    ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!

  15. You left out a few: by Picass0 · · Score: 1


    Universal Media Disk
    PSP "White is Coming" ad campaign
    Lack of PSP title support

  16. New batteries better? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My Dell was one of the laptops with the recalled battery, so I promptly sent for a replacement. Mind you, I never had any problems with the battery at all - the computer ran cool as a cucumber (And never exploded). Of course, why would I turn down the chance for a new batter, if for no other reason than it should be better at holding a charge then my 18 month old one. Got my new battery in the mail last week, and guess what? The darn thing runs so hot, even when the laptop is running of of A/C power, that I'm practially burning my left palm everytime I use it. Is it too late to get my old battery back?

    1. Re:New batteries better? by The+GooMan · · Score: 1

      "Is it too late to get my old battery back?" I'm sorta confused. My wife's Inspiron was affected by the recall and I didn't have to send the old battery back.

    2. Re:New batteries better? by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Did you actually get a new battery? Did you check the date of manufacture? I have a suspicion that somewhere in the bowels of Sony that there's a little man who shuffles 99% of the at-risk batteries from an In pile to an Out pile. On the bright side, someone who had a hot battery is no doubt enjoying a cool lap thanks to yours now.

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    3. Re:New batteries better? by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      While technically you don't *have* to send it back, they send you a pre-paid return packing slip in the hopes that you do (Which I foolishly did)

  17. Smoking bag in an airport! by raddan · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Jesus! The article mentions a guy whose laptop started smoking as he boarded a plane.
    The safety of Lenovo's batteries was called into question in mid-September after an IBM ThinkPad caught fire at the Los Angeles International Airport. A passenger who had charged his laptop at the airport boarded his plane and then realized his computer bag was smoking. He ran off the plane onto the jetway, and the overheated notebook computer began throwing off sparks, Lenovo said.
    Good thing there wasn't a trigger happy air marshall there! If only he had some water to put out the... oh, wait. If I were this guy I'd be thankful to be alive.
    1. Re:Smoking bag in an airport! by walt-sjc · · Score: 1

      As always, should you or any of your I. M. Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This notebook will self destruct in 10 seconds...

      Damn Mr. Phelps! At least read your messages in private!

  18. From the Notebook Computer Use Tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    # Computer batteries can get hot during normal use. Do not use your computer on your lap.

    But it's a LAPtop!

    # Do not use your computer on soft surfaces, such as a sofa, bed or carpet, because it can restrict airflow and cause overheating.

    No more pr0n in bed :[

  19. Current state of science? by AllanVanHulst · · Score: 1

    Ehm .. are we in the process of creating a nuclear fusion reactor (ITER)? Let's try to create a good battery first!!

    1. Re:Current state of science? by treeves · · Score: 1

      No, there were plans to locate the ITER in Japan, but they ended up deciding to put in France.
      Of course, there's a big difference between mass producing millions of a thing as cheaply as possible using laborers working for a dollar a day, and building a huge one-of-a-kind project with a huge budget and twenty year time frame using hundreds of physicists and engineers.

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  20. Why do the explode? by dayyan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just in case some of you are wondering why these batteries explode. A scientific summary would be: They become overcharged.

    And if you are wondering how overcharging can create an explosion. Another scientific summary would be: If you put more energy into an environment which cannot handle it. It becomes unstable.

    If you are wondering why an environment becomes unstable when too much energy is involved: It comes down to atomic science.

    Wondering why it comes down to atomic science? You might want to think about going back to school, we need more scientific minds like you.

    1. Re:Why do the explode? by pizpot · · Score: 1

      Just in case some of you are wondering why these batteries explode. A scientific summary would be: They become overcharged.

      I thought it was when metal particles from the machine fall into the battery while it is being created. The layers or lithium are thin and rolled up and the metal can create a short due to vibration or thermal contraction. Then the battery shorts itself and starts a metal fire.

      PS: Hey slashdot, you can filter out carriage returns and newline characters and replace them with HTML br with the following perl commands.

      $string =~ s/\r\n/####/isg;
      $string =~s/\n/####/isg; #Where #### is the HTML br tag. Am I missing something?

    2. Re:Why do the explode? by toomz · · Score: 1

      That rules out my RoHS conspiracy theory.

      On the other hand I can't wait until millions of highly toxic RoHS compliant rechargeable batteries get recalled because their recharging circuits start developing tin whiskers, short circuit and explode. Look what you whiny environmentalists did! Muahahaha.

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  21. Sony Xplod by lynchmenow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why don't they just market their batteries under the Sony Xplod brand?

    1. Re:Sony Xplod by popeye44 · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points.. I'd have modded this up.. Damn thats funny. Must be less people have heard of Xplod than I thought.

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  22. And what about my NON-LAPTOP Lithium batteries? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got an aftermarket external Li-Ion DVD-player battery pack, and the guys who sold it to me won't fess up to the manufacturer of the cells.

    Anybody got any bright ideas on how to figure if I've got a problem here? (Apart for listening for the bang, that is...)

  23. Okay... Sony has recalled a bunch of batteries... by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    .... And when I get my new battery, will it be made by Sony or someone else? If it's made by Sony, you'll excuse me if I am a bit gunshy about using it.

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  24. Environmental factors by raind · · Score: 1

    So what happens to all these batteries? Would hope there will be some massive recycling going on. Anyone with more information?

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  25. Where? by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

    Where can we find more details of the entire recall - TFA didn't mention it and the SOny Web site seems to just be full of how wonderful they are.

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  26. Thanks Slashdot by treeves · · Score: 1

    Thanks to the story here yesterday on the IBM/Lenovo battery recall, I went to the website and checked my battery on my T43. Whaddya know, it's one that's part of the recall. I called and they transferred me to a call center in Atlanta and I was on hold for about 10 minutes. I should have my replacement within 4 weeks. Of course they said not to use it anymore - i.e. just use AC power (that's alternating current, not anonymous coward power!) and I know they have to say that but I'm going to keep using the battery. It's never gotten hot and I can't go 4 weeks with no battery. It's an extra capacity battery that keeps my machine going almost 6 hours. Gotta love that.

    I am wondering why it took IBM so long to decide to recall the batteries, and I wonder when the flaming Thinkpad battery incident described on the CPSC website actually happened.

    The great thing is, I've gotten to use this battery for a year and a half, and now I get a fresh one for free! I hope it has the same capacity or I will be unhappy.

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  27. Just a couple more by famikon · · Score: 0

    Mini Disc Memory Stick ...betamax.

    1. Re:Just a couple more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Betamax was an okay format that they actually licensed far and wide, despite the popular myth that they didn't

      JVC just had a format that was better and cheaper. It could store two solid hours on a tape, Beta couldn't, and that clinched it.

      The minidisc medium was a really damn nice one, and ATRAC would have been decent had not Sony killed it with various stupidities.

      Memory stick ... I don't know what they were thinking, CF was already quite entrenched by then.

      I like the form factor of UMD, but there's hardly anything else to like about it.

  28. Re:Check e-bay ... you get the NEW BATTERY FIRST by cycle003 · · Score: 1

    No, they don't take back your old battery, then give you a new one. They first send you a new one, then you send the old one back in the provided box using a pre-paid shipping label. The instructions I received from Dell with my replacement battery even said the shipment would be refused if more than one battery was included. It's not like they're dying to get the old ones back since they (ultimately Sony, I'm sure) have to pay for disposal.

  29. In related news by gpalyu · · Score: 1

    "In related news, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has released some tips on how to lower the risk of your laptop batteries exploding, no matter who the manufacturer." Tip #1: DON'T BUY BATTERIES FROM SONY. Tip #2: see tip #1.

  30. to be fair... by RingDev · · Score: 1

    To be fair though, you have to look at it as an opportune expense. The energy would be spent in any case, but is this the most efficient use or process?

    Like you samples, it takes a lot of energy/emissions to create a solar array. That 'wasted' energy reduces the total life cycle energy performance of solar arrays. But is the final performance better or worse than a coal burning alternative? And depending on what life cycle? (Energy, longevity, emissions, cost, prof fit, etc...)

    It takes a lot of energy to create nuclear fuel, to keep a nuclear plant operating, and to dispose of (err, not to dispose of in the US's case) spent nuclear fuel, but the amount of energy created by the plant can offset that amount greatly.

    As compared to alternative fuels like ethanol (in the US!) where you are looking at barely breaking even once you consider the fuel and chemicals required to grow the feed stock, process the fuel, and transport the fuel.

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    1. Re:to be fair... by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      Well, that's pretty close to what I'm saying. The "life cycle" of the product is defined regardless of the costs:benefits tracked in that cycle, but they must be measured against one another. And yes, they must be measured against both perfect maximum efficiency, and the alternatives - including doing nothing.

      In the case of solar, 15% efficiency of energy production across a 20 year lifecycle does look like a losing proposition compared to the energy costs of manufacture, deployment, maintenance and recycling. But it's close enough that maybe 25% efficiency would net win.

      In the case of nuclear, especially considering the security risks and longterm maintenance costs, it's a net loss in energy.

      Ethanol as used in the US is a losing proposition, but improvements in scaled economies and the more efficient local (only) consumption, combined with infrastructure upgrades like ethanol fuelcells powering DC equipment centers, show the potential for a more efficient alternative.

      One of the interesting demos I saw at the Wired NextFest in NYC this week was a company that recycles mixed discarded appliances back into useful plastic stocks at 10% the cost of manufacturing new plastic from raw petrochemicals. Because their own waste fraction can be fed to processes like the CWT steam reformation into diesel oil. The plastic extraction seems to be 10x more efficient than current standard production, while the subsequent energy extraction produces probably somewhere around 4-5x the energy investment. Now, if someone could extract energy from the oil to produce plastic rather than CO2, we might be looking at a vastly more efficient process. Especially when factoring in the cost of currently emitting that CO2 (and other gases/wastes).

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    2. Re:to be fair... by FirstOne · · Score: 1

      "To be fair though, you have to look at it as an opportune expense. The energy would be spent in any case, but is this the most efficient use or process?"

      Large scale Recycling as by far more energy efficient. 5x energy savings is typical. I suggest you do some research on it.

      Note: Most published EROI calcs for PV are somewhat out of date and somewhat misleading. Those old calcs use national(lower 48) solar flux averages, fixed mounting, and based on wasteful manufacturing tech.

      My EROI calcs would include, favorable sighting.. (Desert SW solar flux, almost double national average), mount them on dual axis trackers (+%35 and improves lifespan), spread them out to limit enviromental impact, localise the production of PV panels&trackers for multi GW sized arrays, and employ the latest large scale PV manufacturing tech(18 to 22% panel efficiency). Where needed, a HVDC transmission system can efficiently carry the energy to distant markets.

      Net effect, Energy Pay Back Time drops to well under 3 months.
            or a net Energy Return On Energy Invested of 140 to 1.

      Wind is also has a high EROEI.. Currently something like 90 to 1.

      Meanwhile Coal's EROEI is around 5 to 1. There is lots of plant overhead and infrastructure needed to keep a coal plant in daily operation.

      Localised recycling & remanufacture would at least DOUBLE the EROEI for either PV or Wind. Thus making sustainable renewables even cheaper.

  31. Let's turn the question around... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    Let's turn the question around... If you have a laptop with a faulty battery which can kill you, do you want to keep it that way?

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  32. Check your battery manufacturer in Linux by MrBoombasticfantasti · · Score: 3, Informative
    To check the model number and manufacturer of your battery:

    cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0

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    1. Re:Check your battery manufacturer in Linux by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 1

      cat: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0: Is a directory :/ For me, it was instead:

      cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info

    2. Re:Check your battery manufacturer in Linux by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

      And in windows, you can download a shareware ver of BatteryMon at http://www.passmark.com/products/batmon.htm

      No relation, but I did find the utility helpful.

      Grump.

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  33. Everyone blames Sony by griffon666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is interesting that everyone is blaming Sony and no one talks about Toshiba here. Back when Apple recalled batteries, quite a few people in this forum bitched about Apple. Now that Apple, Dell, Lenovo, and Toshiba have recalled batteries, people do realize who's fault it is.

    If I had been Sony, I would have asked the manufacturers to recall batteries all at the same time. Instead, they are getting bad press four times in a row as all the reputable manufacturers recall their batteries. What a PR disaster!

    I write this on a 12" Powerbook G4 1.5GHz; Apple recalled my first battery a year ago (it was an LG battery) and replaced it with a faulty Sony. I am currently awaiting the second replacement battery for this faulty Sony.

  34. PS: slashdot already handles this by The+Darkness · · Score: 1

    PS: Hey slashdot, you can filter out carriage returns and newline characters and replace them with HTML br with the following perl commands.

    $string =~ s/\r\n/####/isg;
    $string =~s/\n/####/isg; #Where #### is the HTML br tag. Am I missing something?


    Hey pizpot, use the "Plain Old Text" input type and it will already do this for you. It also allows HTML tags in the "Plain Old Text" posting format.

    (Posted with Plain Old Text)

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    1. Re:PS: slashdot already handles this by pizpot · · Score: 1

      Hey pizpot, use the "Plain Old Text" input type and it will already do this for you. It also allows HTML tags in the "Plain Old Text" posting format.

      Cool, I missed that by not looking in the drop box. All this time I though something was loopy. Makes me think the default should be changed, or is everyone writing their posts in Composer and pasting them into slashdot. Thanks eh.

  35. Intense focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I find amusing about this whole ordeal is that it's nothing really new... Li-Ion batteries have been having explosive incidents for years now (mainly with cell phones). And recalls have been pretty large already as well (Kyocera's recall of 1 million cell phone batteries). I wonder if all this attention is more due to aggregators like Digg and Reddit and video sites like YouTube and Google Video that give even the smallest incident a barrage of hyper focus.

  36. Quick Point by Zordas · · Score: 1

    Just to clarify ... "Since the laptop battery recalls initiated by Dell, Apple, IBM/Lenovo, Toshiba & Fujitsu" BS .. The only one to initiate the recall was Dell .. And they took a lot of heat for it. Please be accurate in your reporting !

  37. I'm just waiting... by lowe0 · · Score: 1

    ... for the battery in a PSP to take some 9-year-old's finger off.

    Lawsuit of the century.

  38. They don't just make laptop batteries... by MiniMike · · Score: 0

    My Sony camera (PSC-D200 or something similar, I left it at home today) uses (of course) a proprietary Sony battery. Does anybody know if these batteries are also susceptible to catching fire? In case I need it, is there a Gimp filter to remove flames from my pictures? What else are Sony batteries used in?

  39. SONY BATTERY PACKS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * Warning: Pregnant women, the elderly and children under 10 should avoid prolonged exposure to Sony battery packs.
    * Caution: Sony battery packs may suddenly accelerate to dangerous speeds.
    * Sony battery packs Contains a liquid core, which, if exposed due to rupture, should not be touched, inhaled, or looked at.
    * Do not use Sony battery packs on concrete.

    Discontinue use of Sony battery packs if any of the following occurs:

    * Itching
    * Vertigo
    * Dizziness
    * Tingling in extremities
    * Loss of balance or coordination
    * Slurred speech
    * Temporary blindness
    * Profuse sweating
    * Heart palpitations

    If Sony battery packs begins to smoke, get away immediately. Seek shelter and cover head.

    Sony battery packs may stick to certain types of skin.

    When not in use, Sony battery packs should be returned to its special container and kept under refrigeration...

    Failure to do so relieves the makers of Sony battery packs, Sony Electronics, and its parent company Sony Corporation, of any and all liability.

    Ingredients of Sony battery packs include an unknown glowing substance which fell to Earth, presumably from outer space.

    Sony battery packs has been shipped to our troops in Saudi Arabia and is also being dropped by our warplanes on Iraq.

    Do not taunt Sony battery packs.

    Sony battery packs comes with a lifetime guarantee.

  40. Wacko bin Looney is a good market for these cells by swschrad · · Score: 1

    hey, they're used to make stuff blow up, what could be better? sony makes out like a bandit selling to a bandit. strong buy on sony US certificates. they can even throw in the source code for their rootkit!

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  41. HASTA LA BYE-BYE by btnheazy03 · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the Walkman