I think your hanger comment needs a qualifying statement. I know many people who own hangers. Of course most of those hangers barely hold a twin engine cessna. My grandpa even build his last house with the intent of being able to use his basement as a hanger.
True-dat.
Then again, in all honesty you could probably just as easily submit your screenplay in script formatting like a radio drama, right align everything, submit it in size 9 font and if it was a real winner, they wouldn't say no. Assuming you could convince someone to read it.:)
George Llucas I know has a quite bizzare screenplay formatting, and I personally think it actually works pretty well.
Annnnyyywayyyy.... so how's life...;)
If you're to the point where people are even considering giving you a dime, you've probably already pitched and you've probably gotten to a point where some poor sap locked away in a darkened room with several hundred screenplays is being forced to read them through: all the way, write coverage and recommend or discourage any sort of attention to it.
These places exist, and I know an unfortunate soul who did this job for several years.
If he was approaching any sort of studio or production company, some poor sap has had to of read it by now. And from the sounds of it that poor sap recommended somebody with some decision making power read it (2nd generation copy floating in the universe somewhere). Now the article makes it sound like nobody with money actually promised him anything, but if his claims are true and he had a 2.5 million dollar contract then they much have approached somebody with money (Add another 2 or 3 xeroxes). Even if it was just a holding company who wanted to option the screenplay in order to sell it to a production company (and then promised him a cut of gross) you're looking at probably at least 3 copies of the screenplay being made.
- I said many not all. The overall format of a screenplay yes is to equate in pages to minutes. Many of the formatting rules have been developed for ease and clarity of reading. Many of the rules have been developed just for the sake of consistancy. But try xeroxing a New Roman font and behold the pain. Courier fonts are nearly indistructable to xeroxing from my experience, even the crappies coppiers and scanners on earth will be legible.
Either way... the details are irrellevant. If any real deal was being worked out, there would be xeroxes of it everywhere. He would have made backups. He wouldn't have continued to use his computer after the deltion and he would probably have commited suicide in the interim.
He also sounds like a dumb enough individual to have just haphazardly risked sending excessively well binded copies to big names around the world. Probably their "home addresses".;)
It actually does say in the article that he did eventually get a forensic recovery of the data. But he didn't set aside the hard drive and the files were overwritten by Napster and other data.
Does this mean that the entertainment industry can say that it lost another $2.7m to napster?
Let me get this straight: a writer is closing in on a multimillion dollar deal with a production company to buy his screenplay. And I'm supposed to believe they signed on without ever receiving a copy!
When you submit a screenplay to an interested party, the first thing they usually do is start photocopying it. Dozens even hundreds of times depending on how far through the process the screenplay makes it. When someone buys a screenplay, they usually run it past dozens of individuals before it's even looked at by someone with decision making power.
Many of the modern screenplay formatting rules have come from the need to photocopy it with as little degradation as possible.
The good news is. It shouldn't take him more than a a day or two to rewrite it. Once you know your story and characters, and have worked on the screenplay in your head for a number of years it shouldn't take you more than a couple of days. Besides who buys a screenplay and doesn't do a rewrite?
God I have like 20 copies of several screenplays from college just lieing around in a box in my closet. I can't believe somebody would never print off, backup or email a copy of his screenplay over the course of time it took to write it.
Windows 2003. If it wasn't so damned expensive I would put it on all of my workstations. I see consistant 100% performance increases in many 3d and compositing apps. They put magic fairy dust in there, that's the only explanation I can find.
With every single PC vendor invested in the idea of destroying Apple, I don't see Apple being able to win a war of minds/marketing.
The only person really invested in Apple succeeding is Apple. Dell, HP, Best Buy, Gateway, AMD and many many more have a huge investment in being able to sell computers and computer components. Unless you're on Apple's "in" list of mandated components, you don't want to see a closed architecture win. To some degree Intel moving to the apple platform will at least bring on giant to their defense, but it's a small step in the long run.
---It just so happens that he was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead well... well with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do. -- What's that? -- Pull the plug.
In the case of North/South Korea, which I believe the parent was responding to I would reckon very few children are going to wander out into the mine fields. And seeing as that standoff is going to last for at least another 20 years, and the mines are limited to such a specific area. There is absolutely no reason to not mine it sky high.
I think you're confused. Something tells me if you saw an ad for anti-bush T-shirts, it was only because they couldn't possibly screen the vast quantity of ads this page has.
Did you look at their links list?
News Websites:
Newsmax.com Drudge Report Foxnews.com Rush Limbaugh JunkScience.com Lifesite.net Real Conservatives Canadian Coalition for Democracies Neale News honestreporting.ca The Conservative Voice
Yep that's a nice fair and balanced look at the world right there in that list.
In the case of young children, I believe the intent here is to prevent the need for the child to make a moral judgement before he's staring at possibly objectionable sites.
The wonderful thing about the Internet is you instantaneously arrive wherever you want to go. At which point is the user supposed to make a personal judgement about a site? While the request packet arrives at the server but before the data is returned?
I'm not saying I want my internet filtered, but if I did, I think the point of these things is to replace personal judgement so that you're not placed in a compromising situation.
I think when a tool tries to do too much, it is in danger of not doing anything particularly well, especially where there are design tradeoffs that have to made to integrate things.
That is true of a mechanical mechanism. I feel the opposite is true of software. If the hardware on a phone is capable of running just about any piece of software then the more things it tries to do the better it does all of them.
Not only that, but our preferences dictate what those around us buy.
My story:
I pirated 3d Studio Max R2 way back when it was released. I got into 3d through that app and it became my preferred work environment. Back then it was well over $4,000 per copy. Some kid in Jr. High wasn't, and shouldn't pay that for software he's just having fun with.
Since then, I have given feedback on a university program which led to more than 40 seets of Max being sold, and updated for the last 4-5 years. My recommendations led to another 30 copies being used in a new 3d program there. I've converted numerous individual. When my last job was looking to make a switch for their real-time art assets, I made a plug for Max and it went through selling more seats. In my life I've probably sold well over 150 licenses of 3d Studio Max. I've bought a couple for myself. All because I got a free copy in a shop on a street corner in singapore.
Not only that but all of those people who learned Max at the university and highschool are more likely to do just the same as me.
Was infringing on Kinetix/Autodesk's license illegal? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes. Did it make them a shitload of money? Yes. Take note companies of the world, if a specific demographic of piracy is generating you money, maybe you should embrace that community.
Case studies: Maya PLE, Full use = indoctrinating thousands in the way of Maya. Gmax, extremely limted = didn't compete with pirated version and failed. Digital Fusion Learner edition, Free Full use = has just about converted me.
The digital arts market is much like the drug market. If you can just get them hooked on your drug, they'll come back for more, and they might even send friends if they like what you've got.
If you thinks mathematics is advanced, just wait until you learn about literature. Now there is a field where they are pushing the boundries. Why I once saw this sentence which described a technology beyond my wildest dreams, I am just really frustrated by how slow the physicists have been in implementing it.
Even those of us with HDTVs don't want to fork over an extra 200 bucks for the PS3.
Ok... so ummm... I guess I get Blu-ray for 200 bucks. That would be dandy, if I wanted a Blu-ray player, which I don't, I want an HD-DVD player so that 200 bucks isn't a saving, it's large dead weight.
The graphics don't look any better on the PS3. Games are going the way of multi-platform, so there's a good chance except for MGS4 and final fantasy I'm going to get all the same games, at just about the same level of immersion for half the price.
Why do I want HD-DVD instead of Blu-ray? Because it's cheaper. Plain and simple. It is cheaper, it will always be cheaper, and it is "good enough". If you look at an HD-DVD demo, the quality is good enough. It's 1080, it's half the cost, and my TV can't look any better. That's the "value" sony keeps trying to promote, and it's not tied into a proprietary expensive system.
I disagree based on the pathetic speed of the Apple's product releases. And the console market in general.
Case in point. If you want a highspeed Intel based workstation. PCIe, SATA, RAM up the wazoo, maybe even dual dual core and in a tower format, you can't get it from Apple. Why? Who knows, I guess somebody in management decided we aren't ready for it yet. So if you want an intel workstation that runs OSX the best option is an Imac... That's right. I had to tell somebody that the best intel/mac workstation available right now was an Imac.
Console are much the same story. I don't want to have to wait 3-4 years to upgrade my computer. If I buy a highperformance workstation, I expect it to have the most top of the line components available today, not several months ago. I don't want to be a slave to the whims of the manufacturer as to when I can upgrade, what I can upgrade, and from whom I will purchase my upgrades.
I agree we'll probably see web terminals gain popularity. The mac mini, almost being an example of one. Dell has similar offerings. These computers will be clear purpose built, home PCs.
The difference with electric motors is, we've already made the transition. We have PCs, not mainframes... so that analogy is exhausted. In fact I would wager we'll move back towards the mainframe analogy as we demand more and more wireless functionality on our wireless devices. Web based apps are already an example of a move to the mainframe approach.
You know your house can be compromised with a brick. Cars are unbelievably susceptible to tire irons.
How about this for a safeguard. Your car is on the internet, your RFID tag is being used all over the place all the time. It checks in to see where you were last known to be. If 45 seconds ago you just entered a 7/11 8 blocks away, it can probably assume it's not you.
Of course... that's when you cue the tire iron, and your 8,000 dollar self tracker system was all for not.
... but that's just me, I'm sure you'll be fine.:)
Seriously though. In this day in age unless I give up my credit card, internet account and cell phone I just have to come to grips with the fact that people will be able to track me. The government can find me. Thieves can steal my identity. Why shouldn't I at least benefit from this lack of privacy.
All or nothing, I wouldn't have it any other way. Chip me up.
But you're failing to recognize a key point. In this situation there are only 2 options for Microsoft:
1) There is no default and the user is initially prompted.
Result: most people have no idea what option they want, they just click "ok" and get Microsoft's search. The rest immediately click Google or a9 or imdb or whatever.
2) It defaults to Microsoft.
Result: those who don't know what a search engine is, are happy. Those who aren't happy change it.
You're making the logical leap that these same users who apathetically accept Microsoft's search engine, would (given the choice) choose something else. I'm saying, even if you did give them the option, the users who wouldn't change a default, are the same users who would either purely by random choose one of x options or leave it on the first option (Microsoft).
What do you want a large essay in the installation: "Welcome to Microsoft Internet Explorer you will now be prompted for which search engine by default you have activated.
We just want to make sure this is as informed of a decision as possible so we've come up with a comparative analysis of the technology history and financial support of each search engine. Please read carefully before selecting.
[x] Microsoft's search was created recently in a response to the growing search dominance of Google. Written from the ground up to compete in the..... "
The vast majority of users have no idea how to install ANYTHING. They are stuck with using what is pre-loaded, and if it works fairly well, they don't complain.
I think that's a very telling statement. If it works fairly well, why change? If users can't tell an appreciable difference between two products, why would they care which they use? I can tell very cleary you want them to care, but you're fighting for the rights of individuals who really couldn't care less if the Devil himself performed the internet search and told them the results.
So let's recap. People hate installing things. They hate choosing between things they don't understand. And the current option seems just as good as any other to them. Those who do want something else, want to be able to choose... can.
This whole thing sounds like a huge non-issue to me.
I think the reason it's stupid isn't because it sounds like urine or some sort of other taboo innuendo. The reason it's dumb is because there is no easy way to say it in an english sentence that makes grammatical sense.
"Let's go play we." "There's a new game out for we." "We is going to have all of the back games for a low monthly fee." "Have you see the controller for we." "We like to play we." "We has all the games I could possibly want."
vs.
"Hey wanna come over and play xbox?" "The best place to find it is on yahoo." "Amazon has all the stuff I could ever want." "Snickerdoodapnameathingymadumb is the my favorite console."
It's almost like some sort of Japaneses conspiracy to spread engrish world wide. If they had named it something like "wanginator", it still would have been a better name because wanginator is usable as a noun in the English language. The new name is hijacking a common English word, not some uncommon, off t he beaten path vocabulary. What are they going to name the next console "him"? "Have you see the new him game?" It just sounds wrong to every slightly educated English speaking individual.
Well... actually the 49% was based on a very small sample, when I enlarged it to my entire class (just for fun) it moved down to about 20%... pretty conclusively innacurate.
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Because that money could also be spent to advance society and not pollute our air having parties.
At least if you drive a Bently, you're only expending several barrels of oil every day, instead of several thousand.
I think your hanger comment needs a qualifying statement. I know many people who own hangers. Of course most of those hangers barely hold a twin engine cessna. My grandpa even build his last house with the intent of being able to use his basement as a hanger.
True-dat. Then again, in all honesty you could probably just as easily submit your screenplay in script formatting like a radio drama, right align everything, submit it in size 9 font and if it was a real winner, they wouldn't say no. Assuming you could convince someone to read it. :)
George Llucas I know has a quite bizzare screenplay formatting, and I personally think it actually works pretty well.
Annnnyyywayyyy.... so how's life... ;)
If you're to the point where people are even considering giving you a dime, you've probably already pitched and you've probably gotten to a point where some poor sap locked away in a darkened room with several hundred screenplays is being forced to read them through: all the way, write coverage and recommend or discourage any sort of attention to it.
;)
These places exist, and I know an unfortunate soul who did this job for several years.
If he was approaching any sort of studio or production company, some poor sap has had to of read it by now. And from the sounds of it that poor sap recommended somebody with some decision making power read it (2nd generation copy floating in the universe somewhere). Now the article makes it sound like nobody with money actually promised him anything, but if his claims are true and he had a 2.5 million dollar contract then they much have approached somebody with money (Add another 2 or 3 xeroxes). Even if it was just a holding company who wanted to option the screenplay in order to sell it to a production company (and then promised him a cut of gross) you're looking at probably at least 3 copies of the screenplay being made.
- I said many not all. The overall format of a screenplay yes is to equate in pages to minutes. Many of the formatting rules have been developed for ease and clarity of reading. Many of the rules have been developed just for the sake of consistancy. But try xeroxing a New Roman font and behold the pain. Courier fonts are nearly indistructable to xeroxing from my experience, even the crappies coppiers and scanners on earth will be legible.
Either way... the details are irrellevant. If any real deal was being worked out, there would be xeroxes of it everywhere. He would have made backups. He wouldn't have continued to use his computer after the deltion and he would probably have commited suicide in the interim.
He also sounds like a dumb enough individual to have just haphazardly risked sending excessively well binded copies to big names around the world. Probably their "home addresses".
It actually does say in the article that he did eventually get a forensic recovery of the data. But he didn't set aside the hard drive and the files were overwritten by Napster and other data.
Does this mean that the entertainment industry can say that it lost another $2.7m to napster?
Let me get this straight: a writer is closing in on a multimillion dollar deal with a production company to buy his screenplay. And I'm supposed to believe they signed on without ever receiving a copy!
When you submit a screenplay to an interested party, the first thing they usually do is start photocopying it. Dozens even hundreds of times depending on how far through the process the screenplay makes it. When someone buys a screenplay, they usually run it past dozens of individuals before it's even looked at by someone with decision making power.
Many of the modern screenplay formatting rules have come from the need to photocopy it with as little degradation as possible.
The good news is. It shouldn't take him more than a a day or two to rewrite it. Once you know your story and characters, and have worked on the screenplay in your head for a number of years it shouldn't take you more than a couple of days. Besides who buys a screenplay and doesn't do a rewrite?
God I have like 20 copies of several screenplays from college just lieing around in a box in my closet. I can't believe somebody would never print off, backup or email a copy of his screenplay over the course of time it took to write it.
Windows 2003. If it wasn't so damned expensive I would put it on all of my workstations. I see consistant 100% performance increases in many 3d and compositing apps. They put magic fairy dust in there, that's the only explanation I can find.
With every single PC vendor invested in the idea of destroying Apple, I don't see Apple being able to win a war of minds/marketing.
The only person really invested in Apple succeeding is Apple. Dell, HP, Best Buy, Gateway, AMD and many many more have a huge investment in being able to sell computers and computer components. Unless you're on Apple's "in" list of mandated components, you don't want to see a closed architecture win. To some degree Intel moving to the apple platform will at least bring on giant to their defense, but it's a small step in the long run.
---It just so happens that he was only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead well... well with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
-- What's that?
-- Pull the plug.
In the case of North/South Korea, which I believe the parent was responding to I would reckon very few children are going to wander out into the mine fields. And seeing as that standoff is going to last for at least another 20 years, and the mines are limited to such a specific area. There is absolutely no reason to not mine it sky high.
My 98 used to go from power button to booted in 38 seconds. That beats my current average of 52 for Ubuntu.
I think you're confused. Something tells me if you saw an ad for anti-bush T-shirts, it was only because they couldn't possibly screen the vast quantity of ads this page has.
Did you look at their links list?
News Websites:
Newsmax.com
Drudge Report
Foxnews.com
Rush Limbaugh
JunkScience.com
Lifesite.net
Real Conservatives
Canadian Coalition for Democracies
Neale News
honestreporting.ca
The Conservative Voice
Yep that's a nice fair and balanced look at the world right there in that list.
In the case of young children, I believe the intent here is to prevent the need for the child to make a moral judgement before he's staring at possibly objectionable sites.
The wonderful thing about the Internet is you instantaneously arrive wherever you want to go. At which point is the user supposed to make a personal judgement about a site? While the request packet arrives at the server but before the data is returned?
I'm not saying I want my internet filtered, but if I did, I think the point of these things is to replace personal judgement so that you're not placed in a compromising situation.
I think when a tool tries to do too much, it is in danger of not doing anything particularly well, especially where there are design tradeoffs that have to made to integrate things.
That is true of a mechanical mechanism. I feel the opposite is true of software. If the hardware on a phone is capable of running just about any piece of software then the more things it tries to do the better it does all of them.
Not only that, but our preferences dictate what those around us buy.
My story:
I pirated 3d Studio Max R2 way back when it was released. I got into 3d through that app and it became my preferred work environment. Back then it was well over $4,000 per copy. Some kid in Jr. High wasn't, and shouldn't pay that for software he's just having fun with.
Since then, I have given feedback on a university program which led to more than 40 seets of Max being sold, and updated for the last 4-5 years. My recommendations led to another 30 copies being used in a new 3d program there. I've converted numerous individual. When my last job was looking to make a switch for their real-time art assets, I made a plug for Max and it went through selling more seats. In my life I've probably sold well over 150 licenses of 3d Studio Max. I've bought a couple for myself. All because I got a free copy in a shop on a street corner in singapore.
Not only that but all of those people who learned Max at the university and highschool are more likely to do just the same as me.
Was infringing on Kinetix/Autodesk's license illegal? Yes. Was it wrong? Yes. Did it make them a shitload of money? Yes. Take note companies of the world, if a specific demographic of piracy is generating you money, maybe you should embrace that community.
Case studies:
Maya PLE, Full use = indoctrinating thousands in the way of Maya.
Gmax, extremely limted = didn't compete with pirated version and failed.
Digital Fusion Learner edition, Free Full use = has just about converted me.
The digital arts market is much like the drug market. If you can just get them hooked on your drug, they'll come back for more, and they might even send friends if they like what you've got.
If you thinks mathematics is advanced, just wait until you learn about literature. Now there is a field where they are pushing the boundries. Why I once saw this sentence which described a technology beyond my wildest dreams, I am just really frustrated by how slow the physicists have been in implementing it.
Even those of us with HDTVs don't want to fork over an extra 200 bucks for the PS3.
Ok... so ummm... I guess I get Blu-ray for 200 bucks. That would be dandy, if I wanted a Blu-ray player, which I don't, I want an HD-DVD player so that 200 bucks isn't a saving, it's large dead weight.
The graphics don't look any better on the PS3. Games are going the way of multi-platform, so there's a good chance except for MGS4 and final fantasy I'm going to get all the same games, at just about the same level of immersion for half the price.
Why do I want HD-DVD instead of Blu-ray? Because it's cheaper. Plain and simple. It is cheaper, it will always be cheaper, and it is "good enough". If you look at an HD-DVD demo, the quality is good enough. It's 1080, it's half the cost, and my TV can't look any better. That's the "value" sony keeps trying to promote, and it's not tied into a proprietary expensive system.
I disagree based on the pathetic speed of the Apple's product releases. And the console market in general.
Case in point. If you want a highspeed Intel based workstation. PCIe, SATA, RAM up the wazoo, maybe even dual dual core and in a tower format, you can't get it from Apple. Why? Who knows, I guess somebody in management decided we aren't ready for it yet. So if you want an intel workstation that runs OSX the best option is an Imac... That's right. I had to tell somebody that the best intel/mac workstation available right now was an Imac.
Console are much the same story. I don't want to have to wait 3-4 years to upgrade my computer. If I buy a highperformance workstation, I expect it to have the most top of the line components available today, not several months ago. I don't want to be a slave to the whims of the manufacturer as to when I can upgrade, what I can upgrade, and from whom I will purchase my upgrades.
I agree we'll probably see web terminals gain popularity. The mac mini, almost being an example of one. Dell has similar offerings. These computers will be clear purpose built, home PCs.
The difference with electric motors is, we've already made the transition. We have PCs, not mainframes... so that analogy is exhausted. In fact I would wager we'll move back towards the mainframe analogy as we demand more and more wireless functionality on our wireless devices. Web based apps are already an example of a move to the mainframe approach.
You know your house can be compromised with a brick. Cars are unbelievably susceptible to tire irons.
How about this for a safeguard. Your car is on the internet, your RFID tag is being used all over the place all the time. It checks in to see where you were last known to be. If 45 seconds ago you just entered a 7/11 8 blocks away, it can probably assume it's not you.
Of course... that's when you cue the tire iron, and your 8,000 dollar self tracker system was all for not.
... but that's just me, I'm sure you'll be fine. :)
Seriously though. In this day in age unless I give up my credit card, internet account and cell phone I just have to come to grips with the fact that people will be able to track me. The government can find me. Thieves can steal my identity. Why shouldn't I at least benefit from this lack of privacy.
All or nothing, I wouldn't have it any other way. Chip me up.
I salute you in your quest to be boldly public.
But you're failing to recognize a key point. In this situation there are only 2 options for Microsoft:
..... "
1) There is no default and the user is initially prompted.
Result: most people have no idea what option they want, they just click "ok" and get Microsoft's search. The rest immediately click Google or a9 or imdb or whatever.
2) It defaults to Microsoft.
Result: those who don't know what a search engine is, are happy. Those who aren't happy change it.
You're making the logical leap that these same users who apathetically accept Microsoft's search engine, would (given the choice) choose something else. I'm saying, even if you did give them the option, the users who wouldn't change a default, are the same users who would either purely by random choose one of x options or leave it on the first option (Microsoft).
What do you want a large essay in the installation:
"Welcome to Microsoft Internet Explorer you will now be prompted for which search engine by default you have activated.
We just want to make sure this is as informed of a decision as possible so we've come up with a comparative analysis of the technology history and financial support of each search engine. Please read carefully before selecting.
[x] Microsoft's search was created recently in a response to the growing search dominance of Google. Written from the ground up to compete in the
I'm bored already.
The vast majority of users have no idea how to install ANYTHING. They are stuck with using what is pre-loaded, and if it works fairly well, they don't complain.
I think that's a very telling statement. If it works fairly well, why change? If users can't tell an appreciable difference between two products, why would they care which they use? I can tell very cleary you want them to care, but you're fighting for the rights of individuals who really couldn't care less if the Devil himself performed the internet search and told them the results.
So let's recap. People hate installing things. They hate choosing between things they don't understand. And the current option seems just as good as any other to them. Those who do want something else, want to be able to choose... can.
This whole thing sounds like a huge non-issue to me.
I think the reason it's stupid isn't because it sounds like urine or some sort of other taboo innuendo. The reason it's dumb is because there is no easy way to say it in an english sentence that makes grammatical sense.
"Let's go play we."
"There's a new game out for we."
"We is going to have all of the back games for a low monthly fee."
"Have you see the controller for we."
"We like to play we."
"We has all the games I could possibly want."
vs.
"Hey wanna come over and play xbox?"
"The best place to find it is on yahoo."
"Amazon has all the stuff I could ever want."
"Snickerdoodapnameathingymadumb is the my favorite console."
It's almost like some sort of Japaneses conspiracy to spread engrish world wide. If they had named it something like "wanginator", it still would have been a better name because wanginator is usable as a noun in the English language. The new name is hijacking a common English word, not some uncommon, off t he beaten path vocabulary. What are they going to name the next console "him"? "Have you see the new him game?" It just sounds wrong to every slightly educated English speaking individual.
Oh most definitely. But still real. :)
Well... actually the 49% was based on a very small sample, when I enlarged it to my entire class (just for fun) it moved down to about 20%... pretty conclusively innacurate.