btw hook me up with that average job that pays a million dollars a year. I must sleep, mayhap someone from myspace will molest me and i can make... 30 million dollars;D
you haven't done this yet? these fools have already lost more account holder information than other banks combined. Add disgruntled workers for more hilarity.
Well I was a little drunk, and it was late at night. My writing skills suffered =)
Aha! but after all those useless lines of rhetoric you've confirmed that america does do nasty things abroad for its self interest, while in your original post you claim you had no idea why some were always apologetic, because we had done nothing to gain such resentment.;) You contradict yourself and I win!
As for GDP calculations tell me what it is we export from our own shores outside of 'security' also known as a global 'protection racket'. Many of the resources that are refined come from elsewhere, whole products show up from other countries only to branded in the states to be the re-exported or sold at grossly inflated rates. The margins on coercion on the original manufacturer are so great that it actually makes business sense to do this! And then there's of course the sale of military systems. Which then end up being operated by our troops while they're stationed on foreign soil. I guess this counts as an export right? Or does this fall into the racketeering portion of our exports? And then there's the ever popular construction and abandonment of military bases on foreign soil, you have to 'export' for that too. Can't use local concrete, then add a markup w000. We've just exported a million dollar toilet. You should really examine these numbers before you hurl them with confidence.
I've travelled outside of the great white empire long enough to see the other side. So spare me the pithy tales of the wisdom you've gained by visiting our european cousins and our somewhat pacified southern neighbors.
p.s. poke around the newspaper some south american country just nationalized something and some other middle eastern country is threatening to disrupt the supply of something else.
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I'm not a political science major. (Science? I guess the term is used loosely.) I have no idea who your witty asides are referring to or what their political persuasions are, or even the names or intersections of of their various persuasions.
I don't think I'm a marxist. Atleast I don't recall mentioning anything about collectivising anything but hey if straw man arguments are the way you swing so be it.
Of the responses I could decipher
a)If you don't know the list of nations under our thumb then you've wasted money on a worthless education.
b)You do make a valid point about america being a self interested actor that routinely , overthrows popularly elected govts in favor of strong man dictators that stay in line with regard to our economic interests. If you don't think this has anything to do with (a) then obviously we're operating under totally different rulesets for understanding realiyt.
c)you brought up the image of the america the batterer and the liberal apologists. I explored the metaphor for you to see why the liberals are worried. Again if you don't understand it you have a strange way of perceiving reality.
d)At which point their appetite for the fruits of sweat shops, young prostitutes (how young will they go?)
So, you're either a liberal in support of foreign policy or you're a pedophile...
The republicans have been found time and time again of running prostitution rings and sweat shops abroad as hospitality suites for the well to do. My question was what happens to these appetites when they don't have foreigners to feed on? What happens to american women and children when these monsters come home to roost? How you twisted that to slander me is another leap of mushy pol. sci. thinking that your type is famous for.
e)Oh how do these other nations compare to our amazing power? The SCO (shanghai cooperation organization) combining russia and china are determined to stamp out our influence and bases in the region. Without our bases in the region we become less and less able to monopolize the oil supplies in the region. Once our dominance of the oil is gone, what reason does anyone have to export to us at the current rate? We can only push them to slave labor while they need oil backed in dollars. Which remains backed only because of our control of the shipping lanes in the region. With their recent moves in the region (new pipelines etc) they aim to secure their own access to oil. Which reduces any necessity for trade with us. India remains a key contender in the region. Sure, they don't have the ability to reach into america, but making our oil supplies insecure is a trick they too can join in. It seems their recent accords with the SCO seems to indicate a lack of enthusiasm for a US plan to use them as a china counterweight, regardless of the measely bones we toss them every so often.
f)The atrocities in iran occurred during a US backed regime quite similar to the iraq script, we supplied the means for the overthrow of a popular govt to a more brutal, though more favorable despot. This puppet was then overthrown and his band of traitors executed by the popular insurgency which then became the present govt. Oh of course atrocities happened but the USA and britain funded and made it happen. Whoops.
g)As to your 'argument' of the caveat. Let me ask you this. Is it your position that criminals not be brought to justice and compensation made? Sure one can argue that this would be unduly difficult for the criminal, since he's gotten used to having the things he stole etc. but is it just? If you don't think it's just then you understand why their people hate us. Sure you're right, from a realistic stand point they're in no position to bring the dominant power to justice. But given the chance they will do everything to hasten our downfall.
h) the ones who work two jobs to make ends meet aren't the ones writing policy or even being presented with a truthful accounting of our actions both past and present at home and abroad. they're being robbed blind w
"It's always our fault. Period. We all deserve to die because we have somehow offended group A or angered group B.
The self-hatred of the west is amazing. We excuse away everything as our fault. It's as if we were made up of a group of battered women, constantly making excuses for their husbands."
This was an argument? Do you at least understand why people mutter under their breath and laugh at political science graduates?
As someone who seems proud to have spent 4 (or more?) years studying pol. sci. Why don't you establish what your ideas are for appropriate policy? Your discussion so far is just as bad as any uninformed fool on the street. You have no ideas, and you want someone to come up with a different idea for you so that you can then proceed to criticize it because it's not the same as those of whichever group to whom you've pledged your allegiance. That is there is no way you can even consider a liberal argument if you believe in a totally fictional set of axioms in your model of the world. What was the point of the degree again? Fools are already fed propaganda free of charge.
The liberal's self hatred comes from the realization that what the nation proclaims itself to be is radically different from what it actually is. This in turn makes it no better than any other brutish nation on earth. At this point you're going 'oooh nooo. do we rape and kill thousands? aha! i've caught you now!' Allow me to explain. So long as we have the monopoly on power, those close to it (the american people) are safe and those on the periphery of our empire suffer the brunt of this injustice, because of the administrators we appoint to manage our capital assets. If you are a bible thumper, this is no different from Rome appointing a favored brutal king named herod, to manage israel. Sure, on the propaganda papyrus he's the king of the jews, but what choice did they really have in supporting his leadership?. He was dropped into place at a Roman whim. And he will do anything to pacify the jews for roman business interests in the region. So yes, they were disgusted both with herod and the architects of his power, the romans.
The time is fast coming when we will no longer have the monopoly on power and energy in this world and our empire will shrink moving the periphery close to home. What then? Wouldn't you want to reform a batterer before he starts failing in life and comes home to take it out on the family? Do you want to be there when that happens?
So yes, it may seem incomprehensible to you right now, but the liberal policy is to reform the excesses of the battering aristocracy in america before our certain foreign failure. At which point their appetite for the fruits of sweat shops, young prostitutes (how young will they go?) and brutal dictatorships will have to be met here at home. As for foreign affairs, the time for discussion was before jumping into the pit. Liberals advocated in every war that america has had for isolation from foreign affairs and against bloody expansionism for the profit of a few rich families. As long as we've had technological superiority we've enjoyed the fruits of our conquest. But that lead is now disappearing and we have to face all our victims on a battlefield, where they are not motivated solely by a profit motive but bloody revenge. Both parties know that getting out of the foreign policy mess is now impossible. All, the liberals can expect is some attempt at reform so when retribution comes it will be less severe. However, the republicans are curious about the profitable opportunities that may be lost by an early exit and maybe the gamble might keep america's demise at bay a little longer (I'd give it a +5 yrs). It's an experiment the poor will send their children to prove and I doubt they'd be interested in doing it if it were only to buy them a few short years.
Ultimately, an early exit or a late one will have little effect on the overall foreign policy picture. Competition is getting stiffer and our monopoly on force is shrinkin
Are you a 101st fighting keyboardist too? Because you DO sound like a dumbass and not the regular ignorant brand of dumbass, but the bona fide, my-teacher-was-the-village-idiot level of dumbass.
i too was wondering how wonderful economic analyses/shilling for boring MMPORG's affect the number of lemmings subscribing to these games. Isn't it enough that I can't shut out the britney spears/MMPORG/Myspace/Friendster crew hyping a new fad at school and work? Must I see it on slashdot every week too?
slavery hasn't been abolished it's just been outsourced to sweat shops around the world. The people we enslave grace us by not being in our presence. From what I hear none of our puppet regimes around the globe have women's rights. Oh yea sure we have women and minority suffrage at home but now that voting means nothing, what's the point?
people in nyc are less concerned about terrorism than all the evangelical and patriotic retards elsewhere in the country.
Case in point?
Yesterday I was on the 1,9 line coming home from uni, One girl, who is with a few friends, picks up a cell phone in the tunnel and starts screaming all terrified and shaking "omg we're all gonna die, my friend said there was a bomb" After she leaves the train, a passenger who hadn't promptly gone back to sleep after the initial outcry, looked at me and said, "what an idiot". The girl was outside laughing it up, thinking how great a prank it was. No one panicked, no one turned into a violent raging defender of the peace, they calmly evaluated her as a 16-18 yr old acting up for attention and went on with their rides.
The only people who are deathly afraid of terrorists are 1000's of miles away from the wtc, with no direct experience and have no personal idea of how relatively small the tragedy was in the scheme of nyc's massive population. In a city of 10 million where turnover is high and new immigrants are always coming in, the tragedy doesn't have as much of a personal effect as the media claims it does, or should.
the first entry hurts my eyes with all the useless bordering. I get it! a green bar signals a new article i don't need another rounded grey thing at the bottom being a redundant reminder. The second entry takes up far less space and is less of an affront to my eyes. IF you had to pick i'd pick 2. However, i would rather stick with what we have right now.
The iranians have already been experimenting with this method, which is why the US is worried that controlling the export of centrifuges to iran might not be enough to stop their enrichment work.
Check if this was sponsored by the same marketing team that was running ads that kept peddling the lackluster g4 as a supercomputer on the national watchlist.
they're testing ALL highschoolers. Pretty much all of us go to school. In those countries only the wealthy and possibly the intelligent go to school. The sampling therefore is much more skewed in their favor.
The vast majority of us wont become athletes.
The vast majority of us wont become nobel prize winning scientists
There are 10 times more indo-chinese than there are whites.
Is it really surprising that small percentages in both countries = much larger numbers for indo-chinese than whites?
Isn't this refrain really the same as saying 'omg white ppl need to have more babies or the colored will outnumber and out maneuver us all?'
Well it all depends on which american indian societies you're talking about. There are a lot of them. Division of labor requires a certain minimum population size. To maintain fluidity between roles once that pop size has been reached, there should be an abundance of resources and low barrier to entry in local markets for persons of either sex. In most pre-industrial societies, muscle power is the barrier to entry most women face in entering some highly lucrative labor markets (farming,hunting,warmaking etc). The tribes you speak of are either very small, or relied on fishing, basket weaving and trade in cured furs, and other handiwork to sustain themselves. These were fairly non-intensive tasks that both men and women could do equally well, and thus social roles were more equitable. Other tribes that relied on farming, war(raiding) and buffalo hunting usually tended to have male dominated hierarchies.
Look, any society can have an excuse to have the women equal or keep them sub-servial. The choice is up to that society to do what's right.
Yes, the choice is upto that society to do what is 'right'. But what is right? Is it better to artificially support equal rights when their economy can't sustain it? Or figure what the hell, equality and dignity is better than survival. Regardless of what you believe, no nation has ever chosen the less profitable/survivable route without duress. Every nation left to its own devices, choses survival over morals and thus lives to tell about it. It's why we (the US) engage in brutality all over the world as long as it maintains our quality of life at home. True female and black equality came as soon as our major productive centers went abroad and our slaves were overseas sweating out a day of work for 10cents a day.
Life on planet earth isn't decent, kind or generous. It's best that those who believe in nationalistic propaganda pay as little attention to the news and the reality of the world outside of broadcast media. Blinker yourself on purpose to maintain your sanity:-D
female equality didn't come as some great cultural revolution. The factories made the utility of brute male energy obsolete. Given that this muscular energy is no longer important both women and men can compete freely in the workplace and employers keep wages to a minimum when a market doubles in size;)
Most middle eastern countries have no factories, mainly because there's nothing to produce (no local mineral resources outside of oil to process.) Most oil refineries are equal opportunity employers in the white collar arena because they are foreign companies and the above wage reduction pressures apply. In the field, maintenance on the plumbing in 120F weather keeps only the most fit employed: male. The only other major job in the middle east is construction. There are a few desk jobs in the various sheikh's offices but the feudal power of the sheikhs (the ones we keep in power) kind of makes working as a woman over there dangerous. So given that a lot of women over there have no place to work, they have no power to unionize and lobby the govt =) outside of getting women in the West to lobby their govts to kind of artificially prop up their rights in the middle east.
I don't like it when people use simple economic pressures or a lack there of to justify moral judgements or valuations. If the industrial revolution (driven by the discovery of coal)hadn't happened in the resource rich west there would be no freedom for women.
So in theory freedom and equality for women is great but their current local infrastructure, economy and governmental form cannot sustain it. Changing their govt form would also make our operations there more expensive because a democracy would require bribing of a far greater number of officials.
i've lived there for a some period of time. They don't have g-string freedom yet but it's not parda wearing bullshit like saudi arabia, afghanisthan, libya or any of the wonderful extremist coalition we seem to be building up. You are an ignorant douchebag who hasn't left the US of A to visit any other part of the world and rely entirely on the media dole for your opinions.
Now for the main thrust of your attack where did I say they had the same kind of freedom women enjoy in the US of A? I said the studies are sponsored as propaganda to whip up gullible fools like you into a frenzy. No one would research this stuff if there wasn't money in it. Who do you think pays for all the studies centers established here? There's staff and bills to pay and donors who set the agenda. You prattle about things you understand little about. It's pitiful.
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Fuck you mother teresa! where's my 8-lane super highway, electricity, jacuzzi and my audi s4 bitch?! If you really want to improve quality of life you have to rely on capitalism like america not some stupid punk ass unreliable git like Mother teresa.
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make sure that only women work on the moon, and i get called in for the conjugal visits and we have a deal ;)
btw hook me up with that average job that pays a million dollars a year. I must sleep, mayhap someone from myspace will molest me and i can make ... 30 million dollars ;D
lmao. Mod this guy hilarious
you haven't done this yet? these fools have already lost more account holder information than other banks combined. Add disgruntled workers for more hilarity.
Well I was a little drunk, and it was late at night. My writing skills suffered =)
;) You contradict yourself and I win!
Aha! but after all those useless lines of rhetoric you've confirmed that america does do nasty things abroad for its self interest, while in your original post you claim you had no idea why some were always apologetic, because we had done nothing to gain such resentment.
As for GDP calculations tell me what it is we export from our own shores outside of 'security' also known as a global 'protection racket'. Many of the resources that are refined come from elsewhere, whole products show up from other countries only to branded in the states to be the re-exported or sold at grossly inflated rates. The margins on coercion on the original manufacturer are so great that it actually makes business sense to do this! And then there's of course the sale of military systems. Which then end up being operated by our troops while they're stationed on foreign soil. I guess this counts as an export right? Or does this fall into the racketeering portion of our exports? And then there's the ever popular construction and abandonment of military bases on foreign soil, you have to 'export' for that too. Can't use local concrete, then add a markup w000. We've just exported a million dollar toilet. You should really examine these numbers before you hurl them with confidence.
I've travelled outside of the great white empire long enough to see the other side. So spare me the pithy tales of the wisdom you've gained by visiting our european cousins and our somewhat pacified southern neighbors.
p.s. poke around the newspaper some south american country just nationalized something and some other middle eastern country is threatening to disrupt the supply of something else.
I'm not a political science major. (Science? I guess the term is used loosely.) I have no idea who your witty asides are referring to or what their political persuasions are, or even the names or intersections of of their various persuasions.
I don't think I'm a marxist. Atleast I don't recall mentioning anything about collectivising anything but hey if straw man arguments are the way you swing so be it.
Of the responses I could decipher
a)If you don't know the list of nations under our thumb then you've wasted money on a worthless education.
b)You do make a valid point about america being a self interested actor that routinely , overthrows popularly elected govts in favor of strong man dictators that stay in line with regard to our economic interests. If you don't think this has anything to do with (a) then obviously we're operating under totally different rulesets for understanding realiyt.
c)you brought up the image of the america the batterer and the liberal apologists. I explored the metaphor for you to see why the liberals are worried. Again if you don't understand it you have a strange way of perceiving reality.
d)At which point their appetite for the fruits of sweat shops, young prostitutes (how young will they go?)
So, you're either a liberal in support of foreign policy or you're a pedophile...
The republicans have been found time and time again of running prostitution rings and sweat shops abroad as hospitality suites for the well to do. My question was what happens to these appetites when they don't have foreigners to feed on? What happens to american women and children when these monsters come home to roost? How you twisted that to slander me is another leap of mushy pol. sci. thinking that your type is famous for.
e)Oh how do these other nations compare to our amazing power? The SCO (shanghai cooperation organization) combining russia and china are determined to stamp out our influence and bases in the region. Without our bases in the region we become less and less able to monopolize the oil supplies in the region. Once our dominance of the oil is gone, what reason does anyone have to export to us at the current rate? We can only push them to slave labor while they need oil backed in dollars. Which remains backed only because of our control of the shipping lanes in the region. With their recent moves in the region (new pipelines etc) they aim to secure their own access to oil. Which reduces any necessity for trade with us. India remains a key contender in the region. Sure, they don't have the ability to reach into america, but making our oil supplies insecure is a trick they too can join in. It seems their recent accords with the SCO seems to indicate a lack of enthusiasm for a US plan to use them as a china counterweight, regardless of the measely bones we toss them every so often.
f)The atrocities in iran occurred during a US backed regime quite similar to the iraq script, we supplied the means for the overthrow of a popular govt to a more brutal, though more favorable despot. This puppet was then overthrown and his band of traitors executed by the popular insurgency which then became the present govt. Oh of course atrocities happened but the USA and britain funded and made it happen. Whoops.
g)As to your 'argument' of the caveat. Let me ask you this. Is it your position that criminals not be brought to justice and compensation made? Sure one can argue that this would be unduly difficult for the criminal, since he's gotten used to having the things he stole etc. but is it just? If you don't think it's just then you understand why their people hate us. Sure you're right, from a realistic stand point they're in no position to bring the dominant power to justice. But given the chance they will do everything to hasten our downfall. h) the ones who work two jobs to make ends meet aren't the ones writing policy or even being presented with a truthful accounting of our actions both past and present at home and abroad. they're being robbed blind w
"It's always our fault. Period. We all deserve to die because we have somehow offended group A or angered group B.
The self-hatred of the west is amazing. We excuse away everything as our fault. It's as if we were made up of a group of battered women, constantly making excuses for their husbands."
This was an argument? Do you at least understand why people mutter under their breath and laugh at political science graduates?
As someone who seems proud to have spent 4 (or more?) years studying pol. sci. Why don't you establish what your ideas are for appropriate policy? Your discussion so far is just as bad as any uninformed fool on the street. You have no ideas, and you want someone to come up with a different idea for you so that you can then proceed to criticize it because it's not the same as those of whichever group to whom you've pledged your allegiance. That is there is no way you can even consider a liberal argument if you believe in a totally fictional set of axioms in your model of the world. What was the point of the degree again? Fools are already fed propaganda free of charge.
The liberal's self hatred comes from the realization that what the nation proclaims itself to be is radically different from what it actually is. This in turn makes it no better than any other brutish nation on earth. At this point you're going 'oooh nooo. do we rape and kill thousands? aha! i've caught you now!' Allow me to explain. So long as we have the monopoly on power, those close to it (the american people) are safe and those on the periphery of our empire suffer the brunt of this injustice, because of the administrators we appoint to manage our capital assets. If you are a bible thumper, this is no different from Rome appointing a favored brutal king named herod, to manage israel. Sure, on the propaganda papyrus he's the king of the jews, but what choice did they really have in supporting his leadership?. He was dropped into place at a Roman whim. And he will do anything to pacify the jews for roman business interests in the region. So yes, they were disgusted both with herod and the architects of his power, the romans.
The time is fast coming when we will no longer have the monopoly on power and energy in this world and our empire will shrink moving the periphery close to home. What then? Wouldn't you want to reform a batterer before he starts failing in life and comes home to take it out on the family? Do you want to be there when that happens?
So yes, it may seem incomprehensible to you right now, but the liberal policy is to reform the excesses of the battering aristocracy in america before our certain foreign failure. At which point their appetite for the fruits of sweat shops, young prostitutes (how young will they go?) and brutal dictatorships will have to be met here at home. As for foreign affairs, the time for discussion was before jumping into the pit. Liberals advocated in every war that america has had for isolation from foreign affairs and against bloody expansionism for the profit of a few rich families. As long as we've had technological superiority we've enjoyed the fruits of our conquest. But that lead is now disappearing and we have to face all our victims on a battlefield, where they are not motivated solely by a profit motive but bloody revenge. Both parties know that getting out of the foreign policy mess is now impossible. All, the liberals can expect is some attempt at reform so when retribution comes it will be less severe. However, the republicans are curious about the profitable opportunities that may be lost by an early exit and maybe the gamble might keep america's demise at bay a little longer (I'd give it a +5 yrs). It's an experiment the poor will send their children to prove and I doubt they'd be interested in doing it if it were only to buy them a few short years.
Ultimately, an early exit or a late one will have little effect on the overall foreign policy picture. Competition is getting stiffer and our monopoly on force is shrinkin
Are you a 101st fighting keyboardist too? Because you DO sound like a dumbass and not the regular ignorant brand of dumbass, but the bona fide, my-teacher-was-the-village-idiot level of dumbass.
Here's a lollipop. Feel Better?
I return you now to your regularly scheduled advertisment.
P.S. Thanks for tapping my phone lines and picking up my messages, I guess.
i too was wondering how wonderful economic analyses/shilling for boring MMPORG's affect the number of lemmings subscribing to these games. Isn't it enough that I can't shut out the britney spears/MMPORG/Myspace/Friendster crew hyping a new fad at school and work? Must I see it on slashdot every week too?
there was actually another report of red rain in russia two weeks ago. No mention of alien bacteria though.
slavery hasn't been abolished it's just been outsourced to sweat shops around the world. The people we enslave grace us by not being in our presence. From what I hear none of our puppet regimes around the globe have women's rights. Oh yea sure we have women and minority suffrage at home but now that voting means nothing, what's the point?
people in nyc are less concerned about terrorism than all the evangelical and patriotic retards elsewhere in the country.
Case in point?
Yesterday I was on the 1,9 line coming home from uni, One girl, who is with a few friends, picks up a cell phone in the tunnel and starts screaming all terrified and shaking "omg we're all gonna die, my friend said there was a bomb" After she leaves the train, a passenger who hadn't promptly gone back to sleep after the initial outcry, looked at me and said, "what an idiot". The girl was outside laughing it up, thinking how great a prank it was. No one panicked, no one turned into a violent raging defender of the peace, they calmly evaluated her as a 16-18 yr old acting up for attention and went on with their rides.
The only people who are deathly afraid of terrorists are 1000's of miles away from the wtc, with no direct experience and have no personal idea of how relatively small the tragedy was in the scheme of nyc's massive population. In a city of 10 million where turnover is high and new immigrants are always coming in, the tragedy doesn't have as much of a personal effect as the media claims it does, or should.
the first entry hurts my eyes with all the useless bordering. I get it! a green bar signals a new article i don't need another rounded grey thing at the bottom being a redundant reminder. The second entry takes up far less space and is less of an affront to my eyes. IF you had to pick i'd pick 2. However, i would rather stick with what we have right now.
slashdot nepotist: You're doin' a great job Alex!
The iranians have already been experimenting with this method, which is why the US is worried that controlling the export of centrifuges to iran might not be enough to stop their enrichment work.
Check if this was sponsored by the same marketing team that was running ads that kept peddling the lackluster g4 as a supercomputer on the national watchlist.
they're testing ALL highschoolers. Pretty much all of us go to school. In those countries only the wealthy and possibly the intelligent go to school. The sampling therefore is much more skewed in their favor.
The vast majority of us wont become athletes.
The vast majority of us wont become nobel prize winning scientists
There are 10 times more indo-chinese than there are whites.
Is it really surprising that small percentages in both countries = much larger numbers for indo-chinese than whites?
Isn't this refrain really the same as saying 'omg white ppl need to have more babies or the colored will outnumber and out maneuver us all?'
Well it all depends on which american indian societies you're talking about. There are a lot of them. Division of labor requires a certain minimum population size. To maintain fluidity between roles once that pop size has been reached, there should be an abundance of resources and low barrier to entry in local markets for persons of either sex. In most pre-industrial societies, muscle power is the barrier to entry most women face in entering some highly lucrative labor markets (farming,hunting,warmaking etc). The tribes you speak of are either very small, or relied on fishing, basket weaving and trade in cured furs, and other handiwork to sustain themselves. These were fairly non-intensive tasks that both men and women could do equally well, and thus social roles were more equitable. Other tribes that relied on farming, war(raiding) and buffalo hunting usually tended to have male dominated hierarchies.
:-D
Look, any society can have an excuse to have the women equal or keep them sub-servial. The choice is up to that society to do what's right.
Yes, the choice is upto that society to do what is 'right'. But what is right? Is it better to artificially support equal rights when their economy can't sustain it? Or figure what the hell, equality and dignity is better than survival. Regardless of what you believe, no nation has ever chosen the less profitable/survivable route without duress. Every nation left to its own devices, choses survival over morals and thus lives to tell about it. It's why we (the US) engage in brutality all over the world as long as it maintains our quality of life at home. True female and black equality came as soon as our major productive centers went abroad and our slaves were overseas sweating out a day of work for 10cents a day.
Life on planet earth isn't decent, kind or generous. It's best that those who believe in nationalistic propaganda pay as little attention to the news and the reality of the world outside of broadcast media. Blinker yourself on purpose to maintain your sanity
female equality didn't come as some great cultural revolution. The factories made the utility of brute male energy obsolete. Given that this muscular energy is no longer important both women and men can compete freely in the workplace and employers keep wages to a minimum when a market doubles in size ;)
Most middle eastern countries have no factories, mainly because there's nothing to produce (no local mineral resources outside of oil to process.) Most oil refineries are equal opportunity employers in the white collar arena because they are foreign companies and the above wage reduction pressures apply. In the field, maintenance on the plumbing in 120F weather keeps only the most fit employed: male. The only other major job in the middle east is construction. There are a few desk jobs in the various sheikh's offices but the feudal power of the sheikhs (the ones we keep in power) kind of makes working as a woman over there dangerous. So given that a lot of women over there have no place to work, they have no power to unionize and lobby the govt =) outside of getting women in the West to lobby their govts to kind of artificially prop up their rights in the middle east.
I don't like it when people use simple economic pressures or a lack there of to justify moral judgements or valuations. If the industrial revolution (driven by the discovery of coal)hadn't happened in the resource rich west there would be no freedom for women.
So in theory freedom and equality for women is great but their current local infrastructure, economy and governmental form cannot sustain it. Changing their govt form would also make our operations there more expensive because a democracy would require bribing of a far greater number of officials.
if you believe it has nothing to do with this topic why bring it up?
the point is your Bullshit isn't a justification for war dumbass. how many times do i have to repeat myself?
i've lived there for a some period of time. They don't have g-string freedom yet but it's not parda wearing bullshit like saudi arabia, afghanisthan, libya or any of the wonderful extremist coalition we seem to be building up. You are an ignorant douchebag who hasn't left the US of A to visit any other part of the world and rely entirely on the media dole for your opinions.
Now for the main thrust of your attack where did I say they had the same kind of freedom women enjoy in the US of A? I said the studies are sponsored as propaganda to whip up gullible fools like you into a frenzy. No one would research this stuff if there wasn't money in it. Who do you think pays for all the studies centers established here? There's staff and bills to pay and donors who set the agenda. You prattle about things you understand little about. It's pitiful.
Fuck you mother teresa! where's my 8-lane super highway, electricity, jacuzzi and my audi s4 bitch?! If you really want to improve quality of life you have to rely on capitalism like america not some stupid punk ass unreliable git like Mother teresa.
sarcasm