Not because $0.00 is a valid price to download, but because they are actually doing something right, valuing a download vs. real physical product in this test. No matter what they do, people will be sharing their music for free, so they capitalize on that for the news bite, AND offer up more than a license to listen to 3+ minutes of music for sale. The way the human mind tends to work, they stand a good chance of making money on this.
At the end of the day, this process is about ensuring that our customer's machines aren't compromised. When we're deciding which threats need mitigation, we concentrate our efforts on those where the attacker can cause real damage." but I'm certain that the folks who wrote the blaster worm, and those that run huge botnets would like to buy this guy a beer or 12.
Is this like not being able to install extra sensors on your car's alarm system because you have not yet activated your OnStar service?
Or maybe it is like not being able to use Vonage VoIP if you have not yet activated your VoIP account with your ISP ???
The original poster is right, this is stupid. There is no excuse for this, and amounts to MS trying to ensure that you use their products and nobody else's products by mopolistic use of your desktop. Personally I feel that if this is found to be widespread issue, it should result in further DOJ investigations.
Sure, you can say that since the OS and office suite are from MS, it is their right to be a little ignorant of customer needs, but I won't. MS has far too many resources to do something stupid like this by accident, so there is more than just programming oversight at work. Whether you think that failed logic or not, it is true.
The argument that "it's no big deal, just activate visio and move on" is a failed logic. If MS had their way, you'd have to activate the Windows OS before your computer would operate, even in stand alone mode with some other OS installed. Monopolies need to be pushed back against at each given instance, no matter how small. The adage, give them an inch and they will take a mile applies here.
Only when MS is seen to be operating in a manner that is both consistent and fair to its competitors will it be okay to cut them some slack.
I believe you are right. If they were pressured into settling via what now looks like illegal or objectionable methods, I think they have a right for class action. IANAL, but should they be found guilty of collusion and other bespoke illegal business practices, the protection money they extorted from people should constitute reasonable cause for compensation.
Since when was it news that you can't arrest your boss? If the FBI were prosecuting cyber criminals, they would have to arrest people at MD, MS, RIAA/MPAA and other 'defenders of American freedom' in the course of business.
Their death is slow, torturous, tortuous, and painful to experience with them, but when they refuse to change with the times, and provide secure computing experience, customer's move on to something else. A word of warning for FOSS developers here.
Today we see people suggesting strongly that users abandon MS's new OS for many reasons. This is the arguably dominant desktop OS across the globe, and they are losing face for nothing more than treating users and customers like idiots.
It won't take long before no one will use AIM, and that problem will go away. Sure, it will still be around on someone's machine somewhere, but that user will die of stupidity soon anyway.
I may sound sarcastic, but I'm not, this is how the end begins. Making stupid mistakes, letting end users suffer, and generally thinking that not creating superior products is necessary. I personally choose to suffer bad driver support or other shortcomings than allow the OS manufacturer spy on my computer use, or worse report it back to someone else.
Google dances around this line quite a lot, but seems to still respect the user, and their privacy. I am seriously hoping that this issue becomes a US Presidential election issue. Privacy, security, and consumer rights where software is concerned. The MS stealth update is nothing more than malware. Commercial companies found guilty of DDoS and other sabotage efforts should be fined, and corporate officers imprisoned.
Yes, I could make the hardware on my desk secure by unplugging the network cable, but I can also make my car safe from accidents if I leave it in the garage. Neither is a suitable answer. Common sense should be applied to this, if your vehicle suddenly stopped getting > 25mpg because you filled the tank with brand X gasoline it would be a case for federal investigations. My computers cost as much as my car, I spend a great deal of money each month on or via my network connection using those computers. It is time that personal liberties and security were treated the same whether it is in regard to computing, or any other activity.
voting with your feet will eventually kill off the AIM client, but it should a case for a fine, if not more that the hole was left open negligently.
Are schools supposed to be doing this as an extension of their duty to prevent physical bullying in school, or is this is yet another example of governmental intervention where it is not due? Should kids be brought up knowing that their life on the web is being documented and controlled by people other than their parents?" No, yes, and FSCK YES !
Kids should know that the Internet is not a playground with safety bumpers on every sharp corner. It is for adults, and there are people out there that will monitor everything they can, people will take advantage of every opportunity. The sad fact is that not enough adults know this yet, so teaching kids about it is a good start at the education that should come with the purchase of Internet services.
All the training and FUD put into anit-terrorism won't stop a reasonably intelligent and determined terrorist. All that has been accomplished is to show the WORLD how ineffective anti-terrorist measures really are. While we are busy concentrating on stopping boy scouts and grandmothers from flying, REAL terrorists are figuring out how to shut down power grids, poison water supplies, or get a job in China so they can poison us with the US Government's consent.
I'm amazed they didn't tazer the girl and turn a piece of artwork into a real exploding device!
Seriously this country needs to get a grip on itself. These types of incidents would not seem all that bad if there really WERE terrorists walking around every airport in the US. Trouble is, there just isn't. Even when London was being bombed semi-regularly by the IRA, anti-terror measures were not so intrusive or blatantly idiotic.
It has been shown (sorry no links) that these anti-terror measures have failed to reduce terrorism at all, and in fact, recent anti-terror triumphs were due to ordinary pre-9/11 police methodologies.
If it wasn't such a dire situation, I might want to laugh...
..... But it would solve this issue with Microsoft once and for all. My first impression was thinking "what the fsck is that guy thinking. That quickly turned into, "wonder if he'll share some of what he's smoking... "
what you think of Trent or this latest bit of backlash on his part. The important thing is that artists now have someone to rally behind without being the 'frontman' as it were. Similar to how iPod and Apple were the first, other's followed. I hope that Trent is able to parlay this into a continuing and successful career move, and that others follow.
He, among other things, is right about the RIAA and their members.
Why you did not get modded up for that is beyond me. That is the most reasonable answer to this problem, and puts the onus back on the parent, where it should be. It also relieves the IT guy of having to fix the solution when it is bypassed in less than 3 hours after implementation.
Microsoft has been trying to create a secure OS for over a decade. They have also been trying to dominate the desktop market at every opportunity. They have not done either very well. It arguable that they dominate, but that was not done in a lab, it was done in a marketing team meeting room.
The toilet is easy to make, but you need to spend about $10 US to get 'parts' that enable you to use it. The book? No as easy, and $10 linden dollars per graphic times ?? pages. Of course then, you need about 4 years continuous time to read it as each graphical page of the book takes longer to load than a poorly designed web site.
standards that apply to government:
Once it's made into law, it's very difficult to change it. Once it's written down, getting it taken off is nearly impossible, and that applies to names on lists as well.
Once a program is implemented, the inertia is difficult to stop or reverse, for all the political and financial reasons that it is difficult to get rolling in the first place.
If there is an opportunity for big business or big government to abuse something, they will, sooner or later.
The ONLY way to prevent the inevitable abuses of national IDs is to never have them at all. No matter what minor benefits it might be believed they would bring, the opportunity for abuse is far greater. If that opportunity exists, it WILL be exploited. This program needs to be stomped to death and never repeated.
Ahem... excuse me, but I disagree with you. I've been in the Navy, yes the same one, and Training is a regular process, not something that happens only when new systems are installed. Training is part of the job. The cost of adoption will be less of a problem than you think it might be. Porting applications to *nix from Windows will be the big cost as a portion of it is purchased from military contractors. Unless those apps are ready to run on Linux, it will cost. Training a sailor on a new system is a regular part of the job, no big sweat.
Or... maybe they don't read/. so don't know that there is ID embedded in the song files... So, quite by accident, or even if the person just doesn't care (they did steal an iPod, right?) your songs end up all over the evil P2P networks...
Well, sort of, It would definitely be a remote you couldn't lose, but it would also put a PC in your living room that could be used while the TV is playing. To store video downloads and playback on screen, you need a pc really, and being able to surf the channel lineup while the show is playing on your PVR is also cool. The extra equipment just makes a lot of sense to *BE* the coffee table
how to find out if anyone with a similar name/address/age/etc. is on the sex offender list? Perhaps a stupid question, but it would be good to post such information here
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Not because $0.00 is a valid price to download, but because they are actually doing something right, valuing a download vs. real physical product in this test. No matter what they do, people will be sharing their music for free, so they capitalize on that for the news bite, AND offer up more than a license to listen to 3+ minutes of music for sale. The way the human mind tends to work, they stand a good chance of making money on this.
by its real name? MS Windows Ooops, thereby making it more compatible with Gooooogle ???
Is this like not being able to install extra sensors on your car's alarm system because you have not yet activated your OnStar service?
Or maybe it is like not being able to use Vonage VoIP if you have not yet activated your VoIP account with your ISP ???
The original poster is right, this is stupid. There is no excuse for this, and amounts to MS trying to ensure that you use their products and nobody else's products by mopolistic use of your desktop. Personally I feel that if this is found to be widespread issue, it should result in further DOJ investigations.
Sure, you can say that since the OS and office suite are from MS, it is their right to be a little ignorant of customer needs, but I won't. MS has far too many resources to do something stupid like this by accident, so there is more than just programming oversight at work. Whether you think that failed logic or not, it is true.
The argument that "it's no big deal, just activate visio and move on" is a failed logic. If MS had their way, you'd have to activate the Windows OS before your computer would operate, even in stand alone mode with some other OS installed. Monopolies need to be pushed back against at each given instance, no matter how small. The adage, give them an inch and they will take a mile applies here.
Only when MS is seen to be operating in a manner that is both consistent and fair to its competitors will it be okay to cut them some slack.
I believe you are right. If they were pressured into settling via what now looks like illegal or objectionable methods, I think they have a right for class action. IANAL, but should they be found guilty of collusion and other bespoke illegal business practices, the protection money they extorted from people should constitute reasonable cause for compensation.
Since when was it news that you can't arrest your boss? If the FBI were prosecuting cyber criminals, they would have to arrest people at MD, MS, RIAA/MPAA and other 'defenders of American freedom' in the course of business.
Their death is slow, torturous, tortuous, and painful to experience with them, but when they refuse to change with the times, and provide secure computing experience, customer's move on to something else. A word of warning for FOSS developers here.
Today we see people suggesting strongly that users abandon MS's new OS for many reasons. This is the arguably dominant desktop OS across the globe, and they are losing face for nothing more than treating users and customers like idiots.
It won't take long before no one will use AIM, and that problem will go away. Sure, it will still be around on someone's machine somewhere, but that user will die of stupidity soon anyway.
I may sound sarcastic, but I'm not, this is how the end begins. Making stupid mistakes, letting end users suffer, and generally thinking that not creating superior products is necessary. I personally choose to suffer bad driver support or other shortcomings than allow the OS manufacturer spy on my computer use, or worse report it back to someone else.
Google dances around this line quite a lot, but seems to still respect the user, and their privacy. I am seriously hoping that this issue becomes a US Presidential election issue. Privacy, security, and consumer rights where software is concerned. The MS stealth update is nothing more than malware. Commercial companies found guilty of DDoS and other sabotage efforts should be fined, and corporate officers imprisoned.
Yes, I could make the hardware on my desk secure by unplugging the network cable, but I can also make my car safe from accidents if I leave it in the garage. Neither is a suitable answer. Common sense should be applied to this, if your vehicle suddenly stopped getting > 25mpg because you filled the tank with brand X gasoline it would be a case for federal investigations. My computers cost as much as my car, I spend a great deal of money each month on or via my network connection using those computers. It is time that personal liberties and security were treated the same whether it is in regard to computing, or any other activity.
voting with your feet will eventually kill off the AIM client, but it should a case for a fine, if not more that the hole was left open negligently.
Don't you mean that honest (science) journalism just doesn't sell well? The parts in parenthesis is optional for our purposes here.
Kids should know that the Internet is not a playground with safety bumpers on every sharp corner. It is for adults, and there are people out there that will monitor everything they can, people will take advantage of every opportunity. The sad fact is that not enough adults know this yet, so teaching kids about it is a good start at the education that should come with the purchase of Internet services.
So does this mean that the dog really did eat my homework (in another universe) and thus I'm not really telling a lie?
November's DVD of the month is "how to create your own legal pleadings" with Video Professor's MS-Office accessories training 'product' ?
All the training and FUD put into anit-terrorism won't stop a reasonably intelligent and determined terrorist. All that has been accomplished is to show the WORLD how ineffective anti-terrorist measures really are. While we are busy concentrating on stopping boy scouts and grandmothers from flying, REAL terrorists are figuring out how to shut down power grids, poison water supplies, or get a job in China so they can poison us with the US Government's consent.
I'm amazed they didn't tazer the girl and turn a piece of artwork into a real exploding device!
Seriously this country needs to get a grip on itself. These types of incidents would not seem all that bad if there really WERE terrorists walking around every airport in the US. Trouble is, there just isn't. Even when London was being bombed semi-regularly by the IRA, anti-terror measures were not so intrusive or blatantly idiotic.
It has been shown (sorry no links) that these anti-terror measures have failed to reduce terrorism at all, and in fact, recent anti-terror triumphs were due to ordinary pre-9/11 police methodologies.
If it wasn't such a dire situation, I might want to laugh...
..... But it would solve this issue with Microsoft once and for all. My first impression was thinking "what the fsck is that guy thinking. That quickly turned into, "wonder if he'll share some of what he's smoking... "TGIFF
what you think of Trent or this latest bit of backlash on his part. The important thing is that artists now have someone to rally behind without being the 'frontman' as it were. Similar to how iPod and Apple were the first, other's followed. I hope that Trent is able to parlay this into a continuing and successful career move, and that others follow.
He, among other things, is right about the RIAA and their members.
Why you did not get modded up for that is beyond me. That is the most reasonable answer to this problem, and puts the onus back on the parent, where it should be. It also relieves the IT guy of having to fix the solution when it is bypassed in less than 3 hours after implementation.
Microsoft has been trying to create a secure OS for over a decade. They have also been trying to dominate the desktop market at every opportunity. They have not done either very well. It arguable that they dominate, but that was not done in a lab, it was done in a marketing team meeting room.
/* So we can get crap MS proprietary code and corrupted standards in Linux now too, huh. */
I thought that was what Wine was for?
The toilet is easy to make, but you need to spend about $10 US to get 'parts' that enable you to use it. The book? No as easy, and $10 linden dollars per graphic times ?? pages. Of course then, you need about 4 years continuous time to read it as each graphical page of the book takes longer to load than a poorly designed web site.
standards that apply to government: Once it's made into law, it's very difficult to change it. Once it's written down, getting it taken off is nearly impossible, and that applies to names on lists as well. Once a program is implemented, the inertia is difficult to stop or reverse, for all the political and financial reasons that it is difficult to get rolling in the first place. If there is an opportunity for big business or big government to abuse something, they will, sooner or later. The ONLY way to prevent the inevitable abuses of national IDs is to never have them at all. No matter what minor benefits it might be believed they would bring, the opportunity for abuse is far greater. If that opportunity exists, it WILL be exploited. This program needs to be stomped to death and never repeated.
Ahem... excuse me, but I disagree with you. I've been in the Navy, yes the same one, and Training is a regular process, not something that happens only when new systems are installed. Training is part of the job. The cost of adoption will be less of a problem than you think it might be. Porting applications to *nix from Windows will be the big cost as a portion of it is purchased from military contractors. Unless those apps are ready to run on Linux, it will cost. Training a sailor on a new system is a regular part of the job, no big sweat.
In short, I think you are wrong.
I can't figure out who wrote the NoRoland grease monkey script... but I've been meaning to say thanks!
Or... maybe they don't read /. so don't know that there is ID embedded in the song files... So, quite by accident, or even if the person just doesn't care (they did steal an iPod, right?) your songs end up all over the evil P2P networks...
It will prevent anyone but you using the music, will help them track down file sharers, and will increase the value of CD's ...
What no one thought of is that if you lose your iPod, without much effort you will become the RIAA's brand new Public Enemy Number One...
Sigh
Well, sort of, It would definitely be a remote you couldn't lose, but it would also put a PC in your living room that could be used while the TV is playing. To store video downloads and playback on screen, you need a pc really, and being able to surf the channel lineup while the show is playing on your PVR is also cool. The extra equipment just makes a lot of sense to *BE* the coffee table
how to find out if anyone with a similar name/address/age/etc. is on the sex offender list? Perhaps a stupid question, but it would be good to post such information here