Well the wifi card I use is an Orinoco Wavelan Gold that I've borrowed from work but the driver and compatibility list is here:
As for other cards I'm using a generic CF->PCMCIA adapter - the kind that the entire CF card is inserted into so nothing sticks out. The part number is PANMCFC2C and it cost me all of $12.
My fax/modem card is a Gateway 2000 Telepath 33.6 with an X-Jack connector on it and requires no added drivers to work.
There is a list of software I have somewhere but I don't have it handy.
The last of the Newton line. And I regularly use that with WiFi, networking, faxing, as well as any appointments I need to make.
I also share the opinion that the handwriting recognition on the Newton is the best I've ever seen. A friend of mine writes fantasy novels in her spare time and with all the weird names and spellings the damn thing had about a 90% recognition rate for her out of the box. And that was without a lot of training up front. And the thing learns so it's only going to get better.
Plus there's still people developing for the Newton - not too many but they're out there.
My only complaint is that the person who wrote the ATA/CF storage drivers wants almost $100 per Newton to be able to use large CF cards.:-(
But from that same site people are even emulating the Newton on other hardware. That say something in my mind as to how "right" Apple got it with the Newton.
I'm also pissed at Stargate, mostly at the retirement of you-know-who. What ever that dude from Farscape's name is needs to die. He's like one of those kids I always wanted to punch in the face while playing football. He's not a good replacement for the offbeat Colonel at all. The new general is also a poor replacement for General Hamond. He seems more like one of those nameless military types you'd see in one scene of a movie - he looks and sounds the part but he has no personality. I don't mind the crazy lady because she's, well, crazy but her Farscape boyfriend has got to go (or start acting less annoying).
---- Announcer's voice:
Watch Stargate the Series! It's Farscape with 50% less muppets! ----
Yeah, I'm going to pay for that one...
FWIW I would love to see some back story on the B5 characters. I've been re-watching the entire series lately and as other have also stated I keep finding things I've missed.
Was that one of the monstrosities that used bundles of coax cables as interconnects? Or were those an even older series of drive?
It's one of "those" drives yes.;-)
Actually that drive is capable of using the thick "licorice strap" style cables as well - which is how mine is connected.
However at >10A to spin the drive up I'm currently not turning the platter even though I could if I used the one outlet in my basement like I did to test it.
But I'll tell you - there's nothing like the sound of those drives humming away. Great memories from my childhood...
And, incidentally, the ten year life of the lubricant reservoir should be sufficient IMHO. I can't imagine in ten years we'll still be using the same hard drives anyway.
Remind me to tell that to my DEC RA82 I have at home.;-)
They need encryption for their security but we can't have it for our privacy.
(And yes I'm well aware that nothing is forcing us in the US to hand over our encryption yet but don't worry it'll probably happen sooner than you expect.)
One law for the king and another for the people. We can't live like that...
If you want anybody to be able to reverse-engineer things for compatibility purposes then you better speak up right now. Otherwise this will be smacked down as hard as BNETD was.
And BNETD wasn't even substituting for a pay-to-play service so you can imaging what Lucas The Hutt's lawyers will do on this one.
Thank god I don't live in US. So I don't need to handle such stupidity.
Give us time. The US seems to be working hard to spread it's insanity and stupidity to the rest of the world.
Growing up I never thought I would ever be as ashamed of my country as I am now.
On-Topic here - if the coffee shop had a Terms of Access login or redirection page then he's definitely being stupid and breaching a contract he _had_ to have agreed to so he could use the connection. Wireless for the cost of a muffin or a black coffee or a bottle of water is more than enough to let you sit there in your car at length. And you're paying to keep that connection available to you. Expecting something totally free from a business is unrealistic in my opinion.
As for him being a Sex Offender - WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Like someone else posted: Unless he's fapping it in the car or downloading KP it's not related to the story and shouldn't have been mentioned.
Reporter: "After all that you've just gone through, I have to ask you the same question a lot of people back home are asking about space these days. Is it worth it? Should we just pull back, forget the whole thing as a bad idea, and take care of our own problems, at home?"
Sinclair: "No. We have to stay here, and there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics - and you'll get ten different answers. But there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on: whether it happens in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or a million years, eventually our sun will grow cold, and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us, it'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-tsu, Einstein, Maruputo, Buddy Holly, Aristophanes - all of this. All of this was for nothing, unless we go to the stars."
If I had mod points you'd have them in an instant!
In my opinion this is the attitude that has to be taken about this subject. To stay is to definitely die off while to go is to preserve as much as we can of our species.
Though admittedly going by the B5 comment if all we have to worry about is the sun going out we have plenty of time. Unfortunately due to planetary history such as meteor strikes, pollution, war, etc. we have far far less time than that.
You know, I used to read a lot of sci-fi, I watched Trek, Firefly, and I have huge respect for Hawking's intellect, yadda yadda, but I'm starting to find these calls to colonize the stars "or else" to be off the mark. The fact of the matter is this, gang: we are fragile critters, sacks of water more or less, and we can only survive in an environment that exists only in very small portions of the universe - so small it's comparitively non-existent. This notion that we're going to piss around in city-sized spaceships, or "terraform" all these supposed M-class planets, just like in Aliens(kewl!), and spread all over the universe like a pock-marked trailer park, is just, well, it's just fantasy. *Fun* fantasy, make no mistake, but we're talking real life here. That means long term effects of living in weightlessness(physically and psychologically, we can't). Exceeding the speed of light(we can't). Terraforming(we're so far away from anything even theoretically possible that it's fantasy).
No offense but in 20 years I hope to find your statement here quaint.
We humans have been going places we aren't supposed to be able to survive in for longer than I can recall and longer than our recorded history as well. Space is just one more place we're going that we're not supposed to be able to go to. When we're ready we'll settle there too. Hopefully that will be before we destroy ourselves.
Dude, I don't actually care. If they're trying to convince the public that filesharing is no longer a threat to them... HOORAY! I can share without guilt or fear of reprisal!
I wasn't saying I cared, I was just translating.;-)
But I honestly wouldn't go hog wild again because you know the minute they get a reason they'll attack like rabid dogs again.
P2P downloading hasn't stopped and we can't stop it so we're going to just say it's contained, ignore it, and hope the media can snow the public.
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I honestly could care less if mainstream PC companies leave out linux. they usually don't really get it right anyway - offering a limited selection of pre-installed distros that are installed their way.
You'll care once they start producing hardware with encrypted software drivers that only work on Vista or whatever the flavor-of-the-day Microsoft OS is.
The fact that they're working towards becoming an exclusing Microsoft partner means that at some point they will cease to produce anything that is compatible with anything else. From their business point of view it won't make sense to do so.
How typical. Advocating someone's demise is criminal in most countries, you know. (yeah I get your joke, but you have serious problems if you're suggesting certain types of people should be killed... you would fit in nicely in a nice autocratic dictatorship somewhere).
How about Save the planet! Recycle a politician!
Dude. Lighten up. People make fun of this stuff because otherwise they'd be seriously tweaked after dealing with it day in and day out - or at least the end results of it that trickle down to them. It's a necesary release of emotion sometimes.
For instance buying the wrong software as a small business, for a large sum of money, then not being able to resell it due to the EULA terms would certainly cause serious enough stress that a release would be needed.
Actually, that's exactly what it does. You've made factually incorrect statements, which upon refutation, you stand by. That speaks to your (lack of) credibility, which directly effects the validity of ALL of your arguments.
No. I made A factually incorrect statement. One failure to have correct data before placing an argument does not invalidate the entire argument. Even without any other standard of judgement. Each point in the argument must be taken as a separate piece of data. I feel that despite not knowing the president was Methodist instead of Catholic is not enough to invalidate the entire argument of leaving this country or staying to fight for our freedoms.
Nope, what I keep claiming is that you could be reasonably expected to show the same level of accuracy across your arguments. With no other standard to judge you by, one grossly inaccurate statement (followed by an exclamation, then an assertion of accuracy) calls all of your arguments into question.
In other words, why believe anything you say when you've already demonstrated a willingness to be... flexible with the facts.
What I showed was a willingness to correct data that, thanks to you, was found to be incorrect. You have yet to attempt to do anything but badger me on that one point.
How about this, no more derogatory comments from me, as long as you agree not to post anymore grossly inaccurate assertions. Deal?
Hmm...I think I will finally, after wasting time I said I would no longer waste, sink to your level.
*ahem* Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! *ahem*
There? You've proven that I am an unwashed know-nothing heathen out to do nothing but waste your time. Satisfied Troll?
He's not a Catholic, he's a Methodist if I recall correctly. In case you were unaware, they don't see eye to eye, so the "Catholic values" you're talking about, well, what the fuck are you talking about?
Fair enough. Perhaps a better term would have been "Christian values". Still you have yet to prove to me that Catholics are discriminated against. From all my experiences in life Catholics and Baptists seems to be able to worship freely and even inject their faith and dogma into every aspect of their jobs, including government positions, and not be questioned about it despite many jobs requiring objectivity as far as religion is concerned. I'm willing to understand and believe but not until you can prove it to me.
And it appears, based on the most recent post, that I was exactly right.
You know - not once have I claimed to be a definitive source on any matter here. Nor did I claim that my information was all inclusive or even 100% correct but merely that I was informed on the subject. You keep claiming that because I have one fact wrong it invalidates my entire argument and it does not.
At least do a little fucking research before you spout off.
You are correct that I need to do more research - everyone does. But again that in no way invalidates my entire argument. The point that we should either fight or leave still remains the same no matter how much you try and focus it towards one argumentative agenda.
Wow are you thick.
Not once in this entire argument have I insulted you. Nor have I insulted anyone else in this forum during a serious discussion. I ask that you respect my point of view as I have respected yours. But maybe that's too much to ask...
What the fuck are you talking about? Catholics are STILL discrimnated against, that's the point.
EXCUSE ME???
So a president that's intent on bringing Catholic values into the white house and every facet of government is discrimination against Catholics? If that sort of stuff gets put into place then it won't be safe to be anything BUT Catholic. I would say that's reversing the discrimination quite a bit!
It's obvious from your reply that you're only interested in continually restating your position without justification. Nothing you've said refutes me in any way, and your rambling paragraph about Granny only proves my point.
The point of that paragraph was to show that I did have some knowledge of what I'm talking about which you claimed I did not.
I don't know why you think you've made a case for anything, but you haven't. You've only wasted my time, and you'll get no more.
Fair enough. You've closed your ears and insulted me so I too will waste no more time on you.
Catholics weren't discriminated against a hundred years ago? Of course they were.
So reversing that descrimination makes it right?
And that didn't happen previously, you know when there wasn't a 40 hour work week, no unions, no OSHA, etc?
You're obviously not a salaried tech worker - I work much more than 40 hours a week and get paid for only 40. If I don't want to get fired on some lame excuse that's what I have to do. And while you are correct that there were worse laws to prevent things like this take a look around you - companies are gradually stripping the labor laws, the whistleblower laws, and anything else that prevents you from being effectively an indentured servant. Add nasty credit bills, high medical and insurance bills, corrupt unions making the situation worse, and corrupt companies that you don't have a choice but to work for if you're going to pay all your bills.
Bonus riots, Haymarket riots, Kent State, etc. It's happened for hundreds of years.
And this is an excuse to spy on everyone? To remove all possibility of privacy? That's what they want - you might disagree but I refuse to sugarcoat this government's intentions.
Read this. I think you'll be amazed at how you've overstated your position, and at how little you know about the subject.
Ummm...hello!? With inflation taken into account as well as our serious credit issues as consumers we still have the same type of money problems if in different amounts. A man often still gets paid much more than a woman and much less than he needs to survive. It's happening every day. I will admit that for most people the standard of living has risen quite a bit but a quick look in any city will reveal slums filled with people who have little or no chance, barring extraordinary measures, of becoming effectively anything but slave labor. I'm not talking about the people that sit on their butts and collect welfare checks but the ones that actually try to better themselves. There are ways out of the problem for them but they are few and far between. Sounds very 1900's don't you think?
My grandmother used to tell us stories of the depression and how grandfather took all sorts of dangerous jobs - coal mining in PA for example - just to make ends meet. My mother would be teased for having mud on her shoes because she had to walk through mud to get to school rather than be able to ride the bus. They couldn't afford the bus fees. And how she smelled like the farm that she helped with so they had food to eat. My family on my mother's side has never been even close to flush. They've always been scraping for money even before I was born so I know a bit more about it than you think.
The other guy is right. Things were much worse in the past. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make them better, but let's not act like we're living during the Inquisition.
While I will agree that some things were worse in the past some more things are worse NOW. And if we don't scream loudly and take action then those that created that nasty past will create an even worse future. As for living in the inquisition - try openly claiming to be Muslim and get a job somewhere like the airport. Or in fact any good high-level job where the government is involved. I'm betting that you don't know the levels to which the government will stoop to check your background. And I'm also betting that if you're openly Muslim and openly speak out against the government you will not get a high-paying position if they have any say about it nor a security clearance. Sounds like they inquire quite a bit and you'r punished if you don't pass...
No, we won't and we haven't. We couldn't achieve the civil rights abuses that we already have had if we tried. If you are suggesting that this nation is worse off then say 1940, you are bat shit crazy. We will never ever again have segregation laws. Women will never again make up a minority of the college educated people in this world. No, people do not feel the same way they did in 1940. The fact that 57% of all college grads are women pretty squarely rebukes this insane belief. Times and people have changed. The past was not a fairy tale land and today the nightmare. Only in our fairytale imagination can we delude ourselves into thinking that things have actually gotten worse.
So instead we have an increase in religious discrimination, exploitation of anybody with a low income, the inability to effectively protest without being labeled a terrorist, and people living to work not working to live. While you are correct in the fact that some things have gotten better OTHER things have gotten worse. And will continue to do so. Just because we don't have the SAME violations and problems doesn't mean we won't have ones equaly as bad.
We are on what, year 3 of this conflict? We have lost fewer than 2,500 soldiers. That makes Iraq a lesser killer in the US then swimming pools. Get a grip on reality. We have fought major wars at least once every 20 years since 1900. World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam make Iraq look like pocket change. Further, of all of those wars, only Iraq was fought with an all volunteer army. I don't know about you, but I consider a war with under 3000 casualties fought with a volunteer army a pretty damn big improvement over draft armies that managed to score hundreds of thousands of casualties and kill millions in their wake. Again, you are dealing with some serious delusional revisionist history if you think things are getting worse and NOW is the time to run to Canada. You missed the boat. If you don't like this shit, your great grand parents should have bailed because things are only getting better, not worse.
Still too many dead and too much spent for what amounts to nothing more than sheer greed. The price isn't the issue - it's what we're buying with that price. A life is worth much more than a barrel of oil.
Right. Unlike in the good old days when the only psyche drug was lithium which was great shit with no side effects. Unlike in the good old days when all surgery involved being split down the middle, pulled apart, and having a pretty moderate to fair chance of being killed. Unlike in the good old days when poorly tested birth control drugs resulted in a rash of babies being born without limbs. In these new and horrible day of drug company abuse, for some reason we seem to be living longer and longer. Why do you think that is? Have we collectively suddenly started eating better (I'll give you a hint, the answer is no, we eat like shit)? Again, you are suffering from some hardcore revisionist history if you think medicine has somehow gotten worse. You are also blatantly ignoring the fact that even though we exercise less and eat worse, we keep on living longer and longer. The good old days when America was wonderful and proper never existed.
Granted there are reasons to accept a drug with multiple side effect but most of the time the drug manufactureres CAN do better but DON'T due to financial pressure for profit. I'm sure there were much better drugs than Lithium too.
As for the babies being born with defects - my daughter is an Autistic 8 eyar old. Her Autism was catalyized by the Thimerosal put into the MMR and other vaccine shots. That data was IGNORED AND HID until people beat the doors down exposing it. Medicine may have gotten better but the ethics behind the medicine have gotten worse.
Have you ever seen a police helicopter? What did you do when you did? Did you freak the fuck out because they WERE WATCHING YOU. No. You probably didn't give a shit while the police helicopter went on not
Hey Dude, you should move up to Canada. Shit's good up here. Ineffectual minority governments that can't actually do anything - universal health care - good schools - great weather (on the west coast) - lots of jobs. It's God's country:)
Sounds fantastic - and I already know some Canadians I could stay with.
Seriously, all you American/.-ers who bitch and moan about America - I don't blame you, but why don't you just leave?
Because some of us are married to sheeple and have little lambs. If we were to try to leave it would be like trying to remove a barbed fishing hook - the harder you pull the more it latches on. You have to work the hook out. What use would it be to move and take my child only to be sued for custody and have my child dragged back into the mess?
Right. Take a look at this thread. Do you see piles of people saying "Hey guys, be chill, they are just UAVs taking top down shots at people in public?" Not really. At worst you are going to get an overrated for adding nothing to the conversation then the usual "Fuck it! I'm moving to Canada!". Making this line of thinking roughly as reasonable as the "some country did something horrible" story getting responded to with "yeah, but the US sucks too!!!11!!"
Fair enough. The moderation often doesn't make much sense though.
At least we have not imprisoned citizens of Japanese ancestry, segregate out the blacks, kept the women in the damn kitchen, draft everyone of age into the army, and then went out and utterly flatten and destroy cities, kill tens of millions in indiscriminate bombing, and then occupy at a couple of civilizations, doesn't it?
Oh wait, we have.
And we'll do it again and again and again because the people that are in power now are the children of the people in power then and are taught AND BELIEVE the same as their parents.
Get a grip on reality. The US has steadily gotten better. The "good old days" as you seem to remember them are a delusion. Hell, it wasn't like Vietnam and the atrocities committed on the citizens (via the draft) and others (via machine guns, bombs, napalm, Agent Orange, exc.) are a distant memory. Exactly what good old days are you pining away for?
The good old days are here. Discrimination is lower then at any point in history, women make up 57% of college gradates, we have not imprisoned every single person of the same ancestry as we are fighting, and the people are so sensitized to war that some psycho bitch who apparently likes naked Arab men gets the headlines for being an example of the horrific treatment of an occupied nation (versus, you know, US soldiers lining women and children up on the street and executing them Vietnam style).
Instead we live in a country where we're still fighting a war in a foreign land that uses children occasinally for suicide bombers, has no strategic value other than oil, is eating soldiers and resources by the C5-full, and is rife with corporate greed. Oh and then there's our internal conflicts like a corrupt government that is following the instructions of large corporations and to hell with it's people, that produces drugs with multiple side-effects so they can get the drugs to market and make money at the expense of people's lives (you used to only be allowed one - maybe), that considers personal privacy a threat to it's own power and less important than keeping people from copying that movie or DVD, that has rigged election results - Diebold anyone?, that has no plans for a future that doesn't involve a war somewhere, and that has pissed off most of the civilized and uncivilized world at this point.
As for the "some psycho bitch who apparently likes naked Arab men" comment, if you really believed in free speech you wouldn't have mentioned it. And our country is all about free speech...right? Or should I stand in a Free Speech Zone before saying that?
Is the best we can find to bitch at being that some fat cop is going to get a fly a UAV to watch a large gathering rather then have to get up off his ass and watch it on foot? Have you ever been to any large gathering of people in the public space? There are always a pile of cops there to break up fights, keep people from pouring into the traffic, and keep the counter-protests for getting murdered/murdering someone. So who gives a flying fuck if instead of one more cop in a cruiser standing on the ground with a beating stick they have a UAV?
Because those UAVs have only one use - surveillance. Do you honestly believe that they are only going to use them for crowd control? It's too far and too fast down the "slippery slope" - almost unchecked at this point. Once they get permission to fly them it will be easy enough to widen the search pattern so
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Well the wifi card I use is an Orinoco Wavelan Gold that I've borrowed from work but the driver and compatibility list is here:
As for other cards I'm using a generic CF->PCMCIA adapter - the kind that the entire CF card is inserted into so nothing sticks out. The part number is PANMCFC2C and it cost me all of $12.
My fax/modem card is a Gateway 2000 Telepath 33.6 with an X-Jack connector on it and requires no added drivers to work.
There is a list of software I have somewhere but I don't have it handy.
My apologies. It's $60+ US for a single Newton and $85 for a multiple-Newton license. Still expensive but not as bad as I thought.
The last of the Newton line. And I regularly use that with WiFi, networking, faxing, as well as any appointments I need to make.
:-(
I also share the opinion that the handwriting recognition on the Newton is the best I've ever seen. A friend of mine writes fantasy novels in her spare time and with all the weird names and spellings the damn thing had about a 90% recognition rate for her out of the box. And that was without a lot of training up front. And the thing learns so it's only going to get better.
Plus there's still people developing for the Newton - not too many but they're out there.
My only complaint is that the person who wrote the ATA/CF storage drivers wants almost $100 per Newton to be able to use large CF cards.
But from that same site people are even emulating the Newton on other hardware. That say something in my mind as to how "right" Apple got it with the Newton.
I'm also pissed at Stargate, mostly at the retirement of you-know-who. What ever that dude from Farscape's name is needs to die. He's like one of those kids I always wanted to punch in the face while playing football. He's not a good replacement for the offbeat Colonel at all. The new general is also a poor replacement for General Hamond. He seems more like one of those nameless military types you'd see in one scene of a movie - he looks and sounds the part but he has no personality. I don't mind the crazy lady because she's, well, crazy but her Farscape boyfriend has got to go (or start acting less annoying).
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Announcer's voice:
Watch Stargate the Series! It's Farscape with 50% less muppets!
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Yeah, I'm going to pay for that one...
FWIW I would love to see some back story on the B5 characters. I've been re-watching the entire series lately and as other have also stated I keep finding things I've missed.
Was that one of the monstrosities that used bundles of coax cables as interconnects? Or were those an even older series of drive?
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It's one of "those" drives yes.
Actually that drive is capable of using the thick "licorice strap" style cables as well - which is how mine is connected.
However at >10A to spin the drive up I'm currently not turning the platter even though I could if I used the one outlet in my basement like I did to test it.
But I'll tell you - there's nothing like the sound of those drives humming away. Great memories from my childhood...
And, incidentally, the ten year life of the lubricant reservoir should be sufficient IMHO. I can't imagine in ten years we'll still be using the same hard drives anyway.
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Remind me to tell that to my DEC RA82 I have at home.
It's a sad day when conspiracy theorists have to cite what-ifs as evidence.
They've been trying for years...
I think under the current climate it won't be long now.
They need encryption for their security but we can't have it for our privacy .
(And yes I'm well aware that nothing is forcing us in the US to hand over our encryption yet but don't worry it'll probably happen sooner than you expect.)
One law for the king and another for the people. We can't live like that...
Everybody recall BNETD?
If you want anybody to be able to reverse-engineer things for compatibility purposes then you better speak up right now. Otherwise this will be smacked down as hard as BNETD was.
And BNETD wasn't even substituting for a pay-to-play service so you can imaging what Lucas The Hutt's lawyers will do on this one.
You thought Vivendi was bad...
Thank god I don't live in US. So I don't need to handle such stupidity.
Give us time. The US seems to be working hard to spread it's insanity and stupidity to the rest of the world.
Growing up I never thought I would ever be as ashamed of my country as I am now.
On-Topic here - if the coffee shop had a Terms of Access login or redirection page then he's definitely being stupid and breaching a contract he _had_ to have agreed to so he could use the connection. Wireless for the cost of a muffin or a black coffee or a bottle of water is more than enough to let you sit there in your car at length. And you're paying to keep that connection available to you. Expecting something totally free from a business is unrealistic in my opinion.
As for him being a Sex Offender - WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Like someone else posted: Unless he's fapping it in the car or downloading KP it's not related to the story and shouldn't have been mentioned.
Season 1, Episode 4: Infection
Reporter: "After all that you've just gone through, I have to ask you the same question a lot of people back home are asking about space these days. Is it worth it? Should we just pull back, forget the whole thing as a bad idea, and take care of our own problems, at home?"
Sinclair: "No. We have to stay here, and there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics - and you'll get ten different answers. But there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on: whether it happens in a hundred years, or a thousand years, or a million years, eventually our sun will grow cold, and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us, it'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-tsu, Einstein, Maruputo, Buddy Holly, Aristophanes - all of this. All of this was for nothing, unless we go to the stars."
If I had mod points you'd have them in an instant!
In my opinion this is the attitude that has to be taken about this subject. To stay is to definitely die off while to go is to preserve as much as we can of our species.
Though admittedly going by the B5 comment if all we have to worry about is the sun going out we have plenty of time. Unfortunately due to planetary history such as meteor strikes, pollution, war, etc. we have far far less time than that.
Again, only my opinion...
You know, I used to read a lot of sci-fi, I watched Trek, Firefly, and I have huge respect for Hawking's intellect, yadda yadda, but I'm starting to find these calls to colonize the stars "or else" to be off the mark. The fact of the matter is this, gang: we are fragile critters, sacks of water more or less, and we can only survive in an environment that exists only in very small portions of the universe - so small it's comparitively non-existent. This notion that we're going to piss around in city-sized spaceships, or "terraform" all these supposed M-class planets, just like in Aliens(kewl!), and spread all over the universe like a pock-marked trailer park, is just, well, it's just fantasy. *Fun* fantasy, make no mistake, but we're talking real life here. That means long term effects of living in weightlessness(physically and psychologically, we can't). Exceeding the speed of light(we can't). Terraforming(we're so far away from anything even theoretically possible that it's fantasy).
No offense but in 20 years I hope to find your statement here quaint.
We humans have been going places we aren't supposed to be able to survive in for longer than I can recall and longer than our recorded history as well. Space is just one more place we're going that we're not supposed to be able to go to. When we're ready we'll settle there too. Hopefully that will be before we destroy ourselves.
Just my 2 cents worth...
Most people are downloading from iTunes, and we are making money so we don't care much anymore.
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Your alternate translation is also valid.
Dude, I don't actually care. If they're trying to convince the public that filesharing is no longer a threat to them... HOORAY! I can share without guilt or fear of reprisal!
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I wasn't saying I cared, I was just translating.
But I honestly wouldn't go hog wild again because you know the minute they get a reason they'll attack like rabid dogs again.
P2P downloading hasn't stopped and we can't stop it so we're going to just say it's contained, ignore it, and hope the media can snow the public.
I honestly could care less if mainstream PC companies leave out linux. they usually don't really get it right anyway - offering a limited selection of pre-installed distros that are installed their way.
You'll care once they start producing hardware with encrypted software drivers that only work on Vista or whatever the flavor-of-the-day Microsoft OS is.
The fact that they're working towards becoming an exclusing Microsoft partner means that at some point they will cease to produce anything that is compatible with anything else. From their business point of view it won't make sense to do so.
Linus - if you're reading this, which I know you are
/dev/null!
Linus Torvalds doesn't read Slashdot. He compiles kernel code until your post is brought to him out of
How typical. Advocating someone's demise is criminal in most countries, you know. (yeah I get your joke, but you have serious problems if you're suggesting certain types of people should be killed... you would fit in nicely in a nice autocratic dictatorship somewhere).
How about Save the planet! Recycle a politician!
Dude. Lighten up. People make fun of this stuff because otherwise they'd be seriously tweaked after dealing with it day in and day out - or at least the end results of it that trickle down to them. It's a necesary release of emotion sometimes.
For instance buying the wrong software as a small business, for a large sum of money, then not being able to resell it due to the EULA terms would certainly cause serious enough stress that a release would be needed.
Or were you just trolling?
Actually, that's exactly what it does. You've made factually incorrect statements, which upon refutation, you stand by. That speaks to your (lack of) credibility, which directly effects the validity of ALL of your arguments.
No. I made A factually incorrect statement. One failure to have correct data before placing an argument does not invalidate the entire argument. Even without any other standard of judgement. Each point in the argument must be taken as a separate piece of data. I feel that despite not knowing the president was Methodist instead of Catholic is not enough to invalidate the entire argument of leaving this country or staying to fight for our freedoms.
Nope, what I keep claiming is that you could be reasonably expected to show the same level of accuracy across your arguments. With no other standard to judge you by, one grossly inaccurate statement (followed by an exclamation, then an assertion of accuracy) calls all of your arguments into question.
In other words, why believe anything you say when you've already demonstrated a willingness to be... flexible with the facts.
What I showed was a willingness to correct data that, thanks to you, was found to be incorrect. You have yet to attempt to do anything but badger me on that one point.
How about this, no more derogatory comments from me, as long as you agree not to post anymore grossly inaccurate assertions. Deal?
Hmm...I think I will finally, after wasting time I said I would no longer waste, sink to your level.
*ahem* Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! *ahem*
There? You've proven that I am an unwashed know-nothing heathen out to do nothing but waste your time. Satisfied Troll?
He's not a Catholic, he's a Methodist if I recall correctly. In case you were unaware, they don't see eye to eye, so the "Catholic values" you're talking about, well, what the fuck are you talking about?
Fair enough. Perhaps a better term would have been "Christian values". Still you have yet to prove to me that Catholics are discriminated against. From all my experiences in life Catholics and Baptists seems to be able to worship freely and even inject their faith and dogma into every aspect of their jobs, including government positions, and not be questioned about it despite many jobs requiring objectivity as far as religion is concerned. I'm willing to understand and believe but not until you can prove it to me.
And it appears, based on the most recent post, that I was exactly right.
You know - not once have I claimed to be a definitive source on any matter here. Nor did I claim that my information was all inclusive or even 100% correct but merely that I was informed on the subject. You keep claiming that because I have one fact wrong it invalidates my entire argument and it does not.
At least do a little fucking research before you spout off.
You are correct that I need to do more research - everyone does. But again that in no way invalidates my entire argument. The point that we should either fight or leave still remains the same no matter how much you try and focus it towards one argumentative agenda.
Wow are you thick.
Not once in this entire argument have I insulted you. Nor have I insulted anyone else in this forum during a serious discussion. I ask that you respect my point of view as I have respected yours. But maybe that's too much to ask...
What the fuck are you talking about? Catholics are STILL discrimnated against, that's the point.
EXCUSE ME???
So a president that's intent on bringing Catholic values into the white house and every facet of government is discrimination against Catholics? If that sort of stuff gets put into place then it won't be safe to be anything BUT Catholic. I would say that's reversing the discrimination quite a bit!
It's obvious from your reply that you're only interested in continually restating your position without justification. Nothing you've said refutes me in any way, and your rambling paragraph about Granny only proves my point.
The point of that paragraph was to show that I did have some knowledge of what I'm talking about which you claimed I did not.
I don't know why you think you've made a case for anything, but you haven't. You've only wasted my time, and you'll get no more.
Fair enough. You've closed your ears and insulted me so I too will waste no more time on you.
Catholics weren't discriminated against a hundred years ago? Of course they were.
So reversing that descrimination makes it right?
And that didn't happen previously, you know when there wasn't a 40 hour work week, no unions, no OSHA, etc?
You're obviously not a salaried tech worker - I work much more than 40 hours a week and get paid for only 40. If I don't want to get fired on some lame excuse that's what I have to do. And while you are correct that there were worse laws to prevent things like this take a look around you - companies are gradually stripping the labor laws, the whistleblower laws, and anything else that prevents you from being effectively an indentured servant. Add nasty credit bills, high medical and insurance bills, corrupt unions making the situation worse, and corrupt companies that you don't have a choice but to work for if you're going to pay all your bills.
Bonus riots, Haymarket riots, Kent State, etc. It's happened for hundreds of years.
And this is an excuse to spy on everyone? To remove all possibility of privacy? That's what they want - you might disagree but I refuse to sugarcoat this government's intentions.
Read this. I think you'll be amazed at how you've overstated your position, and at how little you know about the subject.
Ummm...hello!? With inflation taken into account as well as our serious credit issues as consumers we still have the same type of money problems if in different amounts. A man often still gets paid much more than a woman and much less than he needs to survive. It's happening every day. I will admit that for most people the standard of living has risen quite a bit but a quick look in any city will reveal slums filled with people who have little or no chance, barring extraordinary measures, of becoming effectively anything but slave labor. I'm not talking about the people that sit on their butts and collect welfare checks but the ones that actually try to better themselves. There are ways out of the problem for them but they are few and far between. Sounds very 1900's don't you think?
My grandmother used to tell us stories of the depression and how grandfather took all sorts of dangerous jobs - coal mining in PA for example - just to make ends meet. My mother would be teased for having mud on her shoes because she had to walk through mud to get to school rather than be able to ride the bus. They couldn't afford the bus fees. And how she smelled like the farm that she helped with so they had food to eat. My family on my mother's side has never been even close to flush. They've always been scraping for money even before I was born so I know a bit more about it than you think.
The other guy is right. Things were much worse in the past. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make them better, but let's not act like we're living during the Inquisition.
While I will agree that some things were worse in the past some more things are worse NOW. And if we don't scream loudly and take action then those that created that nasty past will create an even worse future. As for living in the inquisition - try openly claiming to be Muslim and get a job somewhere like the airport. Or in fact any good high-level job where the government is involved. I'm betting that you don't know the levels to which the government will stoop to check your background. And I'm also betting that if you're openly Muslim and openly speak out against the government you will not get a high-paying position if they have any say about it nor a security clearance. Sounds like they inquire quite a bit and you'r punished if you don't pass...
No, we won't and we haven't. We couldn't achieve the civil rights abuses that we already have had if we tried. If you are suggesting that this nation is worse off then say 1940, you are bat shit crazy. We will never ever again have segregation laws. Women will never again make up a minority of the college educated people in this world. No, people do not feel the same way they did in 1940. The fact that 57% of all college grads are women pretty squarely rebukes this insane belief. Times and people have changed. The past was not a fairy tale land and today the nightmare. Only in our fairytale imagination can we delude ourselves into thinking that things have actually gotten worse.
So instead we have an increase in religious discrimination, exploitation of anybody with a low income, the inability to effectively protest without being labeled a terrorist, and people living to work not working to live. While you are correct in the fact that some things have gotten better OTHER things have gotten worse. And will continue to do so. Just because we don't have the SAME violations and problems doesn't mean we won't have ones equaly as bad.
We are on what, year 3 of this conflict? We have lost fewer than 2,500 soldiers. That makes Iraq a lesser killer in the US then swimming pools. Get a grip on reality. We have fought major wars at least once every 20 years since 1900. World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam make Iraq look like pocket change. Further, of all of those wars, only Iraq was fought with an all volunteer army. I don't know about you, but I consider a war with under 3000 casualties fought with a volunteer army a pretty damn big improvement over draft armies that managed to score hundreds of thousands of casualties and kill millions in their wake. Again, you are dealing with some serious delusional revisionist history if you think things are getting worse and NOW is the time to run to Canada. You missed the boat. If you don't like this shit, your great grand parents should have bailed because things are only getting better, not worse.
Still too many dead and too much spent for what amounts to nothing more than sheer greed. The price isn't the issue - it's what we're buying with that price. A life is worth much more than a barrel of oil.
Right. Unlike in the good old days when the only psyche drug was lithium which was great shit with no side effects. Unlike in the good old days when all surgery involved being split down the middle, pulled apart, and having a pretty moderate to fair chance of being killed. Unlike in the good old days when poorly tested birth control drugs resulted in a rash of babies being born without limbs. In these new and horrible day of drug company abuse, for some reason we seem to be living longer and longer. Why do you think that is? Have we collectively suddenly started eating better (I'll give you a hint, the answer is no, we eat like shit)? Again, you are suffering from some hardcore revisionist history if you think medicine has somehow gotten worse. You are also blatantly ignoring the fact that even though we exercise less and eat worse, we keep on living longer and longer. The good old days when America was wonderful and proper never existed.
Granted there are reasons to accept a drug with multiple side effect but most of the time the drug manufactureres CAN do better but DON'T due to financial pressure for profit. I'm sure there were much better drugs than Lithium too.
As for the babies being born with defects - my daughter is an Autistic 8 eyar old. Her Autism was catalyized by the Thimerosal put into the MMR and other vaccine shots. That data was IGNORED AND HID until people beat the doors down exposing it. Medicine may have gotten better but the ethics behind the medicine have gotten worse.
Have you ever seen a police helicopter? What did you do when you did? Did you freak the fuck out because they WERE WATCHING YOU. No. You probably didn't give a shit while the police helicopter went on not
Hey Dude, you should move up to Canada. Shit's good up here. Ineffectual minority governments that can't actually do anything - universal health care - good schools - great weather (on the west coast) - lots of jobs. It's God's country :)
/.-ers who bitch and moan about America - I don't blame you, but why don't you just leave?
Sounds fantastic - and I already know some Canadians I could stay with.
Seriously, all you American
Because some of us are married to sheeple and have little lambs. If we were to try to leave it would be like trying to remove a barbed fishing hook - the harder you pull the more it latches on. You have to work the hook out. What use would it be to move and take my child only to be sued for custody and have my child dragged back into the mess?
Right. Take a look at this thread. Do you see piles of people saying "Hey guys, be chill, they are just UAVs taking top down shots at people in public?" Not really. At worst you are going to get an overrated for adding nothing to the conversation then the usual "Fuck it! I'm moving to Canada!". Making this line of thinking roughly as reasonable as the "some country did something horrible" story getting responded to with "yeah, but the US sucks too!!!11!!"
Fair enough. The moderation often doesn't make much sense though.
At least we have not imprisoned citizens of Japanese ancestry, segregate out the blacks, kept the women in the damn kitchen, draft everyone of age into the army, and then went out and utterly flatten and destroy cities, kill tens of millions in indiscriminate bombing, and then occupy at a couple of civilizations, doesn't it?
Oh wait, we have.
And we'll do it again and again and again because the people that are in power now are the children of the people in power then and are taught AND BELIEVE the same as their parents.
Get a grip on reality. The US has steadily gotten better. The "good old days" as you seem to remember them are a delusion. Hell, it wasn't like Vietnam and the atrocities committed on the citizens (via the draft) and others (via machine guns, bombs, napalm, Agent Orange, exc.) are a distant memory. Exactly what good old days are you pining away for?
The good old days are here. Discrimination is lower then at any point in history, women make up 57% of college gradates, we have not imprisoned every single person of the same ancestry as we are fighting, and the people are so sensitized to war that some psycho bitch who apparently likes naked Arab men gets the headlines for being an example of the horrific treatment of an occupied nation (versus, you know, US soldiers lining women and children up on the street and executing them Vietnam style).
Instead we live in a country where we're still fighting a war in a foreign land that uses children occasinally for suicide bombers, has no strategic value other than oil, is eating soldiers and resources by the C5-full, and is rife with corporate greed. Oh and then there's our internal conflicts like a corrupt government that is following the instructions of large corporations and to hell with it's people, that produces drugs with multiple side-effects so they can get the drugs to market and make money at the expense of people's lives (you used to only be allowed one - maybe), that considers personal privacy a threat to it's own power and less important than keeping people from copying that movie or DVD, that has rigged election results - Diebold anyone?, that has no plans for a future that doesn't involve a war somewhere, and that has pissed off most of the civilized and uncivilized world at this point.
As for the "some psycho bitch who apparently likes naked Arab men" comment, if you really believed in free speech you wouldn't have mentioned it. And our country is all about free speech...right? Or should I stand in a Free Speech Zone before saying that?
Is the best we can find to bitch at being that some fat cop is going to get a fly a UAV to watch a large gathering rather then have to get up off his ass and watch it on foot? Have you ever been to any large gathering of people in the public space? There are always a pile of cops there to break up fights, keep people from pouring into the traffic, and keep the counter-protests for getting murdered/murdering someone. So who gives a flying fuck if instead of one more cop in a cruiser standing on the ground with a beating stick they have a UAV?
Because those UAVs have only one use - surveillance. Do you honestly believe that they are only going to use them for crowd control? It's too far and too fast down the "slippery slope" - almost unchecked at this point. Once they get permission to fly them it will be easy enough to widen the search pattern so