Tether all you want but after July 29, 2010 it is going to cost you big time in the USA on all new Android phones at Verizon.
I figure it is going to cost $960 a year (5 GB) for less data than I get with AT&T on the original 3G iPad for only $360 total.
You mean they're going to release a phone that doesn't have commercial lock-ins and a properly open source OS? Damn those commies to hell!
Seriously, I've been trying to find an open source *nix phone where you don't have to void the warranty to use it. If the Chinese make a decent one then I'll be buying it. Capitalism at its best people, Communists are allowed to play by Capitalist rules if they want to.:)
They even get to add a Chinese version of the new eFuse to keep you from messing with their new Smart Phones.
Google's app store concept is not like a real store where you find high quality merchandise regularly displayed along with some cut rate bargains brought in for sales. They run their Android shop like a rummage sale where it is mostly crap that you find for sale.
Once in a while you might spot something close to a gem, but that is rare. Android has been a big disappointment for me. IMHO with the new Android cheaply made tablets coming Android is going to get a reputation among the general public as another word for crap in our language.
I am not optimistic that anyone can prevent this at this point.:>(
Exactly who is this a wet blanket to. I have an iPad 3G and I don't care that it doesn't do flash. I just saw CBS is converting to HTML 5 so iPad users can directly access their services this fall without having to use their special app.
The point is if someone on the world wide web wants to access me on the iPad then they need to loose flash and update their web site. If they don't want to they are locked out from accessing me or anyone else with an Apple iPhone OS product. This looks like a win win situation. New high paying jobs are created for talented web designers graduating from college who know how to work without flash. iPad users are protected from the existing crap on the web. My family gets fantastic thin light weight mobile devices with reasonably long battery life that is more than an eight to ten hour day.
The shocking thing is that after many others see my iPad in use they want to go and grab one for themselves. I was in a careful of men yesterday and as we made calls everyone was passing around the iPad 3G. Apple doesn't have a magical sales force, their products sell themselves to people who can instantly grasp how they can benefit from using one. If some firm has a web site that doesn't work because it uses flash, I tell them to call or write the CEO and complain. In today's uncertain economy many complaints like that get quick attention.
Some Geeks lacking wisdom may want to hate Apple, but when the CEO asks them why HIS customers or clients can not access their online presence with the popular iPad they better not tell him it is because their web site can only use flash.
I concur. Article is incorrect and Slashdot just regurgitated it. At least the blog post by the original author is correct. A Windows trojan - nothing else.
/. got it wrong also in that the Trojan targeted anyone who used the windows version of iTunes, not an iPad. I am saddened that many in their hatred of all things Apple repeat nonsense instead of applying critical thinking.
BTW iTunes was updated Tuesday April 27 to iTunes 9.1.1
I strongly recommend an iPad to families and others trying to avoid most of the tremendous dangers of being connected via the Internet. Isn't there always a tremendous advantage to real as well as virtual walled gardens when it comes to safety? Those who are well off will confirm that any day.
"It doesn't matter that people have been making yellow snow cones for years, no one started eating them until Apple came along, and they were the ones who popularised it!"
Everybody has been using old PISS for years to make yellow snow cones. It was Apple who hit on the idea to use LEMONS and SUGAR instead of recycled PISS, so they made a fortune.
If it was anything other than Flash, and anyone other than Apple I'm sure more people would be outraged. To me this is more of Apple's and its control MO vs. the last decade's "rich internet architecture". Apple's doing what it always does, control its platform. Apple having their own way, and people with dollars not caring enough to get mad and go elsewhere.
I got the dollars and I vote for the Apple 'walled system'. They remove a lot of headaches for the 'connected' end user.
Android is a world of hurt for the end user. Why would any sane businessman vote with his budget for that?
I went to the AT&T outlet in which I had purchased the iPhone 3G, and the 3Gs had come out. It had been a 16Gb 3g, but the 3g was only available in 8Gb. So, to keep the same capacity I had to "upgrade" to a 16Gb 3Gs. AT&T charged me over $700 for the privilege of not downgrading.
So, yeah, maybe a few have been microwaved. Good.
You were high on drugs for sure. Cancel the old number $175. Buy new 3GS $200, activate on new contract $38. Four bills. I bet you old iPhone could still be sold for $200 or so in its broken condition to an exporter who will repair it and sell if with a four or five fold markup overseas.
I did and the ETF was only $115 So net cost to upgrade a broken 3G to a 3GS was less than $150 last year just after the 3GS came out.
The iPhone doesn't even need to be broken to sell it. Right now Craig's List Atlanta has offers of $300 and up for a used unbroken 3GS from the same exporters. Best bet is to sell one before every other Tom Dick and Harry when a new model is announced and walk in and buy a new one at the subsidized price they day they are released.
You are out of an iPhone for a couple of weeks, who cares for the latest and greatest. After the cost of insurance and deductible and the real possibility they may find an old model I think my experience is better than breaking a phone to steal from insurance. I can fix a iPhone in Atlanta GA for about what the insurance company charges in the first place if I don't want a new number and a new phone.
The current iteration of silverlight is not supported on PPC Mac OS X. Nor is it supported on any handheld phones. Especially not the iPhone. Google maps has native integration on the iPhone and works on PPC Mac OS X and linux.
Sure, it might be simpler to code Bing maps on your projects. But look out for when the client calls asking why it doesn't show up on her iPhone.
Seth
What makes you think this will not be in the June release for the iPhone if Apple drops Google?
Google shot themselves in the foot by launching Android and I suspect Apple will make them pay for it by banning them as a native app from the iPhone.
Anyone who makes a site completely out of Flash should be _shot_. Repeatedly. In the face and crotch. If I'm using flashblock, I should still be able to see more than a site's copyright notification. Using flash to design a site beyond video is nothing more than ostentatiousness. First you use a little flash for an animated menu. Then you do a little more for a slideshow on the front page. Soon you're serving *all* your content that way, your site takes 30-45 seconds or MORE to load on a broadband connection, and there's a 10 second delay to navigate to a new area on the site. I expect that shit on dial-up, not a 3mbps or more connection. If you can't make a good site without Flash, fucking hire a professional or STAY OFF THE NET.
BUMP BUMP
I wish that Slashdot had a mechanism to increase this beyond the level this post is at. Web programmers need to read and re-read this daily!
If you use flash as described on a commercial site as described above, I will not do business with you, PERIOD.
If you are a BANK or BROKERAGE you just shot yourself in the foot BIG TIME by using FLASH.
I would have answered YES to an android in December. Now, the answer would be NO. Not unless I can replace all the Google apps with something else.
The guy's a hypocrite who simply can't be trusted any more. I don't need my phone spying on me for some guy who thinks his personal info is privileged, and yours and mine isn't.
Some people have found out you can end up on some to the nations watch lists thanks to Google's relationship with HSA. Google apparently shares harvested information with Uncle Sam about what some user interests are based on their search profiles. Now these paranoid potential perps refuse to buy an Android that literally allows Google and the US Government to monitor them 24 hours a day.
For your typical WASP I think this is too paranoid and you should not have to worry about an Android phone or using Google products.
It is really just these unstable citizens and foreigners that have a problem with Google Android and HSA.
I think the idea of monitoring these unstable people is a great idea for our nations safety in the first place and we should use every legal tool available.
Thanks Google, Uncle Sam and our country owe you one.
Maybe Apple will finally get it through their heads and open up the iPhone for real development...
Oh gawd, when are people going to get it. Just because it's important to you does not mean it's important to 99.99% of the other people out there. Hell, I'm a geek and it isn't important to me. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the iPhone not being an open platform. Hell, a vast, significant majority of people don't even know what an open platform is...
I laughed my head off while watching Google's day in the sun reported in teh national news last night. Thirty seconds about Nexus and how it was going to give Apple's iPhone competition then three more minutes about the the Apple app store and the expected iSlate and how Apple was changing the market again. They were raving about a product not even officially announced from Apple for three minutes and how it would change the world.
Poor Google can not win this horse race if they can not even stay in the TV news for more than 30 seconds! TV commercials last longer than that.
If I was expecting to run out and buy an Android, I would wait after that news clip just to see what I could have had from Apple later this month.
This guy wasn't carrying anything that could blow up a plane, just set light to his trousers. It is not about reality, it is about hype.
WRONG
He was carrying 80 grams of PETN sewn into his under wear which should have exploded with enough force to drop the plane or at least put a pretty decent hole in the plane where he was sitting. If he was sitting over the near empty fuel tanks as it was near the end of the flight, I would go for drop the plane. That is probably why the Islamic terrorists choose the end of the flight in their plans.
The psychological side benefit for them may have been that it may have crashed on someones Christmas tree.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but submarines primarily serve in a deterrent capacity. Go read up on subs; the presence of some weapons is necessary to make potentially hostile nations think twice before doing something stupid.
It doesn't seem to have any affect on a rouge nation like Iran so your thinking is flawed.
Apple is one of the few companies that really gives UI's any thought
Actually, Microsoft has done quite a bit of UI research culminating in the Ribbon interface.
Microsoft's R&D is to buy the latest Apple product and Apple software. After having a meeting as to why they didn't think of that, they try to duplicate it using Microsoft tools. Several years later...
I'm an iPhone user, but I really hope this takes off. There are some interesting features in the Droid and competition is always a good thing. On top of that, separating the phone from the provider is a Win in my book. Yes, it will remove the overt control from the provider, but it will also have the effect of eliminating contract termination fees, and it could also potentially bring about better standards that ALL cell providers would be forced to follow as well as better pricing in the long run if they are no longer subsidizing the phones.
How did Verizon customers benefit from the 'Droid'? There is a Verizon $400 bad credit risk fee added to some first time 'Droid' buyers. Then there is the nation's highest ETF of $350 added to the Droid contract. The already high Droid monthly rates do not even include visual voice mail which is an extra fee. Yes the term - Version has a 'fee for that' which should be part of their truth in advertising! How has Android competition benefited a Verizon Droid customer? Lower fees?
How long will people have to wait for a benefit? For that matter how long will they have to wait to take an instant picture with their new cell phone camera, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds? Didn't anyone think to ask before buying one?
Wouldn't you rather YOU were in control of your own phone?
That's what the Nexus One is intended to bring about, it seems.
No one knows what's the true purpose of Nexus One at this given moment.
The Nexus one was released by Google so they would not have to pay real end of year cash bonuses to their loyal employees. More than a few of Google's employees are pissed at getting a Nexus One instead of some thing more desirable. My empathic side agrees with them that is sad but my sadistic side thinks Google's cost saving gift is funny.
Except Apple have a few per cent market share - so actually, by your logic, people prefer more open solutions.
Believe it or not, there's more (far more) to the mobile phone market than Apple and Google. Nokia, Samsung, LG, Motorola, RIM. But you wouldn't know it from reading Slashdot.
Did you not notice that Apple's iPhone has already grabbed 47% of Japan's smart-phone market? His original assumption is quite correct.
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Tether all you want but after July 29, 2010 it is going to cost you big time in the USA on all new Android phones at Verizon. I figure it is going to cost $960 a year (5 GB) for less data than I get with AT&T on the original 3G iPad for only $360 total.
You mean they're going to release a phone that doesn't have commercial lock-ins and a properly open source OS? Damn those commies to hell! Seriously, I've been trying to find an open source *nix phone where you don't have to void the warranty to use it. If the Chinese make a decent one then I'll be buying it. Capitalism at its best people, Communists are allowed to play by Capitalist rules if they want to. :)
They even get to add a Chinese version of the new eFuse to keep you from messing with their new Smart Phones.
Google's app store concept is not like a real store where you find high quality merchandise regularly displayed along with some cut rate bargains brought in for sales. They run their Android shop like a rummage sale where it is mostly crap that you find for sale. Once in a while you might spot something close to a gem, but that is rare. Android has been a big disappointment for me. IMHO with the new Android cheaply made tablets coming Android is going to get a reputation among the general public as another word for crap in our language. I am not optimistic that anyone can prevent this at this point. :>(
Exactly who is this a wet blanket to. I have an iPad 3G and I don't care that it doesn't do flash. I just saw CBS is converting to HTML 5 so iPad users can directly access their services this fall without having to use their special app.
The point is if someone on the world wide web wants to access me on the iPad then they need to loose flash and update their web site. If they don't want to they are locked out from accessing me or anyone else with an Apple iPhone OS product. This looks like a win win situation. New high paying jobs are created for talented web designers graduating from college who know how to work without flash. iPad users are protected from the existing crap on the web. My family gets fantastic thin light weight mobile devices with reasonably long battery life that is more than an eight to ten hour day.
The shocking thing is that after many others see my iPad in use they want to go and grab one for themselves. I was in a careful of men yesterday and as we made calls everyone was passing around the iPad 3G. Apple doesn't have a magical sales force, their products sell themselves to people who can instantly grasp how they can benefit from using one. If some firm has a web site that doesn't work because it uses flash, I tell them to call or write the CEO and complain. In today's uncertain economy many complaints like that get quick attention.
Some Geeks lacking wisdom may want to hate Apple, but when the CEO asks them why HIS customers or clients can not access their online presence with the popular iPad they better not tell him it is because their web site can only use flash.
They should just speed up the process and go to the nearest Gay Bar.
I concur. Article is incorrect and Slashdot just regurgitated it. At least the blog post by the original author is correct. A Windows trojan - nothing else.
/. got it wrong also in that the Trojan targeted anyone who used the windows version of iTunes, not an iPad. I am saddened that many in their hatred of all things Apple repeat nonsense instead of applying critical thinking. BTW iTunes was updated Tuesday April 27 to iTunes 9.1.1 I strongly recommend an iPad to families and others trying to avoid most of the tremendous dangers of being connected via the Internet. Isn't there always a tremendous advantage to real as well as virtual walled gardens when it comes to safety? Those who are well off will confirm that any day.
Don't the TV weather men in Saudi Arabia predict the future weather?
Everybody has been using old PISS for years to make yellow snow cones. It was Apple who hit on the idea to use LEMONS and SUGAR instead of recycled PISS, so they made a fortune.
If it was anything other than Flash, and anyone other than Apple I'm sure more people would be outraged. To me this is more of Apple's and its control MO vs. the last decade's "rich internet architecture". Apple's doing what it always does, control its platform. Apple having their own way, and people with dollars not caring enough to get mad and go elsewhere.
I got the dollars and I vote for the Apple 'walled system'. They remove a lot of headaches for the 'connected' end user.
Android is a world of hurt for the end user. Why would any sane businessman vote with his budget for that?
Nice idea, but you can run MAME on pretty much anything. Putting together a mini-MAME cabinet would run you less than the iPad to begin with.
Clever idea
Why hasn't anyone ever done it?
They probably tried to actually find something using Bing and decided they wouldn't have a case.
FUNNY Best /. of the day IMHO
I went to the AT&T outlet in which I had purchased the iPhone 3G, and the 3Gs had come out. It had been a 16Gb 3g, but the 3g was only available in 8Gb. So, to keep the same capacity I had to "upgrade" to a 16Gb 3Gs. AT&T charged me over $700 for the privilege of not downgrading.
So, yeah, maybe a few have been microwaved. Good.
You were high on drugs for sure. Cancel the old number $175. Buy new 3GS $200, activate on new contract $38. Four bills. I bet you old iPhone could still be sold for $200 or so in its broken condition to an exporter who will repair it and sell if with a four or five fold markup overseas.
I did and the ETF was only $115 So net cost to upgrade a broken 3G to a 3GS was less than $150 last year just after the 3GS came out.
The iPhone doesn't even need to be broken to sell it. Right now Craig's List Atlanta has offers of $300 and up for a used unbroken 3GS from the same exporters. Best bet is to sell one before every other Tom Dick and Harry when a new model is announced and walk in and buy a new one at the subsidized price they day they are released.
You are out of an iPhone for a couple of weeks, who cares for the latest and greatest. After the cost of insurance and deductible and the real possibility they may find an old model I think my experience is better than breaking a phone to steal from insurance. I can fix a iPhone in Atlanta GA for about what the insurance company charges in the first place if I don't want a new number and a new phone.
For Apple, who pioneers future tech, and their new iPad?
The current iteration of silverlight is not supported on PPC Mac OS X. Nor is it supported on any handheld phones. Especially not the iPhone. Google maps has native integration on the iPhone and works on PPC Mac OS X and linux. Sure, it might be simpler to code Bing maps on your projects. But look out for when the client calls asking why it doesn't show up on her iPhone. Seth
What makes you think this will not be in the June release for the iPhone if Apple drops Google?
Google shot themselves in the foot by launching Android and I suspect Apple will make them pay for it by banning them as a native app from the iPhone.
Anyone who makes a site completely out of Flash should be _shot_. Repeatedly. In the face and crotch. If I'm using flashblock, I should still be able to see more than a site's copyright notification. Using flash to design a site beyond video is nothing more than ostentatiousness. First you use a little flash for an animated menu. Then you do a little more for a slideshow on the front page. Soon you're serving *all* your content that way, your site takes 30-45 seconds or MORE to load on a broadband connection, and there's a 10 second delay to navigate to a new area on the site. I expect that shit on dial-up, not a 3mbps or more connection. If you can't make a good site without Flash, fucking hire a professional or STAY OFF THE NET.
BUMP BUMP
I wish that Slashdot had a mechanism to increase this beyond the level this post is at. Web programmers need to read and re-read this daily!
If you use flash as described on a commercial site as described above, I will not do business with you, PERIOD.
If you are a BANK or BROKERAGE you just shot yourself in the foot BIG TIME by using FLASH.
I would have answered YES to an android in December. Now, the answer would be NO. Not unless I can replace all the Google apps with something else.
The guy's a hypocrite who simply can't be trusted any more. I don't need my phone spying on me for some guy who thinks his personal info is privileged, and yours and mine isn't.
Some people have found out you can end up on some to the nations watch lists thanks to Google's relationship with HSA. Google apparently shares harvested information with Uncle Sam about what some user interests are based on their search profiles. Now these paranoid potential perps refuse to buy an Android that literally allows Google and the US Government to monitor them 24 hours a day.
For your typical WASP I think this is too paranoid and you should not have to worry about an Android phone or using Google products.
It is really just these unstable citizens and foreigners that have a problem with Google Android and HSA. I think the idea of monitoring these unstable people is a great idea for our nations safety in the first place and we should use every legal tool available.
Thanks Google, Uncle Sam and our country owe you one.
Maybe Apple will finally get it through their heads and open up the iPhone for real development...
Oh gawd, when are people going to get it. Just because it's important to you does not mean it's important to 99.99% of the other people out there. Hell, I'm a geek and it isn't important to me. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the iPhone not being an open platform. Hell, a vast, significant majority of people don't even know what an open platform is...
I laughed my head off while watching Google's day in the sun reported in teh national news last night. Thirty seconds about Nexus and how it was going to give Apple's iPhone competition then three more minutes about the the Apple app store and the expected iSlate and how Apple was changing the market again. They were raving about a product not even officially announced from Apple for three minutes and how it would change the world.
Poor Google can not win this horse race if they can not even stay in the TV news for more than 30 seconds! TV commercials last longer than that.
If I was expecting to run out and buy an Android, I would wait after that news clip just to see what I could have had from Apple later this month.
This guy wasn't carrying anything that could blow up a plane, just set light to his trousers. It is not about reality, it is about hype.
WRONG He was carrying 80 grams of PETN sewn into his under wear which should have exploded with enough force to drop the plane or at least put a pretty decent hole in the plane where he was sitting. If he was sitting over the near empty fuel tanks as it was near the end of the flight, I would go for drop the plane. That is probably why the Islamic terrorists choose the end of the flight in their plans. The psychological side benefit for them may have been that it may have crashed on someones Christmas tree.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but submarines primarily serve in a deterrent capacity. Go read up on subs; the presence of some weapons is necessary to make potentially hostile nations think twice before doing something stupid.
It doesn't seem to have any affect on a rouge nation like Iran so your thinking is flawed.
Maybe you can remind me. What Apple product is the Ribbon concept ripped-off from?
Or just maybe did, *gasp*, Microsoft conceive, test, and implement a completely original idea!? UNPOSSIBLE!
Obviously you do not have a Mac. What is at the bottom of most normal Macs which when animated as ribbon as you move around it with a mouse?
And don't even get me started about Windows.
Apple is one of the few companies that really gives UI's any thought
Actually, Microsoft has done quite a bit of UI research culminating in the Ribbon interface.
Microsoft's R&D is to buy the latest Apple product and Apple software. After having a meeting as to why they didn't think of that, they try to duplicate it using Microsoft tools. Several years later...
I expect to see a holographic keyboard as part of the iTablet interface. -see Apple patents.
I'm an iPhone user, but I really hope this takes off. There are some interesting features in the Droid and competition is always a good thing. On top of that, separating the phone from the provider is a Win in my book. Yes, it will remove the overt control from the provider, but it will also have the effect of eliminating contract termination fees, and it could also potentially bring about better standards that ALL cell providers would be forced to follow as well as better pricing in the long run if they are no longer subsidizing the phones.
How did Verizon customers benefit from the 'Droid'? There is a Verizon $400 bad credit risk fee added to some first time 'Droid' buyers. Then there is the nation's highest ETF of $350 added to the Droid contract. The already high Droid monthly rates do not even include visual voice mail which is an extra fee. Yes the term - Version has a 'fee for that' which should be part of their truth in advertising! How has Android competition benefited a Verizon Droid customer? Lower fees? How long will people have to wait for a benefit? For that matter how long will they have to wait to take an instant picture with their new cell phone camera, 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 60 seconds? Didn't anyone think to ask before buying one?
No one knows what's the true purpose of Nexus One at this given moment.
The Nexus one was released by Google so they would not have to pay real end of year cash bonuses to their loyal employees. More than a few of Google's employees are pissed at getting a Nexus One instead of some thing more desirable. My empathic side agrees with them that is sad but my sadistic side thinks Google's cost saving gift is funny.
Except Apple have a few per cent market share - so actually, by your logic, people prefer more open solutions.
Believe it or not, there's more (far more) to the mobile phone market than Apple and Google. Nokia, Samsung, LG, Motorola, RIM. But you wouldn't know it from reading Slashdot.
Did you not notice that Apple's iPhone has already grabbed 47% of Japan's smart-phone market? His original assumption is quite correct.